I'm SO glad you're championing OPR. It's so good in a million ways. My group play Firefight (the Killteam version of the ruleset). The ruleset alone has encouraged my hobby so that I now have ~7 teams fully painted over the last 2 years.
Never forget that several of D&D's most iconic monsters of the first edition (rust monster, owlbear, bullette, etc) were actually just designed after cheap Taiwanese plastic knockoff "dinosaur" toys that Gary Gygax found at a discount store. Never a problem with reusing, recycling, fabricating, and looking for new ways to use things, even non-hobby stuff. Model builders have been doing this for many years and it's good that more and more tabletop wargaming players are picking it up too (especially w/ the advent of 3D printing).
I am old enough to remember when Miniatures where sold by weight and not by a stat line. I am more and more into the AGNOSTIC RULE SETS, buy miniatures from whomever for multiple game sets. And now that I am older I am also more into the rule sets that allow solo play. I am also loving the new age of being able to buy STL files and print what I want to use. I am not a fan of GW and how I feel it negatively changed how we buy and use miniatures and how it uses us by making stuff obsolete forcing us to have to buy new rules and models every year or two.
One more thing which has to be said about GW is that back in the day they were super supportive of the ideas of the communities behind their games but nowadays they're sometimes really anti-consumer, anti-community and anti-fun.
@@honzabalak3462 That's when the company was run and staffed by people who played games. Now it's an investment portfolio owned by a bank. Late stage capitalism, baby.
Mantic doesn't require the use of Mantic minis in their tournaments. A friend showed up to the Adepticon Kings of War tournament with a full Chinese Terracotta Army. It was glorious.
+1 to this actually very good practice. I've never got round to it but all of my older Fantasy Battle (mostly Citadel and Grenadier) are fully compatible with Kings of War, and I do use my old 40K for their skirmish scifi.
Шахматы - игра умов. Так ли важно из чего фигуры и кто их изготовил, если правила общедоступны? И да, правила шахмат появились не сразу: шатрандж, чатуранга и подобные игры известны более 2000 лет. Никто не мешает придумать правила для каждой миниатюры на столе - просто с соперником надо договориться заранее. Лучше правила распечатать, чтобы игра развлекала, а не стала причиной ссоры.
Yeah Kings of War was written specifically for using old miniatures from older gaming systems and company's, their rulebooks even make use of historical wargaming figures in the photos!
I finally bit the bullet and paid for the advanced rules of OPR via their patreon (the best way to do it). Holy crap it is so cool building fireteams out of old Mage Knight models.
Xenos rampant is a battle game perfect for any sci fi army. For weird war, near future, alien invasion, post apo, to space opera, a very versatile system.
I am also going to mention Xenos Rampant, which is pretty good for 28mm scifi. Also for 6-8mm battletech people, I recently found out that the Horizon Wars game got rebooted into Horizon Wars Midnight Dark...it has some good updates, solo play, and supports combined arms including air and super heavies.
That's why I love One Page Rules. Even if I want to collect some GW models, that game has allowed me to have a healthy relationship with the hobby without FOMO or need to buy multiple times each unit and, as you said, it has pushed my creativity and enjoyment doing kitbashing and customizing my models; because I don't need to worry about the "official design". Additionally; how the rules has been made, allows to mix different armies in one; so you can collect models of many different armies that you like, and play altogether. Do you have some miniatures from Tau, sisters of battle and space marines... You can easily mix them. Have you dream with an skaven 40k army? Maybe you can mix different units of different armies that suits with your vision or if you're paying subscription, make your balanced army with the OPR custom army builder.
Five Parsecs from Home also has a platoon scale game "Tactics" coming out soon that has multiple squads and vehicles. It also allows for you to play your 5P crew on a larger battlefield if you want some thing bigger than skirmish.
Gotta mention 5 Parsecs again. I've used Reaper minis, Star Wars and Starfinder prepaints, Necromunda, Genestealers and GS cultists, etc, for my games. If it's in the 25-28mm range, it can be a 5 Parsecs mini.
Love the sheer scope of what you can use in games like 5 Parsecs! Current crew is made up of a mix of Star Wars Legion, Starfinder, Hero Forge, and Kickstarter minis. And then there's all of the ways you can use minis for the foes your crew to go up against.
I'd like to mention that Future War Commander is getting a second edition some time next year, and is not only model agnostic but is also **scale** agnostic. They've also got other era rules (Fantasy, Great War, Civil War, etc) in case you've got other minis kicking around, too.
Every game is miniatures agnostic, as long as you’re not at a GW store or in a tourney. Even Warhammer is agnostic. No one can tell you what minis to use, besides maybe your opponent, but I’ve never met someone who cares.
I guess the main way a game might NOT be minis agnostic is when they ONLY provide stats for the minis when you buy the minis themselves, usually in the form of cards. The various forms of Attack Wing come to mind. I don't think they had any official channel to release stats. Of course, that's why I now use those minis in OPR: Warfleets and my own custom version of Song of Blades and Heroes!
@@MarcGacyThat’s true! Also kind of a lame way to make money off your customers. I’m not against cards being in the boxes, but I think those stats should be available somewhere else as well, so you know what you’re buying before you buy it.
To an extent. I'm not going to play against someone where I have to remember what dozens of proxies are that don't have enough of a similar silhouette for me to know what's what easily.
Excuse me while I take a breath, aaaaaaa Jajajajajajajajajajaja We are soooo sorry we've had technical difficulties (it was the cat) with the audio in the end. Having taking that load off my chest I have to say like always I liked the video! And true it's always good to see in what other games we can play our minis.
I am using old miniatures as Anglo-Saxon or Vikings in a variety of historical games such as Lion Rampant. They are also used in fantasy games such as Oathmark and OPR.
It goes the other way too. Don't be afraid to bust out those Anglo-Saxons and Vikings to use in Sword Weirdos or Five Leagues or Rangers of the Shadow Deep. Any time you want miniatures for a low fantasy setting, historicals are a good and cheap option. When you can't trademark "angry European with a sword and shield," prices tend to stay lower. Victrix Miniatures will sell you sixty 28mm Vikings, Anglo-Saxons, or Normans for $47 USD.
I'm here to say that 3d printing is real thing and it isn't as expensive as people think. I got an Anycubic photon mono 2 for $150. A bottle of water washable resin is $20 Stl subscription is 10 bucks a month or you can get individual stls for few bucks or whole sets from &10 -&70 depending on the manufacturer. So look at the cost of a whole army, easily $500-$700. Vs Printer-$150 2 bottles of resin $40 Stl set that's on the higher end manufacturers is around $70 = $260. And I still have the printer to make more.
