@@wormwormedTH-cam is a business, the more viewers you get the more money you get. Thumbnails like these have over saturated content creators across all platforms of social media for around a decade now. The reason is that thumbnails like this one with the sudden change in text color and capitalization along with the exclamations on the tip of the nosedive attract more viewers. If he changed the thumbnail style you would actually see a decline in the amount of views the videos get. Sad but true, more views is more money. Remember, this is a primary source of air crash investigation’s income. If I can gain an additional percentage of revenue just for formatting my thumbnail differently then I would as well. Besides, most TH-camrs do it. Mr. Ballen, Scary Interesting, Greendot, Mr. Beast. The dramatics in the thumbnail draws the eye of the viewer even before seeing the content itself.
I was in traffic the other day next to an older guy driving a Buick Terrain SUV, and immediately thought that if I had to own one of those, I would have to have “PULL UP” on my license plate…
really, these planes basically fly themselves nowadays, and to the extent they don't, they will literally speak to the pilot and tell him what to do step by step in order to fly it. being a pilot is not what it was like in the 1970s. just like when school buses were first invented, the BEST drivers were sought out to drive them. now the WORST drivers are school bus drivers because they just pull from the bottom of the barrel and nobody wants to end up as a public employee lol. there is just no excuse for such terrible and dangerous piloting.
@@jhanks2012these planes basically fly the same as in the old days. The automation might be more complex, but it all does the same thing as back then, just that it does it better now.
Why wouldn't the First Officer call back "Flaps 15" when changing it as confirmation? If that's not standard procedure, it seems like an air crash waiting to happen.
Confirming an instruction should become a standard practice, particularly if it sounds unusual. In this case, either the first officer was not conversant with the aircraft, or he misread the dial. Personally, I think the latter was more likely and he thought that he had selected 5.
@@rc70ys The latter was what I suspected. The flaps lever is next to the throttles, so the "1" could have been concealed or in a shadow. The first officer was fairly new to the aircraft. He may have also been on a call to ATC at the time. He should have known the importance of flap positions as part of his training and also to give full concentration to flying over everything else.
Outstanding video! I was on an old DC-8 that left Hilo Hawaii for a night flight returning to the mainland in 1968. Ditto experience. Shortly after takeoff, the aircraft DROPPED. It just kept falling and I thought we might smack the ocean, but it finally regained lift and resumed climb-out. Crew made no announcement or comment. Just silence, quiet terror. Nice video, sir! 🇺🇸💛🇳🇱
In 1974 at Clark AB in the Philippines, we were on a Flying Tiger DC-8, taking off on a hot afternoon. That plane used every inch of the runway to leave the ground, and I swear I could count the neighborhood cats and dogs as we skimmed low over the town before we gained enough altitude. I think if one of the engines had hiccuped, we'd have made national news.
@@adotintheshark4848 Yes, my father was a principal engineer in cargo systems at McDonnell-Douglas during the time, and told me that cargo aircraft bore a heavier loads than passenger aircraft. Ah, yah, Flying Tiger Line was also using Canadair CL-44 swing-tail turboprops then. Fascinating airplane.
They actually did report it through an internal reporting system, which is what you’re supposed to do. The NTSB just doesn’t hear about it unless it gets reported to them. The only reason the NTSB investigated it is because it went viral months later. The internal reporting system is used to help train for future incidents.
Cause they didn't want to get hell for it. They kept their mouths shut. The captains command was not confirmed as it should have been.😡😠😡😵😵 I hope they learned their lesson. COMMAND AND CONFIRM THE DAMN COMMAND. It's A MUST, A serious MUST. 😵😡😠
This crew got behind the aircraft straight after takeoff. The flap setting error is not why the plane nearing crashed. It was one in a series of cascading failures. The FO made a number of communication and flight monitoring errors. There were a number of times the PIC briefly stopped aviating because he was troubleshooting. Know your role and do your job. And never forget for every command, there must be a callback and a confirmation.
I suppose it's understandable (though not excusable) that the FO made the flap error because the flaps 5 setting is one notch away from the flaps 15 setting. If normal takeoffs used the flaps 15 setting, then moving the selector one notch to flaps 5 would have been his "normal" muscle memory reaction. Since this flight used the unusual setting of flaps 20, his normal action of moving the selector one notch only moved it to the flaps 15 setting. This is called expectation bias and it has caused numerous aviation accidents.
