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stupid you need insurance if you wanna ride it on the street and if not then same with dirt bike you don't need insurance or tags either. Maintnence lmao battery alone costs 2500$ which is insane and replace it every few years because battery not gonna last long, for normal motorcycle only small stuff gonna break and overall gonna be way cheaper. Surron is so overpriced 4500$ for a electric toy is a lot and u can buy dirt bike even for 1000$ and have even more fun no even gears is huge downside. Automatic sucks.
Legality for use on the road: most states will classify it as a motorcycle and require motorcycle license and license plates (for the road). Not a bicycle as it doesn't have human powered pedals, and not a moped as it can go faster than 25-40mph (depends on state).
@@MrKongatthegatesyou do register quads and such here in California. Not sure about other states. Surron are not street legal here, technically they are unclassified since they do not fall in class 1, 2, or 3.
I think a lot of people lump them into the dirt bike category, but the build quality is not the same. A dirtbike can handle being dropped multiple times without breaking. however a lot of components on a Sur-Ron are carried over from MTB and don't support the weight or speed. Even the Magura brakes; a lot of people pick as the best are not rated for the weight or speed of a Sur-Ron.
Crazy how big this channel is now. Love the surround content. I'm waiting for my talaria to show up in the next couple of days. Used to think skating was my life
one very importantdetail: it's a lot easier to take an electric bike to your 8th floor apt. (via elevator) and service it or do other mechanical things to it. a gas powered bike would attract waaay more attention and i dare you to fire it up. lol.
I like the part where he said if its a place where noise is not an issue then you are probably better of with a dirt bike. This is because the amount of people that have told me that a surron is better than my dirt bike because its quiet even though in the Utah no body gives a single frick about the noise, its a desert. Great to see a video stating that.
Unfortunately even in what were at one time "country" areas, is becoming v harder and harder to find places to ride dirtbikes. Especially if you don't feel like paying to go to a motocross track or park. Soooo, Sur-rons? Talarias? Well worth it to ride quietly on some unique terrain.
If they made it look more like a bmx or 10 speed, you could go stealth on it in town, stay onder 30-35 probably never get pulled over. get rid of the long seat and put a hole in the middle, no lights
The problem with this idea is "they", who is "they"? If you aren't out there making trails for motos then you can't expect other people to do it for you.
How is it a misconception a Surron is a motorcycle/dirt bike? Go check the official website and see what they actually sell it as. They list it as a off road electric motorcycle. They can do 0-50mph in 3.6 seconds but you still don't think that's a motorcycle/dirt bike? Yes gas will have more power, more range, but that doesn't change the fact a Surron is an electric dirt bike.
Nice vid :). Agreed with everything. Keeping my Talaria stock right now (been 800km this way), along with my other bikes. Didn't think about the bearings and stuff, definitely another reason to keep it stock, for me.
Basically you can't ride 85 anywhere near public unless it's a high crime city where cops got actual crime to handle and ignore the Karens and bored old people calling in all th3 time
6:44 water CAN dmg surron motor, when motor is hot and you apply water on it with temp change motor will suck in some water inside, so soon or later it will brake
I agree with all of your info, especially on the setting of where you would want/not want a Surron vs dirt bike but I disagree entirely with the fact that a Surron is more expensive than a dirt bike you compared a brand new Surron to a bunch of used bikes with a filter on a lot of people especially people who race only put a limited amount of miles on a bike to race them and use them to there peak sell the old one and pick from the selection of 20 other dirtbikes a new dirt bike probably runs around 8k a crf150r is about 6k and a crf250 is around 8k and that's not even starting on ktm's or 450's also dirt bikes have been around far longer and are more popular giving them a much larger aftermarket support allowing for way more crazy in-depth and more expensive builds then any Surron. If you don't think I'm qualified to say whats what j letting you know I got like 10 dirt bikes in my garage and have been searching for a Emoto/bike for months.
you arent lying, also that discount you can get buying a used dirt bike doesnt seem to translate to these Ebikes... its just about my second month checking marketplace and 9/10 of the posts are about $200 lower than official dealers...more commonly mfs are asking MORE $$ than a brand new one because they did a couple mods. I honestly struggle to trust their parts selection, not to mention their ability to install correctly to guarantee the best functionality/longevity.... best of luck with your search!
