Charles Tart - What are Altered States of Consciousness?
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I'm currently reading his book "altered states of consciousness" . It's in an unbelievable book to have on your hands for those on this journey.
I had read "States of Consciousness" 50 years ago while I was experimenting with a variety of psychotropic drugs. Tart wrote intelligently and cogently (as he demonstrated here) about the subject.
Great scientist. He misses though important point lining up prayer and telepathy. Because obviously we know that other people exist and telepathy cases may be if true (and indeed in many cases were beyond doubt) verified.
But prayer wherever you believe in ESPs or not requires God/s to hear it that we can't know that even exists the same way as we are confident that other people or let's say lions in Africa must exist.
It's politically incorrect but certainly true that Telepathy is far more certain to exist than After Life not the other way as Descartes believed because
1 Telepathy is useful in Darwinian context -After Life requires God
2 Unless you are philosophical nonsense like Everett Many Worlds proponents
Quantum Theory predicts Telepathy given that as multiple Anton Zeilingers EPR experiments has proven Space literally isn't real ( if one tries to save locality in the Sean Carroll manner he exchanges Space isn't real for society isn't real)!
This of course doesn't mean "Moon isn't real"(or Life could not evolved on Planet Earth) but rather Space meaning distance and location is emergent.
3 Orch Or has now massive neuromolecular data supporting it from Anirban Bandyopadhay and Stuart Hameroff teams as well as explanations for how consciousness vanishes under anesthesia and coma like a blew off flame and that Psychodelics are opposite of Anesthesia better than any other Theory.
Nevertheless although it certainly supports some kind of interconnected cosmic mind "Quantum soul" doesn't hold much water even if Orch Or is true.
But Telepathy does!
And was proven in animals by Rupert Sheldrake!
Although I agree he's deeply controversial in his Mágico Lysenkoist version of genetics, dog experiment was done with scientific rigour and Materialists often just lied about it. Look Theory of Everything interview with Rupert.
But we should certainly cease to be anthropocentric because although Telepathy and Quantum Non-locality are apparently real "Inteligent Design" certainly isn't! Appendixes, wisdom teeth, laryngeal nerve loop throat making possible to choke by small epiglottis malfunctioning.
We homo sapiens are certainly nothing but animals with slightly higher IQ.
So we shouldn't talk about "human consciousness"
"The mind does things that the brain cannot do." How fantastic that a man of intelligence can share his insights with us.
That's like saying your voice can do things that your throat can't. Please.
@@andreojala8402 Great thought stimulating answer. The throat is flesh while the voice is not.
@@usmansheikh7717 Thanks for commenting! The brain is indeed that which is the operator of its consequent function: the mind. It's pretty much the same with the throat/voice analogy that you were kind enough to respond to. Thanks.
@@andreojala8402 The main argument is whether the mind is the one controlling the brain to command the throat to create voices, or it is the brain that creates the mind so that the mind can then command the brain to command the throat to create a voice. Personally, the first one makes more sense to me...
@@a.tavakoli Yet every single evidence so far indicates that the brain creates the mind. Brain tumors, brain injuries, epilepsies, brain degenerative diseases, deposition diseases, dementias, focal cortical dysplasias etc etc all affect the mind in an extraordinary way. Materialistic is the only way we can prove. Everything else is woo woo
I read Charles 70's book during my own grad studies in the 90s, it was the right kind of puzzling, and i'm happy to see that the beacon still shines... PS who's the interviewer? He's really on top of things
Very intelligent, thought-inducing conversation
I think I could listen to at least a couple hours of these two. Thank you both.
studio 2020 definitely Charlie for sure!!👍👁🙏
The key to understanding this question is a balance of radical open mindedness, unbiased research into the nature of consciousness, being, and reality from a myriad of sources from different eras and geographical areas, and most importantly, DIRECT EXPERIENCE. When there are reports around the world throughout thousands of years talking about an ineffable transcendent experience that can be accessed directly, don't just sit there trying to rationalize and speculate. Actually go and have this experience for yourself! There exists hundreds of thousands of methods and techniques across hundreds of cultures and traditions around the world. If you are really serious about actually verifying this stuff for yourself, look into the field and history of psychedelics, as they very likely the most effective and powerful tool to access these higher states of consciousness directly.
