No one cares about your MUSIC? Give them a reason to.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2022
- As much as we care about our own music, it's difficult to accept that total strangers don't share that same enthusiasm about it. Last year I decided to change my mindset from asking people for favors to serving people with value to build trust. In this video, I'll talk more about how this has impacted my career as an independent artist, and how you can steal this mindset to build a community of people who actually care about what you're doing.
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Imagine Beatles, Metallica or Nirvana making youtube channel to build a community to gain more listeners for their music...
Fair. Now also imagine hundreds of great bands from those eras who got dropped from their labels because their A&R rep left the company or some other bit of bad luck. It wasn’t “good old days” for everyone.
@@jasondidner Agree. It's just a bit disturbing that artists have to think about the promotion as much as about making the art itself, if not more. Probably the label deals were not that awful with regards to that particular time aspect.
Solid philosophy you've arrived at, fully agree. What particularly resonates w me is freeing your music from the need to be financially successful on its own. This also can mean just embrace your day job, whatever it is. Less artistic angst will start positive feedback loop and counterintuitively might get you closer to where you want to be.
Ive fully embraced this and I’m stress free and happy in regards to making music..
I agree that being happy with your day job is a great way to be relaxed about your music, however I find that the lack of time to focus on music due to family and work is also a stressor...I feel like I'm not able to accomplish anything. I guess I need to work on efficiency..
Depends on job
None of my reasons are good enough. But I appreciate the sentiment.
Thank you!!!
So many useful tips here. I'm home. Thanks ❤
This resonates to me as being a small channel content creator and recording artist is a thankless position. I appreciate everyone who's supported me
Don't kid yourself. Back in the bad old days, you weren't "chosen," you kicked, clawed and pounded the pavement until someone gave you a chance. While success was certainly not guaranteed, tenacity and passion was rewarded. It was a game of attrition. Success was shared. Teams of creative people with a diverse array of strengths worked hard at turning a profit; which of course meant, more people heard your music.
In today's world, the "it's all on you" model isn't just bad news, it's catastrophic. Very few people have all the skill sets necessary to successfully develop an act and find an audience, including micro-niches. Even if you do have the skills, the time, money and effort spent doing the jobs of many only makes your music suffer.
IMO, we've thrown the baby out with the bath water in the name of "independence." The labels have been replaced with monoolistic behemoths like Spotidy, who believe THEY are the sole tastemakers. They decide the rules by which all must play. The so-called "industry" is a colossal joke at this point.
You are romanticizing an absolutely terrible system that existed before this one - one that literally ate itself due to its own greed.
The new system is also broken, and I completely agree about Spotify, but the fact remains we all have more control over our own body of work than ever before.
Yes, it takes more work. No one is coming to do it for you. But we all have the means to build our own following now even if we begin with zero industry connections.
You speak the truth, my friend. The proof is in the pudding. Music under the big bad old music industry was incredibly good. Most people's favorite artists were brought to their attention under that system, and those artists got paid. These youtube people (that's what they're really doing) ignore the thousands of lower rungs that existed on the ladder of success, back when a song was worth money. The new way of doing things does not work. There are countless musicians making amazing songs- some of them with mass appeal- that are getting nowhere. Lots of bands and musicians are hanging it up. To list the jobs that a musician has to do now would take a while. And all of these algorithm jockeys that tell people how to get listeners either became successful under the old way of doing things, or never even had success as an artist. I'm not aware of any exceptions. I even asked one of these fellows to point me in the direction of a band or two who had success doing what he was saying leads to success, and he angrily could not. Maybe one day people will tire of this rigmarole.
Also, the "it's all on you" model was just as viable back in the day, if not moreso. Daniel Johnston gave away handmade cassettes until he got picked up by a record company or whatever happened. The sooner we abandon this sunken ship, the better.
Yeah. There are pros and cons in the world we live in today and we just have to adapt.
Hey Jameson, In 4th April 2018, for the first time, I listened to a piece created by you called "Awake" from "What Dreams May Come" album. I find your music beautiful and appreciate what you are doing and what you have created so far. I'm saying these things because I think sometimes we (as audiences), listen and enjoy and appreciate. But never share our feelings with the creator. Keep doing this. World needs good music more than ever.