Haha it does look goofy but the pedals make it so I can, without ANY worries utilize all the city bike paths 👌 looks goofy but allows me to get around my city faster then by car 👍
5:36 Yep... I broke my pinky riding a surron... only my pinky (which literally shattered in 5 pieces) because I had gears on ! Good thing is I kept the bike between my legs and I didn't even scratched it ! Actually, I wish I had scratched the bike instead and kept my pinky straight cause it's all crooked now ^^
Honestly i have insurance on all my ebikes. Which your first time getting pulled over you show you have accident insurance and cops will leave you alone. Thats there main concern is if you hit a car or a car hits you there needs to be a liability clause. Otherwise as long as your not cutting up traffic and doing 60 on sidewalks they are cool with whatever.
In most states yes but no ones really follow the rules when it comes to ebikes. You need to check your local laws. But basically if your bike goes faster than 28mph you need to have it registered and you need to have a regular license or a moped license. All vary state by state but this is the basic.
The upkeep puts me off cause I've the engineering skills of a slug. My mountain bike has a 350w front wheel motor that takes me to 30mph without pedalling without the need for all the work.
@@Calthecool the only issue I've had with it being on the front wheel is it can wheel spin when going up steep slippery surfaces but apart from that they make everything so much easier.
@@rather_be_a_cat I just built a 2kW 2wd bike with two 1kW kits (vid on my channel if you want to take a look) and it definitely spins the front wheel sometimes, although I mostly ride it on pavement where it isn’t a problem.
I don't know about street "legality" where I live, like I was pulled over on my escooter one even though they're legal, our cops are so outdated on new laws its crazy.... Anyways, I found a seller selling a used Segway X260 with 2x32ah batteries for C$4000, this sounds like a crazy deal think I'm just gonna gamble if I can get away or not riding these on the street/side(I have 0 interest in off roading, anyways we have literally 0 trails within a 25km radius lol) if that doesn't work/I get fined I'm gonna go the legal way and get another escooter I guess, sucks since I've always wanted an e-moto
I know this probably is not the place to stay But I have an electric atv What are 120 amp battery If you can run at least a 90 am battery You will get Far I like the Sarah, it looks good I live in Israel, by the way
where i live in Australia cops don't play with surrons if they see you on one they will try ram you off it and if u don't get away quick enough and get caught say bye bye to ur 4-6k bike cos they resell it in the police auction or crush it😭😭😭😭
@@WondersoftheWildWorld01unfortunately Victoria is in debt so they'll steal your cash anyway they can literally. Have a good one from Nazi Dan's area lol
Just got my talaria mx4 yesterday, already rode it a ton, super fun, been riding it everywhere my motorcycle can’t go, only thing is the seat is uncomfortable and it starts to hurt after like 8 min😂
Its a federal law. If there calling it an E-Bike then yes its illegal. The state can override and make there own E-Bike law but most states are if its over 750watts its not street legal. Now if your state can register it as a Moped or motorcycle then your good to go.
@@MrKongatthegates the 750watt ebike is universal but most states will let you register it as an electric moped. Sur ron is in the news in my state now. It's a big topic here as so many people ride sur rons. But the issue in the news call it a Gray area because we do not register sur rons here as moped and people ride it as an ebike. The issue here is 750watts is the agreed ebike max cap. They said in the news it's street legal atm if they limit there power to 750watts. But guess who's doing that. No one is.
