I had a pretty bad wreck at high speed with a Bell Vortex...I slid on my face. No concussion, lost the visor and scraped off some paint...for $45 the helmet did a great job. I have an Arai but haven't looked forward to another 100mph crash with a torn rotator cuff!
This channel is fantastic! Professional, knowledgeable, articulate, and thorough! I Find all of the videos extremely enlightening. Keep up the great work canyonchasers.
The man did say alot but he did mention materials used... Between the cost of helmets, the outer shell materials are what drive up the cost... Inner protection is a about the same I think, with some dual-density stuff and a few other tricks for protection
Impact protection is just one aspects of a safe helmet. It needs to provide good vision, good ventilation, good protection from rain or cold, good weight. etc etc.
Another factor in more expensive helmet comfort is that if fatigue and distraction. A helmet with pressure point, one that doesn't ventilate well, one that wobbles in the wind, or one that is heavy due to cheap materials can result in distraction from fiddling with the helmet or fatigue which can lead to slower response times.
Sounds like a long shot to me.... Lighter might be better but due to cheap materials might be off the path... I asked about a simple question on the ice-chest-foam liner that is in all helmets, because it is what allows the brain cushion before slamming into the skull in a crash.
I employed your face the zipper into the bend technique today. What an experience! I was smoother and in 100% control. Thanks so much for these videos.
Great points and I think you are correct on this. Buy from a good quality/reputable manufacturer and you should be good to go. I owe my life to AGV from a crash 22 years ago so to say I have some brand loyalty is an understatement. Love your vids, keep up the good work!
Here's your quick answer: Buy Shoei, AGV or Arai if you want the safest full-face, 1-piece helmet. And racers don't just wear whatever they get for free... they are VERY particular about their gear and its quality. They ARE a good metric... they battle test this gear more than anyone.
You cant determine safety by brand. Yes, the more premium brands may have different features in them but the amount of people that purchase a helmet that is the wrong size is a big problem, another of which is the fact that loads of them dont know how to even put on a lid properly but wont accept help from someone trying to advise them.
HJC have helmets varying from very budget models all the way to race models,. the differences between those 2 specific models are substantial. I wont deny though that HJC is the largest manufacturer of motorcycle helmets in the World.
Best thing to do is check the Sharp ratings. Some fancy & expensive helmets only have 3 stars whereas a much cheaper helmet can have 5 stars. Do your research and you'll not make the mistake equating price with protection.
Only thing I could argue is that cheaper helmets use cheaper materials. And the problem with that is that the foam inside the helmet is often less good at staying in shape on cheap helmets. So the fit of the helmet deteriorates faster on cheap helmets. But that is based on my own experience and a very small sample size.
Safer? Think so, but no crash is the same and could create difference injuries. But in terms of passive safety, YES! If your helmet is comfortable, fits well and is quiet, you can concentrate better and the better you feel, the safer you ride. And expensive helmets are also better build. So screws don't get lost, visors don't rattle, ventilates better, pinlock etc...it all ads up to passive safety.
Good information. I got a more expensive helmet because of aditional features like removable liners, great ventilation an neutral aerodynamics. Those features help me on every ride. So I like to wear that helmet. It already protected my face from bug strike multiple times.
You would be a genius if you stopped riding now while you are ahead. My buddy was selling his sportsbike- took one last ride, last year. He had a new family, baby, great new job, and things were looking up for a change. That all ended when he impacted the back of a truck that was stopped in the slow lane. State vehicle doing construction work. He was also going too fast. Today only one arm works- and that is it. He never leaves his bed or wheelchair and pain is constant. Docs won't even call him back anymore. Nothing they can do and they said he will only get worse- never better. He was a good looking dude in his 20's...and a pretty good rider. Had full gear on too. Stuff happens out there. Before you think I don't get it, I rode 20 years and I LOVED it. No major accidents at all- I was more lucky then good. Do learn about counter-steering though. Never ride one handed (almost got me-.hit a bump and throttle hand twisted to hold on.) Install a steering damper. Riding became my life. I felt cool and accepted. I've never really been either. Everyone loves a biker. I went to a bar once and before I even sat down, a women bought me a rose- great feeling. No, I was shy and did not close that deal. The bike made me feel good though- rides with friends, etc. I like the bike Rallies too. I know you will not stop- especially because some idi*t on YTbe says so. I really hope you stay safe. These days people do not know how to drive- they text, they turn left in front of us, etc. As much fun as it is, it's not worth the risk. Find a safer hobby. Cheers!
Sharp - the Helmet Safety Scheme, testing is quite extensive, some more budget helmets outshine some expensive helmets... but getting one that fit properly is the mos important factor
Summary: Looks for helmets that are approved than just DOT, the fit is the most important part, comfort is very important. Higher end helmets used in professional racing are the safest bet, but there could be others of much less price that do nearly or equivalent of the same job. The more seals of safety like SNELL the better.
DOT just isn't enough. I always tell people, don't necessarily look at the brand, look for a Snell rating (in the US). HJC makes affordable helmets that are Snell rated.
