125 years of experience, affordable if not cheap prices, proven design, metallurgy, function, fashion, reputation, appreciation....no. I'd would say they can't be beat.
@@alaskatosweden9942 Show me three incidents of Victorinox knives that have rust. That have springs fail. That have tools snap due to poor heat treating. They aren't the highest hardness steels, but they have mastered an affordable, serviceable, maintenance-free, will-need-to-be-sharpened-with-use, knife.
Admittedly not neutral (although. Swiss…) , Victorinox refused to use fancy delicate steel over a refined set of different steel types for blades and tools. These selected steels holding up well, are flexible enough not to break - and also not breaking my bank.
Here in Vietnam, the Roxon KS2E( with upgraded D2 steel blade) cost ~17USD, the Fieldmaster cost ~37USD. There is just no comparison with that price difference. And even more, the Roxon included a 4mm bit drivers set, something Victorinox keep in their more expensive Cybertool lines. I have not used many multitools but the KS2E clip feels quite sturdy, compared to Victornox SAKs which don't even have that? The availability and qualities might be enough to tip the scale to Victorinox's favor in the UK, here, the closest competitor in that price range is either Sportman or Spartan.
Victorinox is such good value. The only multitool slot I don’t have a Vic in is the heavy duty slot which goes to the Leatherman Surge. At every other weight / size level the Vic is just hard to beat.
I bought my first Victorinox Swiss Army knife nearly 36 years ago. I carried that knife up until about 3 years ago when somebody just dropped it in their pocket and walked away. I remember paying well over $80 for that knife. Sad to say, I've never found another Swiss army knife that I thought was the same quality I had. That knife took a beating over the years and still looked as good as it did when I bought it.
As you rightly said, there are reasons why Victorinox are the market leaders, by a country mile! Their knives have the basis of simplicity and the highest quality anywhere, consistently! Great video!
Aw. I was really hoping the Fox Vulpis had good scissors because I love the idea of an in between for the normal and mini sized Victorinox scales and it would be nice to have the carbon fiber scale option without having to look for and deal with after market options.
Ngl, I was almost a victorinox hater for years. I own a leatherman t4 that I used for a long time. I decided to try a victorinox for the first time a few months ago, and I haven't looked back. I'm rocking a pioneer x and it's been my edc since I got it.
Hi Jonathan, thank you for the review and comparisons. I find Victorinox classic in their design, excellent form factor and functionality, and great value for any of their products. I own several different knives. Based on one of your recent reviews I bought a Cybertool and find it absolutely incredible. Thanks again for you reviews, I also feel well informed after watching your reviews! Thanks again, Carl in the United States
I've carried a Victorinox nearly every day for over 40 years. Tried lots of other knives and multi-tools over the years, but I always went back to carrying a Victorinox. In fact, I never really stopped; there was always a Classic on my keys. I'm sure the company philosophy and how they treat their employees helps maintain their high quality.
Heard good things about Ruike multitools, but honestly, I have tried to beat the compact for a logn time. I spent years trying to find something "better" than my compact, but I have given up. I truly think it is the perfect EDC tool for the majority of people. Every alternative gives something up, and it's usually the eyeglasses driver (which is a must for me). Love this channel! Your videos on the compact are a great reminder of why I don't need to seek an alternative, you've done it for me, and the result speaks for itself.
The compact does not have the Vic's awl (which has a cutting edge). This means you can't cut ''dirty things'' with any tool in the back of the knife. So it's difficult to keep the main blade clean enough to eat, and that's a problem to me.
@@tm2bow653 I've carried a small utility knife in the past to use on non food safe materials to combat the single blade issue, it works okay. Actually the manual OTF KatanaX from CRKT seems like a good option, as it locks and is 1 hand operable.
@@tm2bow653 Imagine a Compact with an awl instead of the hook. Or a Phillips instead of the corkscrew aka a Compact Tinker. It’s a shame that there is only one 2 layer SAK with scissors.
I have a leatherman T4. Whilst it's a nicely made peice of kit I just can't fall in love with it. I've considered selling it a few times but then as soon as i pick it up I appreciate how chunky and solid it is and want to keep it again...
I won't say they will Never be beaten. But i still have my 1st knife, about 35 years. Still works, still sharp. Rarely maintained. So let's just say they are REALLY good. Also: check mr felix imler who demonstrates like a 1000+ more uses, mods etc. He is awesome.
I ordered myself a 91mm Tinker after all of your reviews as I think it checks all the boxes for what I was looking for in an EDC multi-tool. Thank you! :)
Very good video as always, but I am very surprised you did not compare the MKM Campo in this. I recently replaced my Super Tinker with the Campo and have been very impressed with it.