While i understand what you are saying, all the time you put in is just time wasted I could be painting or playing. You can make spaghetti yet people still go out and eat it and pay a whole lot more. some people just don't want the mess and the time spent and are willing to pay more :) 3d printing is a good thing, and it's a nice advance in tech to the hobby, but it is in fact a separate hobby on its own. if you enjoy the faff that comes before assembling and painting, then it's for you, if you can't be buggered with it, that's fair game too!
@@petercooman1234 Gotta stick up for the printer idea here. Resin and filament printing are two different animals. Filament has so many moving parts that need tinkering and you still can't get a good miniature out of it. I only use FDM for terrain. But Resin, once you get the settings in the slicer software right for the right Resin (hint: ALWAYS get Sunlu Toughness and heat it before printing in a hot water bath), it's set it and forget it. It's not for everyone, but he's right. Time spent by you manually is negligible, and less time than I would spend going to the local hobby stores (even the closest, which is a 25 minute drive). I spend five minutes slicing (if i have the STLs already, if not then 15 minutes shopping), five minutes setting up the printer and pushing the print button, 15 minutes washing and curing and maybe five minutes equipment clean up. So, that's 30 minutes for about 8 figs. If you run it assembly line like you can knock off about 10 minutes per batch. Meanwhile, while awaiting the print, I'm out priming the PREVIOUS batch. I can print about 30 figs in an afternoon and over a hundred on a lazy Sunday, AND get a bunch painted while waiting on the printer to finish. And with a kg of resin I can print HUNDREDS of models, and that kg costs about $30. Add the cost of bought STLs, which are MUCH cheaper if you join a patreon or tribe, and that 100 is way less than $1 per model. And you still have time to paint.
That's not the point. if you want to do that by all means do that. i'm just saying that even tough it is cheap, some people will just buy them anyway. Me personally, i don't care about printing at all. and i think it is a good option for people who are interested , but not a good price comparison in the grand scheme of things. Everyone can buy a box of minis, not everyone will buy a 3d printer and go through the hassle.
The time it takes to clip sprues clean mold lines, and assemble minis is about the same time it takes me to layout a tray, clean the supports, clean my plate and tank. While the printer is printing I'm painting. New technology can be intimidating and I'll admit I was at first, I'm also a tech moron, I can barely work my phone. But I got my printer up and running in less than 2 hours and my first minis came off the tray 2 more hours after . I'm not trying to be a salesman for resin printers and if you don't want to take the plunge I get it. But don't knock it till you try it.
Also to be fair, older rule systems are also still worth playing if you enjoyed them when they first came out, Warhammer Fantasy Battle 4th edition's main rulebook had a points breakdown in the back for each of the main races and weapons, as well as character level's so you could build an army JUST using that with the bestiary book that came with the boxed game, and it's even more usable today with all the various plastic kits available to us, both Historical and Fantasy!
As a recovered GW addict, I now really enjoy buying models because I like them and not because they are effective in a game. Painting models I like to play an upcoming game is very satisfying. Model agnostic rules is the only way to go. :)
_ nine infantrymen and a flag dude _ five attilan rough riders _ a bombast field gun _ a scout sentinel sticked to oval base with putty And there you have it, a complete cities of sigmar spearhead for your first aos games.
you mentioned the battletech miniatures. however, there is a long list of mecha combat games that can use each others mini's. battletech/alpha strike heavy gear mekton CAV strike Robotech tactics rifts ... and many more. some of these games have their own line of miniatures which I have been using for other games for decades.
Another exceptional and informative video. As of late (past 4 years), I've become mor active in "skirmish" level gaming and come to find out multi-tasking my figures...like Stargrave to Space Station Zero to Pulp Alley...even the monsters/creature get multi-task as well. Again, great video. Take care!
I love finding new uses for old models. Both my death army minis from AoS, along with a few stormcast and a fair few re-based heroclix have found their way into Deth Wizards. And I have so many little sci fi guys and gals that get conscripted into Space Weirdos, GDF:F and some random simplified rules i play with my youngest.
I've started kitbashing units that can be used in kill team, necromunda, and then a bunch of mini agnostic games on top. It just takes creativity and a bit of flexibility
My favorite miniatures agnostic ruleset right now is Pulp Alley. I've run countless worlds and settings, using minis from across the spectrum, and it's never disappointing.
Also: Battletech in general tends to keep certain models of mechs around in lore for a very long time. The Shadow Hawk was first built in the 2500s, but still saw a new version made in the current era in 3150, keeping pace with new models. So you can roll up with a Shadow Hawk you painted in 7th grade, and its not only acceptable, people will get nostalgic.
I like to use eBay to recycle my old models into cash money! (Money that, sadly, I often spend on other tabletop projects that somehow never come to fruition, thus repeating the (re)cycle, sigh.)
I really enjoyed this video! I've almost always bought my models by The Rule of Cool, and then worried about the army list later. Except for Battletech, where I bought what I needed to fill a slot in a regiment (as long as it looked cool). Now that I make my own 3D models, I've gotten into less mainstream games like Arsenal, Steel Rift, Spectre Operations, Marcher and Rogue Warriors. I found several things I liked in each game, and it led me to a new idea: to produce data sheets a variety of games for each model I create. I actually plan on using my models in a variety of games. And maybe eventually develop my own game. After all, I'll already have the minis! :)
I put together a separatist Star Wars Legion army just for this reason. I now have models for Legion, both flavors of OPR grimdark, Stargrave, xenos Rampant, and straight up Warhammer if I find someone who doesn't mind proxies. It was very liberating.
Roleplaying games are also miniatures agnostic. I use all kinds of fantasy minis including Age of Sigmar for D&D, 40k and other sci-fi minis would work well for starfinder and other sci-fi ttrpgs
Vindictive the game is also a great army scale miniatures agnostic game that you can use 40K minis for. It’s a newer game but it has a pretty solid rule set
I think you were right when you said that reuse would be the better word for using figures produced for one game in another. Recycling, to me, involves passing owner ship of the item to someone else or another organization. in this instance selling or gifting the figures to another, perhaps new, player. I prefer to use the word utility for models that can be used in different games, even within GW there are models that can be used in Kill Team, full 40K, and possibly Horus Heresy.
Another great way to use more is to start a game group at your FLGS where you can then use a bunch of your minis to make multiple warbands for drop-in players!
I loved this one. I've been buying models online that I can use in multiple games, even though I do have a preference. I'm not at all a WYSIWYG guy, which helps me a lot. One last thing I will say though, is, especially if you are new to painting, sometimes just painting a miniature is the joy in and of itself. Probably doesn't work if it's a 28mm model that costs $50, but there is tons of stuff out there in the $4-8 dollar range. Happy painting and playing!
