How Will the New FL5 Civic Type R Improve on the FK8 Civic Type R?
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- How Will the New FL5 Civic Type R Improve on the FK8 Civic Type R?
The new Civic Type R has just been revealed by Honda. It is supposed to be even faster than the FK8, but what makes the 10th gen Civic Type R so great? Short answer is Honda engineering. Brian breaks it down by pulling the engine on this FK8 when the car was still new in 2017! We put it up on the lift at Hasport and look around the car. Then we pull the engine out. All in the interest of education.
Look for a more in-depth video looking at the engine in a future episode.
Sorry about the audio. I did just buy a new mic for future videos.
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Never watched before, but you are a rare breed on TH-cam and social media. You were informed, concise, didn't bullshit and try to be silly, not that there's anything wrong with that, but sometimes I just want knowledge, and you sir, delivered. Bravo
He is a real tuner
Not a TH-camr
Daniel Garrett just needs to work on that audio
I loved the episode of pinks he participated in
Man, these guys are old school. RESPECT
" Hey I'm going to inspect this brand new Type R"
Pulls whole engine out
I thought he was joking about pulling the engine on a brand new type r.
I see, that I am with my people.
Same here
Me too 😳 he wasn’t Playing 😳
Your guys are like the AvE of Hondas. Gets a brand new Type R, "You guys want to take 'er for a rip?" "Nah, let's see what's inside first!" Love it! Cheers fellas.
gotta see what makes her chooch first.
Pulling it out and fully inspecting it was honestly not what I was expecting . I just subbed . Keep the great info up! This is all what the real car community likes
Erick Gutierrez thank you for the support!
don't be afraid of going super techy in future videos.. don't dumb it down
DxsPro to the point of "engineering explained" channel where non engineers can only see random numbers without understanding anything?
hasport/brian has been modifying honda for ages.. and i am sure he prefers to talk technical than dumb it down for the masses. Why not make this channel techy, there are enough dumb ass car vlogs by 18 year olds and mainsteam buzzfeed typical car channels to stimulate the rest of the population... also, if something is said that is too techy for you, then google it and learn something - you seem to have enough time if you are willing to reply to my half assed comments.
I just got a Type R and it is am amazing vehicle. Much respect! Watching this video allowed me to learn so much more about my own car. Thanks for sharing with us your knowledge, skills and experience.
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I thought you were joking about pulling the motor. Then I thought you were still messing with us when you removed the splash shield. Wow... this video was great.
Removing the engine? Definitely a TH-cam first, people are going to want to see this
Just actually examining the suspension is a youtube first, in my experience. Other "reviewers" seem to think that the infotainment system is what is important.
what an awesome channel, i was expecting a walk around but in true VA fashion we get a full tear down!
A lot of good points, i specially liked how you were very detailed in how the type r has the capability to be awd from the factory or converted to awd later on
Or convert it to rwd
Honda thinks ahead look at all the interchangeable parts
Do they this to all their cars if you look back to Russia and in Japan they have awd civic and integra but it doesn’t come with the powerful dohc vtec motor I wish they just did it like that with all the cars so we can just awd everything lol.
The Civic plattform is also used for the CR-V. So it's not a coincidence ;-)
There was talk in the beginning of the type R being awd but eventually got scrapped for lap times from my understanding. So when the idea got scrapped they could've already had the design made and left it.
However some people in here make great points like Honda thinking ahead, same platform as the crv, and different markets.
ive never owned a honda partially because they never made anything of interest to me, another since i am taller guy and dont fit great in most japanese cars, however the design and engineering in this car is very well done.
Time laps music is 4 times louder than speach, blown my ears!
I cant believe how much you do for your channel, what a champion.
I look up and see people gave some thumbs down, there is always such pathetic ungrateful people out there who like to sit behind a screen and flex their arrogance and don't have a video of their own to show anyone, oh well ignore it, your doing a great job.
Have a brilliant Christmas.
Glad that y'all took the time to show an actual Type-R engine and show various components of the car. It's rare to be able to see one yet because these cars are very limited in number.
huojin01 Only one way to learn about how it all comes apart. Plus, Brian is crazy like that.
Seems like a huge engine for a 4 banger. Pulled the engine "just for fun". He's got some balls. Good job!!!
Stu driver and lover here. I approve this video. Man, I hat all that damn plastic covering the oil filter, everyone is doing it. They should make quick disconnects. Honda made a nice car. I would gladly buy this over that junk Fucus RS
I would actually choose this or the Subaru if it were AWD. They would seem to have the exact performance times it it were
I like how you pulled the engine, good work Hasport. Can you investigate and see if there is anything in particular about the trans setup that would cause it to possibly grind?
