About 6 years ago I replaced my 24K BTU HVAC with 4 cheap window AC units from walmart. I installed 18K, 12K, 8K ,8K BTU units in my 1,700 sq ft house. Yeah, major overkill. However, with them all running at the same time they only run maybe 1hr twice a day. My house gets cold quick. Not surprisingly my electric bill went significantly down since the previous HVAC was running most of the day.. In my case, multiple window units are cheaper to operate than a big HVAC central system.
@@NewHVACGuide Living in middle Tenn I use a combination of infrared heaters, electric blankets and kerosene . My electric (heating) bill in winter is more than it is in summer.
@@rp-wb6xn That is not what I am seeing. I have 3 IR heaters (not radiant) main room: huge wall mount with blue led eye candy, bedroom: small fake fireplace, bathroom: small counter top. all use 1300 watts. During the 8ft snow/ice storm last January they ran 24-7 for 1 week.house stayed 72F. Electric bill went from $72 to $118. We have TVA electric.
The public is tired of CONSTANTLY changing HVAC systems/refrigerants…in the name of environmental concerns. It really is because patents change every 10 years. Plus the amount of refrigerants leaking every hour from cars, office buildings and homes is enormous. Here is the quick solution…Geothermal, smaller homes and no office buildings (work at home online if possible) would lower the human footprint on the environment immediately. However the greedy corporate capitalists need their office rent money and all related profit centers. The quick answer (because we cannot beat these scumbag greedy capitalists) is ONLY purchase R32 units (I.e. Goodman, Daikin,etc), The rest of the world uses R32 with no patents so it is less expensive all around. Let “corporate greed” keep their expensive B.S. scam new equipment and new (flammable) refrigerant. People must fight against these corporate greedy scumbags. 👍
Thanks for the video! I have a small leak in one of my units that the HVAC tech could not trace with a sniffer. This is the second time in 18 months this has happened. Currently going through the trade-offs of getting another tech out for an ultrasonic leak detection for a possible repair, or shot-gunning the whole condenser unit or even the the entire system with a higher SEER (and properly sized) system. And now there's the possibility of waiting on new units with new refrigerant! Question. How is it that 19 months before a ban on R-410 equipment there isn't yet R-32 equipment on the market?
Run it till it Quits. r-22 does not wear out or gets to old. It leaks out. if the system is tight an not leaking every thing else can be brought on line if you can do it your self. Serval thousands dollars of cost for a new system you would have to overcome before seeing savings. Just a retire old fart who rather watch sap come out of a pine tree than work on AC.🙂
I picked up a new R22 2Ton compressor for $200 bucks and am building a ground source water to water heat pump to warm my radiant floor when my solar hot water can’t keep up on cloudy days I will be using R290 (propane) it will be a monoblock design located outside
holding out till 410 is super cheap for closeouts for my rental property. Did that in 2012 for a Trane XB13 and running perfect in AZ 12 years latter, hope to time it right for next swap in about 3 years.
Everyone should wait for the High-Efficiency Electric Home Rebate Act (HEEHRA) program as it is big money, that is taking forever to be implemented. HEEHRA is a voluntary program that covers 100 percent of electrification project costs (up to $14,000) for low-income households and 50 percent of costs (up to $14,000) for moderate-income households.
I'm concerned about the 410a phase out, which will be a ban on Jan 1 2025 I believe. Im in the market NOW for 2 mini split heat pumps. I pretty much decided on 2 that had the features and price I liked… Frontier Diamonte with inverter, 9k and 12k btu's. However, then I read about the phase out of 410a. Some online are saying its a big deal, that 410a will be hard to find and very expensive, while others including local HVAC techs and an online Frontier representative say it won't make much difference for 25 yrs! I've seen a few (very few) R32 units online (Daikin I think was a leader in R32 in US) but they cost way more than the Diamonte's I was so interested in. All else equal I'd definitely go with the R32, but do you think it will make much difference? I probably need two separate units and hope to find them for under $1200.00 each! i expect there will be many options in R32 very soon, so I am hesitant to buy right now even though I am in real need of new units.
Want to lower your heating and air conditioning bills. Blower door testing and air sealing are under appreciated tools for improving comfort and reducing heating and AC bills. When looking to save money on utilities always start with adding insulation and sealing air leaks before tackling the HVAC system. Electric heat pumps are the future.