There's also quite a few for significantly less than $4US or even CAN per regular mini. Frostgrave, Stargrave, Oathmark, Wargames Atlantic, Victrix and Mantic come to mind for me immediately. Also Wiz Kids, though the quality on those isn't great. I'm paying $1.50 CAN for an elven warrior and $2.66 CAN for an elf cavalry mini from Oathmark (excluding shipping). The dark ages aesthetic is perfect for the bookverse Tolkien army I want to make, and I'm going to have lots of bits left over to kitbash other things. The Forces of Nature Ambush box I got for Kings of War is $1.15CAN per mini. Again, lots of extra bits and choice in how you build the models.
Absolutely, with 1 caveat: I love uniforms - making my minis look like they belong together in a specific regiment. This does, necessarily, lower the mix & match value. On the other hand, the same red-cloaked fanatics might be from Thay this week, Imperial zealots on Necromunda next week & trying to awaken Great Cthulu right after.
My gaming group and I gave up on 40K back in 2017 after the release of 8th Edition. For the past 7+ years now, we've made our 40K model collections do double duty, playing a myriad of fantastic miniatures-agnostic skirmish games. God bless One-Page Rules, Stargrave, Rogue Stars, Space Weirdos, Space Station Zero, and Star Breach. 🤪
Recently I have been painting various Oathmark minis (mainly from Frostgrave) to use in Five Leagues From The Borderlands. I find them to be excellent general purpose figures such as skeletons, fighters and so on, which I expect can be used for many fantasy games. With a box of 30 minis often coming in at less than GBP£30 that is less than £1 per figure. Contrast that with GW! Since I don't actually play wargames very much, a great deal of the "value" of figures is in the assembly and painting. With that many figures I can try out techniques without worrying about screwing up the odd few!
Definetely - this year I started selling my 40k minis because I didn't see the reason to play this game anymore - thank you GW for "creative" new Primaris Blood Angels models (for the they are yucky - especially Sanguinary Guard). I sold ALL my primaris marines last weekend to some guy that liked Space Marine 2 and wanted to put something warhammer on his shelf. Now my firstborn marines are battling in OnePageRules Grimdark Future and some time ago plus I used them for Stargrave. Grimdark Future Firefight got a very nice, expansive ruleset - you can play it with the most core, easiest rules, but in advanced rules you can find a lot of extensions to the core rules. Models that I have for Warhammer Quest: Cursed City - used for One Page Rules: Age of Fantasy Quest and Deth Wizards (got a neat necromancer as a promo from one printing companies, plus Warhammer Underworlds). Monsters from Cursed City covers quite a lot from the Vampiric Undead army list.
Once I got out of my "Brand Loyalist" phase, I got into my models having as many "jobs" as ai could find form them. Even if playing in the same setting, jumping from game to game can be amazing. Sometimes a different set of rules is perfect for campaign play or a particular scenario. Xenoes Rampant is another great, mini agnostic, setting agnostic, game. It's just a great sci fi tool kit and you can scale it up from skirmish to big-ish battles.
- Sci-fi platoon to company level rules, best with mostly infantry: _StarGrunt 2_ (SG2) by Ground Zero Games (GZG) - Sci-fi spaceship combat rules: _Full Thrust_ by GZG, also setting specific versions for Babylon 5 & Traveler _Squadron Strike_ by Ad Astra Games features 3D movement, this is a generic version of their _Saganami Island_ game from David Weber's Honorverse. They also do a setting-specific mod for Axanar/ST -Sci-fi giant robot & micro-scale (6mm, 8mm, 10mm) armor: _Dirtside 2_ (DS2) by GZG w/ shooting using SG2 rules - Fantasy rules. 28mm & 28mm heroic models best based as 30mm (double dimensions of 15mm) rather than as 25mm, all by Wargames Research Group (WRG): _De Bellis Antiquitatus (DBA)_ - small armies _De Bellis Multitudinus (DBM)_ - big armies _De Bellis Fictionalis (DBFi)_ - better than DBF below, fan modified version of DBM to include fantasy elements, free PDF with google-fu _Hordes of the Things (HOTTs)_ - small armies _De Bellis Fantasticus (DBF)_ - fantasy version of DBM _De Bellis Renationis (DBR)_ - pike & shot era all GZG games free PDFs
I made some multibases with slots so that I could reuse my Conquest minis and old Hordes minis for Kings of War. Love getting something collecting dust back on the table!
I bought three sets of plastic vikings from Victrix, Gripping Beast, and smattering of metal minis to make ~120 vikings for about 150 USD. I've used them in OPR, Forbidden Psalm, Raven Feast, Warcry, Kings of War, Saga, Conquest: the last argument of kings, and so many other war games. If you like fantasy, and you don't know what to get, you can't go wrong grabbing Vikings or knights. Nearly every fantasy game has knights or Vikings of some flavor. Furthermore, they can also be used for lots of historical medieval/dark ages games.
My models are more like characters or factions BUT not locked into a single rule set. If anything I enjoy finding way to make them work in various systems. Makes them a lot more fun and allows for me to make my own stories and settings.
If you use individual 20mm bases for mantic kings of war models, you can also use many of them for warhammer fantasy or OPR fantasy regiments. I am most of the way through building a forces of nature ambush set for kings of war, and the trident realms segment of that overlaps so heavily with OPR sea elves that I am kitbashing or sculpting a few extras that will also function in both games. I will soon have a small but fully functional OPR sea elf army, as well as the beginning of a kings of war trident realms army and a forces of nature ambush forces. All out of one $46CAN box set and some extra work and imagination.
This video was perfect timing. I have a small box of older Zerkers that I never got around to building and now that I’m starting my WE army I find the older models to look pretty goofy compared to the newer primarus scale. Now I have a few ideas of what to do with them.
Yep. EVERY miniature game in the 70s and 80s was what kids today call “miniature agnostic”. That was not some aberration or an exception. It was THE NORM!!!
I cant sing the praises of OPR enough. completely saved my interest in the gameplaying side of the hobby, which has in turn caused me to paint a ton more. I'll never be going back to 40k.
It's very freeing looking at models 'the other way around'. As in, wow that model looks cool, now I'm going to go and figure out what games I can play with it
Because the people who play historical are now in their 60s and 70s for the most part unless it’s team Yankee or flames of war, clash of steel or bolt action agent community i’ve always made this argument. It’s easier to get a kid to buy a box of space marines that it is to buy a box of Sherman tanks. but you’ve got a point there’s a role-playing game I have called. war stories that works perfectly well with my 28 mm World War II US in German guys and when I set up my little historical battlefield, it looks great as role-play game. I’ve seen role-playing guys use all sorts of miniatures for their role-playing games.. I know it’s a little long-winded, but I used a dark Vader miniature from Star Wars Legion as my berserker barbarian because I thought it was funny
For a long time now I have been buying my minis with this concept in mind. Fantasy is easy enough, I'll use them in DnD. But for sci fi minis I have been trying to grab minis that I can use in games other than 40k/Kill Team, and I have been finding new mini agnostic systems I can use them in.