🙏🙏
Great video good sir
i love this video. i really really really love this video. thank you releasing this. i went through a similar revelation about a year ago and music has been WAY more enjoyable since.
I felt obligated to give a 👍, lol. Well done!
I came here because I was thinking about this subject. I have some jams on my channel but apart from a tiny audience nobody listens, so I wondered should I put more useful content up instead. But after I watched your argument I didn’t completely feel convinced for some reason, and I listened to some music of you tonight. I really find the music better than the TH-cam videos, sorry about that 😉. I am getting increasingly dissatisfied with most synth TH-cam channels that just talk about gear or production lessons,watching those actually distracts me from music. Whereas biting the bullet and just listening to your music even though you are a complete stranger to me, is more satisfying. My ears had to plough through the intense amount of reverb you use because I myself would prefer to dial it back a little bit. But once you listen for a while the ears get used to your style and,…. You make really good music.
You need a CPL lens to fight the reflections the light puts in your glasses.
Your music gives me goosebumps, a lot of endorfine/happiness hormones. You are touching our souls with your work...
thanks ! Yeah some kind of social karma exist for sure, even on the internet !
Glad for you, pretty sure your channel will grow big fast in the month to come.
Also congrats on the solid narrativ and video editing !
Loving these videos, and the humour 😉 ive known this is what needs to be done. Its just real hard to actually start..
I like what you saying. I'm personally not a "serious" "content maker"(🤣) so I mostly doing what I like when I like it and how I like it. But it's now. Many years ago I was so serious about my music that I couldn't even release anything. But at some point I understand that I need just to stop appreciate my "content" so much and be able to just share "not perfect" music. So in the end to be able to share my "content" with people I should just take less serious my music, myself, and everything 😊
Since I do find your content informative and enjoyable, I would like to give back a little. The first : your glasses are kept very clean in this video, sparkling clean, and your hair is def 2007. Now I am a product of the 70’s so my hair and glasses are disheveled, and I consumed a lot of Spaghetti-O’s (tm). As I looked into your glasses (warning: can’t un-see) I became hungry as I once was as a child for those tasty O’s. I had almost forgotten the craving.
The second : I totally forgot, I still want spaghetti-O’s.
Cheers!
"Just making music" is called a hobby. Work is work.
It can be a hobby. It can also be work. The monetary value one can pull from it varies wildly on several factors.
Todays Revelation: I knew you sounded familiar ...Billy Bob Thornton! 😮 🤣 I've been doing this since 1987, and have avoided things like Spotify at all costs. I've never made an actual living off of my music, but have never really wanted to. And after all this time, the only real money I've ever made are from the sound design efforts I've provided throughout the years. But in all honesty, I've watched YT since the very beginning. I've seen creators come and go, and your idea of building trust through service is an excellent idea ...That is if you can reach enough people that are interested. I like your music, and I like your sound design, but also just as important; your comedic style and personality are what keeps me hooked. Thanks for being you.
Wow, this video was a bit too good… Can relate to everything. I have been thinking about it a lot, I guess I have to somehow get the courage to make other videos than ”only” music videos. Now I have to finish a track … or maybe watch a lot of your other videos that looks very interesting. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and wisdom!
0:56 I never thought you sounded like Billy Bob Thornton, but the intro segment is much funnier when I imagine you're doing an Emo Philips impersonation.
Ok , I want to see more examples of 2007 hair!
WOW.... so far the more real and honest video seen around 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The only reason i listen to you and watch youre channel , is youre great tutorials on connecting eurorack and Moog keybords , and the knowledge i garner , and , as a top cherry , i like youre music - i really like you being you , honesty is the only thing i like about people !
This video is exactly something I have learned over the course of the past year, and something I need to keep reminding myself throughout building my music composition career! It's exactly why I am practicing making videos on TH-cam, building community both online and offline, and creating value outside of my music compositions.
Music is a lifelong process, and providing services for everyone can make it more profitable. However, providing services makes it more enjoyable for me! It is always about the people.
thx for sharing :) if i could be of some assistance. i recommend u keep ur bio's upto date. only takes a couple of mins and is the first thing someone sees. i noticed ur spotify bio talks of your album to be released in 2021
Wisdom and truth. Thank you.
This channel has easily become one of my new favorites very quickly!
I agree, you have to think outside the box . Marketing, TH-cam,....
