I grew up at the track, my dad raced, by brother raced and of course so did I. The smell of spent 2stroke fuel and the sound... BRRRRAG! BRRRRAP! literally warms my soul. The feeling I get is near indescribable. That being said, as sad as I am to say, petrol is dead. Now that batteries have come to the point where they are and just keep getting better, the instant torque WOW! You could see his acceleration being hampered by traction off the line keeping him from leaving them all right there. That first lap it was clear to see he just needed enough space to keep traction and he'll fly right by which he did. New era of speed we're entering with cars and bikes... an amazing time indeed. Thrilled I get to see it!
Oh man, I love the smell of two stroke in the morning 😁, still got a few stroker's hiding, saying that, this was a good reason electric works, instant torque made those jumps easy Travis Pastrana was raving about how well they are suited to Motocross, given his slightly abused body, he said it made it a lot easier for him.
Pure domination. You are an incredible rider. That’s for sure. People don’t understand the intensity of those ruts. Let alone all the jumps and precision. Nice work.
I’m not normally in favour of electric vehicles, but I can see the electric motorcross bikes being the saviour of the motorcross sport. With more and more people complaining about the noise from these events the quiet electric bikes could save the sport. And this video proves that there’s no loss of speed and spectacular racing.
For 30 years there had been a short oval race track Five years ago a wealthy person bought a house half a mile away and complauned about the noise and wanted the track closed. A cpuple of townies bought a house in a quiet village and then complained about the church bells.
What is really amazing is how well Stark got the handling and suspension. That Electric is faster is one thing, that a first year release bike competes on the pro level in all categories of quality, is AMAZING.
@@wornknobby Wrong, KTM was the first to do it they just didn't come in 1st place, Yamaha just gets the credit cause when they did it after KTM their bike won the race. Look it up you'll find it
@@IrnMaiden304 not wrong. You said the 4 stroke craze, not 4 strokes in off road. Yamaha with the tt500 would qualify with that grounding, of perhaps the xr line with their late 90s tech. Agree all of those were improvements but none started a craze. Yamaha with their completely new high revving design is what changed the sport. It is the standard now and after Henry's win was when the craze started . No other oem can make that claim.
@@wornknobby I said " 4 stroke race bike craze " so the TT and the XR are not MX RACE bikes, one would think being the type of video this is, the comment would be kinda obvious that we are talking about " Off-road MX ". Yamaha lobbied for AMA to make an exemption rule, KTM 540SX was the first bike out to use the rule ( there's your start to the 4 stroke RACE bike craze ), Yamaha didn't have their bike ready just yet, even though it was their own plea with the AMA for exemption, they weren't far behind though, when it finally did they won.
That and no shifting or rear brake pedal makes it much simpler to ride with proper foot position. unlimited power settings, flywheel, engine brake settings. No gyroscope effect from crankshaft. I feel like races will end up being more of a DH MTB race vibe with bells, horns, music instead of half the field with shitty running bikes sounding like hell.
Nope, people that complain about dirtbikes and racing will continue to complain even if there is less noise. Dust, environmental damage, too many people having more fun than themselves, they'll still complain.
It isn’t about the noise. It’s about happiness. You can sweat your ass off running a chainsaw all day and not one word from the neighbors. Fire up a pit bike and pissed neighbors come running.
@@phillipzx3754 A quiet Chain saw is the same Db as a loud 450 4 stroke. And we ride 50cc-125cc 4 stroke pit bikes with full exhausts. Take that as you wish 🤷♂️
My god I’m going to miss the sounds of 2 and 4 strokes, but the advantages of not having to shift/worry about clutch control are just too obvious to ignore. Even more attention can be dedicated to corner entry and exit speed and just applying the right amount of throttle.
Beyond boring. EV has NO place in anything racing... can you imagine an electric drag race or electric Nascar race...Nobody going to watch that stupid shit. The noise and racing gas exhaust fumes is what makes racing great. You guys can stuff your EV garbage
@@harm97 Faster bikes aren't boring. And honestly, at least this is an organic change rather than something entirely unfair forced by a silly rule change, like the AMA and manufacturers did with 4-strokes.
That was like bringing a stealth fighter to a cesna airplane race. The lack of noise alone gives it a higher advantage. You just have to keep looking forward and speed up if you here noise behind you and focus on getting around the noise in front of you full control and concentration on voing faster and faster. That would have beenore of a challenge had you raced each lap trying to beat your fastest time having movingvobstacles showing up. That machine is amazing.