United May have changed the training and emphasized communication but there is STILL nothing to prevent it from happening again. Also, anytime there is an incident where significant altitude is lost on takeoff, landing or during flight it should be made mandatory that its reported!!!!
Training and awareness is the correct solution here, it was purely pilot error. SOP’s only work if they are followed, CRM only works if there is effective communication. You can never prevent pilot error from happening again, only mitigate. EGPWS & UPRT were in place to save the day here. Of course if you know better than the experts feel free to share your recommendations. The FAA are a long way behind EASA on reporting. For a European operator that would definitely be a mandatory report, also the FDM programme is mandatory for airlines and would have picked that up, as would have ATC. The safety culture particularly when it comes to self reporting is much stronger within EASA and the UK.
Agh...Here i go again, a bucket filled with popcorn and a note bk and jst writing my points down!! Keep em comin. Very Informative esp. for someone whose new to the industry!!!👏
@@kellyanderson7624…Pilot: 55 years old, 19,600 hours, NOT a “DEI” hire. Second Pilot: 5,300. Still not a “DEI” hire. It takes time and commitment to accrue even 5,300 hour.
To me, the pilots should have returned to Maui after such a serious flight deviation, pulled the CVR and FDR breakers and let the investigation happen. Instead, they kept flying and significant data was lost. I would not want to continue a flight across the Pacific with pilots who nearly crashed the plane minutes into the flight.
its was not reported lol, and the pilots just went home as normal, they know their jobs were on the line, so instead of thinking about the long term positives of learning from the event they just decided to think of themselves........
There is not a great deal of point in telling other pilots not to get their flaps in the wrong position. If the situation had been less obvious, then their would have been something to learn.
@@wilsjane Stupid comment, from every incident there is something to learn, the passenger response to the situation, how the flight stewards responded to the 15 -20 seconds of imminent death, why the pilot misheard the information and why he did not repeat a verbal command when dialing in the flaps position. Oh just a normal day at the office they were meters away from hitting the ocean. And the fact that all the passengers and all the flight stewards, and pilots just continued on as nothing had happened...... Lots to learn
Pilots Obsession with Flaps Overspeed Nearly Kills All. Dude. You gotta chill. Even if you set the flaps yourself, you should check the setting before assuming anything is wrong beyond that.
There is no reason to ever push the nose down below the horizon after takeoff unless totally unsure of ones IFR skills. And definitely don't chase a flap speed. And as I have always contended...the pilot flying should get their own flaps....how many times has this happened to me. Two people flying the aircraft...FAA approved...just add a stick pusher for the third source flying the aircraft and you have a real mess on your hands.
Very common and normal to use a maximum thrust setting for takeoff when low level windshear advisories are in effect. We are so lucky this wasn’t the tragedy it almost became.
The whole "Flap Relief" system on the Boeings is a little confusing & most of us don't know the details unless we had an issue or worked the simulators as IP or you really really read & remember the FOM. You'll get the alarm on the EICAS but the automation won't take any action unless ur flaps 30' (I think), On top of that it's not uncommon during a sim check out to hear "what the heck is that" when the "Flap Relief" alarm indicates which is followed by the answer of "oh that's a flap overspeed" which is followed by the check rider saying "oh, why don't they just say that". This is sort of my recollection as I hung my wings up a few years ago but it can be confusing. On top of this I believe all Boeing ATC have six flap settings vs. Airbus four (320, 330, 340, etc.) so it's the less is easier approach for The French. The good news is it's confusing because many will go there whole careers and never even know the EICAS call out exists as the issue as seen in this video is incredibly rare.
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I am not sure what was so unclear...overspeed, pitch up - We did that in the early Cessna training. All the information was on the attitude indicator. Sometimes I wonder how some people get their pilot's license.