The only downside is: It does take away some of time actually making music. But it's to only way to survive as an independent artist.
Enjoying these videos.
I always feel like the philosophical lessons are the most important to musicians.
Very timely for me. Thank you 🙏🏻
If your TH-cam and music thing doesn't work out, you could look for work doing voice overs for children's cartoons or dubbed anime. You seem to have a knack for that.
I love your humour and honesty, it really seems like you want to do this. I can tell you even if you had a number one hit it’s a tough out there today, trust me i know
Man your so awesome.
Love the videos and love the music.
Thanks!
Wow! I've been wanting to start a youtube channel for years and I think I'm finally ready to do it! Your message today is just what I needed to hear. I have acquired so much knowledge about music production by "just making music" for all these years I can't wait any more to share it!
Excellent video!
My mindset: I just like writing music in different genres and want to be a decent composer. Sometimes I even get paid to do that, which is already something that would have blown the mind of 15 year old me and that...that has been enough so far.
These kinds of videos are great for the community. There are often too many elephants in the room or perspectives that need not be shrouded in mystery or elitism. It’s important for others to learn about alternate pathways.
Thanks Keith! Long time fan of your and Hollie’s work btw
I'm glad that I found your channel. One of the few, very few music youtubers that I can tolerate. The over hyped personality etc. Keep up the good work, and authenticity
Luvya work mate 👌
Firstly, Merry Christmas. Secondly, If you're wanting to make a living from music, then any route to market has to be tried, until you find something that works. These days it's all about giving your audience a reason to notice you, providing value and entertainment in the form of content certainly makes sense. Being "relevant" also helps - it also depends on how much you want to sell your soul.
Yes!! Great video. It definitely takes consistency here on TH-cam. Always look forward to your videos!
on The TH-cam indeed
Wow we love this comment section under your videos - all habe full sentences. With a main message. A good one. You really reached out to a very nice target group 🎉
I just found your channel a couple days back and it's great. Good job, inspiring videosm. I'm looking forward to what's coming.
I like your use of green screen.
Man, love your content. Don’t remember seeing this kind of honesty and humbleness before in TH-cam or any social media really. Congratulations
Beer bottle. Matriarch. Empty frames. Staircase. I'm still trying to figure out this puzzle. WHAT DOES IT MEAN!? Also, have you considered pressing vinyl?
No vinyl for me. The roi is actually quite low considering manufacturing costs. It’s also quite the headache as an independent with all that can go wrong in the pressing process.
Very honest
Bro, I love your channel, keep up the good work! You inspired me to take another look at what I'm doing with my own music, and how I can be doing better.
I appreciate that man!
Just an observation on the clickbait title you have here. More accurate would be "no one cares about your music? Well its just a hobby. Give that up and be a youtuber." Which i agree totally. It would just look very bad if you came out and said that so you had to softball it in for your viewers. No one wants to hear the truth do they?
You're not alone in your disdain for this new style of lying. There's me and you, at least.
I agree. The music "business" is stressful because not only are you trying to get your music to compete with other major successful artists (to become the next platinum hit, for example...), but you are also doing it for profit and to make a lifelong career out of it. However, as long as you do this, you are always competing with no guarantee of success. Even well-known major artists release albums or songs occasionally that become commercial flops compared to something they released previously that became a hit. Then they'll come back with another hit to try to recoup from the loss and continue to stay relevant.
Anyway, freeing your music from the "business" side or the desire for financial gain will allow you the freedom to express your creativity the way you truly want to without competing with others. M9st importantly, it will relieve you of stress and make the process of creating music enjoyable again because you are making it the way you want to. Just be YOURSELF instead of catering to a trend or copying a style just to fit in with competitors. Then, you want have any reason to compare your music with anyone else's. It's unique and a way of expressing yourself. We are all unique as human beings.
So, I finally hit the subscribe button because I like what you talk about. I don't take my music as a money making machine. I take it as a medium to transport emotions and my way of experimenting. The reason for this is that I've never planned to make a living from my music. I was out of music for around 20 years because other things were important, for example finding new income after a serious knee disease or the birth of my daughter. The pandemic brought me back. But this does not mean that I plan to become rich by making music with a DAW.