They are not legal to ride to begin with, so no, you don't need a license. A license won't help, still illegal. Just buy one, ride it, and be free. Avoid interactions with law enforcement. Honestly, my local cops don't care, but the environmental cops do. If you live somewhere where liberals reign, just avoid people and you will be fine. They'll need a dirt bike to catch you, and cops in the USA don't ride dirt bikes that I am aware of. Just be familiar with your surroundings, mind your own business, and ignore strange noises, such as "Hey!", or "Stop!".
I have only run into one male Karen, on a mountain bike. Everyone else compliments the bike and wants one. Eventually the laws will change, or I will forever be an outlaw for enjoying life.
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@@SeraiahPratsmy guess is bro fell one too many times
@@SeraiahPrats the people who watch thsi guy prolly get injured alot
When he said: “we fear what we don’t understand and we label what we can’t comprehend” that hit diff 😭😭😭
not really
Absolute complete comparison ya did here, son! And I like how truthful u were about pros n cons of each
Excellent job!
It's still relatively cheap. Not requiring insurance, tags, gas and regular maintenance saves a lot in the long run.
not street legal without those
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stupid you need insurance if you wanna ride it on the street and if not then same with dirt bike you don't need insurance or tags either. Maintnence lmao battery alone costs 2500$ which is insane and replace it every few years because battery not gonna last long, for normal motorcycle only small stuff gonna break and overall gonna be way cheaper. Surron is so overpriced 4500$ for a electric toy is a lot and u can buy dirt bike even for 1000$ and have even more fun no even gears is huge downside. Automatic sucks.
excellent mythbusting brother
Dude your editing is so good 🙌
Great video!
Legality for use on the road: most states will classify it as a motorcycle and require motorcycle license and license plates (for the road). Not a bicycle as it doesn't have human powered pedals, and not a moped as it can go faster than 25-40mph (depends on state).
My state dont even wanna register it to anything not even a moped.
Its not street legal in either case. It says its an off road vehicle right on the box. You dont register quads and such@@NatsumeKonno
@@MrKongatthegatesyou do register quads and such here in California. Not sure about other states. Surron are not street legal here, technically they are unclassified since they do not fall in class 1, 2, or 3.
skate or die turning into surron or die
Great video,loaded with good info. Thanks for taking the time
I think a lot of people lump them into the dirt bike category, but the build quality is not the same. A dirtbike can handle being dropped multiple times without breaking. however a lot of components on a Sur-Ron are carried over from MTB and don't support the weight or speed. Even the Magura brakes; a lot of people pick as the best are not rated for the weight or speed of a Sur-Ron.
That’s why they have different models.
Crazy how big this channel is now. Love the surround content. I'm waiting for my talaria to show up in the next couple of days. Used to think skating was my life
this may not get many views, but its really good info for someone thinking about buying one like me. i really appreciated this vid my friend.
Thank you! that was my goal
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I bought my wife a kukirin scooter for her birthday and now I can’t stop watching SURRON videos 😅
Dude, you live in Seattle. You should do a "sess" at the skatepark under the bridge in that city.
one very importantdetail: it's a lot easier to take an electric bike to your 8th floor apt. (via elevator) and service it or do other mechanical things to it. a gas powered bike would attract waaay more attention and i dare you to fire it up. lol.
I like the part where he said if its a place where noise is not an issue then you are probably better of with a dirt bike. This is because the amount of people that have told me that a surron is better than my dirt bike because its quiet even though in the Utah no body gives a single frick about the noise, its a desert. Great to see a video stating that.
i was wondering what’s your opinion and thoughts on the belt drive over chain for the surron?
Thank you for what I would consider a video with a lot of honest useful information!
Unfortunately even in what were at one time "country" areas, is becoming v harder and harder to find places to ride dirtbikes. Especially if you don't feel like paying to go to a motocross track or park. Soooo, Sur-rons? Talarias? Well worth it to ride quietly on some unique terrain.
