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This is The Most Realistic Sim Racing Experience You Can Have
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
- Assetto Corsa Competizione and rFactor 2 are the two most realistic GT racing simulators on the consumer market. In a return to this channel's roots, we compare them side-by-side, using the highest quality and most recent content available for both titles. Both provide the best GT3 experience available on the market - but which is right for you?
0:00 Intro
3:59 Driving Comparison
13:03 Pros & Cons
13:43 rFactor 2 Pros
14:55 rFactor 2 Cons
17:22 Assetto Corsa Competizione Pros
22:44 Assetto Corsa Competizione Cons
24:19 Conclusion
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I only just discovered that you work as a producer/engineer and have mixed & mastered albums of some of my favorite bands. Sick!
Wtf I just realised this is the same Ermin I saw on coffee with ola like a year ago, mind fucking blown. How can one man be so talented
Watching Coffee with OLA right now, Mind blown...
Yes! I had a very long "wait, what?!" moment when Coffee with Ola showed up for me in the recommendation sidebar.
His Systematic Guide To Mixing is such a great tool for any mixer's arsenal!
This is exactly how I felt but in reverse when I saw he did sim racing on YT. I knew of him as an engineer/producer for a long while before stumbling on this channel in my recommended a couple months ago. Saw the name on the channel like wait a second...
Also, just wanted to say that there is in fact a MoTec plugin for rF2 that records all the data. We competition guys (lol) use it literally all the time. Super useful.
May be your best video yet. Excellent, excellent video!! Thanks for all the specific detail and comparison Ermin!!
Excellent comparison, I completely agree on pretty much all these points & I'm pleased to own both these SIMs....I hope AMS2 adds some GT3 cars soon so we can have a third quality SIM to compare.
AMS2 gt3 cars coming this weekend!
Well we bouncy gt3 cars in ams2
1:45 I hear your critique about rF2's FFB being "too detailed" on higher end hardware, but having had both the DD1 and the SC2 Pro, I can say this is only a problem with the Fanatec unit. Specifically, a problem with the lack of filters/options available. I remember the kerbs specifically feeling really sharp on the DD1. The SC2 feels wonderful.
This is why I want to sell my DD1 for a simucube.
Agreed, owning a DD2 and a SC2 Pro...filter/options can actually used very effectively in SC2 Pro... DD2 settings do not help much. I can set up the SC2 Pro in rfactor2 and having a mind-blowing driving experience (not with all cars though, lot of content crap on rf2!).
ACC btw. sucks so bad regarding FFB, there is nothing to save there with any wheelbase or settings. I assume the physic engine is pretty good now, but the FFB is nothing like real car feels in any situation. No planted feel, no nimbleness... it is more like driving a buggy on a funfair autodrome.
@@chuckystang DO IT. I took the leap over the summer and don't regret a single thing. The SC2 ecosystem is incredible. Nothing but quality.
@@iseeq72 Hm, I agree but I don't think ACC feels as bad as you say haha. Maybe I'll have to try sharing my ACC true drive settings with you?
@@atIas-hugged The wheel rims scares me. Already own 2 fanatec rims and they are much more expensive and complex it seems with simucube...
I would add that in ACC each car feels different, drive different, each car has its strengths and weaknesses. Go to Aston Martin GT3 or McLaren 720S GT3. They couldn't be more different.
That's true for both titles
all sims are that way
Honestly this is one of your best videos ever, usually i watch youtube videos on my secondary screen while browsing internet on the other but throughout this video i was watching closely, i have to admit i havent seen all of your videos but most of them. I know that you are extremely passionate about rf2 and im happy to hear that you also acknowledge its flaws as well. I consider myself acc fanboy but i think at degree as you are rf2 fanboy and i know that acc is not perfect but damn its probably the best gt3/gt4 simulator package on the market right now. What i wish for acc is to improve online experience even further as expanded online daily events, more scheduled races. Besides muiltiplayer i would also like to see contact model to be improved as well, even for mutliplayer and single player currently its functional but barely, raceroom contact between cars is the best especially online and it would be perfect if kunos could nail that one as well as raceroom did.
