Truely inspirational. This talk deserves way more views and comments. As a teacher I truly want to investigate the options of being part of a democratic school. Thank you.
I plan on one day either sending my kids to one of these schools or homeschooling. I want my kids to learn to form their own destinies, not just get shoved into a neat little box with everyone else.
Excellent presentation. Quite inspiring. I am studying to be an art teacher and we have been learning about ways to engage our students with more democratic practices within the classroom. This is a truly bold and innovative approach. Very valuable content...thank you.
I recently researched this topic of democratic schools and I’ve been thinking of putting my own spin on it by making school elections and student council truly mean something. I’m only a child, and the idea is only theoretical, but as I workshop it, I think I can make it viable.
you forgot one thing. if it's for 15 years you don't want to have to choose when you are 4 what you are going to study. I'm 15 and I haven't picked any kind of direction, well dropped out of history class, and French. (wanted French, but need biology and at my school you need to choose and still have French or German) I just have wayy too many interests. but I wouldn't like to only need to work in groups, I'm a procrastinator, and when I do everything alone I'm not disappointing anyone. I like to be creative, but my visions are never instant. so as an idea for a group project, no. I'm the only one who is able to understand it before it's completely finished. like a presentation about society, everyone pick obvi subjects like drugs, safety, the army, language, alcohol, autism etc, I picked dogs... you can be really creative in most projects. you just need to know HOW. break a small rule to be original. and if you don't know how important the rule is, explain your plans to the teacher and ask if it's OK. it usually is.. and don't say blue and red pill to kids. they don't understand. I don't understand, only know it's something from the matrix, which was apparently a big movie or something that now is blown in new life.
Imagine how cool it would have been if for the past 10 years or so, you were allowed full freedom to explore all those many interests. There may have been one or two that you really ended up getting into, and getting good at. You probably wouldn't be a procrastinator because you would have been free to pursue whatever you wanted to, whenever you wanted to, and would probably not ever have had a reason to procrastinate, because you would love whatever is was you were doing, or you wouldn't even have been doing it.
Hello. You're right. I don't see how a school model could fit everyone. If someone ever invented a system and said that it will fit everyone, I would highly doubt it. The problem today is that people usually believe that a school absolutely needs teachers, curricula and timetables. Sudbury schools are the proof that all these things are just a habit and they're not absolutely mandatory to make it in life. There are other options, and families should have the choice amongst various approaches, just like they have the choice amongst various restaurants.
something I forgot to say : children in sudbury schools play most of the time. you don't necessarily have to study in our schools. and somehow, they still grow up as responsible and effective people. they still develop the skills they truly need in life.
There's quite a bit ! For example, you can look at Peter Gray's studies, and Sudbury Valley School's books "legacy of trust" and "pursuit of happiness".
Perhaps you should look into Montessori schools. They take a similar democratic ed approach. Not as detailed as this but similar. Their students typically have high graduation rates, college matriculation rates, far more self sufficient than traditional students, and far more in tune with their own learning needs. The current American model is just responsive for most kids and is far more dependent upon measurement and assessment than experience.
to believe that traditional education route is bad for independence is to show that one doesnt understand the entire education system. i disagree that it doesnt prepare you for adulthood. that schedule and timetable you disapprove, is actually what prepares people for schedules, time management and the patience to sit through stuff...... these are important life skills. to even delude yourself into thinking that a 4 yr old and a 44 yr old should be equal is what is wrong with society today. yes the education system as it is needs twicks to better suite the changing world but..... it still works best. children should be allowed to be children.
You just confirmed my suspicions about these “Democratic Schools”. The type of language used by those who are pushing for this type of reform made it clear.
First, these democratic schools are pushed by many different people and organisations. You can't dismiss all of it, just because this guy said something inappropriate. Standard education is a torture to most kids and not only that. It doesn't meet the requirements of real life, it kills natural curiosity and enthusiasm, and disconnects you from your real self. And that old dysfuncional system is not the red pill for sure and it must be replaced with a better one.
Veneta Guneva I go by what is being pushed by the people in this particular video. And I never said the whole of it was bad. And I NEVER said I liked conventional education. I think modern education sucks. But that doesn’t mean throw any structure out the window. Letting kids wait till they’re older to learn how to read??? Why?? Cause that’s when the kid felt like it? Lame. What if the kid never feels like learning to read? Kids do need discipline (I don’t mean punishment) and structure. This also doesn’t mean that kids can’t have a say or learn at their own pace. Maybe we can figure out a happy medium, hmmm?