Tart is a brilliant guy!
Two different types of Transcendence can be defined, 1.Exclusive Transcendence 2.Inclusive Transcendence of that which is Transcended
I don’t know who he is. But certainly I like him, and his flow of thoughts
I love Charles Tart..he's so clever and knows his stuff..he is certain consciousness continues after death. I love listening to him talk. Gives me hope.
Ended up buying his book on altered states of consciousness after listening to paul stamets(sorry if thats wrong spelling) on a joe rogan podcast.
So far im liking it.
That's the right spelling....I was lucky enough to meet Paul Stamets :)
Where’s you buy it & for how much? I can only find it for $300. :/
@@melinaduffy4978 I don’t recall off the top of my head. I didn’t pay for than $30 though
@@melinaduffy4978 Kindle version for about $8
So true, so true. I wish I could meet someone else who has experienced this.
You can! Through books and independent research! I can point to a great source here on TH-cam called actualized.org. If you are serious about it, approach this from a position of open mindedness. Don't take anything at face value but rather, be able to consider radical new possibilities and be committed to verify things for yourself! I hope you find this useful! ❤
I don't know why it's so difficult to see the difference between physical cells and sequences of neurochemical patterns. They both obviously exist however, one of these isn't "made of something".
You will never find a bunch of neurons identifying as a "self" but you can recognize patterns of activity that collectively correlate with an individual having a sense of being.
Simple explanations are always best
Enlightenment is an increase of awareness. As your awareness increases, your reality shifts. Master Thyself
I can assure you, anyone who is claiming superior enlightenment has surely not "reached it".. Declaring superiority itself is a glimpse into SOME type of internal void..
Arrrrh you must go through the void ever before you see the light ?? 1st there is the dark .the void black as black ?2nd you dont declare it u own it as a right of passage as it shows in your glow u dont need to it shows ? .amen
Enlightenment isn't transcendence like Robert puts it, it's all-encompassing, all-engulfing, all-spark.
The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali address this spectrum/continuum specifically.
I was thinking of the same
Thank's for an enlightening insightful discussion Charlie Tart!!!🙏👁👌😉
Excellent 👊🏼🙏
Damn those glasses Tart wear is cool!
I very much agree with the notion that there is more to mind than just the brain and am frankly quite tired with mainstream science of "the Real"(r) claiming monopoly over the truth, instead of simply admitting to being able to provide only a partial answer and failure in explaining a range of phenomena, consciousness being probably the most important one.
Over the last few CtT videos (mainly in interviews with philosophers, psychologists and some physicists) I noticed the dicussion going around and gently sidestepping a Word that Cannot Be Spoken; an element, that, to me, if taken into consideration, fills many gaps and answers many questions. The missing element I'm speaking of is Spirit. I propose Spirit should be taken into account as one of the elements of our physical reality, but one operating at a level we cannot yet fully (or even partially, for that matter) understand, especially not with the tools within our reach or without broadening our horizons and changing our approach in examining reality.
I specifically used the word "spirit", because "soul" has very unfortunate religious connotations and I am not referring to anything related to any notion of religion. Instead I am referring to an energy in the universe, that drives the life of conscious beings, that is the "man inside the brain watching the film" of our subjective reality, source of our conscience, compassion, empathy and consciousness. A physical thing beyond our comprehention in terms of analysis, but to which we are strongly (and obviously) connected.
Well said brother! Wellll said!!
+Not a Number Go on... I like what you said. It is going somewhere. Thumbs up.
+Not a Number What happens to this spirit when people have massive brain damage?
When this happens to people they appear to no longer have their personality or awareness.
jagara1 Just to be clear - I'm not claiming I've got all the answers, I'm just proposing a "slight" paradigm shift ;) , so that we can understand the universe and ourselves more completely.