9:40 This was First Officer error. The Captain said flaps 5 and he put it on flaps 15. Luckily the pilot realized it and was able to gain control just in time. There were no injuries because it was during takeoff which required everyone to have seatbelts on. Most turbulence injuries occur when passengers remove seatbelts
How did the PIC not see the flap indicator on his secondary PFD? Also poor CRM, the FO should have read back the command and confirmed flaps 5. This is a prime example of a crew being well behind their aircraft and compounding simple errors into a near unrecoverable condition
I can tell you as a pilot flying a high speed jet. Our eyes can only physically focus on a spot about the size of a thumb stretched out at arms length. That's just how the brain and eyes work on a human body. This is why we are instead trained on how to scan our instruments when we fly, because it is very easy and deadly to focus on just one instrument such as an airspeed indicator during a flap overspeed. It's a good thing airliners have two pilots, because the other pilot, known as the pilot monitoring, doesn't have to focus on flying and can instead allow his brain to take in the full view of the cockpit and understand the whole picture of what is going on. To put it simply. It is like being on a highway on the side of a mountain with the driver trying to glace over and figure out if the stereo system was hooked up to his phone's Bluetooth or the passenger's. It works a lot better if the front seat passenger takes care of that while the driver focuses on scaning the road and instruments.
It’s hard to believe that the first officer doesn’t have to repeat the settings out loud for verification! In medicine we always repeat orders verbally AND look for confirmation.
Nothing to do with the type of aircraft. Could have happened on an Airbus. Human factor. The Boeing 777 is an excellent air plane and its pilots love it. Be more serious before expressing yourself publicly.
@@theenthusiasticamateurpian9033 While I agree with you, the most common reason people post comments to TH-cam videos is that readers don't know who you actually are. So, you can say something sarcastic or simply very stupid and not get called on it. Educators today want to protect fragile kids' egos by not having grading systems that tell you how dumb you are at an early age. So, many folks don't realize how poorly their minds work. And, not knowing, they don't try harder or spend more time trying to learn. Making a fool of yourself in public is the new and POPULAR thing to do.
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 There are thousands of Boeing planes flying every day. No real problems. The "If it is Boeing, I'm not going" crowd is overly fearful. I was going to say scared "snowflakes" but that might not be fair. Then again, the continuing fears about Boeing are likely not fair either. Airbus is not everywhere, as you said, and has its own problems that are not as well advertised as the Boeing ones.
They'll call him a "hero" for "averting disaster" ... a disaster which he created and only was able to avoid by finally doing his job and following protocols he had trained thousands of hours to do. TOTALLY UNFIT TO FLY. period.
Surely when a input is heard as in this case pilot to first officer it is repeated back to the pilot, "flaps adjusted to 15 ". No you eejit i said 5. Oh ok then, " flaps correction adjustment from 15 to 5". Thank you first officer. You would have caused us a real concern at 15. Yeah just as well we repeat commands given to each other for clarity and confirmation because communication is a most vital aspect of aviation safety. And given your Ryan Air experience we need to be extra vigilant. Top 😅😅 of the morning to ye.
Great video! This is super. I've got to say, that is probably the best rendered 777 I've seen. Very good quality models and really well done. Especially the wings. Most rendered models don't get them right, either missing the dihedral or, more often, not getting the "bent" in-flight shape added. Yours are perfect! Even the interior of the airplane is very accurate. And the double-plus chord fairing at the wing root is spot on! Something many people don't even know exists. A couple things got missed, however. Like when showing the liftoff, the brakes were bright red as if overheated. Not very likely on climb-out! The other one is that the airplane shown is a 777-300, not the -200. The -200 doesn't have an overwing exit but the -300 does. Those are really nitpicks, I admit, and don't really detract from the information. I just mention it so that those curious know what they're seeing. Overall, a great video. To the point, informative and accurate. As an aviation professional, I appreciate those who just give the facts in an informative way rather than the hype and drama. Keep up the good work!
How often does the Ground Terrain warning ( Pull Up ! ) actually prevent a crash ?? Not very often it seems ?? If you watch air crash videos anyway...??🤔
I see... The FO selected flaps 15 which set the plane up to overspeed The Capt not anticipating that sees the airplane overspeed and is immediately confused! He reduces thrust causing nose to pitch down Capt then calls for flaps 5 again! FO sets flaps 5 Reduction of flaps causes loss of lift. The airplane pitches down more and continues to overspeed more as it dives down FO is confused now! Airplane speeding up towards the water! Doesn't question the Captain. Capt desperate to stop overspeed reduces flaps to 1. Reduction of flaps causes loss of lift. Airplane pitches down even more! Finally pilots come to their senses as they realize the plane is just diving towards the water they decide to pull up! As airplane is pitching up now it finally begins to slow down. Note all this happened in just 10 seconds so the sequence of events was extremely quick!