The testing that would be needed to do that is beyond my capabilities. That would require some special equipment. If I do hear anything from my friends, I will pass along the information.
Check your Honda dealer. If I remember correctly there was a slight issue with the linkage bracket causing an obstruction and sometimes causing the shifter not fully going into gear. Ask your dealer to see if there are any known service bulletins. I know Honda Canada has them.
It was either that or the clutch lines and the slave cylinder causing the issue. Like I said, it's been a while when i read that bulletin. But Honda should have it.
Any update on the gear grinding issues for the type R? did Honda issue a TSB?
+TheRedc0met yeah, a widespread issue that iirc honda was issuing a recall for is just bad driver skills. Like how my 9th gen sometimes grinds into second with the clutch pedal pressed in all the way, even sometimes when my honda master mechanic of over 10 years who's been messing with Hondas since the 90s has an issue with it too
Mechanics go to a school called VTEC in australia, was so confused trying to figure out who was brave enough to give their type r to a bunch of VTEC students 🤣 great video!
Did this dude seriously drop out the engine on a brand new car just for show? I'm impressed!
Daniel Fl. Brian is just crazy like that. 🤘🏽
VTEC Academy I love it! He sure knows what he is doing.
Where have you been all my civic life man... I can’t believe I stumbled upon this goldmine. Thank you for doing what you’re doing. From Russia with lots of love!
I had the car for almost a year now but never had the time to do my own inspection. This is very helpful. I learned a lot from this. Thank you very much.
I think what I love behind the criticism is the fact the engineers have built this car to cater for the hardcore Civic tuners. Of course they have dumbed down the spec but left room for people to easily modify it to their tastes!
Right now you dont have to spend mega bucks to gain another 100+ horse power!
THAT alone is amazing
Duncan Gray that's pretty much true with any forced induction car with a half way decent sized factory turbo. No biggy.
It’s a “biggy” for me ;-)
+Duncan Gray that's because you like Honda's
Oh man that bump though! I swore when they released the specs if the Type R was AWD I would sell my S2000 and get one. If the AWD conversion comes around, it'll be hard not to make the leap. I'm excited for the future for Honda!
theirs word going around we will get an awd version of the Type R but only time will tell
I sure hope so. I know that Honda has officially stated the reason they stuck with the FWD platform was they wanted to continue the tradition of being the beast FWD of the old Type R. I hope that they decide AWD is the way to go though, very large opportunity for them. And well for me too :)
oh i agree, no reason it cant be a beast in a FWD and AWD package, the car would get a lot more interest that way
I want them to make it awd.... But I also would like for them to take the next gen acura ilx on this platform and drop this engine in along with shawd and bring back the type s. It could potentially compete with the s3 since it will essentially be around 40k either way which the s3 starts at.
It might be electric motor in the back wheels. The Honda Legend has that.
Wow! As a type r owner, I feel like you deserve this car and I don’t!
Zhijun Gao Ahaha! If you can get one, then you deserve it!
Man if there’s anybody out there that can do a video addressing the known issues on the new type r...it’s this guy!
I am so lost, this video was made way before the FL5 was even thought of
Hands down best review/ tour of a car ever
Could watch this all day
THis guy is a mad man!! he just pulled the engine out just to tell us what going on with it?!?!?!? ....subscribe.
Whos here watching & actually OWNS a Type R??
Me, 2021 in Boost Blue; 133 miles.
Me
I do. I’m located in Las Vegas, NV. RR 2018 fk8
i’m about to lol
11:50 When the engine transmission etc are mated together, Aston Martin call it "The Marriage". When i worked for MG Rover it was called "Stuff up" lol
My guess on the space for AWD parts is due to the fact that the Civic and CR-V share platforms (with the CR-V obviously having AWD). I’m thinking they used the same floor pan and a similar rear suspension in both cars. So maybe get your hands on a CR-V drivetrain and see if it fits?
Well done VTEC Acadamy
Yeah, the hood vent/scoop works because when they tested out the first few prototypes without the vent/scoop at the nurburgring they caught on fire lol
towncaptain7 that's what they blamed it on ....
Haha, video went from casual to legit as hell when he went from “look at these cool control arms” to “ok let’s pull the motor!” - very cool guys!
Wow pulling the engine I'm impressed
Great video. First time viewer. You look so much like TIm Allen it's like watching an episode of Tool TIme within a Home Improvement episode. I was waiting for something to catch fire.