Also I would like to remind that kunos could do whole TC/TCR/TCX/TCA classes and few cup cars as M240iR and MX5 cup. As for tracks they have big selection as well like SRO asia/america regions and even crazy tracks as Macau. I know they probably need to do all the paper work and arrangements to be able to produce more licensed content such as mentioned earlier but at least its completely possible.
Remember as well that ACC attempts to simulate the dual traction control system (TC + TC cut) which can be controlled where as rF2 does not, at least for now. Not sure if ACC has it fully accurate but it's nevertheless simulated there.
yes, it should be fully simulated, even its bugs, see th-cam.com/video/PFxIZ-9Awj4/w-d-xo.html
@@pemigris fascinating stuff, thanks for the tip, Aris' channel is really excellent 😉
What is the difference, I really dont understand
@@chuckystang TC1 is WHEN tc comes in, TC2 is HOW MUCH the tc cuts. Basically.
@@chuckystang TC Slip controls how much the tyres can slip until TC kicks in, and TC Cut controls the actual intensity of TC when it kicks in. That is, how much power from the engine gets "cut" to prevent the tyre slip.
Great video :D Really informative and enjoyable. Keep it up Ermin!!
18:06 It's Radillon, actually
It's Raidillon actually...
Pedantic but true.
@@1951split LOL, more pedantic, still true...
you're not a fanboy.. just passionate
You need to be passionate to wait 5 minutes plus to load a track off a NVME M.2 drive on rfactor 2.. unbelievably bad in that area :p
Once I got the graphics in ACC ironed out I can’t stop playing this game. I have Assetto Corsa and Iracing. Not going back to either.
Ermin! Youve made me pull the trigger! Ive bought RFactor2 (and ye... it is 50% steam discount...)
rFactor needs to be rebult tbh. They're trying to fill holes on a moving train.
I've driven the other sims and own most except for iRacing & ACC (although I might get it now they've polished it) and they all have something to offer. For example driving ACC the sound and visuals are really great, Ams2 can bring a grin to your face with its inherently fun feel (until the AI wipes it right off) rF2 lacks in audio and visual fidelity but it drives like no other, the FFB and that tire superlative tire model, whatever else I drive I always find myself thinking "this would be better in rF2" that said, I haven't tried ACC recently and I expect it's much better now with the 5 point tire model plus general polish. Unless you want to play MP, rF2 with all it's compromises is still the stand out sim, until someone figures out how to shoehorn that tire model and FFB into a sim that looks and sounds like ACC. I had high hopes for Ams2 but...
Nahh I would argue they should put a lot of effort in it and refine it cause it can do so much better if it was refined
@@oktc68 what do you think, if they put the Tiremodel into ACC? It seems that the only thing that makes rFactor 2 better is just the tire Model.
But there is a second go for for rFactor 2 and that are the mods. you can mod rFactor2 and ACC not, just only AC but how big is the difference beetwen AC and ACC
I feel ACC gives me the most satisfaction when I get a good lap in.
Great video, but I think you forgot one of the most important pro’s of rF2, especially when you compare it with ACC, and that is the mod support and also the limited number of (official) tracks in ACC. ACC is only GT3/4 on a limited number of tracks, while in rF2 the diversity in cars and tracks is much much bigger.
this has nothing to do with the subject matter of the video, he is judging realism, not quantity of content.
Does anyone have info on those "exploits" in rfactor 2 that Ermin is talking about? I'm really interested in it for a possible future video!
Ah the swaybar thing he mentions later in the video I guess, are there any more? :p
Cranked ABS & very low TC (since these systems aren't simulated very realistically). Rear wing as low as possible (so car is sliding around every corner), balanced by nearly detaching the rear sway bar. Tyre pressures at minimum, and camber as low as you can have it. Minimum ride height, since bottoming out isn't really a problem.
@@Ermz Great insight thank you! Love the videos btw!
@@Ermz Well, I raced at Sebring in Split 1 of GT Challenge and I was one of not many people who didn't choose a Corvette. I raced in a Ferrari and I did notice bottoming on the kerbs at T14, T15 and T16 (although we all did abuse those kerbs a lot), so I actually ran a cm higher ride height.
