The State of Edison Format 2024 | Yugioh
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Advanced edison sounds like the worst idea ever. When you choose a retro format you choose it for the good parts as well as the bad. Whats next, a new banlist? And personally i would prefer it in general if konami kept their corporate hands off "managing" edison, the community manages just fine as it is.
Universally agreed exception is banning Dustshoot
I think the beauty of edison is that it's an eternal format: no bans to keep up with, no purchase decisions that can turn to dust within a year, it's as simple as going to your lgs, logging on on DB and playing a game. I think people underestimate how big of a deal that is. It also guarantees that every piece of edison content created is always up to date because the format isnt changing like advanced format. An edison deckprofile from 1 year ago is still more or less relevant. Messing with the cardpool or banlist turns it into an entirely different format and that would be the end of edisons longevity. If people are tired of edison, then why not try a different retro format? Tengu Plant or Hat format are both great alternatives
well as a content creator I can tell you right now that if konami implemented advanced edison it would be great for content purposes.I see where you're coming from with the other stuff, but I think there's pros and cons to both.
Advanced Edison sounds like the worst idea I’ve ever heard. How to make the whole community unhappy 101. take their favorite game and change everything they know about it
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Advanced Edison is a depressing idea to me specifically, just because it absolutely MURDERS my pet deck. Lonefire and cat with no priority and cat with the errata.
Also, thanks for the shout out!
yeah I guess you're right, Snack-chan, it does affect you more than anyone 😢
This “advanced edison” sounds better than modern yugioh, but worse than real edison. Changing the cards and rules defeats the purpose of playing retro formats. It sounds like what you’re looking for is just a custom format, which shouldn’t share a name anywhere near close to edison’s.
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I think all of the main retro formats should have their own community revision along with the original snapshot format.
I think that nekroz tournament you held a while ago with the revised banlist was really cool for instance.
This might be the wrong place to ask. Most of us don’t have the information on when these tournaments are happening. If anyone could build a calendar for all the upcoming Edison events that would be awesome. It also helps generate more players joining these events
That information already exists - I did a video on it, which is pinned to my channel.
@@imnerdpodcast your video was very informative! You lowkey hit on topics I didn’t even know I was interested in. Best Edison channel
Thank you!
Forget anticipating what the future of Edison format will become. Why don’t we just ask the inventor of Edison format himself, HT19? I’m sure he’d be happy to take some time out of his busy day to let us know the latest scoop of the developing Edison format!
- HT19’s official #1 fan
imo advanced edison is the worst thing that could happen, it is nothing but an artificially constructed format
a big part for most retro format enthusiasts is nostalgia and the ability to relive past formats and play with their decks from back in the day
applying modern day rules creates a whole new dynamic and meta in these formats
with an incremental change of the rule set, all time wizard formats lose a huge part of their initial appeal to their community
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If Konami does implement advanced Edison, I will not be playing Edison anymore lol
why though? you could just not participate in konami events? There would still be plenty of Edison elsewhere.
@@imnerdpodcast I can think that when Konami decides on an official ruleset for Edision that it might slowly phase out standard edison.
Im pretty sure it was the same with Tengu Format. Its was kinda 50/50 on Dark World, but konami pretty much decided its not allowed. At this point most Tengu Plant tournaments do not allow dark world anymore.
Atleast for me as a modern player who sometimes plays edison the in person konami events are the highlight of competetiv gameplay atleast prestige wise. I think there is alot of pros of advanced edision though i think op should atleast try it out.
@@MizzuraniI’m a modern player who started after the 2013 banlist lol but can you elaborate on why dark world isn’t allowed? What’s the deal with the 50/50 idk what that means lol. Please explain like I’m 5, I’m new to edison lol
@@radicalsprites Its about the Retro Format "Tengu Plant" its not Edison. The thing is officially the Dark World Structure Deck with Grapha etc came out in the time frame given by format libary. Thing is no one really checked how broken Dark World really was before the new format startet.
Many Tengu Plant Tournaments then decided to not allow Dark World because the format would be completly changed into something far more inbalanced. But many still allowed it because theoretically it was allowed.
@@Mizzurani thanks big dawg 🤙
The UTW format is determined by the format with the most events launched in public events at YCS’s and regionals. It’s a data driven decision, so the more people that enter events for other formats the higher the likelihood they will see an event in the future. Currently Edison is launching something like 10-20x the events of the next most popular, GOAT, at most events.