@@ianh43 You should look up how a DOT helmet gets certified. It's based on a faith based system. Meaning the manufacture self certifies. It's complete bullshit. I would never trust it unless it was a well known brand that has a lot to lose by cheating on the DOT certification (i.e. Arai, Shoei, Bell, AVG, etc.)
The question should be: "why safer helmets need to be expensive ?" Technology has been evolving and continuously being adapted by mainstream helmet manufacturers!
I like the take that at some point more expensive helmets are better because they're being used by people who care for their equipment. I'm getting ready to thread the needle on trying to find a safe helmet with a small budget. I'm a beginner rider on a Honda FT500. I'm not a high need for speed guy, I expect 55mph is going to be my top speed. Does anyone have thoughts on LS2 for a first helmet, and upgrading to AGV when I have more cash on hand? LS2 meets DOT and ECE, but doesn't score very well in UK SHARP assessments. That said, reviews I've seen note that they seem better than others in the cheap end.
We did this video right before the Sharp thing caught on, so with that said, I would encourage you to pay attention to it. It's a great metric. A large percentage of head injuries come from crashes at speeds less than 55kph (35mph). That is to say, my best advice is to get the best helmet you can swing. If it was me, I'd probably start with the AGV.
@@CanyonChasers thanks for the advice. I assume with corona virus my MSF class is going to come later in the season. More time to wrench and make sure I'm ready to ride smoothly. And more time to save and get a nicer first helmet. Lower-end AGVs do seem like the right compromise between safety and budget. Glad to know that sharp system is worth paying attention to. And thanks for replying, I figured it was a shot in the dark asking questions on an old video.
Snell more rigid, focused on helmet been able to sustain multiple impacts BSI focuses on force transmited to the riders head DOT self certified with no oversight
While I agree that Racer’s always wear the most expensive helmets because they can no afford to make a mistake, this by no means does it verify that they are there for the best helmets, they are often locked into a specific brand because of team sponsorships. Part of what makes these helmets so expensive is that they must cover the cost to get their product visible. Certainly you want to stay away helmets that are made from Polycarbonate, and replacing you helmets after spill that even just scratches your helmet, it needs to be replaced if the helmet is more that 5-7 years old. Good helmets are the cheapest insurance in rider safety.
"Certainly you want to stay away helmets that are made from Polycarbonate" - bollocks. That would be a half or more of a line-up for most manufacturers. " and replacing you helmets after spill that even just scratches your helmet" - another myth.
Just buy MT helmets. Especially for trackdays. Where arai or shoei start at 300euro, MT thunder2 roadster only cost 59euro and I can tell from multiple experiences they offer trumendous protection. Also there is a SHARP test that shows they are very good helmets. For me no expensive trackhelmets anymore...
4:25 the shockwave of the material helmet looks just like the shockwave the head makes when shot by ashotgun at close range. Yes true seen it. Gross, gnarly, efascinstjng, even sad for the victim. It's instant still seems painful and frightening
The US Department of Transportation allows helmet manufacturers to self certify with no oversight to verify standards are being met. So why bother making people wear DOT "certified" helmets?
I have been riding bikes since the 80`s and find it disgusting that a clear cut certification has not yet been clarified, and as anything in life IT STILL seems to be directed to MONEY, I feel very vocal on this subject as governments/manufacturers are still not being truthful and it is surely it is TRULY about time the whole category shenanigans is cleared up, my son bought a helmet that looked stylishly great but the construction was abysmal, please bear in mind he was only riding a 125 his first indocturin to biking at 17 year old here in the uk but it is new riders who will really pay the price for LIES and underhanded manufacturers tricks. I am annoyed at the helmet industry and ask, could the big companies see fit to sell a decent helmet to the next generation of bikers by sponsoring/logo in bold print to advertise there helmets and reduce the cost to the new breed of learners:) PPS i was born when supposedly we landed on the moon are you telling me manufactures cannot make a SAFE HELMET at a decent life preserving price, PMSL.
i have to disagree here on a few points, and i would like your views. i can buy a Agv k5 plain for say £200 but Agv k5 with graphics costs £340, so im only paying for graphics considering they are the very same helmet with the same padding and comfort, Now regarding Arai, Agv, Shoei, shark, Icon and other top manufacturers i think they are guilty of this and their prices are more orientated this way rather than its safety. however then there is LS2 who over brand their helmets and the price for an LS2 with less branding and more graphics also costs more. i belive its the only reason top helmet manufacturers can justify the heavy price tags.
Well yeah. Graphics (and the added price that come with them) do not make a helmet better. But a plain white $300 helmet is likely going to be of a higher quality than a plain white $80 helmet. :)
I brought a Rjays for $200 rubbish!! ended up getting a Bell RS-1 $400 less wind sound way better fit & anti fog excellent helmet. So my advice is to do your research before buying a helmet. & don't cheap out..
It can't happen, your head can't bend far enough to break the neck. The helmet would hit your body first preventing your neck from moving more. Your body would also naturally rotate with your head in a slide.