So primary blame goes to miscommunication between the crew about flap settings, without having any CVR, how is that? Based on interviews made months later?
Not just this incident, but with everything that's happened in aviation's history. I believe we need to implement further technology into these planes and also enhance processes and procedures. The fact that the pilots didn't even report this near death experience is unacceptable and they should face consequences for not reporting something this serious, you know what they say? If it's not documented, it didn't happen...!
@@Bruce.-Wayne Ultimately it is the airline’s fault, and I’m sure the airline has had a long hard look at how this could have ever happened and come up with a training schedule to prevent it from happening again. The fact that the crew did not self report is a graver professional and moral transgression than the event itself.
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Please stop this thumbnail style it isn't good and feels like the same video as last one until someone read the title and video age
@@wormwormed😊😊
@@wormwormedTH-cam is a business, the more viewers you get the more money you get. Thumbnails like these have over saturated content creators across all platforms of social media for around a decade now.
The reason is that thumbnails like this one with the sudden change in text color and capitalization along with the exclamations on the tip of the nosedive attract more viewers.
If he changed the thumbnail style you would actually see a decline in the amount of views the videos get. Sad but true, more views is more money.
Remember, this is a primary source of air crash investigation’s income. If I can gain an additional percentage of revenue just for formatting my thumbnail differently then I would as well.
Besides, most TH-camrs do it. Mr. Ballen, Scary Interesting, Greendot, Mr. Beast. The dramatics in the thumbnail draws the eye of the viewer even before seeing the content itself.
First time ever the pilot hears the “whoop whoop - pull up!” sound and ACTUALLY pulls up.
I was in traffic the other day next to an older guy driving a Buick Terrain SUV, and immediately thought that if I had to own one of those, I would have to have “PULL UP” on my license plate…
really, these planes basically fly themselves nowadays, and to the extent they don't, they will literally speak to the pilot and tell him what to do step by step in order to fly it. being a pilot is not what it was like in the 1970s. just like when school buses were first invented, the BEST drivers were sought out to drive them. now the WORST drivers are school bus drivers because they just pull from the bottom of the barrel and nobody wants to end up as a public employee lol. there is just no excuse for such terrible and dangerous piloting.
@@jhanks2012these planes basically fly the same as in the old days. The automation might be more complex, but it all does the same thing as back then, just that it does it better now.
Wow...lots of NON pilots or student pilots at best, commenting.
@@leftseat30 bit of a strange response.
Happy to see all are safe at the end of the journey 😊
F***in spoiler
Why wouldn't the First Officer call back "Flaps 15" when changing it as confirmation? If that's not standard procedure, it seems like an air crash waiting to happen.
Mis communication leads to disaster. FO must be an a.... Hole
they are supposed to call back whatever action is commanded. The NTSB report addressed this.
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They’re all a holes. Case closed.
@@imranhyder9938what a useless comment smh
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I’ve been binge watching these videos and honestly, idk if I want to fly again 😂😭
I said the same thing. The complexity of the plane systems and procedures pilots have to go through is just frightening.
is it not standard practice to repeat the command back as happens with ATC? That would have prevented to incorrect flap setting.
Confirming an instruction should become a standard practice, particularly if it sounds unusual.
In this case, either the first officer was not conversant with the aircraft, or he misread the dial. Personally, I think the latter was more likely and he thought that he had selected 5.
I would agree repeat flaps …. Etc ! But human error happens the FO may have repeated Flaps 5 but still set it to 15 ? Possible?
@@rc70ys The latter was what I suspected. The flaps lever is next to the throttles, so the "1" could have been concealed or in a shadow. The first officer was fairly new to the aircraft. He may have also been on a call to ATC at the time.
He should have known the importance of flap positions as part of his training and also to give full concentration to flying over everything else.
Shouldnt The FO Know The Captain Wants Flaps 5 and Not 15?
Outstanding video! I was on an old DC-8 that left Hilo Hawaii for a night flight returning to the mainland in 1968. Ditto experience. Shortly after takeoff, the aircraft DROPPED. It just kept falling and I thought we might smack the ocean, but it finally regained lift and resumed climb-out. Crew made no announcement or comment. Just silence, quiet terror. Nice video, sir! 🇺🇸💛🇳🇱
In 1974 at Clark AB in the Philippines, we were on a Flying Tiger DC-8, taking off on a hot afternoon. That plane used every inch of the runway to leave the ground, and I swear I could count the neighborhood cats and dogs as we skimmed low over the town before we gained enough altitude. I think if one of the engines had hiccuped, we'd have made national news.
