The End of Modern Video Games
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- You could say gaming has had a 'crash'.
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Neither of these crashes are the end of gaming. Just like how all the major extinction events throughout Earth's history were never the end of all life. Its merely the old companies that have become too fat, greedy, and complacent failing to adapt to a changing environment. But they aren't the entire industry.
In the 80s, the only gaming markets that crashed were the console and arcade markets. PC gaming actually thrived during that time, especially in Europe. Because unlike consoles and arcades, it was being fueled by individuals that had passion for their work, instead of just corporations producing a product. People that made games for fun first, and money later. So even if no one bought their games, they still made them anyway. They learned, and grew, and made better games, until people did want to buy them. And it was many of those people that started the companies we now know as the "AAA" titans that dominate the industry.
Of course, very few of those people still work at those "AAA" companies, so the company attitudes have completely changed. And even though that is now killing those "AAA" companies, it still won't be the end of gaming overall. Its just the ancient dinosaurs dying off, because the environment is changing, and they're too big and slow to adapt fast enough. Meanwhile, the new little indie rodents that have been scurrying around their feet, trying not to get crushed, now have an opportunity to take over as the new dominant force. Even though many of them unfortunately follow the same self-destructive practices as the "AAA" dinosaurs, there are also plenty more that still deliver what their players truly want: Fun games.
So don't think of this as a complete extinction, merely a culling of the herd. And its up to us, the customers, to guide that culling in the right direction. If we push things the right way, we can help make the gaming industry healthy again. And all we really need to do is vote with our wallets. Support the developers that make games you like, and ignore the ones that don't. Never forget that the customer holds the power, not the company. They need you, but you don't need them.
And then we need to learn from the past, and listen for when it starts to rhyme again, so we can stop it before it gets this bad next time.
Excellent comment. It's never the end. Just a new beginning.
"wadayamean end of games, I play games every day" - I literally skipped "AAA" games for last 10 years. And did not noticed any "end" of them. Probably only "AAA" game I have are by CDPR Witcher and Cyberpunk. I am not optimizing my hype, but my fun.
"Video games are a rare commodity!" Correction: "Good video games are a rare commodity!" There is more than enough Mobile and AAA(A) slop out there, which does not deserve to exist.
I will accept your correction, as it is the correct thing to say.
good games isn't that rare, it's just that there are a lot more games in general.
@@Ghorda9 That is also true. I would argue that current video games, particularly in the triple AAA space have become rare. That's why we should champion Indie work (I'm going to play Plucky Squire later as a testament to that).
@@DrNewVeg4s it's also not uncommon to get large high quality "AA" games that what "triple A" used to be. Just look at Black Myth Wukong, Space Marin 2, Baulder's Gate 3 etc.
@@Ghorda9 Also true. I think maybe an argument I could have put is that games could scale down, somewhat. We don't need overblown triple AAA experiences, merely good gameplay with servicable graphics.
It must be brutally de-moralising to work for live service video game for years, just to get it shut down after few weeks.
Totally agree. We don’t often talk about the workers in video games. It’s a cut-throat industry
No you dont. You will be too busy de-moralised for being laid off.
Is it really 'innovation' that gamers crave? Or do they just crave... games made by people who care about games and what they are making? And something that prioritizes fun.
All of which seems to be lost in the AAA space.
I don't disagree with that. I do think people working on video games care about video games, just not the people above the people who care (if you get what I mean).
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The investors, and the suits at the top of publishing companies.
Something that all the right wing adult children celebrating Concord's failure still fail to understand is that the investors are going to walk away from that debacle with more money than they started with. Same goes for any large scale crash they create. The kind of investors that hold the power to cause this kind of damage to an industry are career capitalists, meaning they've been doing this long enough to know how to pump up the speculative value of an investment target, and then pull out early so the crash and all the losses are effectively absorbed by others.
This means that the source of the problem will live on, and potentially go on to ruin other industries, or even return to recapture whatever is left of gaming. Regardless of this, gaming may collapse back into a niche hobby for an extended period, with far less to choose from, and much lower quality. Gaming is a uniquely difficult hobby to get into, it's sweaty and difficult, compared to movies or music which require little personal investment from participants. This means it can be very difficult to rebuild a consumer base after a crash. People might just move on and never come back.