Jody Z Ahahah! No fires, this time. The only mishap we’ve captured on video so far is this th-cam.com/video/TPqSqnpjTkc/w-d-xo.html
Ever since Honda stop making the S2000 and instead made a toaster that was dog friendly I gave up on the company. However this channel is still worth watching. I don't care about the cars but this is a brilliant video good work guys
Toyota were using that suspension tech in the 90s. Now its like ford and honda revolutionised fwd with this? Even Peugeot was using this design 10 years ago. I believe the Hondas real advantage is its differential.
TheRedc0met MK7 GTIs do come with a diff.
TheRedc0met then why cry about it fool
You guys are awesome! So professional and skilled!
Thank you for the support!
Wow I loved this video!! Great job and thanks for all your hard work Honda GURU'S!! Been patiently waiting for your new videos!! I will soon contribute and help out buying some shirts by you guys !!
most ppl talk, you just do it. Nice!
Reading my mind with how you talk point to point about this vehicle. Nice work! Audio gets lumpy around the 7:30 mark, but it doesn't matter this video is great! Thank you, Sir!
The new Type R looks like a Mattel collaboration gone horribly wrong.
To your point Mr. Harris, I bought a brand new FA5 generation Civic Si with the first bit of money I ever made. I loved it to death because it had the same high-revving K20 motor that was in the EP3 Civic Type-R that EVO raved about when I was in high school. Sadly we never got the EP3 in the states, so when the FG2/FA5 arrived I had to have it.
Drove the living daylights out of that FA5 and at 2800+ lbs fitted with stiffer springs, and sway bars it was a ton of fun on any backroad, or highway ramp. Lift-off oversteer was common as was scary levels of brake fade on any road where there was enough room to spend multiple corners above 5500 RPM. The new Type R doesn't match that buzzy, hyper-caffinated feeling of the old cars, and its way too expensive (albeit a better, fast car) for the people who'd go apeshit for it. For the money buy a Focus RS and throw the entire Mountune catalog at it, or buy a clean 996, 997, or e46 M3 and have a real driver's car. Honda does need the encouragement, so good work (?).
Let’s pull the motor! Lol yeah right... wait what... 😂
Scott Leisner thought he was jokin .......
Then 😲
According to some testers and owners, this type r has an overheating problem when driving enthusiastically. I can see why. They are using the same coolant to cool down every part of the powertrain, manual gearbox included. Like if having a water cooled headifold was not enough to overheat the coolant system... Overcomplicated powertrain design. And the water cooled oil in the gearbox still can't prevent the 2nd gear grind. I think the cooling system can't cope with the powertrain temps in sporty driving. Also the front of the car doesn't have enough air flow to the cooling system. Not enough air inlets. To help more the aerodynamics.
pokest225 It’s a real opportunity for the aftermarket.
VTEC Academy I’m waiting for the garage built type r with tons of crazy duct work
I've done a lot of mods on my R but the rear motor mount was one of the better one's I've done. When I had my 10th gen si I hated the rear motor mount. The car couldn't handle the extra NVH. The R eats it up
Oh yeah, that rear mount makes a big difference.
Super interested, but audio is totally screwed. can you guys fix and reupload?? Its literally putting my stereo into protect mode.
I mean you can make your CRX now AWD so why not the Type R. Everything is at our disposal now to make it the best that it can be. Thank You Hasport for your awesome Engine mounts I have a set on both my CRX and they are over 5 years old and no wear as of yet. Still going strong.
"Okay, let's pull out the engine!" - Hahaha-... oh wait, he isn't kidding... * subs *
Brian, thanks for these videos. I'm glad I support your company by buying your product. Respect!
Best of the best 2010 super street j series changed my Honda life thanks guys for all the engineering and Honda work... Honda for Life even when electric wins eventually
Mmmm... J series!
These guys are Old school vtec legend. Good work 👍
Got my coffee and my big chair. Been waiting for this one !
5 more coming.
no way! I also am having my coffee!
Will a high flow cat set off a CEL?
I love VTEC acedemys etc 👍☺
7:30 the audio starts getting bad
Yeah the mic caught some wind. I had to ride the volume knob because music was much louder than talking in this one.
Microphone was starting to go out. Has since been changed so newer videos will be smoother audio
Glad you're still with us, seen that horrible crash you were in, you have a guardian angel watching over you. nice video, I have been schooled indeed.
Very interesting! You make it look easy.
Great video!
Nice. Just bought a used civic for work but now the type R has peaked my interest. Coming from a old school American Muscle guy. Mid life crisis.....maybe. 😆
Ahahaha! At least you'll have fun
old skool, extremely well educated professionals ! Bravo
Brian is awesome, he is such a world of knowledge Very smart man and really knows his stuff when it comes to honda
Great sound track btw
12:35 & 14:17 - Adventures by A Himitsu
16:09 - No Barriers by Flynn Cranston
Nice 1! DJ Lobes
I have a soundcloud with 46 followers
DJ'ing for all the fans!