Every time you take the helmet off your head you should replace it. Just the pressure of your head compressing the liner will compromise it for future use. Please send the $1000 to me and I will send you your replacement helmet.
Watching this video after trying to prove to my dad his $20 Helmet would way not be as safe as my $100 one...uggg I have lost this one I think. Actually thought paying more got you more safety
I call absolute BS at what he said 2:16. Perhaps there are other factors playing into those stats. Helmets and certainly in the case of decent quality Helmet A vs. decent qualtiy Hemet B does basically NOTHING to prevent concussions. NOTHING. I got a mTBI years ago and have studied this subject (and Engineering.) I have also read many books on this topic. A well fitted, secured, high quality brain bucket can do an excellent job at preventing you from cracking your skull. You should wear one. To think for a second they will prevent a concussion is misleading. The only disclaimer I will make is that if you wore no helmet at all, then everything would be worse- much worse. The concussive forces however would not change much. Some newer helmets claim to diffuse some of the impact energy by turning. That "might" help but only slightly. Not enough at all IMHO but better than nothing I guess. The brain floats like an egg inside a very hard skull full of impact ridges. When you stop suddenly that soft brain, the consistncy of soft butter slams into the inside of your skull. That is where the damage happens. If it twists that makes things much worse. That is called the dreaded diffuse axonal injury. You really don't want that. Hurt the brain stem and you will be lucky if you survive, but you will likely never thrive again. It often leads to paralysis, coma and/or death. Nothing good. In fact, you do not even need to physically impact something to get a brain injury. Blast injuries (changes in pressure), roller coasters can come close, extreme shaking and even extremely hard breaking can have an impact. The best solution by far, stop putting yourself in situations where you need a helmet. Now that is winning. I don't ride anyhmore. A brain injury can really mess you up- trust me. Years later and I am still not the same. Not fun.
It's kind of amazing that closed cell foam is still the material of choice. Because of all the attention that football concussions has received lately, we are starting seeing some super cool new stuff. Plus, we've learned more about the impact of rotational forces. If you are into it, start down this rabbit hole; th-cam.com/video/TpnzubtUX3s/w-d-xo.html
You shouldn't be allowed to give your opinion on TH-cam. Your advice is dangerous for the general public. Please tell me what government body you are referring to since their are many.
YES!!! But not everyone can afford an Arai or Shoei. Buy a helmet that fits your head SIZE AND SHAPE!!! Composite is better than Polycarbonate shells for sliding. Bar none. A Snell rated helmet is better at impact protection than a DOT rated helmet. A smoother rounder shell is better than a super aggressive shape as it reduces chances of creating extra forces on your head and neck while sliding.
That's why you SAVE up for a helmet in the $500 range. If were able to save up enough to buy the motorcycle you can save a few more bucks for the one item that can save your life. I put off riding my first bike for 3 weeks just to save enough on my paychecks to buy a Shoei helmet.
@@DoomFinger511 I bought a Helmet before I ever sat on a bike. You though sir are in a huge minority of new riders. I've seen it all at the gear shop I work at. I've even seen experienced riders learn about WHY more expensive helmets are better in most ways.
@@s70driver2005 Maybe it was because I got introduced to riding by taking the MSF course. They taught me the importance of getting the right helmet first. I went back and forth to Cycle Gear 3 times, getting my head measured, trying on all these different helmets and watching Revzilla reviews until I finally decided to shell out $700 on a Shoei rf-1200 with a photochromatic lens. In hindsight I'm glad I did it. My dad took the route of buying 3 different helmets under $200 each for different situations. For almost the same investment I have just one helmet that works in every situation.
@@DoomFinger511 you got the right helmet for what YOU needed. While I can argue all day about why Arai is the best helmet that doesn't mean it works the best for ALL riders. When i fit someone in a helmet i ask a variety of questions to get them in the best helmet that fits their needs, comfort, saftey and budget. I wish everyone would/could buy an Arai or Shoei but that isn't always the case.
@@s70driver2005 I was really torn between the Aria and Shoei. The Aria was super comfortable. The only reason I went with the Shoei was because it offered the photochromatic full lens shield. The Aria only offered a photochromatic pinlock insert which still let light bleed in from the corners. If the Aria had the full shield option I would of gotten it instead. However I also looked at the Scorpion EXO-420. It was $150 and SNELL rated. Only helmet I found under $300 that had a SNELL rating.
You people can keep drinking the Shoei and Arai and AGV Pista Kool-Aid. I'll get a bargain helmet (and be just as protected) and spend that thousand I just saved on booze and strippers instead. Or maybe feed a small country if I'm in a happy mood. :)
@@CanyonChasers yeah I agree 999 out of 1000 Haha.. new sub btw :) good vids man and also love the Ducati hoodie, I'm 24 just got my 1198 this week in love haha
the answer or no. dot is dot. Snell is Snell. ece is ece. all the extra money your paying for is name brand, how light the helmet is, features, noise level, longevity(maybe), ventilation, visibility, and arrow dynamics. As for protection its all the same. a $150 Snell helmet has the same protection as a Snell helmet that cost $500. I personally think some people look like a fool dressed like they going to the track with a full suite on when they just going for a ride. I personally would not buy a helmet for $50, unless its on sale and from a reputable brand.