This is where Historical Gaming really has a head up on Sci-Fi and Fantasy gaming. "Oh you want to play Lion Rampant today? Ok, let me see how my SAGA Warband will come out in these rules..... We Playing here's the Ruckus next week? OK I'll break down some of my Pike & Shotte units and we'll play with them, you don't have any WotR stuff do you?"
Simple. Be a DM for any pen and paper rpg. Lionel Johnson makes for a great statue of an intriguing hero. Moria Goblins are available in any mesbg collection. etc.
I completely support using rule systems that allow you to use any model out there. My most favorite is fistful of lead rules skirmish base, but you can use any miniature out there with these rules
I have several thousand painted models. Yes, really. Yes, I painted nearly all of them myself. That’s what 40 years of collecting does to you… Most have never been used in a game. But that’s okay. I like building and painting them. And the ones that do get used, I use in whatever I like. The real wasted money is in the ones you never even paint.
Have to agree with you. I buy fairly cheap minis, and I figure that if I build and paint them to a decent standard, and I have already had my money's worth. The games I play with them are the icing on the cake, not the cake.
I like getting $1 per hour from a hobby, mostly a hold over from video games….if I just held this standard for playing with minis they have NEVER made it to this standard….maybe, MAYBE Battletech minis….but you have to consider the painting in aggregate….you also have to count the painting, it’s part of the hobby, and if I count the amount of time I’ve spent painting along with playing…easily hit $1 per hour, maybe not for every mini, but some take less and some take more….in total the average across all the minis I’ve painting and played it’s definitely $1 per hour This is also really the first I’ve thought about it so it’s not a factor in getting new models….the factor in that is what im painting now….i dont want to have a pile of shame, i like finishing projects before moving on…this limits new buys
While warhammer killteam is what got me into miniature gaming. I mainly play miniature agnostic games now. Like Frostgrave/stargrave, Rangers of Shadowdeep, as well as some of your games. I’ve used my warhammer models more in miniature agnostic games than I have in warhammer games. I should definitely check out one page rules for bigger scale games. Also Hobgoblin is a game that looks pretty cool for big scale mini agnostic war games
Thank God for games like OPR, Space Weirdos, M13, and Space Station Zero. I almost never buy models anything without thinking of at least two other games to use them for.
I play historicals mostly, so rules come and go and I get to use my stuff. Fantasy stuff I still have is all skirmish and rules agnostic. 3d printing rules!!! OPR is fun reading but I haven’t played yet. No one tells me what models I can/can’t play with.
Another great miniatures agnostic big Skirmish/small army game is Xenos Rampant. With just the purchase of one book one can create a lot of flavorful armies and the scenarios are great.
I've been taking a lot of Reaper Bones, Next Level, and some old Ral Partha minis and building Mordheim warbands. But along the way I use them in my D&D games. I find i need more humans though.
I've found that recycling my friends minis helps get games on the table. In my experience, "Oh, I have old Flames of War tanks that I could use for What a Tanker and uh, what is What a Tanker?" is a much more promising response than, "Yeah Bolt Action looks awesome but I don't have any armies for it"
I buy and paint minis I enjoy. I do have a 40k ork army. But honestly I don't play. I just enjoy building and painting. Ut the idea of using them across games is a great idea
The last time I played a game of Warhammer 40k was 3rd edition. Sure, I've bought Warhammer models since 9th launched, but I haven't used them in any 40k games. I have however used them in One Page Rules, Dragon's Rampant, Deth Wizards, Multiple TTRPGs and many, many more.
As King of the Proxies I've always bought whatever looks cool and figured out what to do with them later. Although there are some 35 year old figs lurking in the basement who have never seen combat.
A few weeks ago, I've played a solo game alone of WH40k using 6th edition of Chaos Space Marines vs Astra Militarum with the Dark Vengence Chosens along side the new Chosens, Lord Commissar resin kit and previous Sentinals. It was an interesting small game I enjoyed doing after I've thought about doing it.
Hobgoblin is a spectacular army sized fantasy game that recently released made by the guy who made gaslands and it's amazing. You should check it out and talk about It if you like it
while this idea sounds fantastic, they will never do it. GW made the decision decades ago that - only GW can create character models. they intentionally removed the ability of players to create characters at the beginning of the 90s with 2nd version. players can only use 'official GW characters' for GW games.
This! All of this! I was recently chastised for using models from different companies in a variety of different games. My reply was that there were too many great games, and too many great gamers, that I wanted to meet. And life is too short to play just one game.
I like the idea of using the models for different games. My only problem is that I really like the design of Games Workshop models a lot! :D Not all of them, especially since Primaris marines came out and Age of Sigmar the models are a bit too over the top for my taste. They simply have too much details and too tiny bits that can break off easily. However, I would not wait to use the models for other rulesets if I would have the opportunity for it.
I'm SO glad you're championing OPR. It's so good in a million ways.
My group play Firefight (the Killteam version of the ruleset). The ruleset alone has encouraged my hobby so that I now have ~7 teams fully painted over the last 2 years.
Never forget that several of D&D's most iconic monsters of the first edition (rust monster, owlbear, bullette, etc) were actually just designed after cheap Taiwanese plastic knockoff "dinosaur" toys that Gary Gygax found at a discount store. Never a problem with reusing, recycling, fabricating, and looking for new ways to use things, even non-hobby stuff. Model builders have been doing this for many years and it's good that more and more tabletop wargaming players are picking it up too (especially w/ the advent of 3D printing).
I am old enough to remember when Miniatures where sold by weight and not by a stat line. I am more and more into the AGNOSTIC RULE SETS, buy miniatures from whomever for multiple game sets. And now that I am older I am also more into the rule sets that allow solo play. I am also loving the new age of being able to buy STL files and print what I want to use. I am not a fan of GW and how I feel it negatively changed how we buy and use miniatures and how it uses us by making stuff obsolete forcing us to have to buy new rules and models every year or two.
One more thing which has to be said about GW is that back in the day they were super supportive of the ideas of the communities behind their games but nowadays they're sometimes really anti-consumer, anti-community and anti-fun.
@@honzabalak3462 That's when the company was run and staffed by people who played games. Now it's an investment portfolio owned by a bank. Late stage capitalism, baby.
All rulesets are miniature agnostic if you believe in yourself
Yesssss
My first minis - Minifig Prussians, sold in a plastic baggy, with a strip of cardboard stapled on the top.
Mantic doesn't require the use of Mantic minis in their tournaments. A friend showed up to the Adepticon Kings of War tournament with a full Chinese Terracotta Army. It was glorious.
My Magma Men use the Riftforged Orc list.
AND are made from stormcast eternal minis.
+1 to this actually very good practice. I've never got round to it but all of my older Fantasy Battle (mostly Citadel and Grenadier) are fully compatible with Kings of War, and I do use my old 40K for their skirmish scifi.