I was told by a technician that is gonna be very expensive to switch the unit because you’re gonna need new piping and new electrical work so he said that he was going to buy a older unit before they phase out and have a leaves another 15 to 25 year and give the problem to somebody else once he retires
I just paid $630 CAD to have a company come out and add 1.5 lbs of R-22 to my 18 year old Trane system. They quoted me $9500 CAD for a new 3.5 ton A/C only system. The mechanic had to phone the shop to see if they even had any R-22, I hear they are gouging for the reclaimed refrigerant as new stock is banned. Yeah I know that they saw me coming, but at 35 degrees C it hurt a little less.
@@robnelson6545 I think the "standard procedure" is to start checking of it leaks down again. My buddy was saying that the more common leak source is the valve connections and then the A evaporator. Compressor seal leaks are very rare to leak in his 40 years of service opinion.
@@eastpark4864 In Canada it is hard to find anything other than small 8 oz. cans of Red Tek R-22a. It is illegal to import any or manufacture any new R-22. Thanks for your comment
new tech is not always better. For instance refrigerators and freezers lasted 30 40 50 years now last 5 years is that really better for the environment? The government doesnt care about the environment, they care about consumerism as they are funded by these corporations that want to increase profits.
Totally agree…The public is tired of CONSTANTLY changing HVAC systems/refrigerants…in the name of environmental concerns. The refrigerant higher pressures destroy the units quicker…more money for greedy scumbags. The changes is because patents change every 10 years - not environment. Plus the amount of refrigerants leaking every hour from cars, office buildings and homes is enormous. Here is the quick solution…Geothermal, smaller homes and no office buildings (work at home online if possible) would lower the human footprint on the environment immediately. However the greedy corporate capitalists need their office rent money and all related profit centers. The quick answer (because we cannot beat these scumbag greedy capitalists) is ONLY purchase R32 units (I.e. Goodman, Daikin,etc), The rest of the world uses R32 with no patents so it is less expensive all around. Let “corporate greed” keep their expensive B.S. scam new equipment and new (flammable) refrigerant. People must fight against these corporate greedy scumbags.
@@dillonbray get some quotes now and if you can wait and take the risk wait until they switch to new equipment, i got the quotes already for now and i am also looking at this energy.sc.gov/programs/funding/home-energy-rebate-programs
I just had an online Pioneer rep tell me that 410a will still be readily available for "25 years." I pushed and finally he said they will have no R32 units in the US for 6 months. HE had said they have 454b units, but when pushed he couldn't list any of those units that are supposedly available now! I need probably two inverter+ mini split heat pumps now. Do I need to (1) check with other US companies for heat pumps that are R32 (or non-410a), or (2) buy R32 units from Europe or Asia, or (3) Is the Pioneer rep correct and 410a will be fine for 25 yrs??? If there are R32 heat pumps available in the US now that is probably my best choice. I just don't know who has them.
Hi Joshua, My lennox coil is leaking and is out of warranty. Should I just change the coil or the air handler ($400 difference between) and wait for the new system in 2025? Thank you
i saw the inverter heat pump vids and have a question. What is the difference between a "variable speed heat pump" by trane/lennox etc versus an "inverter heat pump" by bosch/daikin? assume all are 20-22 seer communicating systems for apples comparison.
With the added costs of home ownership going through the roof; (property taxes, insurance, utilities, general maintenance) you will that home owners will not be able to afford these new systems. Mark my words you will see nice houses with window units poking out. One again renters will get screwed; because landlords cannot or will not absorb the added expense.
Just bought a new York HMH7 and coil last year. To convert to R32, would that entail totally new equipment or could the units-- any unit for that matter-- be flushed and filled with the new stuff? Inverter system. Coils just allow the refrigerant to flow through, correct? Just thinking ahead. I do have 10 years parts and labor. Good video as always.
When are the co going to go to more natural refrigerants like propane and CO2 ??? Seems they are dragging their feet ... Make ALL refrigerant use be outside of the building shell... All units sealed and ready to install with no refrigerants added on site... Sealed units similar to a refigerator or window a/c unit... Many of the "NEW" refrigerants are blends of old components...
Am concern about the impact flammable A2L refrigerants may have on homeowners insurance, as if there's not enough hazards here in the US driving up the cost. These flammables may give insurers an excuse to raise rates no matter how mild of a hazard they may be. Because of that other questions, am seriously considering replacing my 18-year-old r-22 with a new 410a system before the new year.