Yes, but it shouldn’t always be - it’s clear that on average they get about 150-200 people for Edison UTW. If they did a goat or tengu one it would cause a lot of hype and I bet it would either be the equivalent size of the average Edison UTW or surpass it just because it’s something different. I’m not saying all of them should change, but they should give goats and tengu one by now.
At YCS Bologna 2023 the UTW was actually 2005 format. If I remember correctly it was a success with +200 players
Also at german nationals there were timewizard sideevents with 4rounds swiss and u get prize tokens by wins. Both days 2010 format had +60 players. And they also held one with 2011 format on sunday, but "only" 17players showed up
@@chen-liangzhao7896 that would likely be attributed to the very active Italian GOAT community and what is regionally popular for them.
Personally I would love to see some variety of events, but I also 100% understand the logic of serving what is popular, especially in a time where the community is ready to be critical and a potential “flop” can not really be afforded.
The last YCS in Italy had a Goat tournament, if I recall correctly. Rest of Europe is also playing Edison though
Agree, super frustrating I became 10th with x:2, lost against the then winner who drew and played very well in a bad matchup and bricking twice in the frog hero mirror match. I feel like I could have not played any better the whole tournament and still became 10th.
The problem is they still dont dedicate resource to time wizard tournaments as they dont make much money of it. For example at the euros the tournament had to start at 6pm as there wasnt any space for side events. Same with prices.
If going advanced gives us more Edison and retro format support across the board (especially master duel) then I’m for it
Being able to go 8-0 in swiss and then lose in t8 and only get a $40 mat is crazy
And while the big 3 are clearly the best decks, other decks are still pretty popular in tournaments/ladder, but I have heard many people complain about the format getting stale, and I think that's part of why HAT has been talked about so much lately
And the anti-Frog/Vayu main deck stuff is very real. I've faced quite a few main deck Kycoo, Crow, Dyna, etc. lately
Instead of an "advanced edison," I would rather see that 2010 Master Duel format we got a couple months ago. That format was super interesting with a bigger cardpool while using advanced's rules. There were so many cool decks available in that format that aren't available in Edison like Dragunity for example
That was just a six sam format when optimized with 3 gateway, shi en + all the legendary six sams at 3
That format wasn't that interesting in my opinion. Six Samurai were leagues above any other deck. I went 26-0 with it, until I got bored and quit. In most games I was absolutely sweeping my opponent.
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Personally, I really would like to play Advanced Edison. I feel like something I really did not like about how Edison format developed is that decks have shifted a bit away from consistency in favor of power. This is fine, but something I loved about Edison is that back in 2021 and 2022, it felt like it was very difficult to lose to players who weren't very experienced because back then the defense outclassed the offense in builds. For example, the most popular Diva Hero build (Silchas) was playing 3 upstarts, no DAD or return. The Vayu deck wasn't playing Return back then. There were just fewer ways to die really early from a large push because the threat range was smaller, and that's something I really miss. Advanced Edison shifting power away from cards like Brio or DAD are ideas I really like.
Also, I'm not saying Edison isn't skillful right now, it definitely is still very skillful. I just miss a bit how it was before - when it was more focused on trading and less about finding a push turn. Similar to how Goat was when it first started as well.
And finally, I know what I just commented seems like a bit of a noob comment or poor mentality. I think that it was inevitable that as decks become more refined and people improve decks would start to become more powerful. That's not necessarily a bad thing, I just personally don't like how it reflects on the gameplay of the format.
I understand what you’re saying. For the last year I’ve been saying that the decks are better than the players at this point, which is the natural progression of a retro format unfortunately.
The biggest potential problem I see with the "Advanced Edison Format" is that Konami might make the same mistake they did with Speed Duel: limiting tournament play to cards only available in special products. If this happens, they essentially doom the format from the start, as many players are unlikely to spend hundreds of dollars just to play the same deck.
