Royal Enfield Electra X first start after rebuild, timing gear noises addressed and first test ride.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- I have already discussed some aspects of this machine's full engine rebuild, but a new conrod, big end and piston didn't quieten the engine as much as I had initially hoped. It turned out there were some other culprits for some of the noise, on top of those worn items.
Not the prettiest of engines, it has to be said. Sounds great though! You are a master of your art sir! Great video!
Thank you very much!
Congratulations Paul on getting this bike running so well. You've said that this model was short lived and had several issues, which is a shame because it is certainly a good looking bike. I'm sure the owner will be pleased with all the work you have done. Stay safe. Cheers. 👍👍🏍🇨🇦
Thank you, Dan!
I love the look of the lean burn engines, and Pauls attention to detail is outstanding. The models were mainly short lived due to the ever developing need to get the emissions cleaner, resulting in the C5 EFI models. I still want a trials version of the electra X.
I would never complain about anything on your videos. I am so thankful for what you do. Great detective work and patience. As always I hope the owner will appreciate your efforts and take good care of this beautiful machine.
Thanks again, Herman, very kind of you to say so!
That engine turned out to be a right can of worms, great to see you do battle with it and win.
Thank you!
That cam lobe was clearly worn Paul , and as the cam lobe only runs against the cam follower I would have suspected the cam follower surface would have been worn dished and also needed replacing . looks to me as this engine has been abused , done more miles than recorded or run with incorrect oil or all of the above . I used to run a 1989 350 Enfield daily ,only fail I had was the kickstart pawl . Keep up the good work and the vids . Loved your knowledge on the different models on the earlier post .
Thanks, Dave. That follower was dished, hence the follower and pushrod rising and falling as I moved the cam in and out, but i was able to clean up the outer circumference of the follower face to improve things to some degree. Removal and replacing of that follower would require removal of the top end again, and some rather fiddly work.
Good detective work Paul thanks for sharing
Thanks, Derek!
Sounds great Paul..and looks the part...🇨🇦
Thank you!
Good work paul as allways. I didnt give tumbs up yet. Didnt want it on 13 tumbs up
Thanks, Gerald!
That sounds very nice, and a tickover to die for! Well done Paul.
Thank you!
Great job and attention to detail, enjoyed following your detective work on this machine.
Thank you very much!
Thank you Mr. Henshaw, enjoy your work.
Thanks!
Keep saving them Paul Great job...
Thanks, Noel!
Engine running with surplus power even before the piston and rings are seated. Really, an uncomfortable noise seems to persist on the right side of the engine, close to the elevators. If it were Norton, Ariel, BSA or Triumph, you could go straight to the rods or the impellers. In these R.Es. models I do not know how to say it, because there is a nr. large number of moving parts rotating, running sideways and rubbing. The type of engine to use high quality oil in any rtegime of use. The information and the usual and relaxed return were too worthwhile. Grateful!
Thanks, Glaico. The face of the inlet cam follower is a little worn, but still serviceable.
@@paulhenshaw4514 Happy passage to you and your Family!
Well done for sorting that out that queue of mechanical horrors. Maybe the speedo was genuine and had done 6000 miles and later was fitted to a bike with a somewhat higher mileage. Another interesting video. Thanks for posting.
Thank you!
Sounds nice and quiet now, Paul.
Thanks!
Do you think that the inlet cam could be starving a bit for oil, or it was just a bad hardening job from the factory? At first when going along on the rides, I couldn't make hide or hair of where you were going, but I think I know where your going off by heart, to the point when you arrive back home, I say to myself, home sweet home.
Hi John, it is all a bit strange, as the exhaust cam and follower are like new, so maybe there is a hardening issue.
Love the tee shirt!
Me too - thanks!
Definitely Debbie.
A dead ringer, I would say!
Proper detective work to find the multiple, possibly contributory, factors V's get it out the workshop bodgery, I know who I'd rather trust an engine to. Sounds great for a newly rebuilt engine, another nice job. What was the eventual outcome of the circlip story? Debbie Harry might not look like that now but she's still got it.
Thanks Niall. I had some circlips for ordinary Bullet 500 pistons which were more suitable and a better fit, so I used those. It would be funny if that was herself ...
Love the videos Paul, the cam lift looks so low on camera must av upedthe power,also I’m glad your not glaming up for the camera just a normal bloke (or maybe 🤔 you have dressed up sorry 👍😂)
Thanks 👍
Love Enfield's but they always have that bag of spanners sound to them to me.