Not necessarily. A big aspect could be the materials that the shell is made out of. Best example, Shoei's AIM+ shell. It has a much better abrasion resistance and overall integrity than any poly carbonate shell. I wont deny that Polycarb shells are much better than they were in the past. but quite simply saying that a helmet that costs £150 compared to a more premium one at £500 is no different when it comes to safety however you are correct on the field of extras. Liners, Aero Dynamics, ventilation and even visual design all add to the price. But it also comes down to how you define 'safe'
That is indeed correct however it still meets that standard. If you just look at the certified standard then you cant really compare the lids properly. There are many functions. No one forces anyone to buy a premium helmet but they are more feature rich and more expensive for a reason. There will always be a purchase premium for a brand name. whether its boots, gloves, jackets or trousers too, doesnt mean they are not that expensive for a certain reason....well, unless its RST, then you just get ripped off.
One thing bothered me about this video... He tried to use the fact that SS racers all used higher priced helmets... Well of course they do... they are getting paid by the makers of every piece of gear they are wearing (Sponsors)... not only do they get all that gear (Helmet included) for free... but they get paid to wear it because every dumb schmuck out there that is a SS racer wannabe will go out and buy the same helmet. Its a sales pitch.
I think you missed the point. Yes, it's an opportunity for a manufacturer to showcase their best gear. But what happens to a companies reputation if their helmet has a high fail rate. Look at Jorge Lorenzo. He had so many problems with HJC helmets failing to survive a single race that he eventually had to switch to another brand. And no team is going to leave anything up to chance. There is far more to be lost with an injury or a lost championship than there is to be gained from a moderately sized (comparatively) endorsement paycheck.
Professional riders don't just take any old helmet because it's free. They are still very particular to make sure it is safe and comfortable. They aren't going to risk losing a race and/or getting injured just for a free $500 they could easily afford anyway.
What is best protective great, in order of most and best, or as most neede** ahh nvrmnd. Answered in the next video I watched. But this good fyi for they voted.
The moral of the story is don't buy helmets that are no name brands with only a DOT certification. Either get an expensive helmet or a cheap well known one with SNELL and/or ECE rating like the Scorpion EXO-R420 (which is SNELL rated and cost $150)
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I had a pretty bad wreck at high speed with a Bell Vortex...I slid on my face. No concussion, lost the visor and scraped off some paint...for $45 the helmet did a great job. I have an Arai but haven't looked forward to another 100mph crash with a torn rotator cuff!
This channel is fantastic! Professional, knowledgeable, articulate, and thorough! I Find all of the videos extremely enlightening. Keep up the great work canyonchasers.
The man did say alot but he did mention materials used... Between the cost of helmets, the outer shell materials are what drive up the cost... Inner protection is a about the same I think, with some dual-density stuff and a few other tricks for protection
I like this guy, straight talking, no bullshit - just great advice. Subbed
My thoughts exactly.
Impact protection is just one aspects of a safe helmet. It needs to provide good vision, good ventilation, good protection from rain or cold, good weight. etc etc.
Another factor in more expensive helmet comfort is that if fatigue and distraction. A helmet with pressure point, one that doesn't ventilate well, one that wobbles in the wind, or one that is heavy due to cheap materials can result in distraction from fiddling with the helmet or fatigue which can lead to slower response times.
Sounds like a long shot to me.... Lighter might be better but due to cheap materials might be off the path... I asked about a simple question on the ice-chest-foam liner that is in all helmets, because it is what allows the brain cushion before slamming into the skull in a crash.
I employed your face the zipper into the bend technique today. What an experience! I was smoother and in 100% control. Thanks so much for these videos.
Great points and I think you are correct on this. Buy from a good quality/reputable manufacturer and you should be good to go. I owe my life to AGV from a crash 22 years ago so to say I have some brand loyalty is an understatement. Love your vids, keep up the good work!
Thanks. An AGV saved my wifes life, so It's hard to not have some affinity for a brand that performs exactly as it says it will. :)
2:45 incredibe how such a relatively small area of contact can provide do much grip to support such speeds and weight, with so much angular momentum.
FIM approved helmets are more expensive than most helmets, and FIM racing homologated standards are higher than Ece, Sharp, or snell.
I ended up finding a good deal on an Arai... I feel so much safer and comfier than in my out of date, Bell.
Man you elaboration is just great...thanks a lot.
Here's your quick answer: Buy Shoei, AGV or Arai if you want the safest full-face, 1-piece helmet. And racers don't just wear whatever they get for free... they are VERY particular about their gear and its quality. They ARE a good metric... they battle test this gear more than anyone.
Ben King-Eagles You forgot Schuberth, X-Lite, HJC and Nolan.
