@@DesertOwlForge We are manufacturers of industrial machinery, please feel free to visit our site www.nargesa.com and you will get to know more about us.
Thanks for making this video. You sure know your trade; 8 years of building spiral stairways! I've found "experience" is usually expensive, and or painful. I've built "conventional" stairs, but never anything as demanding as spiral stairs. I like to have a look at videos like yours, cause I always learn something every time. A good tradesman makes the job look easy. I tip my hat to you.
You can build a mountain by putting pebbles on top of each other. The challenge is to move the mountain after you built it. Just kidding. The staircase weighs aroun a ton when it's done. I have a strong "A" frame with a 1.5t hoist to move.it around the shop and we used boom forklifts to install them.
Good job sir, your welldone, watching from kuwait, Im from the Philippines May we know how you lay out tje exact pattern from the top and the count of steps Thank you and God bless you sir
Thanks for watching! I draw up everything on the computer. I am using Google SkatchUp, which is free to download, to work out all the details. There are certain criteria that you have to follow to be code compliant. I measure the elevation, and devide it by the maximum raise (9-1/2" max) to see the minimum number of treads. I adjust the numbers accordingly. I normally have 12 to 14 treads per revolution.
Thanks! The 3 landing spiral staircases are just 2 single ones on top of one another. The center post has mating parts that slide into each other and they're attached to the building at each landing.
Thanks for subscribing. Last year was very difficult for me and wasn't able to produce any videos. I am getting back to it soon, so stay tuned. Thanks again for your interest.
Thanks mate, I lived in the UK between 2004 and 2008. I lived in Totton, near Southampton. I was working for Collin Phillips and his shop, at the time, was located in Netley Marsh. I did have a great time there and was competing in the New Forest Show twice.
I don't have a drawing for this anymore. The tread angles and number of determined by the height of the stairs. Also you have to consider a few other things if you want to build it to code.
Čau Tim! Krásná práce, jsi velmi šikovný 👍 Stehuješ bez kukly 😀👌 Vidím 1 chybu - šířka stupňů u středového sloupu 😜 ale jinak 👍👍 A zábradlí, to znám velmi dobře - šroubovice. 😀😀😀. Já dělal zábradlí i u středového sloupu - nepodařilo se. 🤔. Musel jsem na ohýbačku s kladkou do boku. Čest práci!
I'm pricing my first spiral staircase and the thing that I have the most concerns about is the making of the handrail. I see that you made the curves in only one dimension and then made small adjustments with the ratchets. Might be trying that one!
Thanks for reaching out. Yes that's how I did the handrail the way you described. But there are a few trick to it. When you bend the tube you have to bend it in small increments making sure it fits the curvature of the spiral. You also have to work in sections and match them up nicely. It's easier said than done. Good luck with your project.
Not sure but it think you left out some really important stuff. Hoiw do you know when you have arched the rand rail enough, that is some heavy material to try to twist by hand to match the rise???
Well, it's 1+1/2" x 17ga round tubing, which is pretty light material. I roll the tubing to a much smaller radius compared to the radius of the staircase, this way it's fairly easy to twist it to the required raise. As for the stress on the pickets, it's really not that bad. If your welds are strong you shouldn't have any problems. Actually the "pre loaded" pockets create a stronger structure. Think of it as suspension bridges that also are pre loaded. I have built two story spiral straits that are still standing after 10 years of use, so I think there isn't any problem with the stress on the pickets.
The rise (upward distance between treads) can not be grater than 9-1/2" as per building code. The picket lengths vary since the treads ate horizontal and the handrail is at an angle, but there are the same (3 different lengths) at each tread. I hope this answers your question.
@@mrlara57 they not that complicated to build really. You just have to calculate everything before you start building it. If you get stuck just comment again and I try to help. I built 4 double ones (2 single on top of each other) and 1 single one in the last 8 years, and I am building one next month.