And if someone *does* manage to rebuild gaming after a crash, and new companies and paradigms rise up and eventually reboot the industry, it will likely come at great cost to consumers and developers... As it did the last time with Nintendo, who exploited the previous video game crash to deploy numerous authoritarian and anti-competitive practices with minimal resistance. Something that managed to be a problem far outside of the US market, where the crash was mostly localized.
The problem is that people wont address the core problem here, which is the out of control investors and business. "Free market" capitalism needs to stop. Unless something is done about it, unless we start limiting the growth and power of business and investors, it's very possible that things could get much worse before they get better, assuming they ever do get better.
@@DrNewVeg4s
The investors, and the suits at the top of publishing companies.
Something that all the right wing adult children celebrating Concord's failure still fail to understand is that the investors are going to walk away from that debacle with more money than they started with. Same goes for any large scale crash they create. The kind of investors that hold the power to cause this kind of damage to an industry are career capitalists, meaning they've been doing this long enough to know how to pump up the speculative value of an investment target, and then pull out early so the crash and all the losses are effectively absorbed by others.
This means that the source of the problem will live on, and potentially go on to ruin other industries, or even return to recapture whatever is left of gaming. Regardless of this, gaming may collapse back into a niche hobby for an extended period, with far less to choose from, and much lower quality. Gaming is a uniquely difficult hobby to get into, it's sweaty and difficult, compared to movies or music which require little personal investment from participants. This means it can be very difficult to rebuild a consumer base after a crash. People might just move on and never come back.
And if someone does manage to rebuild gaming after a crash, and new companies and paradigms rise up and eventually reboot the industry, it will likely come at great cost to consumers and developers... As it did the last time with Nintendo, who exploited the previous video game crash to deploy numerous authoritarian and anti-competitive practices with minimal resistance. Something that managed to be a problem far outside of the US market, where the crash was mostly localized.
The problem is that people wont address the core problem here, which is the out of control investors and business. "Free market" capitalism needs to stop. Unless something is done about it, unless we start limiting the growth and power of business and investors, it's very possible that things could get much worse before they get better, assuming they ever do get better.
You can't say Concord shut down in a matter of "weeks" because it didn't got to the end of the second week. It was just a week and change. :)))
That’s true! I had a brain fart and thought it was even longer 😂
greed killed it.
this was a very enjoyable video... suprised you only have 200 subscribers.
Thank you! I have the ability to drone on sometimes 😂
I don't even care to try new games, the older ones are way more fun
Make video games great again 😂😂
The video game crash only really affected North America (US) and only really Arcades and Consoles. Home computers just kept trucking along and the rest of the world didn’t even know of the crash unless they read US news papers or maybe a segment about it appeared on the local news.
Yep. I did say this in the video around the 8:17 mark.
I don't think even American gamers knew of the crash until AVGN spread awareness of it over 25 years later. It was really more a behind the scenes tidbit that only boring suits would find interesting.
@@yarpen26 Not really AVGN, anyone who knows anything about history or have any relative interest in it would know, from consumers, who were there during the crash, to developers that got affected by the crash. There were also quite a few documentaries that covered it way before AVGN.
Um... you do realise that the 1983 crash was an AMERICAN event? Japan and Europe was in no way affected by it. You're presenting it as if it was a global occurrence.
I think you found an American source and ran with it.
I said that in the video :)
Edit: 8:17
Back then yes. But right now it's a different time, where also Europe and Japan is affected. That means it will hurt not only America, but entire world.
@@endrewhagridThat’s true. America is the dominant economic super power (bar China who might survive a crash as well). But America wouldn’t cave into China leading the way, so crash away 😂
@@DrNewVeg4s If China will become new leader in game industry, then screw all of this.
@@DrNewVeg4s eep
Yes, it's done. It's over. The only things that remains is online casinos, and governments won't do anything. They supported physical casinos, why shouldn't they support online versions of them. It's just like that. Sometimes players will get a good single player game here and there, but they will be a small fraction.
It's worth noting that this crash was a North American crash only. Europe and the rest of the world happily carried on gaming as usual. Here in the UK (until the SNES) Nintendo was irrelevant at best.