You cant determine safety by brand. Yes, the more premium brands may have different features in them but the amount of people that purchase a helmet that is the wrong size is a big problem, another of which is the fact that loads of them dont know how to even put on a lid properly but wont accept help from someone trying to advise them.
HJC have helmets varying from very budget models all the way to race models,. the differences between those 2 specific models are substantial. I wont deny though that HJC is the largest manufacturer of motorcycle helmets in the World.
What about SCHUBERTH?
Best thing to do is check the Sharp ratings. Some fancy & expensive helmets only have 3 stars whereas a much cheaper helmet can have 5 stars. Do your research and you'll not make the mistake equating price with protection.
4:46 most extensive helmet test ever...seems legit.... kek
5:55 and likely to be worn more being that it fits properly and is comfortable.
Only thing I could argue is that cheaper helmets use cheaper materials. And the problem with that is that the foam inside the helmet is often less good at staying in shape on cheap helmets. So the fit of the helmet deteriorates faster on cheap helmets. But that is based on my own experience and a very small sample size.
That would be our experience too
Informative and well summarized. Thank you!
Safer? Think so, but no crash is the same and could create difference injuries. But in terms of passive safety, YES! If your helmet is comfortable, fits well and is quiet, you can concentrate better and the better you feel, the safer you ride. And expensive helmets are also better build. So screws don't get lost, visors don't rattle, ventilates better, pinlock etc...it all ads up to passive safety.
Exactly. I actually don't like the word "safe." IMHO, safety is an illusion. All we can really do is reduce risk or exposure to risk.
Good information. I got a more expensive helmet because of aditional features like removable liners, great ventilation an neutral aerodynamics. Those features help me on every ride. So I like to wear that helmet. It already protected my face from bug strike multiple times.
You would be a genius if you stopped riding now while you are ahead. My buddy was selling his sportsbike- took one last ride, last year. He had a new family, baby, great new job, and things were looking up for a change. That all ended when he impacted the back of a truck that was stopped in the slow lane. State vehicle doing construction work. He was also going too fast. Today only one arm works- and that is it. He never leaves his bed or wheelchair and pain is constant. Docs won't even call him back anymore. Nothing they can do and they said he will only get worse- never better. He was a good looking dude in his 20's...and a pretty good rider. Had full gear on too. Stuff happens out there.
Before you think I don't get it, I rode 20 years and I LOVED it. No major accidents at all- I was more lucky then good. Do learn about counter-steering though. Never ride one handed (almost got me-.hit a bump and throttle hand twisted to hold on.) Install a steering damper.
Riding became my life. I felt cool and accepted. I've never really been either. Everyone loves a biker. I went to a bar once and before I even sat down, a women bought me a rose- great feeling. No, I was shy and did not close that deal. The bike made me feel good though- rides with friends, etc. I like the bike Rallies too. I know you will not stop- especially because some idi*t on YTbe says so. I really hope you stay safe. These days people do not know how to drive- they text, they turn left in front of us, etc. As much fun as it is, it's not worth the risk. Find a safer hobby.
Cheers!
Who are these helmet experts we should consult before buying our next helmet please sir?
This is high IQ stuff. Upper echelon information. Thumbs up. Subscribed. And I bought a tshirt to support you guys.
Sharp - the Helmet Safety Scheme, testing is quite extensive, some more budget helmets outshine some expensive helmets... but getting one that fit properly is the mos important factor
my life was once saved by a Airoh GP500 that fit to my head perfectly.. had I used 1 size larger, I'd have at least suffered a concussion
Aright, how do you know this?
You give great explaining in your subject matter
Summary: Looks for helmets that are approved than just DOT, the fit is the most important part, comfort is very important. Higher end helmets used in professional racing are the safest bet, but there could be others of much less price that do nearly or equivalent of the same job. The more seals of safety like SNELL the better.
There are stupid expensive helmets with no protection out there, like Hedon.
DOT just isn't enough. I always tell people, don't necessarily look at the brand, look for a Snell rating (in the US). HJC makes affordable helmets that are Snell rated.
I like your response snell is the best thing to look for in a helmet in the US in my opinion
And for geting ECE certification every production batch is tested prior delivery. If batch fails (~2000 units) then it's written off.
@@ianh43
You should look up how a DOT helmet gets certified. It's based on a faith based system. Meaning the manufacture self certifies. It's complete bullshit. I would never trust it unless it was a well known brand that has a lot to lose by cheating on the DOT certification (i.e. Arai, Shoei, Bell, AVG, etc.)
The question should be: "why safer helmets need to be expensive ?"
Technology has been evolving and continuously being adapted by mainstream helmet manufacturers!
Nice! Another piece of great information
5:40 dropping helmet is like getting kicked in the nuts
Totally brilliant website....really intelligent comment and great information. Thanks!
I like the take that at some point more expensive helmets are better because they're being used by people who care for their equipment.