Mantic (and KoW in particular) has a very strong "Rule of Cool" vibe.
Шахматы - игра умов. Так ли важно из чего фигуры и кто их изготовил, если правила общедоступны? И да, правила шахмат появились не сразу: шатрандж, чатуранга и подобные игры известны более 2000 лет. Никто не мешает придумать правила для каждой миниатюры на столе - просто с соперником надо договориться заранее. Лучше правила распечатать, чтобы игра развлекала, а не стала причиной ссоры.
Yeah Kings of War was written specifically for using old miniatures from older gaming systems and company's, their rulebooks even make use of historical wargaming figures in the photos!
I finally bit the bullet and paid for the advanced rules of OPR via their patreon (the best way to do it). Holy crap it is so cool building fireteams out of old Mage Knight models.
Xenos rampant is a battle game perfect for any sci fi army.
For weird war, near future, alien invasion, post apo, to space opera, a very versatile system.
I am also going to mention Xenos Rampant, which is pretty good for 28mm scifi. Also for 6-8mm battletech people, I recently found out that the Horizon Wars game got rebooted into Horizon Wars Midnight Dark...it has some good updates, solo play, and supports combined arms including air and super heavies.
That's why I love One Page Rules. Even if I want to collect some GW models, that game has allowed me to have a healthy relationship with the hobby without FOMO or need to buy multiple times each unit and, as you said, it has pushed my creativity and enjoyment doing kitbashing and customizing my models; because I don't need to worry about the "official design". Additionally; how the rules has been made, allows to mix different armies in one; so you can collect models of many different armies that you like, and play altogether. Do you have some miniatures from Tau, sisters of battle and space marines... You can easily mix them. Have you dream with an skaven 40k army? Maybe you can mix different units of different armies that suits with your vision or if you're paying subscription, make your balanced army with the OPR custom army builder.
That’s why historical gaming is such good value if you have a lot of 2WW miniatures you can use them in loads and loads of different games.
Five Parsecs from Home also has a platoon scale game "Tactics" coming out soon that has multiple squads and vehicles. It also allows for you to play your 5P crew on a larger battlefield if you want some thing bigger than skirmish.
For army scale games, there's also Saga, Oathmark, and Hobgoblin. On the sci-fi side, I think Xenos Rampant is army sized. So much to choose from!
Gotta mention 5 Parsecs again. I've used Reaper minis, Star Wars and Starfinder prepaints, Necromunda, Genestealers and GS cultists, etc, for my games. If it's in the 25-28mm range, it can be a 5 Parsecs mini.
Love the sheer scope of what you can use in games like 5 Parsecs! Current crew is made up of a mix of Star Wars Legion, Starfinder, Hero Forge, and Kickstarter minis. And then there's all of the ways you can use minis for the foes your crew to go up against.
Battletech miniatures make fantastic robots for 28mm skirmish games such as Stargrave, Space Weirdos, Rogue Stars, and Space Station Zero. 🤗
I'd like to mention that Future War Commander is getting a second edition some time next year, and is not only model agnostic but is also **scale** agnostic. They've also got other era rules (Fantasy, Great War, Civil War, etc) in case you've got other minis kicking around, too.
Every game is miniatures agnostic, as long as you’re not at a GW store or in a tourney. Even Warhammer is agnostic. No one can tell you what minis to use, besides maybe your opponent, but I’ve never met someone who cares.
I guess the main way a game might NOT be minis agnostic is when they ONLY provide stats for the minis when you buy the minis themselves, usually in the form of cards. The various forms of Attack Wing come to mind. I don't think they had any official channel to release stats. Of course, that's why I now use those minis in OPR: Warfleets and my own custom version of Song of Blades and Heroes!
@@MarcGacyThat’s true! Also kind of a lame way to make money off your customers. I’m not against cards being in the boxes, but I think those stats should be available somewhere else as well, so you know what you’re buying before you buy it.
To an extent. I'm not going to play against someone where I have to remember what dozens of proxies are that don't have enough of a similar silhouette for me to know what's what easily.
@@dannyslagHow often do you really know the stats of every army you play against anyways?
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We are soooo sorry we've had technical difficulties (it was the cat) with the audio in the end.
Having taking that load off my chest I have to say like always I liked the video!
And true it's always good to see in what other games we can play our minis.
I am using old miniatures as Anglo-Saxon or Vikings in a variety of historical games such as Lion Rampant. They are also used in fantasy games such as Oathmark and OPR.
It goes the other way too. Don't be afraid to bust out those Anglo-Saxons and Vikings to use in Sword Weirdos or Five Leagues or Rangers of the Shadow Deep. Any time you want miniatures for a low fantasy setting, historicals are a good and cheap option. When you can't trademark "angry European with a sword and shield," prices tend to stay lower. Victrix Miniatures will sell you sixty 28mm Vikings, Anglo-Saxons, or Normans for $47 USD.
I love miniature agnostic games so much that they're the only games I play AND write now. Thank you for being such an advocate for them!
I'm here to say that 3d printing is real thing and it isn't as expensive as people think.
I got an Anycubic photon mono 2 for $150. A bottle of water washable resin is $20
Stl subscription is 10 bucks a month or you can get individual stls for few bucks or whole sets from &10 -&70 depending on the manufacturer. So look at the cost of a whole army, easily $500-$700. Vs
Printer-$150
2 bottles of resin $40
Stl set that's on the higher end manufacturers is around $70 =
$260.
And I still have the printer to make more.
While i understand what you are saying, all the time you put in is just time wasted I could be painting or playing.
You can make spaghetti yet people still go out and eat it and pay a whole lot more. some people just don't want the mess and the time spent and are willing to pay more :)
3d printing is a good thing, and it's a nice advance in tech to the hobby, but it is in fact a separate hobby on its own. if you enjoy the faff that comes before assembling and painting, then it's for you, if you can't be buggered with it, that's fair game too!
@@petercooman1234 Gotta stick up for the printer idea here. Resin and filament printing are two different animals. Filament has so many moving parts that need tinkering and you still can't get a good miniature out of it. I only use FDM for terrain. But Resin, once you get the settings in the slicer software right for the right Resin (hint: ALWAYS get Sunlu Toughness and heat it before printing in a hot water bath), it's set it and forget it.
It's not for everyone, but he's right. Time spent by you manually is negligible, and less time than I would spend going to the local hobby stores (even the closest, which is a 25 minute drive). I spend five minutes slicing (if i have the STLs already, if not then 15 minutes shopping), five minutes setting up the printer and pushing the print button, 15 minutes washing and curing and maybe five minutes equipment clean up. So, that's 30 minutes for about 8 figs. If you run it assembly line like you can knock off about 10 minutes per batch. Meanwhile, while awaiting the print, I'm out priming the PREVIOUS batch. I can print about 30 figs in an afternoon and over a hundred on a lazy Sunday, AND get a bunch painted while waiting on the printer to finish.