@@Ermz A cool video idea I know I would be very interested in, take a few GT3 cars with default setup around say Portland being a short track. Then apply the more ‘exploited’ areas of setup to them and see what the real difference is. Hey, look at it this way, another vid featuring the 488 without it being exclusive ;) Even a part 2 could be what else you would change with ur amazing setup guidance. Sorry, just hate the fact I’ve no idea on car setups since I love rF2. love all ur vids though man x
GREAT video my man
Ah, nooo I don't want to deal with it. I want my - ( fill in the blanks). Very good video my friend. Could have done with a additional car set - compair between cars + - on track. I.e. neuanses.
great video, brother. appreciate all the time that goes into these.
It's interesting that you kept pointing out the not been able to play with the car the limit in ACC as that is the main thing Nicki Thiim points out that he loves about the sim is that you can and how well Kunos have done it. Maybe that's the just his real life racing coming out so he knows what the car should do so he's not really using the feel of the sim like us mere plebs
I've got a reasonable amount of real life track time and ACC is the closest I've driven. I haven't driven RF2 for a long time though so I should dig it out and give it another try. ACC's car recovery on the limit is very well done as is pushing it on cornering.
This is how a comparison should be done. This is how you do it! Excellent work 🔥🔥🔥
An awesome well put together piece! Love both sims for all the things you mention!! When I have guests round I show the ACC cause.. it’s so damn good looking! Personally I’m all over RF2 for the courses available to me in the UK.. top job sir! You smashed it out the park again! Maybe some Audi R8 on the silverstone circuit soon?? (Rf2?) please ???
I can only Drive ACC , the Sound is what Made me Love the Game
Great delivery.....compare n contrast....at its best💯
Smashing video, loved the platform pro and con part, that in itself could be a yearly thing for multiple platforms showing the pros and cons in your views as certain platforms evolve and change over time.
Annnnnd is there a BENTLEY similar video coming since that's also now doable between these two platforms?
damn! lots of effort for this video? You have earned my sub
As soon as you said ACC doesn’t have the full Nurburgring, I knew it wasn’t for me. I love that track
Very comprehensive video, a lot of effort here, so very nice, and thanks for the hard work. Great video
for most sim racers to enjoy, but the facts and conclusion should be a bit different for others since
we don't know what exact configuration each car has, and as we know, a litte tweak here and there
can have a big impact on the cars behaviour.
Excellent video, as per normal.
These are my two favourite sims. I'm using a T300rs with the Ferrari rim and T3PA pro pedals.
I'm a huge RF2 critic.
I don't like the interface, even the beta u.i. is absolutely awful, forcing you to trawl through loads of stuff to find the content you need, particularly if you have a lot of mods installed.
Mods are both a strength and weakness, with some mods being really good and others being awful.
The price of official content is far too high (imho) and is nearing iRenting levels on some occasions, yet despite all of this, when I load up Nords with the Ferrari or Vantage (or even the BMW) gte's I'm completely blown away.
It feels fantastic and I never get the feeling that I've been unfairly penalised when I lose control (which is often) lol.
S-l-o-w loading, even from a solid state drive.
I just wish they'd get their arses (I'm English, not American) in gear and get this terrible mess of a U.I. sorted out. After all, they've had long enough!
ACC just does everything really well.
It drives fantastic and I love the GT3 and GT4 classes, they are my favourites (along with GTE).
Graphically, it blows RF2 out of the water BUT you need a decently specced pc to see it in all it's beauty.
I'm like plenty of others and would kill to get a copy of the Nords for this sim and that's where it's biggest weakness lies.
As it's official content only I just can't see any of the classic tracks coming.
Driving wise I don't think it feels quite as good as RF2 but it's very close.
Add on content is very reasonably priced!
Super fast loading meaning you're up and running in next to no time.
To sum up, both awesome feeling sims but it's far easier to load up acc than RF2
Such a good review and video. You are talkative to the point it's a pleasure to listen regardless the content.
@Ermin have you tried the Porsche Gte in Race room on the Nurburgring 24? At first I had issues with Raceroom FFB but a few settings tweeks and some FFB folder settings in My Docs it feels fantastic on my DD1. The Porsche GTE is by far my favourite😍, the 2020 DTMs are also great. Would be great to hear your opinion of this sometimes overlooked sim. If you need any FFB help let me know.