Hey buddy so I bought my materials, I wanna cut my treads my landing will be only 22” squared. The height of the loft is 85” 1/4 . So it’s not high it will be small stairwell. I calculated 12 treads. Does that sound right ? And how should I measure my treads , how wide ? Or how can I get my dimensions on the treads? Thanks in advance buddy
Thanks! I don't quite get your question. Stringers are the components of staircases that connect the treads together. Technically speaking, spiral staircases only have one stringer and that is the center post. Can you phrase the question differently so I can answer it?
Talent! Great job. But you gotta start wearing your welding helmet for your tack welds! You don’t want to get to be my age and have people say, “Can’t you see it, it’s right in front of you!” And you’re thinking, “Well, no, I can’t see it.” Buckle up friend, it might be a long ride!
It always is. That's the hardest part I use 1-1/2" x 0.065" round tubing for my handrails. Any thicker would make it real hard to bend it, but any thinner would make the material buckle. Unless you fill it with sand.
I assume you mean the diamond plate used for the treads? I either use 3/16" or 1/4" thick. Any thinner would be too flimsy and any thicker would be too heavy. I think that's close to 5mm and 6.5mm.
Used to be around $6-8K for a 6'D x 12-15'H. Depending on the design. The last time I built one was 3 years ago. Material prices doubled since then so it would be significantly more today.
I usually use 1/2" x 6" wedge anchors. They are rated at around 3400lbs each so 4 to 6 will hold everything perfectly. It's even an overkill. For the 2 story ones I use 5/8" x 6-8".
There is no set degree. You have to calculate the # of treads fom the height and diameter. The building code sets certain parameters that you have to meet. In the case of the staircase in the video there are 12 tread per 1 full rotation, but I have done 14 as well .
@@DesertOwlForge The cutting dimensions for the checker plate, the rectangular hollow sections(RHS), and the size of it (R.H.S) too. The distance from one stair tread to the other. I’m doing similar and I would love to do yours.
No, I don't. I had no drawings. I did a wire model in google SkatchUp and that's about it. I don't have the cutting list for the parts and the templates for the treads any more. I never keep them because all staircases are unique to the situation at hand. They all differ slightly. Floor height and diameter will determine the tread count and the actual rise, which has to be no larger than 9.5" and there are several different criteria that you have to follow if you want to be code compliant. I basically build.them out of my head.
To comply with the building code, rise (the distance between the step heights) should be no larger then 9-1/2" and the deviation should be no grater than 1/8". You have to measure the finished floor height and divide is by the number of steps. You should adjust the number of steps to fit within those parameters. I hope this answers your question.
Correction: at 30:30, building code specifies a MAXIMUM between-ballister distance of 4", not a minimum center-to-center distance as your text comment indicates.
@@DesertOwlForge realistically, I’m not sure. I watched your video and was quite impressed. We seem to be likeminded. I haven’t made a spiral staircase yet but I have often dreamed of it. I am an accomplished welder who enjoys making metal sculptures and blacksmithing.
Yes, forcing it not ideal, bit if you know what you're doing you can make it right. I only have a simple tube roller from Harbor Freight and that's the best I can do with it.
Congratulations from the Nargesa team!!!!!
Thanks. Who are the Nargesa team?
@@DesertOwlForge We are manufacturers of industrial machinery, please feel free to visit our site www.nargesa.com and you will get to know more about us.
Well done great work. Even more so considering you done it by yourself 👍👍👍
Bro your cutting skills are madness wow
It’s so beautiful! Great job!
Thanks!
Amazing you doin it alone
Thanks for making this video.
You sure know your trade; 8 years of building spiral stairways!
I've found "experience" is usually expensive, and or painful.
I've built "conventional" stairs, but never anything as demanding as spiral stairs.
I like to have a look at videos like yours, cause I always learn something every time.
A good tradesman makes the job look easy.
I tip my hat to you.
Great job !! Specially part, how you made hand rail))
I'm simply amazed you were able to assemble this alone. Wow.