We owe a great debt to the heroes of the ICE era. The noise! The spectacle! The dexterity required to deal with throttle, clutch, gears, etc. It was an age of legends. Hard men with the courage and crazy to push the sport to the edge of the possible. Nothing is lost, or forgotten about the ice age. It was and always will be special. It will just be the second fastest way to enjoy the sport of motocross going forward.
We owe a great debt to the heroes of the horse era. The noise! The spectacle! The dexterity required to deal with reigns, saddle, temperament, etc. It was an age of legends. Hard men with the courage and crazy to push the sport to the edge of the possible. - You, 150 years ago.
In the snowboard world, getting in and out of closed terrain that normally wouldnt be accessible unless you are really good, and not caught is key. Its called SWIFT SILENT DEEP. These electric dirtbikes bring your previously just imagined riding spots that you could never get away with riding on a 2 stroke because of the noise alone to fruition. You can get in, rip a sick jump or couple of turns and vanish, leaving nothing but rubber marks. Sounds like an absolute dream to me. 🤷♂️
I love my 2 stroke, but can’t ride it on my property because of the horses and neighbors. If I had an electric bike I could practice more at home and not have to waste 2 hours driving back and forth to the practice track in the middle of no where.
@@stevenleslie8557there's definitely a place and I hope they keep building motorcycles gas in the future because they are very small engines compared to cars anyway. But I wanna see someone build a hybrid bike
9.29.23 Where is this race at? How did 661 beat the Stark on the start? Like seeing the Stark racing and beating the gas bikes. The test will be how the Stark will hold up doing more races. Is this the Open Pro Class?
I would like to see a few comparable pro's run the varg up against a 450 or 500 2-stroke.... and then swap bikes to get a better understanding of which actually does dominate...
that’s a decent 12 minute run! picking smoother lines last couple laps…or was that voltage sag😂? Nevertheless, it’s a great demonstration of how far e motocross has progressed in the last decade. They contend now.👍
Although it would add weight, I wonder if they can make a water jacket around the electrical components like some high end custom computer builders used to do 20 years ago. Maybe running it cooler would help with a drop on voltage?
when i was racing they had t-shirts that said better a sister in a wh@r#house than a brother on a 4 stroke 1993 or so. lol does that tell you how old i am? i had the first yz80e 1978 with mono shock $520 tax and all new! remember the RAD-N-BAD girls of the early 90s? or were you not yet hatched? great ride young man!
Electric bikes can't be in Motorcross. They would have to be in their own class with equal electric drive systems. Their are so many restrictions in Motorcross to keep the bikes even.
Rules are always subject to change. They designed the rules so the 2 stroke couldn't compete, they can do the same again. I love EVs but i really don't want to see them be the only competitive option in MX.
Lemme get this straight, in all out "RACING" you want the Stark to be handicapped so that old technology can still compete? Is that what you want in the record as your opinion?
I want to know what number gearing he ran? Another pro rider rode one in the woods and it was set on 2 or 3 and he said that was almost to fast. I think it goes to 6 or 8! Insane! Cant wait to ride it, my son ordered one it should be here in November yee yee!
In my opinion, electric is definitely gonna have its place and will be great for noise restricted areas and open many doors.. that being said, I don’t think ( or want ) they will ever take over ama pro supercross or motocross. Atleast in my life time. But I do think that if Stark wants to have a factory team race the pro series that the ama should allow them..
4 strokes took over so the electric bikes could do the same. As the guy mentioned above the 2 strokes now have to race a class higher which is just ridiculous. The only issue I have with a 4 stroke is the sound. The 2 strokes sound so much better and the sound is critical to the fan base as well as small kids who will be the future of motocross. An electric bike is silly but there will be someone out there that likes them. This goes to show we can’t drift far from what a true race bike should be. Hell they restricted the sport for the damn 4 stroke making their own classes and making two strokes step up to the next class. Such crap and the reason so many have no interest anymore and not gaining new fans. The sport is a tough blue collar sport yet the bikes are not affordable to them so the bikes from the beginning are falling into the hands of the wrong kids. Middle class and poor kids need a chance to ride and race
@terracer I tell you that the two strokes are far superior than any 4 stroke. This is way they make them race a class up and restricted the pro class to 250 and 450 now. I really don’t have an answer but I know it’s not the EPA because after some research it was Honda and Yamaha pushing these 4 strokes and why I don’t know because Honda had the best 2 stroke ever. I turned my back on motocross in the mid 2000’s and next thing you know all the 2 strokes were gone. It was sickening. If the EPA was behind this then they wouldn’t be making 2 strokes still which they still do. The other issue is no one wants to buy them only to have to race a class up which is not fair and just stupid when you think about it. If it’s a 250 then it should race the 250 class period. Also if you think of all racing the EPA can’t do anything to them such as all car racing and also superbikes and all those out out a heck of a lot more fuel in the air
@@zackk695 let's see middle class and poor kids get off there LAZY butts and work and buy a bike and lay down those x boxes and skate boards. All they want to do is walk the streets and show off tennis shoes.... the hell with them lock them up and feed them beans.