I'm getting ready to thread the needle on trying to find a safe helmet with a small budget. I'm a beginner rider on a Honda FT500. I'm not a high need for speed guy, I expect 55mph is going to be my top speed. Does anyone have thoughts on LS2 for a first helmet, and upgrading to AGV when I have more cash on hand? LS2 meets DOT and ECE, but doesn't score very well in UK SHARP assessments. That said, reviews I've seen note that they seem better than others in the cheap end.
We did this video right before the Sharp thing caught on, so with that said, I would encourage you to pay attention to it. It's a great metric. A large percentage of head injuries come from crashes at speeds less than 55kph (35mph). That is to say, my best advice is to get the best helmet you can swing. If it was me, I'd probably start with the AGV.
@@CanyonChasers thanks for the advice. I assume with corona virus my MSF class is going to come later in the season. More time to wrench and make sure I'm ready to ride smoothly. And more time to save and get a nicer first helmet. Lower-end AGVs do seem like the right compromise between safety and budget.
Glad to know that sharp system is worth paying attention to. And thanks for replying, I figured it was a shot in the dark asking questions on an old video.
4:46 WTF?! 🤣🤣
Snell more rigid, focused on helmet been able to sustain multiple impacts
BSI focuses on force transmited to the riders head
DOT self certified with no oversight
One thing people over look when buying a helmet is color. High Viz Neon is most visible to the human eye.
While I agree that Racer’s always wear the most expensive helmets because they can no afford to make a mistake, this by no means does it verify that they are there for the best helmets, they are often locked into a specific brand because of team sponsorships. Part of what makes these helmets so expensive is that they must cover the cost to get their product visible. Certainly you want to stay away helmets that are made from Polycarbonate, and replacing you helmets after spill that even just scratches your helmet, it needs to be replaced if the helmet is more that 5-7 years old. Good helmets are the cheapest insurance in rider safety.
Racing is advertising. No different than seeing blender being used in the mall.. It is all a live performance of your product...
"Certainly you want to stay away helmets that are made from Polycarbonate" - bollocks. That would be a half or more of a line-up for most manufacturers.
" and replacing you helmets after spill that even just scratches your helmet" - another myth.
I don't look at price tag. I look at the safety scores.
It's always weird that these guys look like they're taking to us yet actually looking and talking at the camera being it's an iinsnament object.
Great video got the cheapest snell and ese rated helmet that fit.
Just buy MT helmets. Especially for trackdays. Where arai or shoei start at 300euro, MT thunder2 roadster only cost 59euro and I can tell from multiple experiences they offer trumendous protection. Also there is a SHARP test that shows they are very good helmets. For me no expensive trackhelmets anymore...
we may need to design helmets according to our head size for maximum protection.
4:25 the shockwave of the material helmet looks just like the shockwave the head makes when shot by ashotgun at close range. Yes true seen it. Gross, gnarly, efascinstjng, even sad for the victim. It's instant still seems painful and frightening
I used bell when I started racing as a kid and kinda stuck with them but everyone is saying there not that good anymore
Bell is not a bad helmet by any measure. They aren't thought of as a premium like, say, Arai or AGV or whatever, but I would wear one. :)
Did anyone notice they used DoitwithDan's footage at 3:48? Oh BIlly!
+The Bunny lol I caught that!
Pretty sad that you can’t even depend on a D.O.T helmets
Short answer, no.
More expensive = more brand + possibly more comfort
DoT and Snell baby
3:37 sure wish they'd show more of the scenes
The US Department of Transportation allows helmet manufacturers to self certify with no oversight to verify standards are being met.
So why bother making people wear DOT "certified" helmets?
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Good info
I have been riding bikes since the 80`s and find it disgusting that a clear cut certification has not yet been clarified, and as anything in life IT STILL seems to be directed to MONEY, I feel very vocal on this subject as governments/manufacturers are still not being truthful and it is surely it is TRULY about time the whole category shenanigans is cleared up, my son bought a helmet that looked stylishly great but the construction was abysmal, please bear in mind he was only riding a 125 his first indocturin to biking at 17 year old here in the uk but it is new riders who will really pay the price for LIES and underhanded manufacturers tricks.
I am annoyed at the helmet industry and ask, could the big companies see fit to sell a decent helmet to the next generation of bikers by sponsoring/logo in bold print to advertise there helmets and reduce the cost to the new breed of learners:)
PPS i was born when supposedly we landed on the moon are you telling me manufactures cannot make a SAFE HELMET at a decent life preserving price, PMSL.
i have to disagree here on a few points, and i would like your views. i can buy a Agv k5 plain for say £200 but Agv k5 with graphics costs £340, so im only paying for graphics considering they are the very same helmet with the same padding and comfort, Now regarding Arai, Agv, Shoei, shark, Icon and other top manufacturers i think they are guilty of this and their prices are more orientated this way rather than its safety. however then there is LS2 who over brand their helmets and the price for an LS2 with less branding and more graphics also costs more. i belive its the only reason top helmet manufacturers can justify the heavy price tags.