Pushrods and aluminium cylinder heads! Iron heads are quieter! 😉
I hesitate to say it, but there is still a lot of valve gear noise to my ear. Given that the tappets are adjusted, I am wondering about rockers. Who knows? I wonder if those aluminium barrels were noisier?
" Load Valves Saves Lives" . Is a Royal Enfield saying.
Good job
Thanks!
Send it to punjab , India and see the magic .
Blimey that's a lot of wear!
It sure is!
One might suppose that the origin of the 'noise problemme' is associated with non-linear intake cam lobe (08:49) ? The contact patch being worn.
Viewing the Cam-gears, & their housing, everything appears bone-dry: i.imgur.com/m8BMjpe.png
Before filming, did ya steam clean it...or shoot a can of Brake Cleaner on that area ?
Hi Amelie, no pressure washing or cleaning with solvents were done there, although I wiped it out with a clean cloth before oiling the cams etc on reassembly. Also, once the oil I caught was put back in through the filler, this compartment would also partially fill with oil again, so it wouldn't run dry. Just a case of premature and / or excessive wear for some reason.
How to remove noise of this avl engine and any company defect are observed regarding hard valve springs???
It was just a rather noisy engine, even with a new piston and big end. The single factory valve springs seem too hard and I am sure softer ones would be fine.
Is that cam and follower wear common on REs?
Perhaps suggest improper metallurgical selection and heat treatment.
It is totally out of character, as far as I know, although broken followers have been known in the Electra X models, because their stem diameters are smaller than in the earlier Bullet engines.
What does the cam follower run in, was it just my eye or was it moving sideways when you moved the cam?
The cam follower runs in a bush, a bit like a valve guide. There was no play, but the follower face had more wear on it than I would have expected, although I was able to clean that up to a degree.
@@paulhenshaw4514 i think you nailed it with the query over the milage. I bought GT750 Kawasaki that had 26000 miles and a broken speedo cable. Except the speedo was broken and she probably had 126000 miles. There were clues, worn out rear master cylinder, and a healthy appetite for oil once warm!!
does an engine like this need 5 gears . ..
I wouldn't say they out and out need them, but they are a great help in keeping up with - and occasionally passing - other traffic.
What's the HP on this one?
This one was pretty standard, so about 24 bhp @ rear wheel.
@@paulhenshaw4514 how many more BHP can increase if tuned it up and the cost for tuning parts? Just curious Sir. Can it beat the Himalayan on the highway? Coz I have seen a video in India where the Himalayan beat AVL 500 and UCE 500 three of them were riding together on a highway.
I reached 103 mph on the AVL Electra X which I tuned for Hitchcocks, who then took certain aspects of what I had done, to produce their tuning kits. That machine recorded 33.34 bhp @ rear wheel, with most of the engine parts being standard, modified items apart from cams, which were Redditch Bullet 'S' types, a larger carburettor and free flowing exhaust. I also shortened the cylinder barrel by 2 mm and modified the piston crown to suit.
@@paulhenshaw4514 33 bhp on the rear wheel means it easily beats the Himalayan and come close to the ktm adv 390 I believed if I'm not wrong.
@@paulhenshaw4514 103 mph converted into 165 kmph. This is a great achievement from a RE avl 500 cc engine. I assume there must be some prominent vibration from the engine. Correct me if I'm wrong. And last thing may I know the total cost for all those tuning and parts included.
Sounds like piston slap. What was the bore like?
It sounds like piston slap, but it is not. The piston is new, the bore is good, ring gaps good. Also, the noise is more prominent with the engine warm, piston slap is most evident with the engine cold. This is almost certainly timing gear related and the sound is reduced [but not gone] after work in that area.
@@paulhenshaw4514 Thanks for the response Paul. It's great to be able to learn from your experience. Don't let us armchair experts wind you up.
@@John900C No problem!
See tumbs up to 60
Great stuff!
Love your confidence when going on the first rebuild ride, as you saw my VH500 first ride post rebuild I stopped every 3 miles to look it over and rode with 2 fingers on the clutch. Bob. 👍🏻👏🏻
Thanks, although I am never very far from home and carry a phone with me. There have been cases where I have been at the ready with the clutch, usually on machines which have been brought in with seizure problems.