You can build a mountain by putting pebbles on top of each other. The challenge is to move the mountain after you built it. Just kidding. The staircase weighs aroun a ton when it's done. I have a strong "A" frame with a 1.5t hoist to move.it around the shop and we used boom forklifts to install them.
Good job sir, your welldone, watching from kuwait,
Im from the Philippines
May we know how you lay out tje exact pattern from the top and the count of steps
Thank you and God bless you sir
Thanks for watching! I draw up everything on the computer. I am using Google SkatchUp, which is free to download, to work out all the details. There are certain criteria that you have to follow to be code compliant. I measure the elevation, and devide it by the maximum raise (9-1/2" max) to see the minimum number of treads. I adjust the numbers accordingly. I normally have 12 to 14 treads per revolution.
Very nice bro . Iam from lebanon and iam also blacksmith .. 1 time i do like ur work .
Nice work good luck 👍 fantastic dr....
Excellent workmanship.
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Nice fab work!I Very impressed! I really like that 3 landing spiral stiarwell you showed at the end in the photos.
Thanks! The 3 landing spiral staircases are just 2 single ones on top of one another. The center post has mating parts that slide into each other and they're attached to the building at each landing.
That's really great I also work by myself thats a master piece nicely done
Thanks!
Fantastic work and great experience thank you so much.
Thank you for watching it!
New Subscriber here. Thank u so much. ❤️
More videos please.
Thanks for subscribing. Last year was very difficult for me and wasn't able to produce any videos. I am getting back to it soon, so stay tuned. Thanks again for your interest.
Really enjoyed watching you build this staircase. Nice work 👊
Thanks! Is that a brofist?👊
@@DesertOwlForge yes 😂
Good work
This was fun to watch! Good job, dude.
Thanks!
@@DesertOwlForge where do you work, take me as a work assistant with you, i am in indonesia also doing work like you every day, i'm ready passport
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I can't help you with that. Also I work alone or with my kids. Good luck though.
Hey, there is a guy in Vietnam who is looking for an apprentice. I can put you in touch with him if you're interested.
Your very skilled
Excellent work
Thanks Tom.
Muy buen trabajo. Felicitaciones. Lo voy a copiar para un trabajo aca en mi pais. Saludos desde Garupá,Misiones, Argentina
Great job. 🙌
Amazing 👌
nice work mate!!! thanks for sharing...👍
Excellent
Todo un profesional, excelente trabajo
Great ! congratulation from France !
Thanks!
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Excelente trabajo felicidades
..Wow !! You flat out do some Good work Tim...!!
Fantastic job Tim thanks for sharing greetings from england
Thanks mate, I lived in the UK between 2004 and 2008. I lived in Totton, near Southampton. I was working for Collin Phillips and his shop, at the time, was located in Netley Marsh. I did have a great time there and was competing in the New Forest Show twice.
Tim you,ve created a really good channel mate, you are a good teacher who explains things well.
Thanks, that's my goal. I also teach in person. Thanks for following my channel.
@@col925 just hot me up and we'll make it happen.
Hi tim, zig here, awesome craftmanship, say hi to Frieda!!!
Thanks, I hope you're doing all right!
buen video 👍
Thanks!
Very good👍
i like ur work
Wow! That is awesome. You have some crazy skill! Great work
Thanks a lot Ol James!
技術很強..我也學會了
Exelente gracias por compartir tu trabajo
Thank you!
You do amazing work!!!!
Thank you!
Tu travail tres bien 👍😁❤️🇨🇦
ES MUUYY BUEENNOOOO.....!!!!
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تحياتى
Hay lắm anh ơi 👍👍
nice
Thanks!
Thank you sir
Thanks for sharing!
Are the treads 30 degrees? Do you have drawing of the tread?
I don't have a drawing for this anymore. The tread angles and number of determined by the height of the stairs. Also you have to consider a few other things if you want to build it to code.
Buen trabajo 👍
Excelente!!!!! Gracias...
I suscribe!!!👍👍👍
Thanks.