Well yeah. Graphics (and the added price that come with them) do not make a helmet better. But a plain white $300 helmet is likely going to be of a higher quality than a plain white $80 helmet. :)
I brought a Rjays for $200 rubbish!! ended up getting a Bell RS-1 $400 less wind sound way better fit & anti fog excellent helmet. So my advice is to do your research before buying a helmet. & don't cheap out..
anyone know how often the base of a helmet gets caught and snaps the rider's neck? Or if that's even a legitimate concern?
I've never heard that happen lol
It can't happen, your head can't bend far enough to break the neck. The helmet would hit your body first preventing your neck from moving more. Your body would also naturally rotate with your head in a slide.
If you drop a $1000.00 helmet do you have to replace it ?
yup
Depends on the type of drop lol. if it just falls off the bike per say with out your head in it no you will not need to replace it.
Every time you take the helmet off your head you should replace it. Just the pressure of your head compressing the liner will compromise it for future use. Please send the $1000 to me and I will send you your replacement helmet.
Nope; If the foam inner liner is not dent inward, why would you want to change it unless you are the guy selling him the new helmet?
helpful video thanks
What badass Dainese jacket is that at 5:55?
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3:47 why is it the rider spun out and lost texting?
Watching this video after trying to prove to my dad his $20 Helmet would way not be as safe as my $100 one...uggg I have lost this one I think. Actually thought paying more got you more safety
No real DOT confirmation on DOT helmets. Super-neato.
I call absolute BS at what he said 2:16. Perhaps there are other factors playing into those stats. Helmets and certainly in the case of decent quality Helmet A vs. decent qualtiy Hemet B does basically NOTHING to prevent concussions. NOTHING.
I got a mTBI years ago and have studied this subject (and Engineering.) I have also read many books on this topic. A well fitted, secured, high quality brain bucket can do an excellent job at preventing you from cracking your skull. You should wear one. To think for a second they will prevent a concussion is misleading. The only disclaimer I will make is that if you wore no helmet at all, then everything would be worse- much worse. The concussive forces however would not change much. Some newer helmets claim to diffuse some of the impact energy by turning. That "might" help but only slightly. Not enough at all IMHO but better than nothing I guess.
The brain floats like an egg inside a very hard skull full of impact ridges. When you stop suddenly that soft brain, the consistncy of soft butter slams into the inside of your skull. That is where the damage happens. If it twists that makes things much worse. That is called the dreaded diffuse axonal injury. You really don't want that. Hurt the brain stem and you will be lucky if you survive, but you will likely never thrive again. It often leads to paralysis, coma and/or death. Nothing good.
In fact, you do not even need to physically impact something to get a brain injury. Blast injuries (changes in pressure), roller coasters can come close, extreme shaking and even extremely hard breaking can have an impact.
The best solution by far, stop putting yourself in situations where you need a helmet. Now that is winning. I don't ride anyhmore. A brain injury can really mess you up- trust me. Years later and I am still not the same. Not fun.
so DOT is a rubbish certificate?
I don't put any weight behind it.
Does anyone out there today make a helmet that does not use 'ice chest' material as the main part of the inner protection?
It's kind of amazing that closed cell foam is still the material of choice. Because of all the attention that football concussions has received lately, we are starting seeing some super cool new stuff. Plus, we've learned more about the impact of rotational forces. If you are into it, start down this rabbit hole; th-cam.com/video/TpnzubtUX3s/w-d-xo.html
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as these helmets have been through testing procedures.
The most effective helmet, is the helmet that is worn.
I'd never buy a Helmet if it doesn't have SHARP 4 or 5 star rating.
I bought a modular LS2 helmet which has 4 star SHARP rating which is pretty damn good for the price (
the sticker on the back shows the helmet is aproved by the health & safety guidelines of the government body. thats what matters most i believe.
You shouldn't be allowed to give your opinion on TH-cam. Your advice is dangerous for the general public. Please tell me what government body you are referring to since their are many.
Check out the Sharp Helmet Ratings.
YES!!! But not everyone can afford an Arai or Shoei. Buy a helmet that fits your head SIZE AND SHAPE!!! Composite is better than Polycarbonate shells for sliding. Bar none. A Snell rated helmet is better at impact protection than a DOT rated helmet. A smoother rounder shell is better than a super aggressive shape as it reduces chances of creating extra forces on your head and neck while sliding.
That's why you SAVE up for a helmet in the $500 range. If were able to save up enough to buy the motorcycle you can save a few more bucks for the one item that can save your life. I put off riding my first bike for 3 weeks just to save enough on my paychecks to buy a Shoei helmet.
@@DoomFinger511 I bought a Helmet before I ever sat on a bike. You though sir are in a huge minority of new riders. I've seen it all at the gear shop I work at. I've even seen experienced riders learn about WHY more expensive helmets are better in most ways.
@@s70driver2005 Maybe it was because I got introduced to riding by taking the MSF course. They taught me the importance of getting the right helmet first. I went back and forth to Cycle Gear 3 times, getting my head measured, trying on all these different helmets and watching Revzilla reviews until I finally decided to shell out $700 on a Shoei rf-1200 with a photochromatic lens. In hindsight I'm glad I did it. My dad took the route of buying 3 different helmets under $200 each for different situations. For almost the same investment I have just one helmet that works in every situation.
