Damn. I used to live in Cleveland, Ohio for 4 years. I also used to ride the Rapid to North Coast on the Waterfront Line to school. I'm currently in NY right now.
East 105th-Quincy was initially renovated with a short platform while the awaited the replacement of the East 105th Street overpass in the late 2010s. The station has a full length platform now.
I've lived in the Cleveland area nearly all my life, and I remember in my childhood (the early 1970s, I think) a sign at Windermere station that basically said it took 36 minutes (I think) from Windermere to Hopkins Airport. Obviously it takes a lot longer now.
Cleveland's airport and Tower City Terminal in the downtown area, are the only areas where RTA trains are in the basement areas of these buildings. In truth, the rapid trains run along former tracks that were no longer used and the city of Cleveland cleverly utilized them and put up the electric wires, which are used to power the trains with the overhead system, instead of the electrified third rail system. Other cities should follow Cleveland's example!
What good are overhead wires when they're somehow more vulnerable than third rail for systems where trains never break 100 mph and have few, if any, grade crossings? Also, Cleveland's not the only place to use some former railroad RoW for a metro service. For example, New York did that with the Dyre Avenue Line (ex-New York, Westchester, and Boston) and the Rockaway Line (ex-Long Island Rail Road, not to be confused with the current LIRR Far Rockaway service).
@@sonicboy678 The problem about how dangerous the third rail system is that if for some reason someone falls on the rails, since it's a lifewire, will probably die. Not many people know this, but the overhead wire system most subways use was invented in madrid
@@oscarkronborg7176 I'm well aware of what can happen *if* someone ends up on the tracks. That's not an excuse for using something that doesn't really yield any potential gains in performance. The only reason I can think of is trying to be cheap about providing service (for a stretch, this runs with Blue and Green trains, which use entirely different vehicles and require separate platforms).
@@sonicboy678 that us a good point. But most of New York Subway is new track. I think his point is that other cities have not utilized their old rail lines to same extent Cleveland did .
ha J yep I’m pretty sure Cleveland, Chicago, and Minneapolis are the only two fully channelized rapid transit systems in the Midwest. St Louis is the only other city that even has transit at all, but is has major surface streetcar-style sections. Gotta at least have a median reservation to be a fully channelized operation, but still better than most Midwest cities which use busses
American cities tend to be very spread out, which greatly lowers the cost of homeownership and enables more Americans to own their home. While cities like NY, LA, Chicago have greater density, Houston (4th biggest city) has a density that is so much lower the cost of living is a fraction of what the other cities experience combined with a much higher home ownership rate. There are always trade offs - also because of less density it is more likely your job will not be located in the city center, but could be on a suburban campus somewhere where public rail transit from one suburb to another would be very difficult and costly as well as time consuming. You also need to remember that most Americans do indeed live in either the far suburbs or in rural areas - with a population spread out over such a huge expanse of country it becomes very difficult to offer rail transit to everyone, especially when car or air travel become quicker and cheaper options.
When I lived in Cleveland (early 70's), the trains were always packed with passengers. Of course, that was when there were jobs to go to....3 department stores and office bldgs. that were also occupied with many workers. Today, all these bldgs. are empty and who knows where all the jobs went. It's very simple....no jobs, no riders!
Yep. Now California (outside Silicon Valley) is turning into the new rust belt. High taxes=lost jobs and lost residents=falling ridership on BART, LA light rail, etc.
And, believe it or not, as late as 1960 Greater Cleveland rivaled Greater Toronto in population! Now Greater Toronto has 3x the population and the Toronto subway has more ridership than either the Chicago L or the DC Metro. Would Cleveland have become another Toronto had it never declined?
They have a Fuji diesel work car with an ice scraper pantograph that they roll out during ice storms, and some of the Breda LRVs have a secondary icecutter pantograph as well.
Would have been nice to seeing the above ground station before you got on the train... Do they allow bikes aboard? Or is a fold-up bike the only option?
66 is the Red Line trains 66R is "Red Line replacement" When tracks need to be closed, they will run street buses that run from one station to the next, stopping at all stations on the line but no other stops in between.