@@adotintheshark4848 Yes, my father was a principal engineer in cargo systems at McDonnell-Douglas during the time, and told me that cargo aircraft bore a heavier loads than passenger aircraft.
Ah, yah, Flying Tiger Line was also using Canadair CL-44 swing-tail turboprops then. Fascinating airplane.
The last part of the pilots not reporting the matter is beyond me
They actually did report it through an internal reporting system, which is what you’re supposed to do. The NTSB just doesn’t hear about it unless it gets reported to them. The only reason the NTSB investigated it is because it went viral months later. The internal reporting system is used to help train for future incidents.
I imagine they realised the incident was caused by their errors and maybe tried sweeping it under the rug?
@@tibro2853 exactly
@@tibro2853 I can sort of understand that, since there was nothing other pilots needed to know, except don't make silly mistakes like we did.
Cause they didn't want to get hell for it. They kept their mouths shut. The captains command was not confirmed as it should have been.😡😠😡😵😵 I hope they learned their lesson. COMMAND AND CONFIRM THE DAMN COMMAND. It's A MUST, A serious MUST. 😵😡😠
This crew got behind the aircraft straight after takeoff. The flap setting error is not why the plane nearing crashed. It was one in a series of cascading failures. The FO made a number of communication and flight monitoring errors. There were a number of times the PIC briefly stopped aviating because he was troubleshooting. Know your role and do your job. And never forget for every command, there must be a callback and a confirmation.
failing to report an incident of that magnitude should result in a ban for both pilots.
YES another post!!! I have been craving some air crash investigation
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When the flap setting can have such devastating results, why such slopiness on the part of the first officer
I suppose it's understandable (though not excusable) that the FO made the flap error because the flaps 5 setting is one notch away from the flaps 15 setting. If normal takeoffs used the flaps 15 setting, then moving the selector one notch to flaps 5 would have been his "normal" muscle memory reaction. Since this flight used the unusual setting of flaps 20, his normal action of moving the selector one notch only moved it to the flaps 15 setting. This is called expectation bias and it has caused numerous aviation accidents.
it's baffling that an experienced pilot would make such mistake of not looking at the damned control setting he is changing.
United May have changed the training and emphasized communication but there is STILL nothing to prevent it from happening again. Also, anytime there is an incident where significant altitude is lost on takeoff, landing or during flight it should be made mandatory that its reported!!!!
Training and awareness is the correct solution here, it was purely pilot error. SOP’s only work if they are followed, CRM only works if there is effective communication. You can never prevent pilot error from happening again, only mitigate.
EGPWS & UPRT were in place to save the day here.
Of course if you know better than the experts feel free to share your recommendations.
The FAA are a long way behind EASA on reporting. For a European operator that would definitely be a mandatory report, also the FDM programme is mandatory for airlines and would have picked that up, as would have ATC. The safety culture particularly when it comes to self reporting is much stronger within EASA and the UK.
as long as humans fly, there will be human error.
Very good people can always make mistakes. Just like you or I can die on way to food store.
Agh...Here i go again, a bucket filled with popcorn and a note bk and jst writing my points down!! Keep em comin. Very Informative esp. for someone whose new to the industry!!!👏
I cannot fathom such a level of incompetence by a flight crew.
When misfortunes comes even jelly breaks ur teeth
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@@kellyanderson7624…Pilot: 55 years old, 19,600 hours, NOT a “DEI” hire. Second Pilot: 5,300. Still not a “DEI” hire. It takes time and commitment to accrue even 5,300 hour.
DEI hire for the fo if I had to guess
@@ernestgalvan9037can still be DEI
2 videos in a row now at the same time as Green Dot🤔🤣are you two the same person lol
I love Green Dot :)
also, it's a different flight
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I thought the same 😂
I watch Green Dot as well!!!
Bro bcz the final investigation report just got out so both of them got chance to make a video
To me, the pilots should have returned to Maui after such a serious flight deviation, pulled the CVR and FDR breakers and let the investigation happen. Instead, they kept flying and significant data was lost. I would not want to continue a flight across the Pacific with pilots who nearly crashed the plane minutes into the flight.