And with a kg of resin I can print HUNDREDS of models, and that kg costs about $30. Add the cost of bought STLs, which are MUCH cheaper if you join a patreon or tribe, and that 100 is way less than $1 per model. And you still have time to paint.
That's not the point. if you want to do that by all means do that. i'm just saying that even tough it is cheap, some people will just buy them anyway.
Me personally, i don't care about printing at all. and i think it is a good option for people who are interested , but not a good price comparison in the grand scheme of things.
Everyone can buy a box of minis, not everyone will buy a 3d printer and go through the hassle.
Cheap is great, but I really appreciate the variety of models available to print. I worry that shopping for STLs is my real hobby.
The time it takes to clip sprues clean mold lines, and assemble minis is about the same time it takes me to layout a tray, clean the supports, clean my plate and tank. While the printer is printing I'm painting. New technology can be intimidating and I'll admit I was at first, I'm also a tech moron, I can barely work my phone. But I got my printer up and running in less than 2 hours and my first minis came off the tray 2 more hours after . I'm not trying to be a salesman for resin printers and if you don't want to take the plunge I get it. But don't knock it till you try it.
Also to be fair, older rule systems are also still worth playing if you enjoyed them when they first came out, Warhammer Fantasy Battle 4th edition's main rulebook had a points breakdown in the back for each of the main races and weapons, as well as character level's so you could build an army JUST using that with the bestiary book that came with the boxed game, and it's even more usable today with all the various plastic kits available to us, both Historical and Fantasy!
As a recovered GW addict, I now really enjoy buying models because I like them and not because they are effective in a game. Painting models I like to play an upcoming game is very satisfying. Model agnostic rules is the only way to go. :)
Agreed!!!
_ nine infantrymen and a flag dude
_ five attilan rough riders
_ a bombast field gun
_ a scout sentinel sticked to oval base with putty
And there you have it, a complete cities of sigmar spearhead for your first aos games.
you mentioned the battletech miniatures. however, there is a long list of mecha combat games that can use each others mini's.
battletech/alpha strike
heavy gear
mekton
CAV strike
Robotech tactics
rifts
... and many more.
some of these games have their own line of miniatures which I have been using for other games for decades.
Thanks, this expanded my horizon. Didn't know about the whole concept of having rules separate from minis.
This concept is incedibly liberating. I'm running out of disposable income.
The Ninth Age is a free ruleset and miniature agnostic for square based fantasy army battles
Another exceptional and informative video. As of late (past 4 years), I've become mor active in "skirmish" level gaming and come to find out multi-tasking my figures...like Stargrave to Space Station Zero to Pulp Alley...even the monsters/creature get multi-task as well. Again, great video. Take care!
I love finding new uses for old models. Both my death army minis from AoS, along with a few stormcast and a fair few re-based heroclix have found their way into Deth Wizards. And I have so many little sci fi guys and gals that get conscripted into Space Weirdos, GDF:F and some random simplified rules i play with my youngest.
5:28 don't. Don't speak that into existence 😭
100%! I'm building a OPR force using my old AT-43 and DUST47 stuff! My small stormcast force will work great in AoF too
I've started kitbashing units that can be used in kill team, necromunda, and then a bunch of mini agnostic games on top. It just takes creativity and a bit of flexibility
My favorite miniatures agnostic ruleset right now is Pulp Alley. I've run countless worlds and settings, using minis from across the spectrum, and it's never disappointing.
Fwiw battletech is miniature agnostic. Page 1 of the battletech manual. You can use anything. A bottle cap as long as you indicate the front
Also: Battletech in general tends to keep certain models of mechs around in lore for a very long time. The Shadow Hawk was first built in the 2500s, but still saw a new version made in the current era in 3150, keeping pace with new models. So you can roll up with a Shadow Hawk you painted in 7th grade, and its not only acceptable, people will get nostalgic.
Old-school Citadel and Ral Partha. No rules-affiliation, but amazing, fascinating models!
I like to use eBay to recycle my old models into cash money! (Money that, sadly, I often spend on other tabletop projects that somehow never come to fruition, thus repeating the (re)cycle, sigh.)
Love your videos!! Thank you for all you do for our community!
I really enjoyed this video! I've almost always bought my models by The Rule of Cool, and then worried about the army list later. Except for Battletech, where I bought what I needed to fill a slot in a regiment (as long as it looked cool). Now that I make my own 3D models, I've gotten into less mainstream games like Arsenal, Steel Rift, Spectre Operations, Marcher and Rogue Warriors. I found several things I liked in each game, and it led me to a new idea: to produce data sheets a variety of games for each model I create. I actually plan on using my models in a variety of games. And maybe eventually develop my own game. After all, I'll already have the minis! :)
I put together a separatist Star Wars Legion army just for this reason. I now have models for Legion, both flavors of OPR grimdark, Stargrave, xenos Rampant, and straight up Warhammer if I find someone who doesn't mind proxies. It was very liberating.
I applaud this excellent & much needed video, along with others by TM, on ‘alternatives’.
Roleplaying games are also miniatures agnostic. I use all kinds of fantasy minis including Age of Sigmar for D&D, 40k and other sci-fi minis would work well for starfinder and other sci-fi ttrpgs
Vindictive the game is also a great army scale miniatures agnostic game that you can use 40K minis for. It’s a newer game but it has a pretty solid rule set
10:37 this here is the best stuff in the hobby: kitbashing! (Chef's kiss)
I think you were right when you said that reuse would be the better word for using figures produced for one game in another.
Recycling, to me, involves passing owner ship of the item to someone else or another organization. in this instance selling or gifting the figures to another, perhaps new, player.
I prefer to use the word utility for models that can be used in different games, even within GW there are models that can be used in Kill Team, full 40K, and possibly Horus Heresy.
Another great way to use more is to start a game group at your FLGS where you can then use a bunch of your minis to make multiple warbands for drop-in players!
I loved this one. I've been buying models online that I can use in multiple games, even though I do have a preference. I'm not at all a WYSIWYG guy, which helps me a lot. One last thing I will say though, is, especially if you are new to painting, sometimes just painting a miniature is the joy in and of itself. Probably doesn't work if it's a 28mm model that costs $50, but there is tons of stuff out there in the $4-8 dollar range. Happy painting and playing!
There's also quite a few for significantly less than $4US or even CAN per regular mini. Frostgrave, Stargrave, Oathmark, Wargames Atlantic, Victrix and Mantic come to mind for me immediately. Also Wiz Kids, though the quality on those isn't great. I'm paying $1.50 CAN for an elven warrior and $2.66 CAN for an elf cavalry mini from Oathmark (excluding shipping). The dark ages aesthetic is perfect for the bookverse Tolkien army I want to make, and I'm going to have lots of bits left over to kitbash other things. The Forces of Nature Ambush box I got for Kings of War is $1.15CAN per mini. Again, lots of extra bits and choice in how you build the models.