They have the same track gauge. The tracks have a third rail and overhead cattery wires, so as long as the carriages have the same "width" the can share the same tracks.
that's simple. On disembarking, they have low, and a corresponding higher platform. remember both utilize 600 volts to move the trains, and track width is the same. A 'monitor' called the tower can ''see'' the trains moving and with radio and schedule. It moves reasonably well sometimes reaching speed of at least 40 mph. On a test run I was on train that hit 60 plus. Idiot drivers were bold not knowing the track underneath was bad and due to be replaced.. 22 years I worked there as signal maintainer ....and so much cannot recognize. but glad to be gone. But it was good people mover intersecting with trains that crisscrossed the streets overhead.
On the shared stations, they do need to have two sets of platforms, as the Red Line uses high-level platforms while the doors on the Blue and Green line trains are set up for low-level boarding, but otherwise it's the same standard gauge tracks and 600V DC overhead electrification for both train types.
maybe after the WWII. It used to quit at 117th, but then extended to airport. Shaker line was independent once but now it's a quasi-county entity since 1975ish
I don't like the whole "Proof of payment" system. basically anyone can ride the line for free but if you're caught without a ticket you're in trouble. just install fareboxes on the vehicles der? which makes more sense, having throngs of people ride for free or spend the money to make money? I'm certain that only about 55% of passengers actually pay the fare.
Transit Police check to make sure you have paid your fare throughout the day and night. Yes, some people may get away with riding for free but eventually they'll get caught. Having the proof of payment system keeps the trains moving faster.
@@popocpd thank you! I don't like people gaming the system. How does the proof of payment system work there? I just assumed there were turnstiles but it's been awhile since I rode.
@@joshuaecht It depends on where you get on. If you get on downtown, you go thru the turnstiles. Otherwise, you buy your fare card at the machines of there's no attendant. But, getting caught riding without a fare card is a $75 fine. Transit police write you a ticket.
I understand that. When I go on these trips & ventures, I go at freewill. Unless train operators are alright with me recording from the cabin -- not a normal thing to ask someone on-duty nor a smart idea to do on a random day -- I'll never be able to record from the front perspective unless the trains have a specific design railfan window.
@@MJofLakelandX What do you mean by specific design railfan window? Might regulation prohibit filming? Anyhow, the forward-facing side view is refreshing; although admirable enough a view in itself, front end view is overly popular; I enjoy watching the passing cityscape 🍻
@@trainrover SEPTA's MFL train is an example of railfan-specific window. Their BSL train has one but faces to cabin where it's nothing but tinted darkness.
This incident reminds me of what type of people where dealing with in the world. "Jesus only ate some corn and helped somebody on Saturday (Sabbath day) and the pharisees sought to kill him." (Matthew 12:1-14)
The Municipal Court Judges gave me jurisdiction to be able to utilize the service, rail and bus since I'm disabled and a victim of Pigmentosa rednitisis. I was told by the courts when she arrives just catch another train or bus. She the RTA conductor puts on makeup and a wig with sunglasses making herself appear to be of a light skin complexion, let alone overall she wasn't able to be identified as the person in court. I had no prior relationships or siblings or romantic affairs with this lady. So it was difficult in order for me to identify her, when I boarded the train at Tower city and she didnt have her name tag in the slot above the driver seat, so passenger side knows the name of the conductor. Nonetheless, I was released on personal bond and the second violation came about weeks later. I boarded with a white man and being on the caboose their must of have been a shift change or the drivers intentionally switched trains just to have me arrested. I couldn't see what was going on, since I dosed off. My defense was for RTA to provide the video footage to the courts in which would show my innocence. Unfortunately my motion of discovery was denied. I told the Judge "I remember boarding the train in that I had jurisdiction to do so, but I remember I had a protection order, I then got up walked to the front and noticed it was her, I left the train." The Judge said "even if you would've left the scene after riding to the next stop I would've excused your behavior and even if you would've boarded the train and then recognizing it was her I would've excused it". And she found me guilty. that was trial by Judge with a public defender who wasn't properly prepared for the case nor gave a crap. And having her own prejudices about me being asleep on the train while being paid by the workforce that generates revenue from their tax dollars (SSD). The Judge on the other hand didn't understand obviously what I told her, because she contradicted herself by excusing my behavior if I would have left the train and that's what I did. it states in the protection order that I was not to "ride" petitioner train. And no ride took place. until another day when she identified (the rail conductor) to be different and another when they did a shift change. Being legally blind let alone a victim of voodoo or wicca is hectic. All to help "a bummer" save a of dollars wasn't worth it. That "hillari"- ously sells out your character to mail me a check. Vote for Donald Trump!