Advanced Edison sounds like such a meme, I honestly think it would kill the format especially for the hardcores. Every purist who hangs out in the mentioned discords has consistently railed on anyone who suggests “made up formats”. Most of the time that would mean an adjusted ban list, but I see this as even more drastic change. If the rules and errata’s change, the banlist is out of context. It would just be such a mess. Terrible idea
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I believe we have reached the point where we have to update the banlist for Edison, cards like DDV, Kalut, Substitoad, Oppression, should be limited or semi-limited in order to make them more compared to tier 2 decks. And review this banlist every 6 months backing up the decisions made on it according to tournament data.
Remember that the banlist was focused on selling more cardboard, while now we are more focused on the gameplay and fairness.
Big agree
Goats is as big as Edison. No reason not to have it.
i wonder if Bonanza will reprint HAT cards, if so i guess it means it is an officially recognized konami retro format
“Edison format is diverse” if there isn’t a big three
Currently it’s more diverse casually than it is competitively
i mean that happens in every format.
I love the fact that Edison that decks are diverse and not all the same even though I wish they could be make a new ban list for formats like Edison they ban Caius but they bring dmoc back to see if it balances the format.
I would be down for fire water and vegas stuff. I like extra deck options.
I dont think the Top 3 is much superior to other strong strategies. Its just that it has a very few % of higher winning chances, thus way more player pick those decks up when playing competitive, hence why the Decks are winning more. Thats the only reason. If everyone who plays Frogs, Blackwings and Vayu switches up to Glads, Machina Turbo and Diva Hero, these Decks would top significantly more and win most of the time.
Honestly what I think should happen, is that way more people need to realize Glads has a good match up against the Big 3 - that would result to Glads topping and winning a lot, and the format changing to people picking up Decks like Hero Beat or maybe even X Saber, who hava a good match up against Glads.
All in all Edison Format is definitely very diverse and its unfair to break it down to just 3 Decks while so many other Decks have almost if not 50/50 match ups against them.
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Just like you said, the top 3 are just better. So if someone is trying to win why would they pick another deck other than the fact they like that said deck. If no one plays the top 3 of course it won’t top, but there’s a reason it doesn’t happen. And I don’t see how glads have that great of a matchup against vayu and blackwings (specially BW). Ryko, oppression, virus, kalut, icarus can just end your advantage while they keep going. They’re too consistent about their strategy, have comeback potential and the ability to play broken generic cards. I love sabers but you’re praying to draw good everytime, the top 3 just seems to draw whatever they need everytime.
@@juliorebelo124 We dont disagree. All I wanted to make clear is that the Edison format indeed is diverse. Diverse does not mean there arent a few decks who can be considered the strongest - it means that a lot of other Decks are fairly competitive as well. If you look at stats from online dueling platforms, the best deck in every time period has a win rate of maybe 62% or so. Thats insanely diverse, if you ask me I cant tell you a Yugioh format more diverse than Edison.
What I do disagree with tho is with saying there is a clear cut Big 3. I do consider them 3 to be part of the Top 4 best Decks (with Glads), but I dont think its fair to seperate from other Tier 1/1.5 Decks who are almost 50/50 with them as well. At the end its all about the match ups which proves the format is diverse. That being said, Glads have a favorible match up against Vayu thanks to Retiari I believe (non engines can be cancelled out), against Frogs its overwhelmingly favorable, against Blackwing its about 50/50 as it also have some cards to counter those you said like charriot - all in all Glads are favorites amongst the Top 4 I would say (if build correctly, its much more difficult to build with the right balance and good non engine choices), but when Glads get too popular other strong Tier 2+ Decks like Hero Beat will be played again who counter Glads pretty well. And I know X Sabers are probably on the lowest Tiers of competitive Decks, but I just mentioned it since it has a great match up against Glads with negating their summons and attacks.
It would definitely be possible for Konami to release the pre errata versions of Edison cards in Master Duel. On MTG arena there are different versions of the same card. Not saying it wouldn't be work for them, but it could be done.
I think if Konami actually did enforce Advanced rulings to all of Edison (or any retro format UTW in the future), it would ruin everything they have built up over the last year. We play retro formats because we miss playing the game the way that we liked it. By asking us to conform to modern day rulings would be a huge slap in the face. I mean think about how much people hate that we have to use modern time rules at any Konami event. That's just 1 single procedure that doesn't even come up that much and people still don't like it. Now imagine them asking us to play Edison format...but not really.