Nevertheless, I talk about my music like you do. But I don't take TH-cam, I use my personal blog. And yes, it's really the case: If you give to your audience, you may receive. In terms of bedroom production, I think of Likes, Comments, Sharing. I'm fine with it. And so, I can connect to what you talk about.
(I hope you understand what I mean as I am no native speaker.)
This video is content-making jet fuel 🚀
Lol you kill me, these are great.
You’re not the only one. You should see that poor youngling.
Loving these big picture topics regarding art and creativity in the modern landscape. The feelings of frustration are real when you really believe in the art you create, but few other people seem to care. You make a very good point about value. My art has value to myself, but my art has not reached many like-minded people who would also value it. Maybe the key is providing value in other ways first, and eventually the art itself gains value in other people's eyes.
Your videos always get me thinking deeper... Thanks for putting out these great videos.
Thanks Ben 🙏
The more the tools are banal, the more banal ingenuity becomes. The genius from the past had no competition pretty much. There is one Stravinsky in every city right now, begging for attention, while masses are listening to hip-hop.
man, I love your channel, love the humor and all the information, sounds etc you give (for free 😎). One thing that really stuck with me is that even in the videos where you just show your instruments presets I can sense the great musical sensitivity you have as a composer. I am passing thru a rebirth as a musician/composer and I really resonate with your videos about the "administrative" part of our carreer.... keep the good work 💪🤘
Wise words 👏I was never able to generate income from music until I started doing lessons / recording / repairs / etc , and that wasn't until 10 years after I started taking music seriously. I think a lot of us would prefer to just make music. It would be a lot easier and more exciting for sure. Thanks for setting a good example and reminding us it was never going to be easy 🍻
Also are you on a different planet where it’s Christmas time?
Anyway, great video and very helpful insights. Thanks for doing what you do.
I am actually. Also, there are younglings year round.
He lives in the Southern Hemisphere and it’s Christmas there,
Have you read Amanda Palmer? It will blow your mind 🤭
I haven’t but will look her up!
@@JamesonNathanJones do it. It says basically the same like you, but in a different way. It will be an inspiration for you 🤗 I signed up for your newsletter and hope to hear more if your music soon ☝🏻🎈
You have good points there! I’ve been thinking about this lately. On what can I provide to people that would be useful and can help my music career.
I will keep an eye on your channel because you have really interesting content!
Also, I love your piano playing and also what you played on the Poly Evolver while there’s a 2 voice sequence running on another video.
Keep creating ❤
Very interesting and something I think is absolutely on point even if we don't realise or want to realise this is the case. 'Give' I really like that and will take that on board. 'Shifting the service mind set' awesome if nothing else that is what people should take away from this video.
Wow you do actually sound like Billy Bob Thornton. I’d never been able to put my finger on it until now.
You make a lot of great points. It’s not the reality we want but it’s the one we’ve got. I wonder what other avenues exist for those who aren’t TH-camr material? Or maybe we all are? In the same way that the stage has always accommodated many different personalities? Is Instagram and TH-cam the modern stage for musicians now?
I don’t know about Instagram anymore, but I am really enjoying the platform TH-cam provides. I certainly never thought of myself as “TH-camr material” either. I think the more you can incorporate your own personality the better. Most niches are pretty saturated, so the only thing unique I feel I have to offer is my personality and experiences.
@@JamesonNathanJones maybe instead of “TH-camr” we can be Musician on TH-cam”, lol. TH-camr feels like it has such connotations for me…
Great stuff. There are loads of music TH-camrs with less talent than you with large audiences. My observation is that they network with each other and piggy back off others to grow / steal new subscribers rapidly. I haven’t noticed you on other channels yet. Hope to see you contributing to other channels and growing your audience 👍👍👍👍👍👍
The music TH-cam community is fairly small, and the ones I’ve had contact with are really great. It takes time and a show of consistency to be counted among them. Nothing but respect for those who have been doing this consistently for years.
do you play live shows of any kind?
Not currently
@@JamesonNathanJones why not?
Just really don’t have much desire to at this point. I spent a solid 20 years performing in the classical world, so I’ve really enjoyed studio time and working on things in the lab the last few years.