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Thanks for putting stops on screen scroll.
I've lived here my whole life and the only subway delay I can think of was while I had a summer job at the RNC
Damn. I used to live in Cleveland, Ohio for 4 years. I also used to ride the Rapid to North Coast on the Waterfront Line to school. I'm currently in NY right now.
East 105th-Quincy was initially renovated with a short platform while the awaited the replacement of the East 105th Street overpass in the late 2010s. The station has a full length platform now.
That station used to be a front door front train station. It's good that they extended the platform to be fit all of the train cars.
I didn't even know Cleveland had a subway/light rail.
+Missy Baker Yup. It's kind-of a weird rail system if you think about it. Both light rail and subway utilize the same tracks.
***** Not weird at all. I think LA has a hybrid system too.
Missy Baker Nah but it is diverse.
Of course we do cause trains R cool and cleveland is cool!
Lol
I've lived in the Cleveland area nearly all my life, and I remember in my childhood (the early 1970s, I think) a sign at Windermere station that basically said it took 36 minutes (I think) from Windermere to Hopkins Airport. Obviously it takes a lot longer now.
Cleveland's airport and Tower City Terminal in the downtown area, are the only areas where RTA trains are in the basement areas of these buildings. In truth, the rapid trains run along former tracks that were no longer used and the city of Cleveland cleverly utilized them and put up the electric wires, which are used to power the trains with the overhead system, instead of the electrified third rail system. Other cities should follow Cleveland's example!
What good are overhead wires when they're somehow more vulnerable than third rail for systems where trains never break 100 mph and have few, if any, grade crossings?
Also, Cleveland's not the only place to use some former railroad RoW for a metro service. For example, New York did that with the Dyre Avenue Line (ex-New York, Westchester, and Boston) and the Rockaway Line (ex-Long Island Rail Road, not to be confused with the current LIRR Far Rockaway service).
@@sonicboy678 The problem about how dangerous the third rail system is that if for some reason someone falls on the rails, since it's a lifewire, will probably die. Not many people know this, but the overhead wire system most subways use was invented in madrid
@@oscarkronborg7176 I'm well aware of what can happen *if* someone ends up on the tracks. That's not an excuse for using something that doesn't really yield any potential gains in performance. The only reason I can think of is trying to be cheap about providing service (for a stretch, this runs with Blue and Green trains, which use entirely different vehicles and require separate platforms).
Yes its actually a nice and clever system for a city that size.
@@sonicboy678 that us a good point. But most of New York Subway is new track. I think his point is that other cities have not utilized their old rail lines to same extent Cleveland did .
I always park at puritas and ride when I go to Cleveland
Cleveland could *really* use to learn what transit-oriented development is...
Cleveland has one of the best public transits in Midwest other than Chicago, and certainly the best one in Ohio.
ha J yep I’m pretty sure Cleveland, Chicago, and Minneapolis are the only two fully channelized rapid transit systems in the Midwest. St Louis is the only other city that even has transit at all, but is has major surface streetcar-style sections. Gotta at least have a median reservation to be a fully channelized operation, but still better than most Midwest cities which use busses
I went on the Chicago one, and it is not nearly as nice as Cleveland. Chicago's is a sardine can with very narrow doors.
@@TheLocalLt Metrolink does not have streetcar style sections, it runs fully on its own right of way that consists of old abandoned rail right of ways
mahzorimipod just looked it up, didn’t know that, edited my comment
what is "Ohio City?" . is that a park or business center or shopping center mall?