Regardless, yours is an interesting question. To my understanding, the relation between Spirit and the body (including the brain) is mostly utilitarian, meaning, that the body serves as a "vessel", not unlike a car for the driver. If the vessel is broken, the Spirit might not be able to use it, which to us might look as lack of awareness, catatonia, etc. There are, for example, studies, that suggest that at least some people in coma, though completely unresponsive, may actually be conscious - in some cases aware of their situation, in others complely unaware, i.e. possibly in a dream-like state.
+Not a Number - Conciousness is what is known as 'the hard problem" in science. This is because it very difficult to define.
As an IT developer as well as someone who used to meditate and experience what are known as dyhana states(states of 'higher conciousness' when in effect parts of the brain shut down and other parts become more active) I always find it very interesting when people talk about 'artificial intelligence". The first point I always make to these people is that in order to really create AI you need to first define what conciousness is. It is at htis point where these people look at me and realise they don't even know where to start.
I see conciousness more as something that is along a spectrum - so as a child one has a much less well developed awareness than one generally has as an adult.
Occasionally one may be luck enough to experience an heightened state where perhaps an autumnal setting is perceived with great clarity and the beauty one perceives is in effect merely a more pronounced refinement of senses and perception one already has.
I think 'spirit' and 'soul' fills in a gap in our experience and provides some comfort.
Buddhism has had some very interesting things to say about conciousness, in particular that because one can only look at conciousness from a point of view of conciousness one can never fully understand it. It's a bit like trying to measure the 'true' length of a ruler by using the ruler itself.
Just out of curiosity, about when was this video filmed? The video is obviously quite modern, but Mr. Tart seems to be quite a bit younger. 90's? Early 2000s?
I need this right now.. I’m always in my mind thinking.. I can’t even focuc/live in the present moment just like when I was a child.. I wonder if there’s any organic way of practice to be mindfulness permanently.. Help!!! I just want to be happy again..
Try vipassana meditation. Its a buddhist type of meditation that brings your mind in the now, and more importantly, gives you insight in the workings of the mind and the nature of reality.
My former landlady is a pompous know-it-all who sternly discounts the possibility of any kind of transcendent state of mind. She is an atheist and a strict empiricist who looks down on anyone who speaks of a broader spectrum of awareness and existence. Oh, and she is a dedicated alcoholic. So maybe she gets credit for believing in one altered state.
How appropriate that spiritually naked people like her tend to drown out that emptiness by consuming overstimulating poisons. The universe is nothing if not beautifully poetic.
Noe Berengena LOL @ the phrase "Dedicated Alcoholic "
Now, that would be the starting point .
Alcohol is the anaesthetic of choice for cognitive dissonance.
If she is an Alcoholic, she is sick. That is the starting point as was already stated. She can use some prayers. For some Alcoholics depending on what stage they are at not drinking is not an option anymore. Physically, Mentally and Spiritually .Unless they go to a detox so they can be medically monitored.Prayers and compassion.
Don't worry about her. The world is full of know all ignoramuses. There is an exciting world of consciousness discovery out there. The adventure in science and spirituality is starting its most exciting chapter.
I experienced altered state of cousciousness all the time , u don’t choose it it chooses u
He's talking about raising the frequency within human form. THAT can lead to enlightenment, but isn't actually enlightenment. Enlightenment is a very subtle state in which a person merges their consciousness with creation and eventually God. You experience yourself AS creation and simultaneously nothing. Creation as a whole is light. Everyone is enamoured by the light, but the most significant part of enlightenment is the darkness/nothingness from which the light springs. Enlightenment IS endarkenment, but not how he describes. What he is referring to as endarkenment is just generating thoughts/emotions using lower frequency energy centers within the body. Enlightenment happens when you transcend the thought patterns that keep you from existential bliss....once you learn to generate it (gratitude, tears of joy) you blow out the top of your head and become one with creation and God. Christos means "anointed one" messiah means "anointed one" you become ONE with it all.