@@k8tdydsk886 "what if the kid never feels like learning to read" is the worst example I've ever heard. Yeah I bet illiterates just love not being able to understand their surroundings nor have access to their own culture. Sooner or later, kids want to read and write. They need help, and should be able to feel safe asking for it. And if one isn't motivated soon enough for your liking, encouragement is better than force. Like reading with them and stuff. The problem with our current system is that it breeds shame in not being fast enough for the curriculum. You don't get to learn by exploring for your own enjoyment, because you constantly have deadlines to meet for joyless, meaningless tasks. And if you fail to meet them, you're labelled, treated like a problem, and humiliated before your peers. It instills in us the notion that learning is unpleasant and exhausting. But if you've ever learned anything because you wanted to, or explored concepts with a friend, you'll know that it can be the most rewarding thing out there, and it's no wonder kids reliably seek it out where the environment facilitates it.
@@k8tdydsk886 maybe a kid will "never want to learn" but what is really counted as "learning" a kid might not want to come close to mathematics or physics but the kid would maybe love music, acting, etc. So, in my opinion there is no such thing as not learning. If a kid does not know how to do complex alzebra or state the laws of motion in 12th grade but could make great art, movies,music and has a good career and income in the future does litracy in traditional sence of having a degree even matter.
This is an interesting approach, but the video is full of misnomers about what he considers traditional education. Furthermore, he refers to no established research based theories of knowledge or pedagogies. Fatally, if you look beyond the buzzwords, it is not a teaching practice underpinned by peer reviewed research or established best teaching practice.
@@skye9308 He will benefit a lot if he study how Athens turned from a Jungle to a Kingdom and from a Kingdom to Democracy. Also, Ancient Greek Mathematics, Science, Philosophy and Democracy advanced simultaneously; their common factor was Reason.
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Truely inspirational. This talk deserves way more views and comments. As a teacher I truly want to investigate the options of being part of a democratic school. Thank you.
As a fellow teacher I feel the same!
Sjors Kattenbelt Update haha
I plan on one day either sending my kids to one of these schools or homeschooling. I want my kids to learn to form their own destinies, not just get shoved into a neat little box with everyone else.
amazing i just love the way of your presentation and expression
Excellent presentation. Quite inspiring. I am studying to be an art teacher and we have been learning about ways to engage our students with more democratic practices within the classroom. This is a truly bold and innovative approach. Very valuable content...thank you.
I recently researched this topic of democratic schools and I’ve been thinking of putting my own spin on it by making school elections and student council truly mean something. I’m only a child, and the idea is only theoretical, but as I workshop it, I think I can make it viable.
This is more than inspire video. As a teacher I always have found that there's no democracy in our public school
just the blue and red pills were switched XD
but, everything else, brilliant. urgent.
This was truly inspiring Ramin! Thank you.
bravo Ramin ! Yes to freedom and change from within first, and then to the outside
Truth is a social construct. Objectivity can only be determined by majority opinion.
No, pretty sure objectivity is when something is objectively true.
@Live Music your mom is a social construct.
beautifully said. loved it.
you forgot one thing. if it's for 15 years you don't want to have to choose when you are 4 what you are going to study.
I'm 15 and I haven't picked any kind of direction, well dropped out of history class, and French. (wanted French, but need biology and at my school you need to choose and still have French or German)
I just have wayy too many interests.
but I wouldn't like to only need to work in groups, I'm a procrastinator, and when I do everything alone I'm not disappointing anyone.
I like to be creative, but my visions are never instant. so as an idea for a group project, no. I'm the only one who is able to understand it before it's completely finished.
like a presentation about society, everyone pick obvi subjects like drugs, safety, the army, language, alcohol, autism etc,
I picked dogs...
you can be really creative in most projects. you just need to know HOW. break a small rule to be original. and if you don't know how important the rule is, explain your plans to the teacher and ask if it's OK.
it usually is..
and don't say blue and red pill to kids. they don't understand. I don't understand, only know it's something from the matrix, which was apparently a big movie or something that now is blown in new life.
In these schools, when you are four there is only play. This is true learning.
Imagine how cool it would have been if for the past 10 years or so, you were allowed full freedom to explore all those many interests. There may have been one or two that you really ended up getting into, and getting good at.
You probably wouldn't be a procrastinator because you would have been free to pursue whatever you wanted to, whenever you wanted to, and would probably not ever have had a reason to procrastinate, because you would love whatever is was you were doing, or you wouldn't even have been doing it.
+Subhidevi I would still procrastinate. even if it's something I love. I have a really short focus span. but getting started is the real problem..m
Hello. You're right. I don't see how a school model could fit everyone. If someone ever invented a system and said that it will fit everyone, I would highly doubt it. The problem today is that people usually believe that a school absolutely needs teachers, curricula and timetables. Sudbury schools are the proof that all these things are just a habit and they're not absolutely mandatory to make it in life. There are other options, and families should have the choice amongst various approaches, just like they have the choice amongst various restaurants.
something I forgot to say : children in sudbury schools play most of the time. you don't necessarily have to study in our schools. and somehow, they still grow up as responsible and effective people. they still develop the skills they truly need in life.