Omg right the next 5 hours must of been fun. I would be thinking whole time crap they have to land. That's harder than taking off 😂
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So close!
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13:38 LOL technical issues inside the cockpit that’s hilarious. The only technical issues are the captain and the first officer themselves 😂
Wow 😮 glad everyone is ok. 🙏 what a scary experience. Everyone got lucky.
"Flaps five. Got it? Flaps five. Not fifteen, not one. Flaps Five"
Quote “What we have here…is a failure to communicate”….
Some men, you just can't reach....
its was not reported lol, and the pilots just went home as normal, they know their jobs were on the line, so instead of thinking about the long term positives of learning from the event they just decided to think of themselves........
There is not a great deal of point in telling other pilots not to get their flaps in the wrong position. If the situation had been less obvious, then their would have been something to learn.
@@wilsjane Stupid comment, from every incident there is something to learn, the passenger response to the situation, how the flight stewards responded to the 15 -20 seconds of imminent death, why the pilot misheard the information and why he did not repeat a verbal command when dialing in the flaps position. Oh just a normal day at the office they were meters away from hitting the ocean. And the fact that all the passengers and all the flight stewards, and pilots just continued on as nothing had happened...... Lots to learn
i understood that each command from the pilot flying had to be repeated by the pilot not in command, hence no confusion,,
When I was little, when I heard that planes had a flap setting I thought the wings would start flapping.
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They do flap a lil bit 😊
@@mg123rules actually, you're right. On a B-52 the wings are so long and flexible that you can see them move in flight.
If it's spirit airlines it's possible. I just saw some pictures someone posted today of a spirit flight . Whole wing covered in airplane tape 😮😂
How much do you pay an editor for these videos? btw I love your vids
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Its weird how the experienced pilots make such easy and kiddy mistakes!!!!! The most basic thing is pitch angle even for a amateur pilot!
Pilots Obsession with Flaps Overspeed Nearly Kills All.
Dude. You gotta chill. Even if you set the flaps yourself, you should check the setting before assuming anything is wrong beyond that.
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16:35 Pilots failing to report such incidents and not adhering to SOPs should have lead to termination of their employment with the airline.
There is no reason to ever push the nose down below the horizon after takeoff unless totally unsure of ones IFR skills. And definitely don't chase a flap speed. And as I have always contended...the pilot flying should get their own flaps....how many times has this happened to me. Two people flying the aircraft...FAA approved...just add a stick pusher for the third source flying the aircraft and you have a real mess on your hands.
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Very common and normal to use a maximum thrust setting for takeoff when low level windshear advisories are in effect.
We are so lucky this wasn’t the tragedy it almost became.
The whole "Flap Relief" system on the Boeings is a little confusing & most of us don't know the details unless we had an issue or worked the simulators as IP or you really really read & remember the FOM. You'll get the alarm on the EICAS but the automation won't take any action unless ur flaps 30' (I think), On top of that it's not uncommon during a sim check out to hear "what the heck is that" when the "Flap Relief" alarm indicates which is followed by the answer of "oh that's a flap overspeed" which is followed by the check rider saying "oh, why don't they just say that". This is sort of my recollection as I hung my wings up a few years ago but it can be confusing. On top of this I believe all Boeing ATC have six flap settings vs. Airbus four (320, 330, 340, etc.) so it's the less is easier approach for The French. The good news is it's confusing because many will go there whole careers and never even know the EICAS call out exists as the issue as seen in this video is incredibly rare.
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Clear communication in the cockpit?? What a concept! Hope the other carriers add that to their training.
I was a passenger on this plane, I spilled cranberry juice all over my work shirt. But I wasn’t scared.
Lol
what was it like
@@kittytrot like the first hill on a roller coaster ride, with cranberry juice on your shirt.
@@Imjustsaying1966 oh boy, i am so glad you’re okay!
@@Imjustsaying1966 that sounds terrifying
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Thank you too!
immediately when i heard it was a Boeing 777 i knew that this was going to get crazy
Sooooo… United waited 2 months to inform the NTSB???
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Incident not reported. Incredible !
I am not sure what was so unclear...overspeed, pitch up - We did that in the early Cessna training. All the information was on the attitude indicator. Sometimes I wonder how some people get their pilot's license.