Hey Ermin, I just noticed today Fanatec had come out with an even newer firmware for their wheelbases (V380). I updated to it and tested ACC and it was significantly better to me than the last one. Would love to hear your thoughts!
I played a lot of GT Legends and GTR2 and they where incredible good sim racers that where just toped from rFactor. at this time rFactor where the king and Assetto Corsa was the spiritual succecor of the GTR2 series while SimBim where a little gone wired ways and made RaceRoom based on Race07 what had a descent feel, but some people saied, that they where a little bit too arcady for a sim.
I am glad, that sim racing is going in a direction that is quite nice and i hope that kudos split AC in 2 series, ACC as the Pro GT series and AC as modable and more for everythingelse solution, if it is understandable what i meant.
I've not finished the video yet, but I didn't want to get distracted and forget to post. How can you make a meaningful comparison between the two when using completely different FOV (as well as additional head movement settings in ACC)?
In my experience, changing the FOV even within the same game can alter my perception of how a car handles and that in turn affects how I drive. For example, when using a lower FOV I tend to make more micro-adjustments with the steering wheel because subtle track details are more obvious and the affect of those micro-adjustments are more pronounced. On the other hand, when using a wider FOV, I tend to steer more smoothly as I can see the overall line through the corner more clearly and when I make corrections I place more emphasis on the throttle than on steering.
Amen on the sounds. Codemasters does a lot wrong or scummy, but the sound is AAA
You need Raceroom. King of immersive sound.
@@1000sofusernames i have raceroom, its good, but it is far from the king. If you seriously think that and not just regurgitate what others say, you have no idea what good sound is.
Rf2 or AC sounds are pretty much equal to GP Legends. ACC is better, but this is a huge gap in racing games.
Great analysis Ermin, thank you.
Seriouse question, how would simracers with no real life racing experience would actually know what is a realistic driving experience ?
I drive a sports car that could be used in GT4 level competition. Too bad Dodge doesn't race
By comparing the it with the daily drive/thrash car when being a hoon.
I had the same question. He often says, "that's not realistic", or " car wouldn't do that" or "closer to real life", but of course he has no idea. For that, watch Dave Perel, who has nothing to do with RF2, and is a real GT3 driver and sim racer.
18:34 RaceRoom sounds aren't too shabby either.
AMS2, rFactor 2 and ACC have some of the most incredible car sounds in simracing.
You hear that, iRacing?
car sounds are only as good as your speakers are,
and on a PC sound is bad by definition, through cheips like realtek.
You can do a lot to change the sound settings by sound enhancers like FXSound,
just boost some frequencies in the equalizer and save the sound setting to a name like iRacing, or whatever.
that wmmt bgm tho
What you said about respective strengths and weaknesses of each sim could also be said about different cars within the games. I, too, run the 488 MUCH more than any other car. You learn it's flight envelope, and lap times drop.
Funnily enough I upgraded to a DD1 right around the same time you did and had a similar revelation with ACC. With my old logitech wheel I just didn't get much feeling for ACC, with the new wheel dare I say ACC FFB feels pretty good now. It's completely changed my opinion of ACC. Rf2 is still my go to sim but I'm playing more ACC than ever lately, partially due to rf2s god awful AI if I'm being honest.
I don't like the understeer effects in ACC of the wheel going light. I wish you could turn it off like in AC
Wangan Midnight music. Noice!
The 911 Cup car is neither a GT3 nor a GT4 and is a lot of fun to drive, second only (IMO) to rF2's 911 Cup car. You should do a video just on this car - it's epic (IRL too). Nice video! I find myself switching back and forth between the two games/sims to appreciate the differences. The Frankenstein rF2 tyre + ACC graphics, interiors and online play, with some AMS physics mixed in would be just amazing.
You forgot the most important 😀: sound. Those who think FFB is important (all of us?), try to drive 1. Without FFB 2. Without sound
@@jopereirapt I once played ACC without sound to see how loud my wheel and pedals are. It was somehow playable, but boring.