This is the second video from you I've stumbled across this week. I really hope you don't turn out to be another one of those sleazy music marketers telling us the ''secret'' hacks of growing your fanbase: ' 'All you need to do is put 1, maybe 2, maybe 5 hours of your day aside for disingenuously liking and comment on 100 strangers Instagram posts a day. That's all!'- I haven't come here looking for hacks, I just want someone who looks and thinks like me so I don't feel so alone. So far I really like you, thanks
Oh, well you might want to skip my next video. It’s called “Sleazy Secret Hacks to Grow Your Fanbase”….. 😅 jk
No, I know what you mean. My channel is just me sharing things I’ve tried over the years and what has and hasn’t worked for me, whether that be in music production, synthesis, or releasing my own music. There may be hacky comedy skits from time to time though. 😏 Thanks for the kind words!
Dude... 34 ????
This "business", as 99% of all business, need networking to grow.... that's what you are doing, also, you are exposing to opportunities and creating something like a portfolio... so you can redirect prospects for reference, or just to be out there with more chances to get opportunities.
The World moves faster than anyone can adapt.. and it keeps accelerating. . . so this is dynamic and it changes almost every month (that's what she said)... so each one's own "algorythm" has to be dynamic too.
About a week ago, while my research about the "Sequential Pro 3 SE" the youTube's algorythm send me to your channel; seconds into the video, I knew it right then that you where BBT.
(About the research, I am happy to say that it is not only GAS, ok ok ok, well, it is GAS, but not all. At least I can now auto/justify to myself that I do require that most beautiful Synth)
bro ur hairstyle is straight out of 2007.
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Oh there's a worse word then cringey , ill just have a smidgen , it's so delish , those two words make my skin crawl , anyway great vid
moist
@@ralphashford9022 just a smidgen as it's so delish and moist
@@ralphashford9022beat me to it🤪
Interesting viewpoint, but I feel like this isn't universally applicable. There isn't a market for every musican to become a music teacher. I feel like this video (and the dozens saying the same on line) are an admission that "musician" is no longer a viable profession.
I am lucky in that I am an ameture and do not expect or need my music to ever make me a penny. But it's very disheartening to see so many on TH-cam saying "it's not a valid goal to try anymore"
I would find it much less disheartening if people started coming out and saying it like that. Music is not worth money right now. It should be, obviously. But if people can't even tell or admit where we are, there's very little hope of us getting somewhere better. I say we scrap the whole thing. TH-cam sucks, streaming doesn't pay and putting a song on the internet is like nailing a painting to a tree in the woods. Why not go back to what's real? At least it exists. We're all just feeding a giant machine that doesn't give us anything in return. Starve it.
Turn your hobby into a career and you'll have neither.
The only way not to think about commercial success of your music is to be a financial independent. Otherwise you'll have to "sell" one way or another.
Sending unsolicited links to your music is almost as bad as sending unsolicited dickpics. But there are always communities in social media (like genre specific) where people sometimes asking for a new music for themselves or for their playlists. This is where you should post your links. This is almost like zero efforts, but this will bring you plays, playlists and even followers.
That's a good tip. I, like most musicians throughout history, don't have the stomach for self-promotion. I'd much rather have a record label get my band's songs an average of 500 listens and keep the 50 cents, or whatever that comes out to, than have to do the job of a graphic designer, marketer, promoter etcetera. It's bad enough having to mix, master, and engineer your own crap. A song is worth about zero dollars, and people are trying to make money off music. It's absurd.
pro youtubers use google analytics to see what's the buzzwords and put it in the title plain and simple even if its just turn out to be a clickbait and as long as you are charming and providing some useful content or just being entertaining , managing to occupy the very short attention spans - then you are doing good.
I enjoy your humor , but I think some more upbeat style and sound effects could really proper your viewership ( and I totally don't say you should copy Andrew Huang)
Oh that’s news to me wish I had thought of that…. 😉
Upbeat style only works if you’re a genuinely upbeat person. If you aren’t it will come across as inauthentic, and authenticity is the most important thing. I’d rather build slowly but with the right people than try to be what I think people want to see. That’s a dangerous game.
@@JamesonNathanJones
sure , but first is exposure and viewing count - then retention of subscribers , one leads to the other ..
i've seen all kinds of styles of video's - some try to ride the current buzzwords , some will gain large viewership over time if they are quality and hold some useful thing people search for ..
have you looked up what are the keywords that bring viewers your channel ?
I think I was looking for some Pro-3 demos .
but I don't know if synth nerds alone can propel your channel .