Think long term savings. Buying the cheapest product now may not be the best for your long term financial savings. New equipment and technology comes with lower operating and maintenance costs which will save you money in the long term.
Every home and business should install a rain water collection and storage system along with solar panels. Even in areas where rain is infrequent it is crazy to waste the little rain that does fall and waste it. We need to stop planting green lawns and switch to local native plantings around homes. It is crazy to plant lawns and build golf courses in dry desert areas. We waste too much water and electricity. the future is electric. Wind and solar energy along with electric vehicles are the future. Stop using fossil fuels. There is a climate crisis.
About 6 years ago I replaced my 24K BTU HVAC with 4 cheap window AC units from walmart. I installed 18K, 12K, 8K ,8K BTU units in my 1,700 sq ft house. Yeah, major overkill. However, with them all running at the same time they only run maybe 1hr twice a day. My house gets cold quick. Not surprisingly my electric bill went significantly down since the previous HVAC was running most of the day.. In my case, multiple window units are cheaper to operate than a big HVAC central system.
interesting.... How do you heat your home in Winter?
@@NewHVACGuide Living in middle Tenn I use a combination of infrared heaters, electric blankets and kerosene . My electric (heating) bill in winter is more than it is in summer.
@@PickledHamI tried space heaters for a couple months in south central Ky, cost 270 a month in December vs 110 for hvac gas in 1100 sq ft home
@@rp-wb6xn That is not what I am seeing. I have 3 IR heaters (not radiant) main room: huge wall mount with blue led eye candy, bedroom: small fake fireplace, bathroom: small counter top. all use 1300 watts. During the 8ft snow/ice storm last January they ran 24-7 for 1 week.house stayed 72F. Electric bill went from $72 to $118. We have TVA electric.
The public is tired of CONSTANTLY changing HVAC systems/refrigerants…in the name of environmental concerns. It really is because patents change every 10 years. Plus the amount of refrigerants leaking every hour from cars, office buildings and homes is enormous. Here is the quick solution…Geothermal, smaller homes and no office buildings (work at home online if possible) would lower the human footprint on the environment immediately. However the greedy corporate capitalists need their office rent money and all related profit centers. The quick answer (because we cannot beat these scumbag greedy capitalists) is ONLY purchase R32 units (I.e. Goodman, Daikin,etc),
The rest of the world uses R32 with no patents so it is less expensive all around. Let “corporate greed” keep their expensive B.S. scam new equipment and new (flammable) refrigerant. People must fight against these corporate greedy scumbags. 👍
Thanks for the video! I have a small leak in one of my units that the HVAC tech could not trace with a sniffer. This is the second time in 18 months this has happened. Currently going through the trade-offs of getting another tech out for an ultrasonic leak detection for a possible repair, or shot-gunning the whole condenser unit or even the the entire system with a higher SEER (and properly sized) system. And now there's the possibility of waiting on new units with new refrigerant!
Question. How is it that 19 months before a ban on R-410 equipment there isn't yet R-32 equipment on the market?
I definitely decided to buy the 20.5 seer Bosh to install in my home and I will buy an extra jugs of 410a to have for future repairs
Not one word about the "new" efficiency. My R22 system is still pumping out cool air. Late model Carrier air handler. Really old compressor.
Run it till it Quits. r-22 does not wear out or gets to old. It leaks out. if the system is tight an not leaking every thing else can be brought on line if you can do it your self. Serval thousands dollars of cost for a new system you would have to overcome before seeing savings. Just a retire old fart who rather watch sap come out of a pine tree than work on AC.🙂
As with the new energy savings windows, I fear the mfg raise the prices greedily, that nullify the rebates in the final cost to the customer.
Even with incentives, you still pay full price (nearly).
I'm still running r22 units.
I picked up a new R22 2Ton compressor for $200 bucks and am building a ground source water to water heat pump to warm my radiant floor when my solar hot water can’t keep up on cloudy days I will be using R290 (propane) it will be a monoblock design located outside
Now…that is a smart person. You have my praise 👍. Propane is cheap and everything is outside. Are there any flammable issues you are concerned about?
Joshua Griffin as always that's a good video presentation; food for thought!
Thanks Bob!
Love my Daikin Fit and got 3,100 in rebates and incentive money back. Happy happy with my Daikin.
Woah $3100!
holding out till 410 is super cheap for closeouts for my rental property. Did that in 2012 for a Trane XB13 and running perfect in AZ 12 years latter, hope to time it right for next swap in about 3 years.