"I and my father are ONE" John 10:30
Be Christos 💓🙏
I have his book right next to me lol
Enlightenment is not an improvement, it's the concequence of the removal of psychological ailments, which are btw not considered ailments by the standard societal worldview.
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When was this recorded?
Hudson Neuro yesterday
Hemy Sinc thchnology can get you to meditate like a guru in just 2 hours!
Who are these people? What are their names I would like to know
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I think Mr. Tart's reply is lacking.
How does he teach mindfulness and then admit he doesn’t know what it feels like because he’s never achieved it?
From a meditative point of view normal consciousness is an altered state!
I just in to it... Does anyone can help?
Enlightement.
Mr. Charles.. uhm... i have a few questions to ask you. I think i need your help.
You asked the right butt -Charles Tart 3:12
a lot seems to be going over the interviewer{s head.
Trust me ...most people are not ready for the Truth! Not in this hypocritical soceity we live by.
U are talking mind over matter?. I yoused this powers of positive thinking. As energy is fluent . To guide me through my life .. enlightenment is the light bulb uerika Momet ? Of being in the flow at one in the universe god and the cosmos.. on a sprit level . ? As sprit is light light is all there's the key to space travel time travel and intet galactic travel. And only sprit can travel around in speed of light (?.to get in to sprit buoy must go out of body mater. In to sprit form . To experience alterd state.. , it is the way
. Blessings .
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Contrary to the opinion of some, we know so little about the brain and the myriad of ways it functions. Like Jon Snow, we "know nothin"" ... well actually a little something. Personally I believe all the answers reside there and will eventually be discoverable --- but right now the science of the brain is in its' infancy, if actually not in a very very early fetal state.
Consciousness is not a brain activity, it's the brain activity that's the consciousness. I wonder how many people are getting it)
3:50 ... ah ok, that's why San Fransiscans and Portlanders don't mind the poo in their street, Enlightenment !
🤔🤔🤔Talk Talk Talk AND NO TECHNIQUE😱
stop moving the camera!!!!!!!
Holy shit i reach this state when i am high as fuuuck. If you are highly educated and want to reach this state, get weed to tip you over the edge.
Oh shit, now i have become the guy who is literally the online weed advocate
11:22 to 11:28 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So 7.5 billion people on earth and not one is demonstrably enlightened but yet he is confident people in the past acheived enlightenment. He can't describe the characteristics of an enlightened mind other than its basically a cognitive superpower.
Some bloody wishful thinking going on here, isn't there?
@William Baker: "7.5 billion people on earth and not one is demonstrably enlightened . . ." (?) How can you possibly know that (?) It's demonstrable that you CAN'T possibly know it. Some bloody wishful thinking (or non-thinking) on YOUR part . . .
@@QED_ The burden on proof is on those that claim it's existence. Just like with big foot and UFOs, saying they could exist but there is no evidence is circular logic. Science doesn't deal in conjecture.
@William Baker: You should simply say: "I personally have not seen evidence of an enlightened person" . . . rather than your unsupported generalization: "7.5 billion people on earth and not one is demonstrably enlightened . . ."
@@QED_But that isn't my point. My point is, I have not seen one and nor has anyone else produced any evidence of one.
What's your problem with this? You are arguing for arguement's sake. Do you wish enlightenment to be real so badly that you are prepared to entertain fictions?
@William Baker You're just repeating your mistake: ". . . nor has anyone else produced any evidence of one". You simply don't KNOW that. It's an unjustified CLAIM on your part. Now I, for my part, have in fact seen evidence . . . but I'm not asserting here that there IS evidence, because I'm more modest and rational in my comments in this TH-cam context than you are. BTW, your descent to ad hominem is despicable: "Do you fear enlightenment to be real so badly that you are prepared to entertain fictions (that you know it doesn't exist) (?)"
Seems lazy and useless!
If you are seeking enlightenment,turn to the God of the universe who created all things,it is there that you find the true meaning of life.