So good.
Too sad that there isn't ennough statistics to mesure the true efficacity of those schools.
There's quite a bit ! For example, you can look at Peter Gray's studies, and Sudbury Valley School's books "legacy of trust" and "pursuit of happiness".
Perhaps you should look into Montessori schools. They take a similar democratic ed approach. Not as detailed as this but similar. Their students typically have high graduation rates, college matriculation rates, far more self sufficient than traditional students, and far more in tune with their own learning needs. The current American model is just responsive for most kids and is far more dependent upon measurement and assessment than experience.
We don't need statistics to know the value of a school. Education is not measurable.
just check your inner feeling, what feels best, this kind of school, or the "classic" kind of school? :))
@@helloholahi please don't decide you're views on gut feelings. This is an issue not to be taken lightly.
to believe that traditional education route is bad for independence is to show that one doesnt understand the entire education system. i disagree that it doesnt prepare you for adulthood. that schedule and timetable you disapprove, is actually what prepares people for schedules, time management and the patience to sit through stuff...... these are important life skills. to even delude yourself into thinking that a 4 yr old and a 44 yr old should be equal is what is wrong with society today. yes the education system as it is needs twicks to better suite the changing world but..... it still works best. children should be allowed to be children.
My mom won’t let me go because she thinks I won’t learn anything
This is not about democratic education. It is an ad for Sudbury school.
"This is not about democratic education. It is an ad for democratic education" wow, very intelligent statement.
You just confirmed my suspicions about these “Democratic Schools”. The type of language used by those who are pushing for this type of reform made it clear.
First, these democratic schools are pushed by many different people and organisations. You can't dismiss all of it, just because this guy said something inappropriate.
Standard education is a torture to most kids and not only that. It doesn't meet the requirements of real life, it kills natural curiosity and enthusiasm, and disconnects you from your real self. And that old dysfuncional system is not the red pill for sure and it must be replaced with a better one.
Veneta Guneva
I go by what is being pushed by the people in this particular video. And I never said the whole of it was bad.
And I NEVER said I liked conventional education. I think modern education sucks. But that doesn’t mean throw any structure out the window. Letting kids wait till they’re older to learn how to read??? Why?? Cause that’s when the kid felt like it? Lame. What if the kid never feels like learning to read? Kids do need discipline (I don’t mean punishment) and structure. This also doesn’t mean that kids can’t have a say or learn at their own pace. Maybe we can figure out a happy medium, hmmm?
@@k8tdydsk886 "what if the kid never feels like learning to read" is the worst example I've ever heard. Yeah I bet illiterates just love not being able to understand their surroundings nor have access to their own culture. Sooner or later, kids want to read and write. They need help, and should be able to feel safe asking for it. And if one isn't motivated soon enough for your liking, encouragement is better than force. Like reading with them and stuff.
The problem with our current system is that it breeds shame in not being fast enough for the curriculum. You don't get to learn by exploring for your own enjoyment, because you constantly have deadlines to meet for joyless, meaningless tasks. And if you fail to meet them, you're labelled, treated like a problem, and humiliated before your peers. It instills in us the notion that learning is unpleasant and exhausting. But if you've ever learned anything because you wanted to, or explored concepts with a friend, you'll know that it can be the most rewarding thing out there, and it's no wonder kids reliably seek it out where the environment facilitates it.
@@k8tdydsk886 maybe a kid will "never want to learn" but what is really counted as "learning" a kid might not want to come close to mathematics or physics but the kid would maybe love music, acting, etc. So, in my opinion there is no such thing as not learning. If a kid does not know how to do complex alzebra or state the laws of motion in 12th grade but could make great art, movies,music and has a good career and income in the future does litracy in traditional sence of having a degree even matter.
This guy is not talking about democratic schools. Read Henry Giroux.
This is an interesting approach, but the video is full of misnomers about what he considers traditional education. Furthermore, he refers to no established research based theories of knowledge or pedagogies. Fatally, if you look beyond the buzzwords, it is not a teaching practice underpinned by peer reviewed research or established best teaching practice.
I suggest him to study Greek History in order to find his answers.
Until then he will not be able to define his target.
What target are you referring to?
@@skye9308
He will benefit a lot if he study how Athens turned from a Jungle to a Kingdom and from a Kingdom to Democracy.
Also, Ancient Greek Mathematics, Science, Philosophy and Democracy advanced simultaneously;
their common factor was Reason.