Absolutely, with 1 caveat:
I love uniforms - making my minis look like they belong together in a specific regiment.
This does, necessarily, lower the mix & match value.
On the other hand, the same red-cloaked fanatics might be from Thay this week, Imperial zealots on Necromunda next week & trying to awaken Great Cthulu right after.
My gaming group and I gave up on 40K back in 2017 after the release of 8th Edition. For the past 7+ years now, we've made our 40K model collections do double duty, playing a myriad of fantastic miniatures-agnostic skirmish games. God bless One-Page Rules, Stargrave, Rogue Stars, Space Weirdos, Space Station Zero, and Star Breach. 🤪
Recently I have been painting various Oathmark minis (mainly from Frostgrave) to use in Five Leagues From The Borderlands. I find them to be excellent general purpose figures such as skeletons, fighters and so on, which I expect can be used for many fantasy games. With a box of 30 minis often coming in at less than GBP£30 that is less than £1 per figure. Contrast that with GW! Since I don't actually play wargames very much, a great deal of the "value" of figures is in the assembly and painting. With that many figures I can try out techniques without worrying about screwing up the odd few!
Definetely - this year I started selling my 40k minis because I didn't see the reason to play this game anymore - thank you GW for "creative" new Primaris Blood Angels models (for the they are yucky - especially Sanguinary Guard). I sold ALL my primaris marines last weekend to some guy that liked Space Marine 2 and wanted to put something warhammer on his shelf.
Now my firstborn marines are battling in OnePageRules Grimdark Future and some time ago plus I used them for Stargrave. Grimdark Future Firefight got a very nice, expansive ruleset - you can play it with the most core, easiest rules, but in advanced rules you can find a lot of extensions to the core rules.
Models that I have for Warhammer Quest: Cursed City - used for One Page Rules: Age of Fantasy Quest and Deth Wizards (got a neat necromancer as a promo from one printing companies, plus Warhammer Underworlds). Monsters from Cursed City covers quite a lot from the Vampiric Undead army list.
Once I got out of my "Brand Loyalist" phase, I got into my models having as many "jobs" as ai could find form them. Even if playing in the same setting, jumping from game to game can be amazing. Sometimes a different set of rules is perfect for campaign play or a particular scenario.
Xenoes Rampant is another great, mini agnostic, setting agnostic, game. It's just a great sci fi tool kit and you can scale it up from skirmish to big-ish battles.
I get my money's worth in building/painting. playing is a bonus. A new game is a great excuse to build/paint more
- Sci-fi platoon to company level rules, best with mostly infantry:
_StarGrunt 2_ (SG2) by Ground Zero Games (GZG)
- Sci-fi spaceship combat rules:
_Full Thrust_ by GZG, also setting specific versions for Babylon 5 & Traveler
_Squadron Strike_ by Ad Astra Games features 3D movement, this is a generic version of their _Saganami Island_ game from David Weber's Honorverse. They also do a setting-specific mod for Axanar/ST
-Sci-fi giant robot & micro-scale (6mm, 8mm, 10mm) armor:
_Dirtside 2_ (DS2) by GZG w/ shooting using SG2 rules
- Fantasy rules. 28mm & 28mm heroic models best based as 30mm (double dimensions of 15mm) rather than as 25mm, all by Wargames Research Group (WRG):
_De Bellis Antiquitatus (DBA)_ - small armies
_De Bellis Multitudinus (DBM)_ - big armies
_De Bellis Fictionalis (DBFi)_ - better than DBF below, fan modified version of DBM to include fantasy elements, free PDF with google-fu
_Hordes of the Things (HOTTs)_ - small armies
_De Bellis Fantasticus (DBF)_ - fantasy version of DBM
_De Bellis Renationis (DBR)_ - pike & shot era
all GZG games free PDFs
I made some multibases with slots so that I could reuse my Conquest minis and old Hordes minis for Kings of War. Love getting something collecting dust back on the table!
I bought three sets of plastic vikings from Victrix, Gripping Beast, and smattering of metal minis to make ~120 vikings for about 150 USD. I've used them in OPR, Forbidden Psalm, Raven Feast, Warcry, Kings of War, Saga, Conquest: the last argument of kings, and so many other war games. If you like fantasy, and you don't know what to get, you can't go wrong grabbing Vikings or knights. Nearly every fantasy game has knights or Vikings of some flavor. Furthermore, they can also be used for lots of historical medieval/dark ages games.
My models are more like characters or factions BUT not locked into a single rule set. If anything I enjoy finding way to make them work in various systems. Makes them a lot more fun and allows for me to make my own stories and settings.
If you use individual 20mm bases for mantic kings of war models, you can also use many of them for warhammer fantasy or OPR fantasy regiments. I am most of the way through building a forces of nature ambush set for kings of war, and the trident realms segment of that overlaps so heavily with OPR sea elves that I am kitbashing or sculpting a few extras that will also function in both games. I will soon have a small but fully functional OPR sea elf army, as well as the beginning of a kings of war trident realms army and a forces of nature ambush forces. All out of one $46CAN box set and some extra work and imagination.
This video was perfect timing. I have a small box of older Zerkers that I never got around to building and now that I’m starting my WE army I find the older models to look pretty goofy compared to the newer primarus scale. Now I have a few ideas of what to do with them.
Yep. EVERY miniature game in the 70s and 80s was what kids today call “miniature agnostic”. That was not some aberration or an exception. It was THE NORM!!!
I cant sing the praises of OPR enough. completely saved my interest in the gameplaying side of the hobby, which has in turn caused me to paint a ton more. I'll never be going back to 40k.
Oathmark is a fun rule system for rank and flank games. It just has a limited number of factions.
This reminds me of a saying I heard from a local player that I try and keep in mind:
"The rules change more often then the models"
If he does not mention SpaceStation Zero I'm jumping out the air lock... damn he called my bluff EEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee..ee...e......
I just mentioned it like… last week! Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions I was there! needs mentioned all the time!!! Great game!
It's very freeing looking at models 'the other way around'. As in, wow that model looks cool, now I'm going to go and figure out what games I can play with it
I thought from the title+thumbnail that this was going to be about stripping and kitbashing old miniatures to serve a new purpose.
Hi there. I've been caught in a struggle between 1/72 scale tanks and 1/100 tanks.
When I got a good deal on old skaven I was delighted. They are now part of the forces of darkness for my “Dragon Rampant” armies.