Why does all subway systems in America (except nyc) have low ridership
Because freedom, not having a car is considered being low class which I think is dumb
American cities tend to be very spread out, which greatly lowers the cost of homeownership and enables more Americans to own their home. While cities like NY, LA, Chicago have greater density, Houston (4th biggest city) has a density that is so much lower the cost of living is a fraction of what the other cities experience combined with a much higher home ownership rate. There are always trade offs - also because of less density it is more likely your job will not be located in the city center, but could be on a suburban campus somewhere where public rail transit from one suburb to another would be very difficult and costly as well as time consuming. You also need to remember that most Americans do indeed live in either the far suburbs or in rural areas - with a population spread out over such a huge expanse of country it becomes very difficult to offer rail transit to everyone, especially when car or air travel become quicker and cheaper options.
With only 2 subterranean stations, it's more light rail than subway, but technically those 2 small sections can be considered a subway.
Why does it look like board street line alitte
When I lived in Cleveland (early 70's), the trains were always packed with passengers. Of course, that was when there were jobs to go to....3 department stores and office bldgs. that were also occupied with many workers. Today, all these bldgs. are empty and who knows where all the jobs went. It's very simple....no jobs, no riders!
Yep. Now California (outside Silicon Valley) is turning into the new rust belt. High taxes=lost jobs and lost residents=falling ridership on BART, LA light rail, etc.
And, believe it or not, as late as 1960 Greater Cleveland rivaled Greater Toronto in population! Now Greater Toronto has 3x the population and the Toronto subway has more ridership than either the Chicago L or the DC Metro. Would Cleveland have become another Toronto had it never declined?
Thank you for sharing this. ♥
So 325 is a 1985
nice. and its power source is overhead and not third rail?......cool!!!!
It is until ice gets on the lines, which has happened, then the rapid is completely shut down.
They have a Fuji diesel work car with an ice scraper pantograph that they roll out during ice storms, and some of the Breda LRVs have a secondary icecutter pantograph as well.
That comes off as a way to keep people from walking over to a third rail to kill themselves, as there are grade crossings open to the public.
Tankaa Kumawani If the light rail didn’t share any tracks, then it might have used third rail
@@KronoGarrett Most of the rapid trains in Cleveland have retractable ice scrapers built on to their panto graphs.
Would have been nice to seeing the above ground station before you got on the train...
Do they allow bikes aboard? Or is a fold-up bike the only option?
Yes they do
Hey, they stole our red lines door chime.
How does Route 66R work? Is it a different route than the normal 66? I know it says overnight/occasional rail closures, but is the route new?
66 is the Red Line trains 66R is "Red Line replacement"
When tracks need to be closed, they will run street buses that run from one station to the next, stopping at all stations on the line but no other stops in between.
is that the NS (Ex-NKP) Line To our Left?
how does light rail and subway run on the same track?
They have the same track gauge. The tracks have a third rail and overhead cattery wires, so as long as the carriages have the same "width" the can share the same tracks.
that's simple. On disembarking, they have low, and a corresponding higher platform. remember both utilize 600 volts to move the trains, and track width is the same. A 'monitor' called the tower can ''see'' the trains moving and with radio and schedule. It moves reasonably well sometimes reaching speed of at least 40 mph. On a test run I was on train that hit 60 plus. Idiot drivers were bold not knowing the track underneath was bad and due to be replaced.. 22 years I worked there as signal maintainer ....and so much cannot recognize. but glad to be gone. But it was good people mover intersecting with trains that crisscrossed the streets overhead.
@@MJofLakelandX There is no third rail in Cleveland's system
On the shared stations, they do need to have two sets of platforms, as the Red Line uses high-level platforms while the doors on the Blue and Green line trains are set up for low-level boarding, but otherwise it's the same standard gauge tracks and 600V DC overhead electrification for both train types.
because they are both light rail, the only difference is one is built for high platforms
"What's a side platform?"
Seems in the past it actually did fill up. Today it looks empty.
During rush hour, their trains are full, and extra trains are added.
how old is Clevelands Subway?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Line_(Cleveland)
Since 1955.
Yosef Israel It was first opened in 1913.
maybe after the WWII. It used to quit at 117th, but then extended to airport. Shaker line was independent once but now it's a quasi-county entity since 1975ish
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Where are the people?