It's Tim the tool man! !
"I think we can do is to pull the engine out to have a look?" what? are you serious? for a brand new car? yes indeed they did, this guys are something! :)
Great work guys. 👍
Wow this is awesome. Subscribed.
That is an amazing video!, I thought you were joking when you said you'll pull the motor out, that was super interesting and detailed, so much great info, thank you!
The two motors don't look so different to me. It's a bit of an exaggeration with both manifolds on and an AC compressor vs the K20's stripped down look. The valve cover "cover" also adds some visual weight.
I hate when people say "I can't wait for someone to make ___ for this car". Why wait for someone else? We (companies) can't be experts in everything, but diversifying is never a bad thing. I'm sure Hasport has some CNC and 3D imaging equipment that could easily handle making small things like brake ducts. Obviously they'd need to invest in 3D printing, composite construction, or other methods to make the ducts themselves, but that's a small investment that could lead to more product development and future products to drive your company forward.
Jeffrey Ball those are engines not motors.🙂
One reviewer said the car handle so well it doesn't lack without all wheel drive
Awesome video. I have a 2018 Type R, and I really enjoy it...20 minutes gone in the blink of an eye. haha
I just got Schooled lol.
When he said pull out the motor, I just like. Wait... What ????
Thanks btw, great videos Sir
I hate these but sure enjoy an expert explaining them in detail, glad I found this channel.
Dude forgot to mention D series, in the right set up they are great looking motors.
What's a D series?
@@VTECAcademy Lol, only the best engine ever produced by Honda. The y8 head is vtec as well so y'all should know that single jingle masterpiece.
I can honestly see a 700hp+ 4wd being done soon.
Yep it’s coming🤔
So cool. I sent you parts many many moons ago when I worked for Ross at HAP Recycling.
Looks like the alternator and the A/C compressor will have to come out at the bottom, if it can clear the subframe
I have a dejavu, how can you know 5 years ago that a new type r will be named fl5?
Whoever edits the videos, please lower the volume of the music . It's annoying constantly having to lower or raise the volume depending on if music is playing or someone is talking.
We hear you.
VTEC Academy just kicked in yo!
Damn y'all inspected the ish outta that type R lol
I have red color one. There is 0% torque steer. Only time i realize its a FWD hatch is when youtubers remind me of it. Otherwise this is so well built vehicle, so unbelievable how well they built this thing. To get a clear idea about it just drive it for 2mins.
I hope Honda watches this video and read the comments to get some input.
let's see what's in this Type R. Uh the brakes need pipes going to them. It needs AWD, rips out the engine, the calipers are too big, it needs more camber, the intercooler is too small, Damn man Honda really Fuc*** up this car. These guys should be put in charge of the Type R subdivision. I'm pretty sure you can buy that as a crate engine but for racing only.
mamma mia
THIS IS A GRET VIDEO! CONGRATULATIONS FROM EUROPE! make more on the Type R!
hood scoop isn't for under hood temps, it's for downforce and turbulence control
Not according to Honda. Although one of the engineers admitted to me it didn't work for what it was designed for but it was too late in the process to change it.
your video editor needs to level the sound properly. The music is WAY too loud compared with the audio levels off the mic.
By far the most interesting fk8 video ever
This channel is awesome and I hope you guys keep up the work!
That coolant system... NOOOOOOOO!!!! Bosch ECU??? NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its a money maker come 10yrs I work on these on vdubs, shitty equipment for sure....but like I sed a money maker for Honda, the after market performance ppl will capitalize on this again, costing more money....
Thank you for making this vid. After going through the specs of this model, I actually like it a bit more. Especially if it sounds like theres room for modifying it. Now I wanna get one if it comes AWD in the future :)
Thank you Boss... Got some lots of info regarding Honda vtec rs... Time to buy one ..
Interesting.. space and rear suspension layout for AWD
I'm wondering is mugen or spoon will take advantage of that. Imagine a 500hp awd spoon fk8.
I should have bought Hasports adjustable mounts for my K24A2 CRX.
My dream car😭😭 I’m stuck with the fb2 mugen m200 for now 💀
Looks like the aluminium tray under the bonnet probably shifts water to the sides so the water doesn't sit or sucked into the engine just a guess.
always lube it up first, it makes it much easier to put in as demonstrated
If they make this All Wheel drive then by all means im sold!
maybe make mention of the ignition coils rusting from the rain getting in the hood scoop.