9:40 This was First Officer error. The Captain said flaps 5 and he put it on flaps 15. Luckily the pilot realized it and was able to gain control just in time. There were no injuries because it was during takeoff which required everyone to have seatbelts on. Most turbulence injuries occur when passengers remove seatbelts
Good job captain 💪🏾❤
Captain: Set flaps to 5
FO: Ok
If you think something’s wrong with the flaps, you check the flaps setting first. This pilots brain was clearly off that day.
can synthetic vision technology help in situations like these? My thinking is that in weather and visibility situations it should aid awareness.
I am confuse. Can any pilot explain why or how flaps, which I think adds drag, can lead to overspeed?
How did the PIC not see the flap indicator on his secondary PFD? Also poor CRM, the FO should have read back the command and confirmed flaps 5. This is a prime example of a crew being well behind their aircraft and compounding simple errors into a near unrecoverable condition
I can tell you as a pilot flying a high speed jet. Our eyes can only physically focus on a spot about the size of a thumb stretched out at arms length. That's just how the brain and eyes work on a human body. This is why we are instead trained on how to scan our instruments when we fly, because it is very easy and deadly to focus on just one instrument such as an airspeed indicator during a flap overspeed.
It's a good thing airliners have two pilots, because the other pilot, known as the pilot monitoring, doesn't have to focus on flying and can instead allow his brain to take in the full view of the cockpit and understand the whole picture of what is going on.
To put it simply. It is like being on a highway on the side of a mountain with the driver trying to glace over and figure out if the stereo system was hooked up to his phone's Bluetooth or the passenger's. It works a lot better if the front seat passenger takes care of that while the driver focuses on scaning the road and instruments.
Excellent video, also does anyone know if the pilots faced and disciplinary action?
Thanks to our captain
I thought commands were echoed back between pilot flying and pilot monitoring, like what happens between ATC and pilots.
It’s hard to believe that the first officer doesn’t have to repeat the settings out loud for verification! In medicine we always repeat orders verbally AND look for confirmation.
Thank you for another incredible production. Yet again though another scary example of human/pilot error. Shocking.
Thanks again!
I see potential with this channel.
How could something like that not be reported?! Isn’t that a crime in itself?
Y'all should do a collab video with Green Dot Aviation and Mentour Pilot.
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Where was the simple checklist for the flaps? Wouldn't you see the flaps are set at 15?
Dec 18th 2022, that was a few weeks before Capitola, CA got flooded.
Finally another video
How they didn’t notice the wrong pitch? Is one of the basic things to check during climb.
Constant verbal communication is vital during take off and landing. It does not breach the sterile flight deck rule.
Thankfully they had a chance to regret their mistakes.
If it’s Boeing, I’m not going.
Yeah, Boeing causes bad weather conditions.
Nothing to do with the type of aircraft. Could have happened on an Airbus. Human factor.
The Boeing 777 is an excellent air plane and its pilots love it.
Be more serious before expressing yourself publicly.
@@theenthusiasticamateurpian9033 While I agree with you, the most common reason people post comments to TH-cam videos is that readers don't know who you actually are. So, you can say something sarcastic or simply very stupid and not get called on it. Educators today want to protect fragile kids' egos by not having grading systems that tell you how dumb you are at an early age. So, many folks don't realize how poorly their minds work. And, not knowing, they don't try harder or spend more time trying to learn. Making a fool of yourself in public is the new and POPULAR thing to do.
Good luck finding an alternative. I don't think Airbus is everywhere.
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 There are thousands of Boeing planes flying every day. No real problems. The "If it is Boeing, I'm not going" crowd is overly fearful. I was going to say scared "snowflakes" but that might not be fair. Then again, the continuing fears about Boeing are likely not fair either. Airbus is not everywhere, as you said, and has its own problems that are not as well advertised as the Boeing ones.
Flaps 5 doesn't sound like Flaps 15.
They'll call him a "hero" for "averting disaster" ... a disaster which he created and only was able to avoid by finally doing his job and following protocols he had trained thousands of hours to do. TOTALLY UNFIT TO FLY. period.
The captain should have reported it. Possible flap overspeed, possible G load issue requiring a check. Unbelievable.