4eva 4stroker. Mid-range hog heaven flying with style, confidence, and swagger. Anyone ridding 2stroke is on a 125 with aftermarket parts buzzing eardrums from a mile and half out. 👏😮💨 🤤that dirt throwing machine of mercurial beauty. 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩 🤓😙😏
I have a question. Was the rider yelling at the other riders as he was going to pass to let them know he was there? Could they really hear him if he was?
Video after video of the start varg just truly impressing me even though I love the smell of two strokes. But times are changing and Stark has truly built a competitive bike. Now if they can just get those batteries to last a full 3 hours for a GNCC race you will see a lot of people racing them. Great ride by the way you are the got past him easier if he wouldn't have did such a good job blocking you but as soon as you got the first chance all he saw was your rear end ride by😊
Awesome to see! It’s really exciting to follow the evolution of electric bikes. The guys complaining in the comments will eventually get electric bikes as well when they catch up mentally to the positive sides of of driving and owning electric vehicles👏🏻
I have one and love it, but EV bikes in sanctioned events will kill the sport. Give them a class of their own if we’re bringing them in. They’re literally cheat codes. The power is instant, there’s no gears so don’t even worry about remembering what gear you’re in throughout the race and what gear you need to be in to hit a certain jump or rhythm, no clutch on your start and to feather your throttle in corners. Mentally they’re so much easier to ride. I love all my bike and scooter, but if you allow them to run against gas the sport will die.
Destroying the environment via electric battery mining/manufacturing etc is not positive. Yes, electric has many positives, but environmental concerns is not one of them. This will become more evident as the years roll on.
For this race the bike was actually dialled down to match the horsepower of the four strokes. If this was cranked up to its max the gap would be ridiculous. Hard pill to swallow for us but it looks like this may be the very near future. Its a sad day for Mx
I don’t think its’s necessarily a sad day, this may be faster, but motorsport, for most people, js about fun, not performance, and the level of fun that ICE provides will never be matched.
they should have a clutch to feather mid turn right? does the track let you fill ur tank with electrons free? is there a quick charge dc charger you can install in ur chop?
Right about now the officials are asking, "What are we gonna do about these electric bikes?" Personally they seem like fun but a race of whisper quiet bikes, just wouldn't attract me to a day at the races. Also part of the emotion of racing is the sound. I'm an Old 2 Stroke guy who use to race in the 80's and saw the introduction of 4 strokes and 2 strokes fazed out. We use to have a 4 stroke class where people mainly raced YZ two stroke frames with XR Honda motors, long before the companies were making four stroke racers, my point is that we had a separate class for 4 strokes as the main bikes were two strokes, I think Electric bikes should have their own class, we should though bring back 2 strokes, perhaps race 380cc 2's against the 450cc 4's
It’s a spectator sport and without spectators watching at the track, on TV and online, it would be in trouble. I don’t think the fans want to hear 40 electric bikes squeaking around the track. 😂 They want the roar of engines. That said, I think there is a place for adding an electric class.
Supercross gets way more attendance because it's in stadium located in cities moto tracks get less attendance because they are far away from cities. They have to be far away because of noise
You should list the power setting. I've been waiting to see the Varg racing 450's, I think it is significantly superior & in a class of it's own. I'd love to see the Varg allowed to compete in the big pro' circuits.
Love watching electric dominate Ice. I hope people watching understand how much better electric vehicles are. Electric is what any ice car guy has been tying to make their car with bigger exhausts turbos etc. but way simpler and just so much better. I destroyed a $350k Porsche turbo on a hiway mountain race with my Rivian, could have done it still even with this electric dirt bike in the box…
I grew up at the track, my dad raced, by brother raced and of course so did I. The smell of spent 2stroke fuel and the sound... BRRRRAG! BRRRRAP! literally warms my soul. The feeling I get is near indescribable.