I dont really like a change on something that was meant to be long ago lots of decks will be dead idk... And also If people wanna play something like Master duels which is automatic they can just play YGO omega which has all Edison ruling and erratas and also can be played in automatic or semi manual Omega is good for new people so they can easly learn the game but change the hole format feels bad personally
Never heard of ygo omega
For me, retro YGO will always be the more fun and more casual alternative to advanced. I don't come to this format with winning events in mind, I come to it because I like the rules, the cardpool, and the opportunities to play. Any modifications to those things would kill that for me and I'd move on immediately. I think most edison players are the same.
Brain control and trap dustshoot should be banned. First player draw 5. Priority not exist. These three changes would be enough. There are other strong cards but they are very specific like Kalut, substitoad or DDV they are deck specific cards so they are fine. No need to ban stuff that are deck specific.
Damn. Getting top 8 at a Ycs and getting the same prize as someone who did an 8 man is diabolical
Yes it is lol
Thanks for the shoutout king 🎉
Rivalry and Gozen become nuts with the updated rulings
That is the one thing I don’t like without actually playing the format to find out if there’s anything else
Advanced Edison and try different ban lists to make it a fair format
I want to see HAT, Finish Line and the return of TOSS
My biggest gripe about Edison right now is the draw to 6 and priority. I’d be totally happy if that was just fixed
Honestly I would be very happy just those two changes as well.
It's a coin flip with the advanced Edison thing, but a shake up is due. A good comprise would be reverse all erratas but update the rules, so future fusion works as intended, but bottomless and trooper get a rework.
Advanced edison but field spells work the same way as in master rule 1. (Geartown go brrrr)
Personally I like the idea of the "Advanced" format, but I know a lot of players would probably disagree with it, however I do believe the main entry barrier for the format is a lack of significant prizing from Konami Sanctioned Events. Until that gets addressed I don't think it'll grow as much as it could.
Tengu and Edison peak retro anything past doesn’t feel retro just my personal opinion
Translation:
“Tengu and Edison are peak retro formats. Anything past those just do not feel retro in my personal opinion.”
Had to translate because I had a stroke reading that, and I’m saving others from this fate.
@@giantsdudeful I don’t get your point lol but ok weirdo
@@someguy4872 Once again you’re proving my point. Notice anything missing before the word, “but” in your sentence.
@@giantsdudeful what in the hell r you even saying lol ?
@@someguy4872 That your grammar and punctuation is fucking disgusting you smelly pig. Do I have to spell it out for you donkey
Believe the last non big3 top was Dragon Turbo (rykoko7) back in June. I don't remember any recent ones after that though.
Cause most players pick those 3 Decks in such huge competitions... If you look at smaller tournaments where people chose a huge varierty of different Decks, the Top 8 most of the time contains of like 5-7 different Decks.
@@ryokogyu1825 for sure, was more in reference to a comment Frazier made about how it’s been a while before something non big 3 topped
So Konami just launched an x Account called YGORetroGames where they announce products and tournament for retro formats. Maybe that’s a good sign they support more formats than only Edison. I for myself enjoy hat and then tengu way more than Edison at this point and I’d like the opportunity to play in some big event
If I'm not incorrectly YCS Bologna 2023 in December had Goat as the big ultimate time Wizard tournament. A friend of mine booked a ticket to play the Edison time Wizard but could only play 8 mans because the big one was goat not Edison.
Yeah Europe is its own thing. They have their own Konami division, so I’m never referring to Europe when I talk about the things happening with Konami in the U.S.
I've been told that Konami looks at number of people who make pods at regionals. Edison is the biggest so they make it that. You want other formats, show up to your regionals and make more pods.
just check the # of flights that go off during time wizard 2005. they would only support UTW formats if the numbers show. right now they're not.
Advanced Edison would be a perfect format tbh
Why Frazier look like he’s about to be the next Captain America
For a deck that is not the big 3 it takes a lot of luck and a really good player. Usually the sauce of the week comes from a deck that topped a tournament not usually the winner.
I don't like the idea of Advanced Edison simply because by default it will divide the community. Also, having two versions of the same format will increase barriers to entry, rather than make it more accessible, because is creates confusion. And would DB be forced to have two different Edison ladders, or would they choose one or the other? I imagine it will end up in a situation where official Konami tournaments are Advanced Edison and unofficial events are regular Edison, but then many OG Edison players would feel disenfranchised from official events.