A few people have mentioned this. It’s true, Japan essentially saved the North American gaming space. I did say it in the video, but I probably should have highlighted it more.
Rest in peace, Concord. Of all the games in the world, you were one of them.
It certainly was a game in 2024.
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In memory of Concord. 2024-2024
The problem with modern gaming is that they are barely finished, piece meal specticals that are overly priced. This is why i prefer playing on my ps3 as a majority of the games are fully finished and everything is on the disc.
Im not denying theres been stinkers on every console, but with the ps5 and SXbox its either great or disappointing
I agree. I also think a part of the problem (which I address in the video) is there’s nothing new happening. It’s the same old tired formulas.
There’s a reason you go back to your PS3, because games were trying new mechanics and game design that felt fresh and not bloated. They also worked in the context of the game. Now, we have the same thing but overly priced and full of microtransactions.
@@DrNewVeg4s exactly
The style, the setup, the topic, the vid length, the pacing. Everything is screaming Lextorias to me. LOL
Collab?
Oh, I like him! Happy to do stuff with him any day.
We might have a chance to attend the 2nd Atari collapse, some of you lucky once, might already attend the first one, and I have faith our generation can see the third one later again.
I’m buzzing for the 7th Atari generation collapse myself.
Thats why i appreciate games like quake 2 remastered or half life getting anniversary patches than whatever AAA studios releases it's always gonna be liveservice crap.
We are going to ID based games, we will have a digital ID that can hook up to any game on a protocol level, we can have many if we want, but that ID will hold money and history of your activity. We will collect or fight for real money in games and it will be streamed directly to your digital ID wallet in real time, like collecting a coin in a game will be equal to one cent and it will instantly appear in your digital wallet. All dumb platforms will die, it will only about the experience and achieavements.
GTA VI. Enough said. It's going to sell consoles like the PS5 and PS5 Pro.
Nah, let's just keep laying off entire studios of people so we can pretend that what we're doing is somehow profitable.
EA thanks you for your service!
@@Noqtis Oh no, not “DEI ruined my cars”.
I'm supportive of DEI but other than exceptions like Baldur's Gate 3 which is a phenomenal game and IMO is the perfect way to have inclusivity and representation,
You can't deny that there's a massive pattern in modern games that give you the "DEI check the box vibes" and the game itself being of lesser quality. @DrNewVeg4s
Non-intellectuals will just say DEI is the problem but I believe it's something used by corrupt corpos (in most cases) to squeeze every last dime out of the consumers by trying to push it out to the widest audience possible when they see that the game itself is lacking in quality during the development processes.
Additionally as a black man id love to see a diverse array of black hair styles in games but when damn near every game showcases the killmonger haircut on all of their black male characters, it doesnt seem genuine to me.
the kind of video of: "i don't have any subs i better keep beating concord dead horse"
Dude, you have similar subs to me. Back down. The video discusses the gaming industry in general and uses Concord as an example. There's no need to get worked up on a comments section about it.
@@DrNewVeg4sTo be honest with you I think the guy is just trying to say that this is the most safe and predictable video. I will give this video a chance but I’m just tired of seeing the same video over and over again. Especially now all I hear is how this industry is going to collapse. I don’t buy that for a second. I think people need to leave the triple aaa space and go play some indie games for a while! Go find games your passionate about and make videos on that! If you wanna be an influencer you should nudge the market place into games you like! Instead of this toxic minds that all gaming sucks and there is no way to save it. I hope you consider what I say.
@@B.Love88 No, he's going off about wokeness in another comment (they keep spamming me because I talk about politics). I attempt to have a bit more nuance and also argue that a 'crash' may not be a bad thing for the industry. I discuss history on the crash, then apply it to the context of today. That's it.
@@DrNewVeg4s well I like I said I will give your video a chance. I’m on my way to work and this came across my feed. I’m all for nuance talk but just tired of hearing the same recycled opinion over and over again. Some of my favorite content creators I have discovered over the years has had their gripes about the game industry but what kept me coming back was them introducing to me games I have never heard of! It doesn’t matter new or old! I love hearing about games. Hell matthew mattosis talked about dust force a tough as nails capcom platformer! I went and bought it for ps3. At the end of the day I wish you the best.
please move the mic away from your mouth a little bit , it's so awkward when people look to be eating their mics in their videos
I was hungry that day!