That being said, as sad as I am to say, petrol is dead. Now that batteries have come to the point where they are and just keep getting better, the instant torque WOW! You could see his acceleration being hampered by traction off the line keeping him from leaving them all right there. That first lap it was clear to see he just needed enough space to keep traction and he'll fly right by which he did. New era of speed we're entering with cars and bikes... an amazing time indeed. Thrilled I get to see it!
Oh man, I love the smell of two stroke in the morning 😁, still got a few stroker's hiding, saying that, this was a good reason electric works, instant torque made those jumps easy Travis Pastrana was raving about how well they are suited to Motocross, given his slightly abused body, he said it made it a lot easier for him.
i'm glad I grew up in the 70's.
Awesome!!!!!
traction is right. tires have to be designed differently with less emphasis on rotational mass and more on traction.
Pure domination. You are an incredible rider. That’s for sure. People don’t understand the intensity of those ruts. Let alone all the jumps and precision. Nice work.
How to dominate: cut the video when other bikes pass you, like the 2-stroke at 4:55 😂
I’m not normally in favour of electric vehicles, but I can see the electric motorcross bikes being the saviour of the motorcross sport. With more and more people complaining about the noise from these events the quiet electric bikes could save the sport. And this video proves that there’s no loss of speed and spectacular racing.
lol. the more things change, the more they stay the same
People who complain are kinda dumb. nobody told them to move next to a Motocross track..
For 30 years there had been a short oval race track Five years ago a wealthy person bought a house half a mile away and complauned about the noise and wanted the track closed. A cpuple of townies bought a house in a quiet village and then complained about the church bells.
After the noise they will complain about the dust.. pissers and moaners are never happy.
They make mufflers, they don't "have" to be loud. The noise is a choice.
What is really amazing is how well Stark got the handling and suspension. That Electric is faster is one thing, that a first year release bike competes on the pro level in all categories of quality, is AMAZING.
Almost like how KTM started the 4 stroke race bike craze
@@IrnMaiden304 who started the 4-stroke craze?
Check your data, it was yamaha with the yz400f
@@wornknobby Wrong, KTM was the first to do it they just didn't come in 1st place, Yamaha just gets the credit cause when they did it after KTM their bike won the race. Look it up you'll find it
@@IrnMaiden304 not wrong.
You said the 4 stroke craze, not 4 strokes in off road. Yamaha with the tt500 would qualify with that grounding, of perhaps the xr line with their late 90s tech. Agree all of those were improvements but none started a craze. Yamaha with their completely new high revving design is what changed the sport. It is the standard now and after Henry's win was when the craze started . No other oem can make that claim.
@@wornknobby I said " 4 stroke race bike craze " so the TT and the XR are not MX RACE bikes, one would think being the type of video this is, the comment would be kinda obvious that we are talking about " Off-road MX ".
Yamaha lobbied for AMA to make an exemption rule, KTM 540SX was the first bike out to use the rule ( there's your start to the 4 stroke RACE bike craze ), Yamaha didn't have their bike ready just yet, even though it was their own plea with the AMA for exemption, they weren't far behind though, when it finally did they won.
The smooth swift delivery of electric torque is what makes this motorcycle a sport changing machine!
As long as the race is shorter than 11 mins.
@@bobeyes3284 Josh Hill has a video on his channel. He rode his over an hour at 100% power settings with 24% battery left.
That and no shifting or rear brake pedal makes it much simpler to ride with proper foot position. unlimited power settings, flywheel, engine brake settings. No gyroscope effect from crankshaft. I feel like races will end up being more of a DH MTB race vibe with bells, horns, music instead of half the field with shitty running bikes sounding like hell.
@@MichiganManiak And imagine the ability to shit talk as you’re making a pass 😅
@@BrickBike I think that may be the best part!
How many times did I get the urge to flick that ball of roost off...?!
Another point, if electric had own class tracks could be made alot closer to built up areas.
Nope, people that complain about dirtbikes and racing will continue to complain even if there is less noise. Dust, environmental damage, too many people having more fun than themselves, they'll still complain.
It isn’t about the noise. It’s about happiness. You can sweat your ass off running a chainsaw all day and not one word from the neighbors. Fire up a pit bike and pissed neighbors come running.