Kunos has done a tremendous job in ACC's sounds. Especially in VR, when your head movements alter the sounds you hear, it is so incredibly immersive. Sitting in the car in the starting grid and hearing the engines around me firing up always gives me goosebumps.
@@jopereirapt Haha yeah without a doubt the ACC sound! :))
If only rF2 had a tire model that took into account track temperature... It's great for what it is at one static temperature but that's not really all that realistic.
Superb video 👌
"For every thousand dollars I've invested in my simrig, the enjoyment of my [$40 software purchase] went up proportionally." Sounds like money well spent? I guess that's why I uninstalled ACC, I figured my money would be better spent racing in SCCA than buying gaming controllers. Oddly, my wife supports it more too...
Comparing the price of actual seat time on the track and a few grand in top of the line sim gear is ridiculous.
@@thegoalie5233 Personally, I think that the fact the two numbers are comparable is ridiculous. The upgrade in enjoyment from not racing to racing for $2000 is a huge jump for me. Whereas the marginal enjoyment gained from, say, a $300 TM TX wheel to a $2000 DD wheel, or from my used smartphone SimDashboard setup to a $900 AIM Sim screen, is not as great. (An upgrade, absolutely) So money spent for marginal excess utility like that is ridiculous to me. Of course, some people have oodles of cash to spend. It would strike me as odd if they didn't spend a little on real racing. And this all started with the YT'er's seemingly silly comment that he appreciates a $40 piece of software more and more with each THOUSAND he spends on his rig. If he were using $400 music software and adding a $100 midi controller totally unlocked a new experience, that seems rational. But spending thousands to unlock the true potential of a small purchase is funny to me.
@@ryansoucyracing 2000$ for racing? What are you racing bicycles? I can't even get tyres, brakes and petrol for that amount of money.
@@thegoalie5233 fair enough. I rent a Formula vee. There are two shops I use, the cheaper one is a lot cheaper than 2000. Great club racing in my region. Grids regularly 20+ cars. Google 'Figure It Out FV Palmer' for the last vid I made. I'm overdue for another one.
Ι totally agree with your way of thinking but is not always the case... for my sports bike a track Day cost me 700€-800€ +the transport to the track and overnight sleep total 1500€ for one day... im not say about α sportcar 😒😒
And you pray not to have an accident.. the money that you end up spending is a lot.. the simracing offers you the similar filling aspesially when you racing others....yes i like the real one and im doing it when i can ... but i like also to race every day with professional sport cars
without the need of selling a house..And only simracing can give you this....
Ermin i think you covered it nicely ... i have to say i think ACC is a very polished complete game ,
but after not playing RF2 for nearly a year , the drive feel in RF2 just feels 'real' to me.
just wish certain graphic parts would be made to look better[cars at night].
24:00 I'm excited for the british GT pack, but I am so badly hoping for a GTWC America DLC eventually! Road America. Road Atlanta and CTMP are some of my favourite tracks in AC1.
Same, at one point I thought an America DLC was a sure thing ....not so sure anymore though, I I'm hoping it happens. ACC with VIR is my dream.
ACC has a small team of developers. It takes time, but If they race there IRL, they will add the DLC.
@@normand5847 well I don't think I agree with that. Their statement on the forum was essentially "ACC is the GTWC Europe 2018-2019 season game, there is no guarantee of any further content after the British GT track pack." So I'm not holding my breath on anything additional.
Also I don't really consider them a "small team" in the sim racing world. They have more resources than S397, Sector3 and Reiza
@@Jt7166 ACC is a small niche within a niche. Their team is small in the gaming world. I heard a developer say they have eleven people. I will not believe that eleven people invested a few years of their lives working on ACC, then work hard getting it to console, just to walk away from the title when next gen is coming out.
@@Jt7166 The 2020 season DLC is coming this month.
Looking forward to how AMS will handle GT3 cars.
AMS2 ?
My guess is: wierdly - the way it handles all other cars 😂
OugaBoogaShockwave yea
Ermin Hamidovic I’ve never been in any of these race cars in real life so I can only go by my subjective experiences having driven my Type R. I find the feeling in AMS2 close to my real world experience but then again I never took my car to its absolute limit. In any event let’s hear ur reasoning behind ur statement.