If they made it look more like a bmx or 10 speed, you could go stealth on it in town, stay onder 30-35 probably never get pulled over. get rid of the long seat and put a hole in the middle, no lights
im happy hes doing what he likes instead of doing what the fans like
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What bike should I get I have about 900$ saved up and I’m 14 and if I need to I can save some more bc I do yard work
My opinion is they should make trails just for moto vehicles and then trails for other stuff like hiking
The problem with this idea is "they", who is "they"? If you aren't out there making trails for motos then you can't expect other people to do it for you.
They do
In Oregon if it goes over 35mph it needs lights, plate, tags and insurance... so they most definitely are illegal in Oregon
bike doesnt go over 30 if u dont cut the governor
How is it a misconception a Surron is a motorcycle/dirt bike? Go check the official website and see what they actually sell it as. They list it as a off road electric motorcycle. They can do 0-50mph in 3.6 seconds but you still don't think that's a motorcycle/dirt bike? Yes gas will have more power, more range, but that doesn't change the fact a Surron is an electric dirt bike.
They don't even go 50mph unless you upgrade them
Thank you for sharing ! I want one. Now I know about it I've learned alot !
Nice vid :). Agreed with everything.
Keeping my Talaria stock right now (been 800km this way), along with my other bikes. Didn't think about the bearings and stuff, definitely another reason to keep it stock, for me.
As advertised...
Mythbusting 👍
”He was okey” bro legit went flying wym he was ok💀
Can i use it in the snow? Theres is not much snow where i live but i still want to use it to go to my job in the winter could i do that?
Yeah I’ve ridden in the snow/ice before you can definitely do it just gotta be careful tires with a lot of traction help alot
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Basically you can't ride 85 anywhere near public unless it's a high crime city where cops got actual crime to handle and ignore the Karens and bored old people calling in all th3 time
Great points 👍
Surron = electric dirt bike
It is not about weight, range, or something else.
It is the purpose and capability.
6:44 water CAN dmg surron motor, when motor is hot and you apply water on it with temp change motor will suck in some water inside, so soon or later it will brake
5:10 bro was way to chill with that lmao
Bro Fr he turned into Superman for a second 😂
Great video I can't argue with you on it at all. 😅
remember when this was a skate channel😔
underrated video frfr
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I agree with all of your info, especially on the setting of where you would want/not want a Surron vs dirt bike but I disagree entirely with the fact that a Surron is more expensive than a dirt bike you compared a brand new Surron to a bunch of used bikes with a filter on a lot of people especially people who race only put a limited amount of miles on a bike to race them and use them to there peak sell the old one and pick from the selection of 20 other dirtbikes a new dirt bike probably runs around 8k a crf150r is about 6k and a crf250 is around 8k and that's not even starting on ktm's or 450's also dirt bikes have been around far longer and are more popular giving them a much larger aftermarket support allowing for way more crazy in-depth and more expensive builds then any Surron. If you don't think I'm qualified to say whats what j letting you know I got like 10 dirt bikes in my garage and have been searching for a Emoto/bike for months.
you arent lying, also that discount you can get buying a used dirt bike doesnt seem to translate to these Ebikes...
its just about my second month checking marketplace and 9/10 of the posts are about $200 lower than official dealers...more commonly mfs are asking MORE $$ than a brand new one because they did a couple mods. I honestly struggle to trust their parts selection, not to mention their ability to install correctly to guarantee the best functionality/longevity....
best of luck with your search!
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thinking more about getting a surron after seeing your vids on them
is it a surron x in the vid? I wanna get an s lb
Yeah it’s the x the lb is has smaller wheels worse suspension and weaker motor fyi
Why not get an esk8? Stooge raceboards or Diy raceboards can easily beat out a stock surron
Cuz I like wheelies and hitting jumps off-road
@@SkateOrDie could get an electric mountain board
@@lukeb5905 how you suooosed to wheelie that 😂
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Haha it does look goofy but the pedals make it so I can, without ANY worries utilize all the city bike paths 👌 looks goofy but allows me to get around my city faster then by car 👍
Im looking into surron supermoto wheels, are thrre any brands you would recommend and how often do you recommended changing them
Are u running a 72 set up or just a stock battery
sur ron on flip flops is what the kings do
what version of surron do you have?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂the way he fell when reacting like he got hit by the car scene lol
5:36 Yep... I broke my pinky riding a surron... only my pinky (which literally shattered in 5 pieces) because I had gears on ! Good thing is I kept the bike between my legs and I didn't even scratched it ! Actually, I wish I had scratched the bike instead and kept my pinky straight cause it's all crooked now ^^
Great video!