@@ZacharyTelesca That's probaly because of the 30 db increase in NOISE. 🙂
@@phillipzx3754 A quiet Chain saw is the same Db as a loud 450 4 stroke. And we ride 50cc-125cc 4 stroke pit bikes with full exhausts. Take that as you wish 🤷♂️
No, because the land becomes more valuable for building houses then for the sport of Motocross racing.
Nice seeing the electric bike doing so well. The idea of going riding, and nobody will know and complain to local PD.
It doesn't sound as cool, but damn does it move.
How did he keep the electrical cord from getting tangled up?
for non swedish speakers Stark varg means "Strong Wolf" just a fun sidenote..
Wow!
This is the future of MX arenas which must close because of the noise.
What a performance too!
What a silence, thank you.
Silence is so boring.
Wow !!! This was so Amazing ! Loved it !!
My god I’m going to miss the sounds of 2 and 4 strokes, but the advantages of not having to shift/worry about clutch control are just too obvious to ignore. Even more attention can be dedicated to corner entry and exit speed and just applying the right amount of throttle.
It’s going to be boring
Beyond boring. EV has NO place in anything racing... can you imagine an electric drag race or electric Nascar race...Nobody going to watch that stupid shit. The noise and racing gas exhaust fumes is what makes racing great. You guys can stuff your EV garbage
transmission is still important, esp for long and technical tracks
@@harm97 Not when you're lapping faster than you ever have before.
@@harm97 Faster bikes aren't boring. And honestly, at least this is an organic change rather than something entirely unfair forced by a silly rule change, like the AMA and manufacturers did with 4-strokes.
I think around 4:46, a 2-stroke had caught him and passed him... that's why there cut in the video at that point Lol
That is a little suspect. I’m not sure though.
This was really satisfying to watch. Well done!
When the electric bike hit that straight stretch, it simply out-horsepowered that four stroke.
That was like bringing a stealth fighter to a cesna airplane race. The lack of noise alone gives it a higher advantage. You just have to keep looking forward and speed up if you here noise behind you and focus on getting around the noise in front of you full control and concentration on voing faster and faster. That would have beenore of a challenge had you raced each lap trying to beat your fastest time having movingvobstacles showing up. That machine is amazing.
We owe a great debt to the heroes of the ICE era. The noise! The spectacle! The dexterity required to deal with throttle, clutch, gears, etc. It was an age of legends. Hard men with the courage and crazy to push the sport to the edge of the possible. Nothing is lost, or forgotten about the ice age. It was and always will be special. It will just be the second fastest way to enjoy the sport of motocross going forward.
Well said.
We owe a great debt to the heroes of the horse era. The noise! The spectacle! The dexterity required to deal with reigns, saddle, temperament, etc. It was an age of legends. Hard men with the courage and crazy to push the sport to the edge of the possible.
- You, 150 years ago.
@@Mp57navy Let us not forget those dauntless pioneers who rose from walking on four legs to walking on two!
@@Mp57navy well there is a lot of respect for cowboys...
So rad! Excellent riding Nico and Jeremy! ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡
In the snowboard world, getting in and out of closed terrain that normally wouldnt be accessible unless you are really good, and not caught is key. Its called SWIFT SILENT DEEP. These electric dirtbikes bring your previously just imagined riding spots that you could never get away with riding on a 2 stroke because of the noise alone to fruition. You can get in, rip a sick jump or couple of turns and vanish, leaving nothing but rubber marks. Sounds like an absolute dream to me. 🤷♂️
Yelling reminds me of the Enduro, harescrambles days.
I love my 2 stroke, but can’t ride it on my property because of the horses and neighbors. If I had an electric bike I could practice more at home and not have to waste 2 hours driving back and forth to the practice track in the middle of no where.
Just think of the places we could put track with electric bikes.
Bingo
@@stevenleslie8557there's definitely a place and I hope they keep building motorcycles gas in the future because they are very small engines compared to cars anyway.
But I wanna see someone build a hybrid bike
@@alectateformayor5129 I wonder why we haven't seen one. It could be a weight issue.
I would miss the smell of 2 stroke exhaust LOL. Castor oil
Castrol
and the sound of the angry two stroke hornet......
Now you can listen to audio books while you race.
You can bet Japan is getting ready in case they need to release its own line of e-motocross bikes.
Not in case. They are going to release them anyways
Honda just released theirs .