Because the people who play historical are now in their 60s and 70s for the most part unless it’s team Yankee or flames of war, clash of steel or bolt action agent community i’ve always made this argument. It’s easier to get a kid to buy a box of space marines that it is to buy a box of Sherman tanks. but you’ve got a point there’s a role-playing game I have called. war stories that works perfectly well with my 28 mm World War II US in German guys and when I set up my little historical battlefield, it looks great as role-play game. I’ve seen role-playing guys use all sorts of miniatures for their role-playing games.. I know it’s a little long-winded, but I used a dark Vader miniature from Star Wars Legion as my berserker barbarian because I thought it was funny
For a long time now I have been buying my minis with this concept in mind. Fantasy is easy enough, I'll use them in DnD. But for sci fi minis I have been trying to grab minis that I can use in games other than 40k/Kill Team, and I have been finding new mini agnostic systems I can use them in.
This is where Historical Gaming really has a head up on Sci-Fi and Fantasy gaming.
"Oh you want to play Lion Rampant today? Ok, let me see how my SAGA Warband will come out in these rules..... We Playing here's the Ruckus next week? OK I'll break down some of my Pike & Shotte units and we'll play with them, you don't have any WotR stuff do you?"
Simple. Be a DM for any pen and paper rpg. Lionel Johnson makes for a great statue of an intriguing hero. Moria Goblins are available in any mesbg collection. etc.
I love using legos in space weirdos. I really enjoy creating the mini figs at LEGO stores
I completely support using rule systems that allow you to use any model out there. My most favorite is fistful of lead rules skirmish base, but you can use any miniature out there with these rules
I've been reusing models across several miniature agnostic games for several years now.
I have several thousand painted models. Yes, really. Yes, I painted nearly all of them myself. That’s what 40 years of collecting does to you…
Most have never been used in a game.
But that’s okay. I like building and painting them.
And the ones that do get used, I use in whatever I like.
The real wasted money is in the ones you never even paint.
Have to agree with you. I buy fairly cheap minis, and I figure that if I build and paint them to a decent standard, and I have already had my money's worth. The games I play with them are the icing on the cake, not the cake.
The idea of a 'miniatures agnostic game' is wild. They're all that, GW just tricked us :0
I like getting $1 per hour from a hobby, mostly a hold over from video games….if I just held this standard for playing with minis they have NEVER made it to this standard….maybe, MAYBE Battletech minis….but you have to consider the painting in aggregate….you also have to count the painting, it’s part of the hobby, and if I count the amount of time I’ve spent painting along with playing…easily hit $1 per hour, maybe not for every mini, but some take less and some take more….in total the average across all the minis I’ve painting and played it’s definitely $1 per hour
This is also really the first I’ve thought about it so it’s not a factor in getting new models….the factor in that is what im painting now….i dont want to have a pile of shame, i like finishing projects before moving on…this limits new buys
I love using minis in as many games as possible
While warhammer killteam is what got me into miniature gaming.
I mainly play miniature agnostic games now. Like Frostgrave/stargrave, Rangers of Shadowdeep, as well as some of your games.
I’ve used my warhammer models more in miniature agnostic games than I have in warhammer games. I should definitely check out one page rules for bigger scale games. Also Hobgoblin is a game that looks pretty cool for big scale mini agnostic war games
My GW models are good for Stargrave and OPR. I won't be buying any new ones, but my older guard models make great scifi fodders.
Thank God for games like OPR, Space Weirdos, M13, and Space Station Zero. I almost never buy models anything without thinking of at least two other games to use them for.
I play historicals mostly, so rules come and go and I get to use my stuff. Fantasy stuff I still have is all skirmish and rules agnostic. 3d printing rules!!! OPR is fun reading but I haven’t played yet. No one tells me what models I can/can’t play with.
Another great miniatures agnostic big Skirmish/small army game is Xenos Rampant. With just the purchase of one book one can create a lot of flavorful armies and the scenarios are great.
Great advice. Even with Legends in 40k it is still difficult to use older figures.
I've been taking a lot of Reaper Bones, Next Level, and some old Ral Partha minis and building Mordheim warbands. But along the way I use them in my D&D games. I find i need more humans though.
I recently found my sedition war miniatures and have reused them as infected colonists for OPR.
I've found that recycling my friends minis helps get games on the table. In my experience, "Oh, I have old Flames of War tanks that I could use for What a Tanker and uh, what is What a Tanker?" is a much more promising response than, "Yeah Bolt Action looks awesome but I don't have any armies for it"
I buy and paint minis I enjoy. I do have a 40k ork army. But honestly I don't play. I just enjoy building and painting. Ut the idea of using them across games is a great idea
There is a forbidden Psalm expansion called Steel Psalm coming out soon and that game gives you use for Battletech minis
I backed the kickstarter for it - looking forward to it. Thanks for watching!
Reason why I started a demon army. I need to start doing this more and move away from GW.
The last time I played a game of Warhammer 40k was 3rd edition. Sure, I've bought Warhammer models since 9th launched, but I haven't used them in any 40k games. I have however used them in One Page Rules, Dragon's Rampant, Deth Wizards, Multiple TTRPGs and many, many more.
As King of the Proxies I've always bought whatever looks cool and figured out what to do with them later. Although there are some 35 year old figs lurking in the basement who have never seen combat.
A few weeks ago, I've played a solo game alone of WH40k using 6th edition of Chaos Space Marines vs Astra Militarum with the Dark Vengence Chosens along side the new Chosens, Lord Commissar resin kit and previous Sentinals.
It was an interesting small game I enjoyed doing after I've thought about doing it.
Hobgoblin is a spectacular army sized fantasy game that recently released made by the guy who made gaslands and it's amazing. You should check it out and talk about It if you like it
I agree.
+1 for Hobgoblin if you want a small army scale game (5-8 units on tray-type bases)!
A lot of my tabletop minis has gotten new life in our ttrpg sessions.
I think GW should make HQ sets like the squad sets and let us kitbash stuff into cool characterss
while this idea sounds fantastic, they will never do it.
GW made the decision decades ago that - only GW can create character models. they intentionally removed the ability of players to create characters at the beginning of the 90s with 2nd version. players can only use 'official GW characters' for GW games.
Adam - I know it’s not your thing…but if you play RPGs….all these models will forever have a place in your collection.
This! All of this! I was recently chastised for using models from different companies in a variety of different games. My reply was that there were too many great games, and too many great gamers, that I wanted to meet. And life is too short to play just one game.
Kings of war is also agnostic, and the mantic app is my favourite.
The models would work for deadzone
I like the idea of using the models for different games. My only problem is that I really like the design of Games Workshop models a lot! :D Not all of them, especially since Primaris marines came out and Age of Sigmar the models are a bit too over the top for my taste. They simply have too much details and too tiny bits that can break off easily.
However, I would not wait to use the models for other rulesets if I would have the opportunity for it.