No mention of SBI?
Nah, because it’s not the reasons games are tanking.
But it’s one of them.
@@PowerfulRiftNope. SBI have also had successful games, and it’s propaganda whipped up by the right.
@@DrNewVeg4s Despite the comments made by its co-founder and probably the rest of them, yet it's the right who were pushing propagandas. It sure makes sense. That very statement of yours shows which isle you are standing on.
Make videogames good again, for a while.
The cycle repeats after innovation happens as the market rewards innovation: investors switch their capital towards what the market rewards, and the studios begin to make concessions in order to appeal to investors. The new Warhammer game already had an injection of capital that will have to be accounted for: the injection came after the success of the game, which means now they have to come up with something new to appeal to investors, not consumers.
There's no way to break this cycle, but at least you can be certain that it's ciclical.
I'm a solo dev. I've developed innovations to 3 genres that are dying or plain dead; I've spent 7 years on this already. I'm currently producing the first new genre. I'm afraid no one will enjoy it due to the aggressive nature of an intellectual revolution, but I'm confident it is what gamers want and more. I know, I'm a gamer.
I’ll back it! Anything that helps new genres.
I enjoyed Concord. Sue me I guess? I bought it on a whim and ended up really enjoying it. Feels like I'm getting gaslit by the universe. Everyone is saying 'this game is trash and you're trash for liking it...' but that's not how I felt when I played. Put 40 hours and got my money's worth, and got the refund. I hope it comes back F2P but I won't hold my breath
No, I don't have judgment for you liking it. I didn't play it myself, and I don't comment on its gameplay, as I can't because I didn't play it. This video uses Concord as an example in the contradictions of the gaming industry and how it failed so quickly!
@@DrNewVeg4s Fair enough
if it comesback f2p expect it to fall in quality
@@Ccscenario that's what I'm worried about. And that's why I was happy to pay $40 for a premium finished product. But apparently that's too much for people these days
Its the people makimg the games thats the problem
Nope, it's the people selling/marketing games.
mainframe game?
That's how it was described at the time: Games that couldn't be played on a personal computer (Arcade games)
Clickbait, Space Marine, Wukong and Astrobot are having success.
It’s not clickbait. I address that there are successes in the industry, but there are notable (and much more consequential) failures in it as well.
Do not underestimate the 'woke' factor. There seems to be a big correlation between perceived (by majority of anti woke or nonpolitical youtubers) wokeness in games and their success.
Maybe its the other way around and non-innovative companies are woker or wokeness does repell quality and skilled people? I don't know. But the correlation is there.
If you're in your 20's, you need to hit the gym rather than going on about games, bro.
This comment is too funny to not be considered satire.
Whatever capitalism touches...it destroys. But this is not the end. This is merely the start of the rise of indie developers, the REAL creators.
Too right. Well said friend!
@@tristman8413 "My favourite TH-camr once said communism is evil and so I will repeat it" vibes.
@@tristman8413 Can you quantify capitalism's deaths for me?
@@DrNewVeg4s Yeah, your favourite youtuber was possible act man, a woke activist
@@tristman8413 Yes, actually quantify it. We know you can't but I would like to see you try.
But there is a branch of gaming industry, where regurgitating well known ideas, with small additions, meant to harness increments in processing power is the recipe for success. This are simulators.
i.e. I've bought both Assetto Corsa (2014) and Assetto Corsa Competizione (2019), I also fully intend to buy the next installment despite it bringing nothing revolutionary, just some incremental enhancements.
Same with LiftOff, I've played LiftOff, but I've gladly paid for LiftOff: Microdrones, as it brought simulation of tiny whoops a little closer to real life drone I fly whenever weather and time permits.
You are right. Even when you look back at the period before the crash, many games were developing from other ideas and making it successful.
I would argue that even incremental changes can still be innovative, particularly with a formula that works. It’s when games market themselves as “innovative”, yet do very little to actually change the game.
These sound like interesting games. I’ve heard of the first two, but not LiftOff. I’ll have to have a look!
late twenties, really
I know, the world hasn't been kind to me.