My R-22 system from 1991 still runs great.
410a will be cheap? Why you think that?
Everyone should wait for the High-Efficiency Electric Home Rebate Act (HEEHRA) program as it is big money, that is taking forever to be implemented. HEEHRA is a voluntary program that covers 100 percent of electrification project costs (up to $14,000) for low-income households and 50 percent of costs (up to $14,000) for moderate-income households.
Will this just be for heat pumps and electric water heaters?
November comes and they will be giving 410a HVAC systems away for peanuts.
I'm concerned about the 410a phase out, which will be a ban on Jan 1 2025 I believe. Im in the market NOW for 2 mini split heat pumps. I pretty much decided on 2 that had the features and price I liked… Frontier Diamonte with inverter, 9k and 12k btu's. However, then I read about the phase out of 410a. Some online are saying its a big deal, that 410a will be hard to find and very expensive, while others including local HVAC techs and an online Frontier representative say it won't make much difference for 25 yrs! I've seen a few (very few) R32 units online (Daikin I think was a leader in R32 in US) but they cost way more than the Diamonte's I was so interested in. All else equal I'd definitely go with the R32, but do you think it will make much difference? I probably need two separate units and hope to find them for under $1200.00 each! i expect there will be many options in R32 very soon, so I am hesitant to buy right now even though I am in real need of new units.
Which one? Trane or Tempstar Heat Pump.
Want to lower your heating and air conditioning bills.
Blower door testing and air sealing are under appreciated tools for improving comfort and reducing heating and AC bills.
When looking to save money on utilities always start with adding insulation and sealing air leaks before tackling the HVAC system.
Electric heat pumps are the future.
I was told by a technician that is gonna be very expensive to switch the unit because you’re gonna need new piping and new electrical work so he said that he was going to buy a older unit before they phase out and have a leaves another 15 to 25 year and give the problem to somebody else once he retires
The new equipment I cost more but what he is saying is incorrect. You'll still be able to use the same linesets and electrical in most cases.
I just paid $630 CAD to have a company come out and add 1.5 lbs of R-22 to my 18 year old Trane system. They quoted me $9500 CAD for a new 3.5 ton A/C only system. The mechanic had to phone the shop to see if they even had any R-22, I hear they are gouging for the reclaimed refrigerant as new stock is banned. Yeah I know that they saw me coming, but at 35 degrees C it hurt a little less.
Did they have to check for leaks?
@@robnelson6545 I think the "standard procedure" is to start checking of it leaks down again. My buddy was saying that the more common leak source is the valve connections and then the A evaporator. Compressor seal leaks are very rare to leak in his 40 years of service opinion.
@@eastpark4864 In Canada it is hard to find anything other than small 8 oz. cans of Red Tek R-22a. It is illegal to import any or manufacture any new R-22. Thanks for your comment
@@eastpark4864 Now way can buy 25 lbs of true R22 for $375.
new tech is not always better. For instance refrigerators and freezers lasted 30 40 50 years now last 5 years is that really better for the environment? The government doesnt care about the environment, they care about consumerism as they are funded by these corporations that want to increase profits.
Totally agree…The public is tired of CONSTANTLY changing HVAC systems/refrigerants…in the name of environmental concerns. The refrigerant higher pressures destroy the units quicker…more money for greedy scumbags. The changes is because patents change every 10 years - not environment.
Plus the amount of refrigerants leaking every hour from cars, office buildings and homes is enormous. Here is the quick solution…Geothermal, smaller homes and no office buildings (work at home online if possible) would lower the human footprint on the environment immediately. However the greedy corporate capitalists need their office rent money and all related profit centers. The quick answer (because we cannot beat these scumbag greedy capitalists) is ONLY purchase R32 units (I.e. Goodman, Daikin,etc),
The rest of the world uses R32 with no patents so it is less expensive all around. Let “corporate greed” keep their expensive B.S. scam new equipment and new (flammable) refrigerant. People must fight against these corporate greedy scumbags.
Yep. Five years is a good run and that includes multiple multiple repair visits under an expensive warranty.
I have heard from other HVAC guys that the new systems will be about 30% more. If that's true, that's a really good reason NOT to wait.
I keep hearing all kinds of things. I hope they’re wrong but they may not be
I was told by an HVAC tech they expect hardware prices to balloon 30%.