25:25 to 27:05 Ghosts !
There should be more passengers. Americans ride your trains
I don't like the whole "Proof of payment" system. basically anyone can ride the line for free but if you're caught without a ticket you're in trouble. just install fareboxes on the vehicles der? which makes more sense, having throngs of people ride for free or spend the money to make money? I'm certain that only about 55% of passengers actually pay the fare.
On the vehicles? That's even worse. Just reinstall the turnstiles.
Transit Police check to make sure you have paid your fare throughout the day and night. Yes, some people may get away with riding for free but eventually they'll get caught. Having the proof of payment system keeps the trains moving faster.
@@popocpd thank you! I don't like people gaming the system. How does the proof of payment system work there? I just assumed there were turnstiles but it's been awhile since I rode.
@@joshuaecht It depends on where you get on. If you get on downtown, you go thru the turnstiles. Otherwise, you buy your fare card at the machines of there's no attendant. But, getting caught riding without a fare card is a $75 fine. Transit police write you a ticket.
Pig-men-to-say "red-is-nati"
sorry but we prefer a rail fan window foward view video !!!
I understand that. When I go on these trips & ventures, I go at freewill. Unless train operators are alright with me recording from the cabin -- not a normal thing to ask someone on-duty nor a smart idea to do on a random day -- I'll never be able to record from the front perspective unless the trains have a specific design railfan window.
@@MJofLakelandX What do you mean by specific design railfan window? Might regulation prohibit filming? Anyhow, the forward-facing side view is refreshing; although admirable enough a view in itself, front end view is overly popular; I enjoy watching the passing cityscape 🍻
@@trainrover SEPTA's MFL train is an example of railfan-specific window. Their BSL train has one but faces to cabin where it's nothing but tinted darkness.
This incident reminds me of what type of people where dealing with in the world.
"Jesus only ate some corn and helped somebody on Saturday (Sabbath day) and the pharisees sought to kill him." (Matthew 12:1-14)
The Municipal Court Judges gave me jurisdiction to be able to utilize the service, rail and bus since I'm disabled and a victim of Pigmentosa rednitisis. I was told by the courts when she arrives just catch another train or bus. She the RTA conductor puts on makeup and a wig with sunglasses making herself appear to be of a light skin complexion, let alone overall she wasn't able to be identified as the person in court. I had no prior relationships or siblings or romantic affairs with this lady. So it was difficult in order for me to identify her, when I boarded the train at Tower city and she didnt have her name tag in the slot above the driver seat, so passenger side knows the name of the conductor. Nonetheless, I was released on personal bond and the second violation came about weeks later. I boarded with a white man and being on the caboose their must of have been a shift change or the drivers intentionally switched trains just to have me arrested. I couldn't see what was going on, since I dosed off. My defense was for RTA to provide the video footage to the courts in which would show my innocence. Unfortunately my motion of discovery was denied. I told the Judge "I remember boarding the train in that I had jurisdiction to do so, but I remember I had a protection order, I then got up walked to the front and noticed it was her, I left the train." The Judge said "even if you would've left the scene after riding to the next stop I would've excused your behavior and even if you would've boarded the train and then recognizing it was her I would've excused it". And she found me guilty. that was trial by Judge with a public defender who wasn't properly prepared for the case nor gave a crap. And having her own prejudices about me being asleep on the train while being paid by the workforce that generates revenue from their tax dollars (SSD). The Judge on the other hand didn't understand obviously what I told her, because she contradicted herself by excusing my behavior if I would have left the train and that's what I did. it states in the protection order that I was not to "ride" petitioner train. And no ride took place. until another day when she identified (the rail conductor) to be different and another when they did a shift change. Being legally blind let alone a victim of voodoo or wicca is hectic. All to help "a bummer" save a of dollars wasn't worth it. That "hillari"- ously sells out your character to mail me a check.
Vote for Donald Trump!
2 years in prison just for falling asleep. Yet homosexuals can get married. The last time I remember your honor 1+1=(Adam & Eve).
You're not making sense.
you deserve more years in prison