Love this Ride a Long. I heard your fans as you went by. Call them your Energizer Bunnies.
Yelling at the lappers had me rollin' hahaha
I'm not surprised that the E-bike had that much power, but rather, that it could do it that long on one charge! That was incredible.
Do you think they run on AA batteries or something??
crazy enough i bet its not even at 50%
I think the next size up...18650 Lithium Ion cells (Li-Ni Co Mn)@@denislopez373
I'm sold. Where can I get one?
How is the classes sorted? I mean is there some way to equate the capacity of an electric bike so it's comparable to cc's?
Horsepower maybe. then dial the Electric bikes to match the 4 strokes
Even if the electric bike has the same power it would dominate gas bikes just because of the instant torque.
9.29.23 Where is this race at? How did 661 beat the Stark on the start? Like seeing the Stark racing and beating the gas bikes. The test will be how the Stark will hold up doing more races. Is this the Open Pro Class?
661 was on an electric bike also.
The next step of evolution in the sport of Motocross, for sure.
Voila LA VIDEO qu'on attendait. Les autres motos font un vacarme, vivement que tout ça s'arrête et qu'on passe à l'électrique !
I ride all day, electric won’t cut it!
I would like to see a few comparable pro's run the varg up against a 450 or 500 2-stroke.... and then swap bikes to get a better understanding of which actually does dominate...
There are some videos out now doing just that!
Plenty of TH-cam videos for you to search
What about the sensations of the engine sound and the smell? They impose electrified shit on us that no one asks for or wants.
The sound of a full grid of four strokes, nothing ever sounded so far away😂👌
New brakes every race or substantial slowdown when not throttling?
The sport will be radically different next 5-10 years.
Great performance!
What was this shot with? Insanely good quality. My gopro is no where near.
What's the weight difference between electric and regular bikes
that’s a decent 12 minute run! picking smoother lines last couple laps…or was that voltage sag😂? Nevertheless, it’s a great demonstration of how far e motocross has progressed in the last decade. They contend now.👍
Although it would add weight, I wonder if they can make a water jacket around the electrical components like some high end custom computer builders used to do 20 years ago. Maybe running it cooler would help with a drop on voltage?
@@reineherrera8897 they are water cooled already on the varg. combustion engines also loose power at the end of a moto...
Josh Hill rode his over an hour at 100% power settings with 24% battery left.
@@reineherrera8897 high end computers have radiators now. still doing it!!
@@reineherrera8897batteries actually put more out when theyre hotter! If your car wont start in thr bush, warm it by a fire.
Maybe a backwards facing camera also. It would be nice to see the other bikes lol. Great job!!
Damn that thing is rolling 🤣😲
Shouldn't the electrics run in a separate class ? Different output/weight etc. ?
How are these electric bikes classed against combustion engine bikes? is it on horsepower?
Fricken incredible!
Smooth insta power!! Very nice riding too
Is it you or the bike?
Your a very good rider!
when i was racing they had t-shirts that said better a sister in a wh@r#house than a brother on a 4 stroke 1993 or so. lol does that tell you how old i am? i had the first yz80e 1978 with mono shock $520 tax and all new! remember the RAD-N-BAD girls of the early 90s? or were you not yet hatched? great ride young man!
Whoever was right behind you on a 2 stroke is a absolute beast
My gawd, that thing is IMPRESSIVE.
Just as i expected. Awsome man. Bet some people were crying. I need one asap 😂
Good race. Be interesting to see how one of these bikes fairs in the MXGP or AMA 450 class.
20min. After that is end of Battery
@@joerglukas6663 Go ask uncle Elon to make a better battery 😁
anyone else notice at least half the track marshalls not paying attention, just staring off into space? that was sweet though.
Electric bikes can't be in Motorcross. They would have to be in their own class with equal electric drive systems. Their are so many restrictions in Motorcross to keep the bikes even.
Rules are always subject to change. They designed the rules so the 2 stroke couldn't compete, they can do the same again. I love EVs but i really don't want to see them be the only competitive option in MX.
gonna be open classes run whatever you want
Lemme get this straight, in all out "RACING" you want the Stark to be handicapped so that old technology can still compete? Is that what you want in the record as your opinion?
nice riding !
I want to know what number gearing he ran? Another pro rider rode one in the woods and it was set on 2 or 3 and he said that was almost to fast. I think it goes to 6 or 8! Insane! Cant wait to ride it, my son ordered one it should be here in November yee yee!