@@RichAbe23 AMS2 is oddly loose on exit, understeery mid corner (that can be fixed by adding more lock :D), and extremely grippy when initially turning in to the corner. The suspension feels oddly smooth&bouncy, and the car recovers from a slide in a very odd way - trying to drift like you would in any other sim will send you snap oversteering the other way all the time.
among other things :)
Sounds like a fair reasonable description of each sim although i have never driven rf2. The trouble with rf2 is a racing game or sim is just that racing i.e. ( other people).
Doesn't matter if it's Mario Kart or iracing most people just want to jump in and drive. And if you don't have the player's their then nor shall i.
Not according to the countless sim racers on tiktok with their g29 wheels and drifting ferraris across fields thinking it's an exact copy of real life
Very informative and helpful video!
I agree with all of that, pretty much. Must admit I struggle with ACC after a lot of rFactor, because the cars feel slow and lumbering comparatively. A lot less fun to drive. But then the ACC sound and graphics and multiplayer and driving ability ratings and all the rest of it are just too good to ignore.
RaceRoom Racing Experience only!❤️❤️❤️
Nice one Ermin!
How fucking underrated you are.
Love the videos but multiplayer is all I care about and nobody can touch iRacing at this point,
Yeah both of these sims drive really well, no one could dispute that. I am the same as you, I love competition against humans. Iracing is really the only complete sim for multiplayer. I just check iSchedule, jump in, it works, it logs everything.
@@jenscee7679 exactly. Wish others would follow suite
I just bought csl elite wheelbase (licensed for ps4), formula v2 and bmw gt2 steering wheels, ClubSport v3 pedals to my new next level racing f-gt lite folding chair. I'm more like a console gamer but I'd like to move on pc sims. PS4 version of ACC is good, but I'd like play something more realistic but I don't know where start. Iracing? Rfactor 2? Race room? Pc version of ACC? Which is your recommendation for the new comers?
Hey, what music is used for soundtrack at the beginning of this video ?
Why the need for such different FOV from sim to sim?
The ACC con about the tires, i think they will improve a bit more but not that much more thatn it is now since Kunos is a small company and they already talked about AC2... once they start workling on AC2 they will ditch ACC like they did with AC1, unfortunately..
I have been sim racing since Geoff Crammonds Formula One Grand Prix ( 1991 ) and ALL of these sims are bloody brilliant . You spoiled entitled brats moaning about trees in the wrong place and textures being slightly off . Go play 90`s sims for 5 minutes and you`ll soon be back rejoicing at the marvel that sim racing is today . Whingers and fanboys SHUT UP ! Go start up your favourite sim , put a big grin on your face and enjoy the drive . P.S. And its only going to get better . See you out there .
GT bores me so damn much, I just don't care anymore. I love(d) PC2 road cars. Closer racing, wide availability of usable circuits and just more fun.
Get the original Assetto Corsa instead. Force Feedback on PC2 is awful compared to AC and AC has way better mod support and online functionality.
At this point I think you should add a disclaimer to your videos related to rfactor for the obvious reason 💃
Being disabled now and not being able to drive anymore. ACC has literally helped save my life. The feeling is amazing. The immersion is out of this world Next step is a wheel. I use a controller butt can only imagine the feeling once i get a wheel.
could you point a link to Heusinkvelds playthrough on ACC, always interesting what he has to say.
I was one of the first to prepay for ACC, and it is such a huge disappointment.
The cars feel like trucks, the whole game speed feels like slowed down to a slowmotion,
which means you cannot drive on speed sensation, because it is completely wrong,
you need reference points on the track to brake, even when you are 20% below the speed limit.
Do I need a reference point when I drive my car in real life ?
No.
I see you use soundtrack from WMMT series 😂👍🏼 forgot the title though..
Nice Ace Combat music :)
Excellent work
rfactor is just too amazing tbh. Haven't tried acc lately though, been a few months, I should try it again soon. But acc is more limited. Although hate rfactors loading times
Does the sense of speed in RFactor2 look really bad (slow) to anybody else?