@@DoomFinger511 you got the right helmet for what YOU needed. While I can argue all day about why Arai is the best helmet that doesn't mean it works the best for ALL riders. When i fit someone in a helmet i ask a variety of questions to get them in the best helmet that fits their needs, comfort, saftey and budget. I wish everyone would/could buy an Arai or Shoei but that isn't always the case.
@@s70driver2005 I was really torn between the Aria and Shoei. The Aria was super comfortable. The only reason I went with the Shoei was because it offered the photochromatic full lens shield. The Aria only offered a photochromatic pinlock insert which still let light bleed in from the corners. If the Aria had the full shield option I would of gotten it instead. However I also looked at the Scorpion EXO-420. It was $150 and SNELL rated. Only helmet I found under $300 that had a SNELL rating.
A whole lot of umms lol
You people can keep drinking the Shoei and Arai and AGV Pista Kool-Aid. I'll get a bargain helmet (and be just as protected) and spend that thousand I just saved on booze and strippers instead. Or maybe feed a small country if I'm in a happy mood. :)
My Bell Vortex did an awesome job!
In answer to the title .. 9 times out of 10 yes.
Or more accurately, 99 out of 100 times. :)
@@CanyonChasers yeah I agree 999 out of 1000 Haha.. new sub btw :) good vids man and also love the Ducati hoodie, I'm 24 just got my 1198 this week in love haha
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the answer or no. dot is dot. Snell is Snell. ece is ece. all the extra money your paying for is name brand, how light the helmet is, features, noise level, longevity(maybe), ventilation, visibility, and arrow dynamics. As for protection its all the same. a $150 Snell helmet has the same protection as a Snell helmet that cost $500. I personally think some people look like a fool dressed like they going to the track with a full suite on when they just going for a ride. I personally would not buy a helmet for $50, unless its on sale and from a reputable brand.
Not necessarily. A big aspect could be the materials that the shell is made out of. Best example, Shoei's AIM+ shell. It has a much better abrasion resistance and overall integrity than any poly carbonate shell. I wont deny that Polycarb shells are much better than they were in the past. but quite simply saying that a helmet that costs £150 compared to a more premium one at £500 is no different when it comes to safety however you are correct on the field of extras. Liners, Aero Dynamics, ventilation and even visual design all add to the price. But it also comes down to how you define 'safe'
What rubbish. Something can pass the Snell test by an inch or a mile.
That is indeed correct however it still meets that standard. If you just look at the certified standard then you cant really compare the lids properly. There are many functions. No one forces anyone to buy a premium helmet but they are more feature rich and more expensive for a reason. There will always be a purchase premium for a brand name. whether its boots, gloves, jackets or trousers too, doesnt mean they are not that expensive for a certain reason....well, unless its RST, then you just get ripped off.
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Nice vid
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The new technology coming to helmets is truly amazing. I think we're on the cusp of some big, much welcome, improvements.
Expensive helmets usually have features like Bluetooth or made out of expensive materials like carbon fiber.
People don't cheap out and buy a $200 helmet, $500, $700, $1,000 isn't shit for your health.
One thing bothered me about this video... He tried to use the fact that SS racers all used higher priced helmets... Well of course they do... they are getting paid by the makers of every piece of gear they are wearing (Sponsors)... not only do they get all that gear (Helmet included) for free... but they get paid to wear it because every dumb schmuck out there that is a SS racer wannabe will go out and buy the same helmet. Its a sales pitch.
I think you missed the point. Yes, it's an opportunity for a manufacturer to showcase their best gear. But what happens to a companies reputation if their helmet has a high fail rate. Look at Jorge Lorenzo. He had so many problems with HJC helmets failing to survive a single race that he eventually had to switch to another brand. And no team is going to leave anything up to chance. There is far more to be lost with an injury or a lost championship than there is to be gained from a moderately sized (comparatively) endorsement paycheck.
Arai claims that it doesn't sponsor riders past getting them a helmet for free. So, it's not all that simple
Then why is there no Schuberth in MotoGP?
Getting shit free, is sponsorship.
Professional riders don't just take any old helmet because it's free. They are still very particular to make sure it is safe and comfortable. They aren't going to risk losing a race and/or getting injured just for a free $500 they could easily afford anyway.
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What is best protective great, in order of most and best, or as most neede** ahh nvrmnd. Answered in the next video I watched. But this good fyi for they voted.
Told me nothing!!!!!.
What do you need to be told? We tried to give you information to make your own decision, and then implied the decision we came to.
The moral of the story is don't buy helmets that are no name brands with only a DOT certification. Either get an expensive helmet or a cheap well known one with SNELL and/or ECE rating like the Scorpion EXO-R420 (which is SNELL rated and cost $150)
This is why dot ratings exist.
তুমি আমার বালের সমাধান দিছো.you gave us a bullshity solution.
Just because you didn't understand or he didn't have same point of view as you, doesn't mean he gave a "bullshity solution".