In my opinion, electric is definitely gonna have its place and will be great for noise restricted areas and open many doors.. that being said, I don’t think ( or want ) they will ever take over ama pro supercross or motocross. Atleast in my life time. But I do think that if Stark wants to have a factory team race the pro series that the ama should allow them..
Or let the same cc 4t and 2t run with each other???? That’s what we all actually want to see
No clutch, no shifting, no way.
4 strokes took over so the electric bikes could do the same. As the guy mentioned above the 2 strokes now have to race a class higher which is just ridiculous. The only issue I have with a 4 stroke is the sound. The 2 strokes sound so much better and the sound is critical to the fan base as well as small kids who will be the future of motocross. An electric bike is silly but there will be someone out there that likes them. This goes to show we can’t drift far from what a true race bike should be. Hell they restricted the sport for the damn 4 stroke making their own classes and making two strokes step up to the next class. Such crap and the reason so many have no interest anymore and not gaining new fans. The sport is a tough blue collar sport yet the bikes are not affordable to them so the bikes from the beginning are falling into the hands of the wrong kids. Middle class and poor kids need a chance to ride and race
@terracer I tell you that the two strokes are far superior than any 4 stroke. This is way they make them race a class up and restricted the pro class to 250 and 450 now. I really don’t have an answer but I know it’s not the EPA because after some research it was Honda and Yamaha pushing these 4 strokes and why I don’t know because Honda had the best 2 stroke ever. I turned my back on motocross in the mid 2000’s and next thing you know all the 2 strokes were gone. It was sickening. If the EPA was behind this then they wouldn’t be making 2 strokes still which they still do. The other issue is no one wants to buy them only to have to race a class up which is not fair and just stupid when you think about it. If it’s a 250 then it should race the 250 class period. Also if you think of all racing the EPA can’t do anything to them such as all car racing and also superbikes and all those out out a heck of a lot more fuel in the air
@@zackk695 let's see middle class and poor kids get off there LAZY butts and work and buy a bike and lay down those x boxes and skate boards. All they want to do is walk the streets and show off tennis shoes.... the hell with them lock them up and feed them beans.
No need to be upset. Now you have a 3rd choice when it comes to dirtbikes. 4 stroke, 2 stroke or electric.
4eva 4stroker. Mid-range hog heaven flying with style, confidence, and swagger. Anyone ridding 2stroke is on a 125 with aftermarket parts buzzing eardrums from a mile and half out. 👏😮💨
🤤that dirt throwing machine of mercurial beauty. 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
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I have a question. Was the rider yelling at the other riders as he was going to pass to let them know he was there? Could they really hear him if he was?
Video after video of the start varg just truly impressing me even though I love the smell of two strokes. But times are changing and Stark has truly built a competitive bike. Now if they can just get those batteries to last a full 3 hours for a GNCC race you will see a lot of people racing them. Great ride by the way you are the got past him easier if he wouldn't have did such a good job blocking you but as soon as you got the first chance all he saw was your rear end ride by😊
Awesome to see! It’s really exciting to follow the evolution of electric bikes. The guys complaining in the comments will eventually get electric bikes as well when they catch up mentally to the positive sides of of driving and owning electric vehicles👏🏻
I have one and love it, but EV bikes in sanctioned events will kill the sport. Give them a class of their own if we’re bringing them in. They’re literally cheat codes. The power is instant, there’s no gears so don’t even worry about remembering what gear you’re in throughout the race and what gear you need to be in to hit a certain jump or rhythm, no clutch on your start and to feather your throttle in corners. Mentally they’re so much easier to ride. I love all my bike and scooter, but if you allow them to run against gas the sport will die.
Destroying the environment via electric battery mining/manufacturing etc is not positive. Yes, electric has many positives, but environmental concerns is not one of them. This will become more evident as the years roll on.
Literally the only advantage is the speed. There is no other advantage especially environmentally to owning any electric vehicle
Amazing video if you start the race with hundred percent and your motto is 25 minutes, what percentage you come out of the race?
Great rider on a good bike.
Was 661 also on an electric bike (see 1:38)?
YES
and yes... a horn, or a bell so he doesn't have to waste his breath yelling to pass. LOL
Why theres a cut at 4:53? That 2-stroke was making a clean pass.
Electric dirt bikes definitely have their place.Especially in the urban areas.I still love the sound and smell of a 2 stroke though.