Čau Tim! Krásná práce, jsi velmi šikovný 👍 Stehuješ bez kukly 😀👌
Vidím 1 chybu - šířka stupňů u středového sloupu 😜 ale jinak 👍👍
A zábradlí, to znám velmi dobře - šroubovice. 😀😀😀. Já dělal zábradlí i u středového sloupu - nepodařilo se. 🤔.
Musel jsem na ohýbačku s kladkou do boku.
Čest práci!
Молодец, красиво получилось.
good job. I will subscribe to your channel. I want to see more ideas
Excellent !
Thanks Fernando!
Братан ты просто красавчик
漂亮.厲害喔
I'm pricing my first spiral staircase and the thing that I have the most concerns about is the making of the handrail. I see that you made the curves in only one dimension and then made small adjustments with the ratchets. Might be trying that one!
Thanks for reaching out. Yes that's how I did the handrail the way you described. But there are a few trick to it. When you bend the tube you have to bend it in small increments making sure it fits the curvature of the spiral. You also have to work in sections and match them up nicely. It's easier said than done. Good luck with your project.
nice i like ur crane
Thanks!
Not sure but it think you left out some really important stuff. Hoiw do you know when you have arched the rand rail enough, that is some heavy material to try to twist by hand to match the rise???
Well, it's 1+1/2" x 17ga round tubing, which is pretty light material. I roll the tubing to a much smaller radius compared to the radius of the staircase, this way it's fairly easy to twist it to the required raise.
As for the stress on the pickets, it's really not that bad. If your welds are strong you shouldn't have any problems. Actually the "pre loaded" pockets create a stronger structure. Think of it as suspension bridges that also are pre loaded.
I have built two story spiral straits that are still standing after 10 years of use, so I think there isn't any problem with the stress on the pickets.
Nice job ! What is the gap length between each tread brother? And are picket lengths vary or are they the same length?
The rise (upward distance between treads) can not be grater than 9-1/2" as per building code. The picket lengths vary since the treads ate horizontal and the handrail is at an angle, but there are the same (3 different lengths) at each tread. I hope this answers your question.
Desert Owl Forge thanks bud I appreciate your help. I am gonna try to make a small spiral stairs , about 85” high.. 👍🏻
@@mrlara57 they not that complicated to build really. You just have to calculate everything before you start building it. If you get stuck just comment again and I try to help. I built 4 double ones (2 single on top of each other) and 1 single one in the last 8 years, and I am building one next month.
Desert Owl Forge awesome! Thanks
Hey buddy so I bought my materials, I wanna cut my treads my landing will be only 22” squared. The height of the loft is 85” 1/4 . So it’s not high it will be small stairwell. I calculated 12 treads. Does that sound right ? And how should I measure my treads , how wide ? Or how can I get my dimensions on the treads? Thanks in advance buddy
What size round tubing are you using for your hand rail
1-1/2" x .065"
@@DesertOwlForge thank you for your fast response
Do you have a video uploaded on the helix you put the helix on the cap tubing?
Great job. But is it necessary for the stringers to completely flush with the treads (i.e all the way) or it doesn't matter?
Thanks! I don't quite get your question. Stringers are the components of staircases that connect the treads together. Technically speaking, spiral staircases only have one stringer and that is the center post. Can you phrase the question differently so I can answer it?
Great work, great video, thank you.
Thanks a lot!
Talent! Great job.
But you gotta start wearing your welding helmet for your tack welds! You don’t want to get to be my age and have people say, “Can’t you see it, it’s right in front of you!” And you’re thinking, “Well, no, I can’t see it.”
Buckle up friend, it might be a long ride!
What did you add helix with??
You mean the handrail? I bent a 1-1/2" round tubing with a pipe roller and the twisted it as I attached it to the pickets.
@@DesertOwlForge doesn't that put an awful lot of stress on the pickets to hold the twist??
what schedule pipe did you use for the handrail? In the middle of a similar project and the hand rail is being... difficult.