Every video I watch of it it looks like the cars driving so slow
Can you share your simcube and in game wheel setup for acc? I have a DD but feel acc too loose... rf2 and ams2 are so much better feeling
Both great sims with amazing physics . RF2 tyres are the most realistic by only a small margin over ACC and AC because like you said you can lean on the tyres like a real slick and you don't have to be so gentle with inputs ..just like real slicks !. BUT!....RF2 sounds are to be honest terrible..ACC have absolutely nailed the sound of racing a car , it should be raw and harsh.
For me ACC all the way at the moment as it is a more complete package.
But I totally agree the RF2 tyre model is amazing 👏
Hi some image looks like camera is on the right hand size of the dashboard (the one that you cant see steering wheel). Which game is that and what view or any setting need to do? I live in right hand drive country and if the view is on the right it feel more realic to me.
I have trouble hearing the brakes lock in ACC, maybe it's just that I'm coming from AC where it was much louder. Also having trouble getting to grips with the ABS in ACC.
But turning off the ABS entirely is horrible as well.
Brake and tire sounds are definitely louder in the OG AC. ABS off isn't that bad with load cell pedals, but not much point in turning it off when it's there for you to use.
How about comparison with iracing and rfactor 2 and acc
Iracing isn't even in the race anymore
AC is still best for me. RF2 is good, love the ffb but lack cars to make up races for the same type of cars. ACC is the best for GT3 but it gets boring doing the same tracks all the time, plus VR ran better in beta. AC combines both and still looks good esp with SOL.
what is that selection of trance music you have here! I would appreciate it!!
You’re a poet. Beautiful
Just picked up ACC on Steam for 13 quid. Bargain!
Just spent $2k on a wheel setup only to immediately have it called “cheap” lol
What lap times is everyone running? Im down to 1.56 with the ferrari on the nurb. Kind of stuck here. Ai doing low 51s..
Nice video. Does ACC have variable/dynamic weather and how does it play on a xbox controller? cheers
It does. Weather is quite customizable and you can adjust quite a few variables, including how variable you want the variability to be lol. You can also adjust track conditions, as well as time of day and time progression
@@EJTrading01 variable variability, nice.
I can only just say that haha
Really wish The Ring was in it.
Hi Ermin, I am a noob (sim and in real life driving), so I struggle with this question in terms of evaluating the driving model/experience of sims.
Would the theoretical "perfect" most realistic sim be fun? Would it be considered the best? And finally, and this may be more straight-forward, would it be "easier" to drive than the best sims today? And if so, is that better?
I would say "it depends", but I tend towards "the more realistic, the more fun". Of course, realistic physics include uncomfortable moments like Ermin explained: A car bottoming out in T1 will send you in a spin, and a car unsettled by the curbs in the "no chicane chicane" will be a handful.
This can be a very frustrating experience at first, and there are titles on the market that ignore these aspects and let you just ride the curbs, resulting in more fun at first.
But I am pretty convinced that every imperfection in the physics model leaves space for bugs that (at least) annoy you, because bugs (and inaccurate physics design) lead to unexpected behaviour.
Because while an accurate physics engine can be frustrating at times, it also adds predictability and security, because the next lap the car will behave the same and you have a chance to avoid the error - and this is important - very much by instinct.
In the last years I went from Forza to Project Cars to AC to ACC, and with every title I preferred the respective physics model over its predecessor's, not because it was "easier" to drive, but more predictable and understandable. When I make a mistake, I mostly know why it happened and learn how to avoid it the next time.
And that's where the fun begins; when you drive a virtual car on the (either yours or the car's ;)) limit and you can be sure: If you lose it, it was all your fault which you can improve on, opposed to some funky physics engine quirks you can do nothing about.
James Baldwin has said that you get more sensory information in the real car, leading to it being easier to drive in some ways. So the 'most realistic' sim would only be easier to drive if those same forces were conveyed to the driver in some meaningful way.
I prefer AMs 2 to ACC and rF 2
Nori Yaro always gets a like!
Can you name the songs used in the video? Sound like classic end of 90's trance!
So what's your opinion of iRacing's rendition of gt3 cars? I understand if you are avoiding the topic to avoid the onslaught of dislikes.