I disagree with the barrier of entry part. I think having Edison format on master duel would actually bring thousands, if not millions, of players into the format.
A banlist for Edison would be funny.
I would welcome periodic changes to the banlist honestly
An advanced Edison format might be the worst idea that I've ever heard for this format. Edison is Edison because it encapsulates what it was like to play yugioh in 2010. If you apply modern card rulings, erratas and rules to it you no longer have Edison, you have a curated version of advanced pretending to be Edison.
play hat skill charge lol which people push over ed everything you said is right for sure been playing since i was 15.
Say they update the rules from retro format rules to Advanced format. Who is to say that this is where changes stop? Maybe there’s not a lot more to be changed anyways, but I wonder what the turnouts would be where advanced rules are used.
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honestly i would not like an advance format of edison. I'm mainly drawn to edison because I enjoy playing dragon decks. If the format makes those decks unplayable, there's no point for me to even play. for example, REDMD would be significantly weaker, especially with restrictions like being a hard once per turn and limiting the number of special summons per copy. and just with a quick thought, it just seems like the current best decks would still be the best decks but with every other deck getting nerfed.
Frazier, don't you WANT edison to pull away and gain special distinction over the other time wizard formats though?
I’m not sure what you mean
An advanced edison format is the worst thing I could imagine. Changing a Retro Format sounds so wrong, why split the playerbase even more?
Now you need to win with a different deck so you can say ''MF the big three, its just big me.''
Hadn't thought about advanced edison format. But it would make it easier for konami to push these formats even further. Would love to see time wizard options in master duel and if that's the trade off I'm down for it.
Solid video
Thank you 🖤🙏🏾
That advanced edison idea sounds heavy cheeks brother. You wanna suffer like the advanced yugi guys? Lets torrential on cat summon itll be fun! .. It doesnt promote thinking as much imo
we will never "suffer like the advanced guys" because they are two different games. Also, there isn't any thinking right now when you win the die roll -- you're always going first. There are pros and cons to both.
You should of wore a suit and tie in this video with black shades lol
I can next time
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This thumbnail was fucking absurd lmao
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I’m glad someone sees it for what it is
Frankly, I think that modernizing the format is what should happen. I think the accessibility of the format would actually go up when you aren't having to remember completely different rulesets for the format and it would breath tons of new life into deck building.
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Advanced Edison Format sounds very interesting.
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I am not sure about Advanced Edison, but I think I would start with a ban list to get rid of the more toxic cards like dustshoot, maybe ban dark end because it was a mostly inaccessible prize card at the time. Advanced would certainly be a major shake up in a bad way, because a lot of people started playing Edison to get away from modern yugioh, so making us play with erratas used in modern yugioh would probably not sit well with most players.
I don't agree with this take -- "people play edison to get away from modern yugioh," but Edison would still be distinctly different from modern even with current rules. And we already use some current rules right now. Like I don't think you can look at Snake Eye format and look at Edison format and say "these are the same".
@@imnerdpodcast I also think that there are plenty of people who play edison who havent played modern yugioh in 5-10 years, who desire to play a yugioh format the way they played it initially. Especially with how drastically it changes the way these retro formats are played. I.e I think if someone from 2010 wanted to play the same exact blackwing list the exact same way they remember it being played they should be able to.
There's a community driven format in MTG called pre-modern, which is a custom cardpool set by the creators without the intention of replicating any singular format from magic's eras. Instead it gives players the opportunity to play old cards in a competitive card pool. I think this could be applied to retro yugioh in the way that you talk about 'advanced' edison, but it would give players and konami the opportunity to really play with and customize the cardpool(i dont think it's crazy to say the edison's cardpool isnt the best of any format).
@@imnerdpodcastPlaying with errata cards would be a massive L tho. Personnally i have always hated erratas, its useless, cash grabbing at best but that’s what the tcg has been doing for years anyways. What’s the point in playing cat decks at that point when they’re not even that strong ?
advanced edison sounds terrible tbh
the format is stale due to frogs change my mind
Lmao that’s a take
No please advanced edison is shit
goat is pretty bad and boring compared to edison and other formats thats why it fell off
Reasoning/gate decks are far from boring
Only children think Goat is boring.
Rotate between advanced and original that way master duel players playing advanced edison have a chance to filter into the tcg