That bike really needs a horn to warn other riders to get out of the way! Incredible skill and performance!
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Lol😂 @ the horn idea!
Your title should probably give proper credit to the varg! People need to understand this is no Sur-ron.
Were you making 4 stroke noises in your head on the start? lol
Coen was very unpredictable. Doesn't look fun to be behind him lol
How many electric bikes were out there? Seems like top 2 are?
2 electric bike
actually will open the way for mx tracks in suburban areas that will be electric only and won't get closed down due to noise.
Is the e bike much heavier
I think they’re 243 pounds same weight as a 450
For this race the bike was actually dialled down to match the horsepower of the four strokes. If this was cranked up to its max the gap would be ridiculous. Hard pill to swallow for us but it looks like this may be the very near future. Its a sad day for Mx
I don’t think its’s necessarily a sad day, this may be faster, but motorsport, for most people, js about fun, not performance, and the level of fun that ICE provides will never be matched.
Change is always bad
What was the machine
Well, so much running the hell out of your bike to get the blue exhaust badge 😂 i dig these electric bikes 🤙🏻 always gonna be a gasser fan tho 🤘🏻
they should have a clutch to feather mid turn right? does the track let you fill ur tank with electrons free? is there a quick charge dc charger you can install in ur chop?
You don’t need one. You really should only be using a clutch on an ICE bike by exception anyways.
Electric is fast you don't need a clutch just turn the throttle and hang on.
Right about now the officials are asking, "What are we gonna do about these electric bikes?" Personally they seem like fun but a race of whisper quiet bikes, just wouldn't attract me to a day at the races. Also part of the emotion of racing is the sound. I'm an Old 2 Stroke guy who use to race in the 80's and saw the introduction of 4 strokes and 2 strokes fazed out. We use to have a 4 stroke class where people mainly raced YZ two stroke frames with XR Honda motors, long before the companies were making four stroke racers, my point is that we had a separate class for 4 strokes as the main bikes were two strokes, I think Electric bikes should have their own class, we should though bring back 2 strokes, perhaps race 380cc 2's against the 450cc 4's
The death of all motor sports. The dentist drill! ZZZzssss!
That electric bike will pass your gas!
I think around 4:53 a 2 Stroke passes him. The video is clipped
Yep, I could hear the 2 stroke coming up behind and then it was gone about the time the video jumped.
It’s a spectator sport and without spectators watching at the track, on TV and online, it would be in trouble. I don’t think the fans want to hear 40 electric bikes squeaking around the track. 😂 They want the roar of engines. That said, I think there is a place for adding an electric class.
Supercross gets way more attendance because it's in stadium located in cities moto tracks get less attendance because they are far away from cities.
They have to be far away because of noise
The Supercross E 50 class is one of my favorites. No hearing protection for the kids and you can actually talk about the race during the race.
Exactly...the sounds of horsepower not the purring and whining
Whatever YOU think.....
@5:57 Some kid clearly yells out "Electrics Suck!"
Please don't let electric bikes take over. The sound and the smell of racing fuel is part of the mx experience. Ahhhh!!!!
Thanks for stating what many are missing.
Smell this .
Just imagine if they were all electric, it would be the quietest dirt bike race in history😂😂😂
It would be boring to watch.
That bike is OP
Amazing we all lost so many spot cause of the noise and yes not having clutch is one less thing to worry
You can keep all that 2 stroke noise and smoke.
That thing is quick....!!
That Thing needs a Road Runner Beep Beep horn!!!🛵💨
You should list the power setting. I've been waiting to see the Varg racing 450's, I think it is significantly superior & in a class of it's own. I'd love to see the Varg allowed to compete in the big pro' circuits.
55hp vs 80hp? Yeah I don't think they'll be racing with the 450s lol that's like having a 450 race 85s.
Add a two-stroke sound-track.....it'll sell billions!!
Love watching electric dominate Ice. I hope people watching understand how much better electric vehicles are. Electric is what any ice car guy has been tying to make their car with bigger exhausts turbos etc. but way simpler and just so much better. I destroyed a $350k Porsche turbo on a hiway mountain race with my Rivian, could have done it still even with this electric dirt bike in the box…
Ma non dire cazzate😂
Nothing like the Sound of 500cc Two-stroke
I would like to it’s performance in an enduro race. :)
If they make changeable battery packs ( r/c cars, tools, etc). That you could swap between motos , the gas engines are finished.