The fact that you can compensate for low downforce settings by removing the rear anti rollbar is not an error in the simulation of the aerodynamic effects but only a question of the given values. If the loss of grip due to the reduced downforce is smaller or equal to the gain in grip due to the reduced wheel load difference at the rear axle, then this is a normal and real process.
Without insight into the correspondingly stored values regarding contact pressure X at wing position Y a correct evaluation of the simulation is not possible at all. The fact that the grip level is higher at low tyre pressure is also physically correct, as the contact patch is simply at its greatest. Even in Formula 1, tricks were used in which the rims and brakes were heated up before the FIA checked the tyre pressure, so that the specified minimum pressure was reached, in order to be able to drive to the race with a lower starting pressure.
in garman: www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/mercedes-geheimnis-entlarvt-erste-fotos-vom-reifen-heiz-trick/
english: www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/4q8t1e/mercedes_secret_revealed_first_pictures_of_their/
In the DTM, too, the drivers drove for a while with less than one bar of air pressure until this was prohibited for safety reasons.
This brings us to the point where rFactor2 has a flaws, there are simply no tyre failures due to low air pressure. Thermal wear, however, is already simulated, i.e. due to lower pressure the tyre in rFactor2 ages faster due to the effects of heat. The system in ACC, where a minimum pressure must be reached for optimum grip, is not correct, because this minimum pressure is not an indication of optimum grip, but of the operational safety of the tyre, which is a compromise between grip and durability of the tyre.
blowing its computational load 😂
Does ACC perform ok on VR?
How about AMS2 vs ACC?
Ermin, you cant call yourself the least knowledgeable sim racing channel unless you now do the same comparison but including AMS 2 and make it the Porsche Cup car ;) So rF2 vs ACC vs AMS 2 Porsche Cup car now AMS 2 has its FFB sorted and also a car that is in all 3 ! You could even add R3E and AC to the mix :o At least do rF2 vs ACC vs AMS 2 Cup car :)
Look up Dave Cam's channel - he's doing exactly this with the cup car in ACC, RF2, RaceRoom, AMS 2 and maybe more.
Just got rFactor2 on Steam sale ($7). I think the graphic while driving is vey bad, remind me of a '90 racing game. Only tried Brazil, and it just looked bad. Might give one of the other tracks a try. It might have a better FFB, but at least to me the visuals is important to enjoy a game
what is you motherboard+videocard?
I think iRacing is knocking on ACC’s door physics wise 🙋🏼♂️
GT3’s are not up to scratch in iRacing. But, I think that the latest update to the GTE’s and the new LMP2 are really great! I’d be interested to see what you think, as I value your opinion.
@@michasmarzewski3670 most of pro driver who drive in iracing , very few in ACC, people don't like iracing due to it too expensive ,those hater cant afford,so they tend to critique it. I met Rubens Barrichello and mick Schumacher ,Max Verstepen ,Lando norris ,all in iracing ,and what I have experience in ACC ,is griefer ! they hit and punt you in first lap ,after they crash then they quit to choose another server! haha that's ACC
@@michasmarzewski3670 "arcade stuff" lol, ok show me your irating, if you are higher than 3K ,I will believe you ,come on tell us your iracing ID,you cant ,bcuz you don't have one, ah haha see people like you even don't have try it lol ,iceracing? yea if someone who have poor skill and arcade level ,he will feel iceracing , bcz he cant control the car , I can see your point is like "I cant drive in iracing is so hard Im crying ,so it must be ice racing,Im going to play some arcade game I can control to make me feel better now " lol
@@michasmarzewski3670 Yea I know , I have watch those videos before,even myself feel it is too slippy ,but since the june update(or july I forgot), they totally fix it now ,I can attack track save car in iracing now , that's why I always feel unfair bcuz some hater just didn't try it , they criticize iracing with half year ago version (or even older Ver)like this videos you post, after their trial iracing have huge tyre update, no one complaint it now! one thing can prove is that I myself racing in ACC too, with the same skill the same car and track, I always end like the same lap time in iracing and ACC,only maybe 0.3+ -different,so I hate people hype ACC like that ,If the physic is so much different how can I do the same lap times!
Racing using vr is awesome in AC and PC2. VR in RF2 is digustingly amateur in comparison. Not sure about ACC.