i like how 2:06 is most replayed
Honestly i have insurance on all my ebikes. Which your first time getting pulled over you show you have accident insurance and cops will leave you alone. Thats there main concern is if you hit a car or a car hits you there needs to be a liability clause. Otherwise as long as your not cutting up traffic and doing 60 on sidewalks they are cool with whatever.
Yoooooooo i love your channel bro keep it up
You got the OG Pic of Surronster on the thumbnail!!! 💪💪
Do you recommend a Soron over a gas dirtbike for a first time bike for a 12-13 year old??
yea its easier to ride and also the seat height is much lower
@@poganow ok thank you
0:40 quote that
2:06 brain activation! (0------0)
Brother’s bike was in flames so he pulled this app out like it had a fire extinguisher button😂😂😂😂
I might get a Surron it’s the light bee s but I’m still hyped
can you link the link for the surron that was in this vid pls
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weird seeing my old middle school 9:11 lmao
I’m in a situation where I have to chise between a moped scooter or a surron what would you say
bro the guy that rode his surron in a pool just killed me.💀💀
Do u prefer making skate story vids or the list/top ten vids?
And what do u fans prefer watching?
depends mostly on what I'm inspired by. If you sort my videos by most popular its clear to see what fans prefer.
@@SkateOrDie aight
Do you need a driving lisence for a surron?
In most states yes but no ones really follow the rules when it comes to ebikes.
You need to check your local laws.
But basically if your bike goes faster than 28mph you need to have it registered and you need to have a regular license or a moped license.
All vary state by state but this is the basic.
No they are not street legal period. You can use it on private property, the farm, or public trails or a track.
2:05 😍
I was gonna get until I saw this, I need to change what I need now.
It IS cheap, tell me what else you can get NEW for 4500?? That has anywhere near the fun factor! And mine has No mods & it’s a blast!
A honda rebel 300, Or a Yamaha scooter, both are street legal
@@MrKongatthegates but your not gunna ride those in suburban woods & bike trails.
if a modded surron costs around 12k wouldnt a stark varg be the better option?
should i get a surron?(im 13 years old)
Yes
Don’t forget your safety gear
Does you dad have a bunch of land? Like a huge farm? If yes then sure
i am
For sure
The upkeep puts me off cause I've the engineering skills of a slug. My mountain bike has a 350w front wheel motor that takes me to 30mph without pedalling without the need for all the work.
Got to love hub motors.
@@Calthecool the only issue I've had with it being on the front wheel is it can wheel spin when going up steep slippery surfaces but apart from that they make everything so much easier.
@@rather_be_a_cat
I just built a 2kW 2wd bike with two 1kW kits (vid on my channel if you want to take a look) and it definitely spins the front wheel sometimes, although I mostly ride it on pavement where it isn’t a problem.
Register it as a Moped or a street legal dirt bike?
In the uk u get chases and even hit off ur bike if u don’t take off. Bike would be taken and u would loose ur license for 1/2 years
I'm in UK and thinking of getting one and putting it in the back of my estate, but even then, where would I take it to ride?!!!
Bro why is surronster in the cover
I don't know about street "legality" where I live, like I was pulled over on my escooter one even though they're legal, our cops are so outdated on new laws its crazy....