It always is. That's the hardest part
I use 1-1/2" x 0.065" round tubing for my handrails. Any thicker would make it real hard to bend it, but any thinner would make the material buckle. Unless you fill it with sand.
What is tha thick of the trade steel??? 4mm or 5mm or higher???
I assume you mean the diamond plate used for the treads? I either use 3/16" or 1/4" thick. Any thinner would be too flimsy and any thicker would be too heavy. I think that's close to 5mm and 6.5mm.
what the price tag on that
Used to be around $6-8K for a 6'D x 12-15'H. Depending on the design. The last time I built one was 3 years ago. Material prices doubled since then so it would be significantly more today.
Inspiring. How long did you take to make this?
Thanks. I have experience building these, so when I'm not filming, it takes around a week and a half to build them from scratch.
@DesertOwlForge Thank you for your reply. When bolting the staircase down when installing it, what size expansion bolts are you using?
I usually use 1/2" x 6" wedge anchors. They are rated at around 3400lbs each so 4 to 6 will hold everything perfectly. It's even an overkill. For the 2 story ones I use 5/8" x 6-8".
@DesertOwlForge Thank you again for your help
No problem. Merry Christmas and happy 2025.
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Отлично!
Nice bro I want be same lyk u
Hello I'm wondering how many degree you use for one step? ;)
There is no set degree. You have to calculate the # of treads fom the height and diameter. The building code sets certain parameters that you have to meet. In the case of the staircase in the video there are 12 tread per 1 full rotation, but I have done 14 as well .
Or8sss,worth watching...
Damn, Tim! Makes me want to get out my hot wrench and practice more. Do you get much heat warping?
Thanks!
Пока поручень загнешь, руки. Мои руки)
Hello, please do you still have all the drawings?? Would be glad to have it
What drawings?
@@DesertOwlForge The cutting dimensions for the checker plate, the rectangular hollow sections(RHS), and the size of it (R.H.S) too. The distance from one stair tread to the other. I’m doing similar and I would love to do yours.
No, I don't. I had no drawings. I did a wire model in google SkatchUp and that's about it. I don't have the cutting list for the parts and the templates for the treads any more. I never keep them because all staircases are unique to the situation at hand. They all differ slightly. Floor height and diameter will determine the tread count and the actual rise, which has to be no larger than 9.5" and there are several different criteria that you have to follow if you want to be code compliant. I basically build.them out of my head.
DESERT Owl could you tell me the distance between the steps?
To comply with the building code, rise (the distance between the step heights) should be no larger then 9-1/2" and the deviation should be no grater than 1/8".
You have to measure the finished floor height and divide is by the number of steps. You should adjust the number of steps to fit within those parameters.
I hope this answers your question.
@@DesertOwlForge I thank you your answer and your videos we learn a lot watching them.
Your Wark is very hard brather
Hello, your video is great, can I reprint your work in China?
No.
@@DesertOwlForge OK！
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what diameter and gauge is the tube used for the hand rail?
1-1/2" x 16ga.
Correction: at 30:30, building code specifies a MAXIMUM between-ballister distance of 4", not a minimum center-to-center distance as your text comment indicates.
Yes, you're correct. I didn't catch the mistake.
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What is the dimensions of pizza fi plate friend tnx so
I don't quite understand your question.
That thing is bad to the bone. We should join forces
What do you have in mind?
@@DesertOwlForge realistically, I’m not sure. I watched your video and was quite impressed. We seem to be likeminded. I haven’t made a spiral staircase yet but I have often dreamed of it. I am an accomplished welder who enjoys making metal sculptures and blacksmithing.
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I really hope this camera man gave you some help
Nope, I built it 100% alone. I had help with the installation: another guy and a large boom forklift.
Nem tudo está correto ...o corrimão não pode ficar forçado...!!!
Yes, forcing it not ideal, bit if you know what you're doing you can make it right. I only have a simple tube roller from Harbor Freight and that's the best I can do with it.