Surely when a input is heard as in this case pilot to first officer it is repeated back to the pilot, "flaps adjusted to 15 ". No you eejit i said 5. Oh ok then, " flaps correction adjustment from 15 to 5". Thank you first officer. You would have caused us a real concern at 15. Yeah just as well we repeat commands given to each other for clarity and confirmation because communication is a most vital aspect of aviation safety. And given your Ryan Air experience we need to be extra vigilant. Top 😅😅 of the morning to ye.
Close to the silver button you guys do some great content
Great video! This is super.
I've got to say, that is probably the best rendered 777 I've seen. Very good quality models and really well done. Especially the wings. Most rendered models don't get them right, either missing the dihedral or, more often, not getting the "bent" in-flight shape added. Yours are perfect! Even the interior of the airplane is very accurate. And the double-plus chord fairing at the wing root is spot on! Something many people don't even know exists.
A couple things got missed, however. Like when showing the liftoff, the brakes were bright red as if overheated. Not very likely on climb-out! The other one is that the airplane shown is a 777-300, not the -200. The -200 doesn't have an overwing exit but the -300 does. Those are really nitpicks, I admit, and don't really detract from the information. I just mention it so that those curious know what they're seeing.
Overall, a great video. To the point, informative and accurate. As an aviation professional, I appreciate those who just give the facts in an informative way rather than the hype and drama.
Keep up the good work!
These flight sims are becoming way too realistic..it’s literally become impossible to tell the difference.
sounds to me like the captain needs to set his own damn flap settings and not leave it up to somebody else.
That's not how that works.
So many small cities in between so many large cities!
that's crazy🥵
I think when it storms planes should be delayed
Is this an air accident report or genealogy ad ?
How the hell did the NTSB only find out 2 months later!? Surely the passengers would have contacted press etc?
Should have returned to check for damages rather than travel 2,800 miles assuming there was none
It should be illegal to overwrite cockpit recordings until the investigation is finished. 🤦🏻♀️
ACI and green dot in one day? Damn, it's Christmas already!
One day I expect AI will be flying all planes. Imagine no cockpit and all the knobs and dials and gauges that won’t be needed anymore 😮
Computers don't understand why/how pilots do what they do. Not everything is black and white.
How often does the Ground Terrain warning ( Pull Up ! ) actually prevent a crash ??
Not very often it seems ?? If you watch air crash videos anyway...??🤔
The problem could be that by the time the "pull up" warning sounds, it's too late! But probably better to have the warning than none at all.
I see...
The FO selected flaps 15 which set the plane up to overspeed
The Capt not anticipating that sees the airplane overspeed and is immediately confused! He reduces thrust causing nose to pitch down
Capt then calls for flaps 5 again!
FO sets flaps 5
Reduction of flaps causes loss of lift. The airplane pitches down more and continues to overspeed more as it dives down
FO is confused now! Airplane speeding up towards the water! Doesn't question the Captain.
Capt desperate to stop overspeed reduces flaps to 1. Reduction of flaps causes loss of lift. Airplane pitches down even more!
Finally pilots come to their senses as they realize the plane is just diving towards the water they decide to pull up!
As airplane is pitching up now it finally begins to slow down.
Note all this happened in just 10 seconds so the sequence of events was extremely quick!
Thanks for clearing that up.
The runway at Kahului is less than 7000 feet. I didn’t know a plane as big as a B777 could use such a short runway.
Curious as why even though it’s a 772, you continuously used animations of a 777-300?
So primary blame goes to miscommunication between the crew about flap settings, without having any CVR, how is that? Based on interviews made months later?
why don't the airlines include an audible response from the computer after every change in flap configuration?
Not just this incident, but with everything that's happened in aviation's history. I believe we need to implement further technology into these planes and also enhance processes and procedures. The fact that the pilots didn't even report this near death experience is unacceptable and they should face consequences for not reporting something this serious, you know what they say? If it's not documented, it didn't happen...!
United did well to keep this off the MSM , never heard of this event
How could any professional pilot not self report such a massive fcuk up?
They might have been too embarrassed knowing it was their fault
@@Bruce.-Wayne Ultimately it is the airline’s fault, and I’m sure the airline has had a long hard look at how this could have ever happened and come up with a training schedule to prevent it from happening again.
The fact that the crew did not self report is a graver professional and moral transgression than the event itself.
I’m sure the pilots first call was to their union.
Watching on 18 December 2024 😮
8:03 that girl is going to get sucked in the engine 😂😂😂
Wow, i dont even remember this