@@dillonbray get some quotes now and if you can wait and take the risk wait until they switch to new equipment, i got the quotes already for now and i am also looking at this energy.sc.gov/programs/funding/home-energy-rebate-programs
It's the middle of the summer, why do you keep showing people freezing?
I just had an online Pioneer rep tell me that 410a will still be readily available for "25 years." I pushed and finally he said they will have no R32 units in the US for 6 months. HE had said they have 454b units, but when pushed he couldn't list any of those units that are supposedly available now! I need probably two inverter+ mini split heat pumps now. Do I need to (1) check with other US companies for heat pumps that are R32 (or non-410a), or (2) buy R32 units from Europe or Asia, or (3) Is the Pioneer rep correct and 410a will be fine for 25 yrs???
If there are R32 heat pumps available in the US now that is probably my best choice. I just don't know who has them.
Cree and LGs are selling Mimi's with r32 refrigerant
Hi Joshua, My lennox coil is leaking and is out of warranty. Should I just change the coil or the air handler ($400 difference between) and wait for the new system in 2025? Thank you
Manufacturers and installers will grab all incentives. But will make it appear they passed them through
Some incentives are done on the backend, including tax time. But I know what you’re saying.
i saw the inverter heat pump vids and have a question. What is the difference between a "variable speed heat pump" by trane/lennox etc versus an "inverter heat pump" by bosch/daikin? assume all are 20-22 seer communicating systems for apples comparison.
With the added costs of home ownership going through the roof; (property taxes, insurance, utilities, general maintenance) you will that home owners will not be able to afford these new systems. Mark my words you will see nice houses with window units poking out. One again renters will get screwed; because landlords cannot or will not absorb the added expense.
What about RS-53 (R470A) that is supposed to be compatible with R410a equipment?
Just bought a new York HMH7 and coil last year. To convert to R32, would that entail totally new equipment or could the units-- any unit for that matter-- be flushed and filled with the new stuff? Inverter system. Coils just allow the refrigerant to flow through, correct? Just thinking ahead. I do have 10 years parts and labor. Good video as always.
No sorry. A2L refrigerants will require sensors that your current system won’t have
When are the co going to go to more natural refrigerants like propane and CO2 ???
Seems they are dragging their feet ...
Make ALL refrigerant use be outside of the building shell...
All units sealed and ready to install with no refrigerants added on site...
Sealed units similar to a refigerator or window a/c unit...
Many of the "NEW" refrigerants are blends of old components...
DuPont cannot make much money off natural refrigerants so don't look for that to happen.
do all refrigerants still get 20 degree drop across the eval coil ?
Yes relatively
Will NG furnaces be allowed with A2L refrigerant or NG water heaters in close proximity?
Yes
Do these considerations apply to heat pumps? That's the HVAC upgrade that tempts me.
If you live up north.....good luck next winter.
Yes Tad... Mostly heat pumps
Am concern about the impact flammable A2L refrigerants may have on homeowners insurance, as if there's not enough hazards here in the US driving up the cost. These flammables may give insurers an excuse to raise rates no matter how mild of a hazard they may be. Because of that other questions, am seriously considering replacing my 18-year-old r-22 with a new 410a system before the new year.
The A2l refrigerants are only about 5-10% more flammable than 410a! It's a typical govt. scam of we have to do it because of Global Warming.
Think long term savings. Buying the cheapest product now may not be the best for your long term financial savings.
New equipment and technology comes with lower operating and maintenance costs which will save you money in the long term.
Yep when I'm 125, finally get my savings 😮
Not really.
I just got R32, better, but not perfect.
The perfect refrigerant will be expensive I'd imagine for residential. Starts with a C and ends with an O2. 🙂
These New AC Freon are flammable. They will burn down your house. Why would you get these unless you are trying to burn down your house on purpose?
I also have a gas stove inside the kitchen, wood framing, and a Bic lighter in the junk drawer.
Calm down, the new A2l refrigerants have very low flammability. It's about 5% higher than 410a!
Every home and business should install a rain water collection and storage system along with solar panels.
Even in areas where rain is infrequent it is crazy to waste the little rain that does fall and waste it.
We need to stop planting green lawns and switch to local native plantings around homes.
It is crazy to plant lawns and build golf courses in dry desert areas. We waste too much water and electricity.
the future is electric. Wind and solar energy along with electric vehicles are the future. Stop using fossil fuels. There is a climate crisis.