Anyways, I found a seller selling a used Segway X260 with 2x32ah batteries for C$4000, this sounds like a crazy deal
think I'm just gonna gamble if I can get away or not riding these on the street/side(I have 0 interest in off roading, anyways we have literally 0 trails within a 25km radius lol)
if that doesn't work/I get fined I'm gonna go the legal way and get another escooter I guess, sucks since I've always wanted an e-moto
Hey I made it in a video hahahah
2:06 i watched this vid in class and sombody saw… this
Whatever mods you do on your ebike...you do the same mods on your motorcycle...except they are more expensive
What state and city is he in?
enduro bikes have a tiny range compared to road bikes a hundred miles in extreme riding is pretty rare tbh
dude i want one of these bikes so bad but here on palestine the STOCK ones cost more than a car
4500 isn’t hump change
Or chump change
Do you need a mototcycle license to ride them on the road?
They are not made for the road. Its illegal.
@@MrKongatthegates 🤓
I know this probably is not the place to stay But I have an electric atv What are 120 amp battery If you can run at least a 90 am battery You will get Far I like the Sarah, it looks good I live in Israel, by the way
I like the old trails and building new ones. Then you can say pedal bikes are illegal here.
what is the diff between the surron bee x and surron x?
Smaller wheels worse suspension and weaker battery and motor
where i live in Australia cops don't play with surrons if they see you on one they will try ram you off it and if u don't get away quick enough and get caught say bye bye to ur 4-6k bike cos they resell it in the police auction or crush it😭😭😭😭
HAHAHAHA
I live in far north queensland cops dont give a shit aslong as you dont ride recklessly on footpaths and bike lanes.
@@WondersoftheWildWorld01unfortunately Victoria is in debt so they'll steal your cash anyway they can literally. Have a good one from Nazi Dan's area lol
Just got my talaria mx4 yesterday, already rode it a ton, super fun, been riding it everywhere my motorcycle can’t go, only thing is the seat is uncomfortable and it starts to hurt after like 8 min😂
Dont worry your a** will adapt real quick to the seat, so no pain anymore 😅
Do the seat mod that lifts up the front part of it
Who renembers when he would post skate content
Surons aren't in a gray area they are literally just e-dirtbikes stock. ,there's only 1 gray area one I've seen and it's a pithog max
3:48 😂
they are street legal but only with registration and insurance like a normal motorcycle.
3:27 Seattle police do not care one bit. Ride it anywhere here.
Should i get a surron (im 12)
5:16 he was ok 😂😂😂😂
Its a federal law. If there calling it an E-Bike then yes its illegal. The state can override and make there own E-Bike law but most states are if its over 750watts its not street legal.
Now if your state can register it as a Moped or motorcycle then your good to go.
It dosent have brake lights or rear signal lights among other things. Its not even trying to be street legal, the laws are different everywhere
@@MrKongatthegates the 750watt ebike is universal but most states will let you register it as an electric moped. Sur ron is in the news in my state now. It's a big topic here as so many people ride sur rons. But the issue in the news call it a Gray area because we do not register sur rons here as moped and people ride it as an ebike. The issue here is 750watts is the agreed ebike max cap.
They said in the news it's street legal atm if they limit there power to 750watts. But guess who's doing that. No one is.
The e ride pro is a dirt bike imo
5:30 wtf is this clip? Dude didnt even try to turn and went straight into the guardrail
Can i ride a surron on roads if i am 11 years old
No. Not if you are 18, in The US. It dosent have blinkers or stop lights
How can I make a surron street legal?
Do you need a drivers license for a sur Ron
They are not legal to ride to begin with, so no, you don't need a license. A license won't help, still illegal. Just buy one, ride it, and be free. Avoid interactions with law enforcement. Honestly, my local cops don't care, but the environmental cops do. If you live somewhere where liberals reign, just avoid people and you will be fine. They'll need a dirt bike to catch you, and cops in the USA don't ride dirt bikes that I am aware of. Just be familiar with your surroundings, mind your own business, and ignore strange noises, such as "Hey!", or "Stop!".
I have only run into one male Karen, on a mountain bike. Everyone else compliments the bike and wants one. Eventually the laws will change, or I will forever be an outlaw for enjoying life.
I thought bro was a skater not a biker