I also got one and it didn’t replace my Super Tinker. The blade on the MKM is better and the scissors are actually pretty good. But they are some serious downsides. If I tighten the screws, I can’t open the bottle opener without destroying my fingernails and if I loosen them, there is blade play. The scissors are a bit hard to open, the fork and can opener are pretty much useless for me and the whole tool smells awful. It’s hard to compete with Victorinox and a better blade steel is just not enough for me.
a brit who can edc lockers as i work in construction locking tools are necessary ive nicked myself dozens of times on non locking tools.however the gerber vice is always in my pocket my only issue is the fact the pliers can no longer be used as the tool now colapses
I recently found a lovely Victorinox an ex left at my place twenty years ago and I absolutely love it! It’s a big old thing but with all the mods that are available now I’m kitting it out with new scales with pocket clip and spaces for flint, tweezers and tooth pick or whatever I choose. I have a Leatherman Crunch, Skeletool and Micra but all together they’re not as useful as the Vic in the pocket, the only really useful thing missing is the mod I did on the Skeletool for a hammer. I’ve had a few Vic’s in my youth and overlooked all of them as they seemed pretty ubiquitous in the UK compared to Leatherman’s but with age and experience Vic’s truly are solid EDC’s now.
I bought an EvoGrip 14 a few years ago because it has some Wenger DNA and that was my favorite brand of knife for many years owned many model along with Victorinox knives. I have owned many of the plier type multitools now that I'm retired no longer doing mechanical and media work I don't need anything heavy. They may be better or cheaper knives but SAK just work and are nice to use.
Thank you Jon for reviewing j’te Fox Vulpis 4. I bought the Titanium version and love it very much. The M390 is very sharp and the scissors are working well also. This is a great size that doesn’t take much room in the pocket. Keep the great work!
Love my Huntsman. A little bigger, but has all the right tools for me. Even better since I added eyeglass screwdriver and replaced toothpick with ferro rod!
the roxon also can be very easily disassembled - which means you can easily sharpen or tighten the scissors. It's also better to use with gloves than victorinox, and I'm planning on adding slots in the roxon's G10 scales to fit victorinox toothpick, pen, and more
I got a Fox Vulpis. The sizing fills a niche left vacant since Victorinox discontinued its 74mm knives. Everything was excellent apart from the scissors - you were diplomatic about those, in my view they are crap. That kills the Vulpis for me as I must have good scissors. Found a couple of Vic Executives still in stock at a store in Malaysia instead, in case my current user gets lost or broken.
I don't understand, is it so hard and expensive to make a good scissors? Not so great as Vics have but nearly. Seems only Victorinox is able to produce good scissors on whole planet.
I do love Victorinox, and would definitely choose a Super Tinker over the Free T4. But I will say, the awl/screwdriver combo on the Leatherman is pretty great, and one of the most used tools when I carry my Free P2.
Roxon and Leatherman have some good innovation I would love to see in SAKs. Button tool pop out is awesome. Locking levers definite plus. Easy to grab main blades. And the swiza is SAK with just the right amount of modification to make it so much more useful.
Have you thought about the climber? Only 0.1 inches thicker and you get a second blade plus separate can and bottle opener. You can also upgrade the scales to get the pen and pin slots. For roughly the same cost in the end you have a dual blade compact that is just slightly thicker. Only thing lacking is the finger nail file on the hook.
It's not a bad shout - and you get the Awl as well.....I will have to compare side by side - I can't help feeling the can opener separate bottle opener is a waste of space though!
I am a new subscriber and just love Jon and his channel... I have been binge watching and so happy to see a new upload! I had no idea about the world of EDC ... I happened upon this channel because it ended up in my yt feed one day out of nowhere.. I am so glad I clicked on the video...
Welcome to the EDC world. Deciding if you are carrying for convenience, necessity, emergency, or pleasure will help you from over loading your pockets which is very easy to do when you first start out. Good Luck!🇨🇦 .
I did not need a side-by-side comparison of Jon and Voldemort, but now that you've done it, there's no going back and the resemblance cannot be unseen.
Great video Jon. Some worthy competitors for Victorinox - almost getting there. You can see why Victorinox are the best sellers though. I have never found a bad one and I strongly believe there is a victorinox knife out there to suit everyone...
@@Skobeloff... I have carried the Midnite Manager almost everyday day for a year now. I use it every day it's in my pocket sometimes several times a day. It's a great mini multitool.
@@Skobeloff... it uses a small button battery that is replaceable. I have not changed the battery yet. I think it helps that the light only stays on if you hold down the shield button. I have the olight i3E EOS on my keychain that I probably use more than the light on the MM.
@@MB_EDC I bought the Lumintop EDC01 (very similar size to the i3E) but decided that it was too bulky for my keyring, so I removed it and if need be will just use my phone light.
What about the James Brand multi tool that you did another video on? I was interested to hear how using that tool went for you. Thanks for the great content!
Another plus for the victorinox is the range of aftermarket scales you can get for them as well as different coloured tweezers, toothpicks etc. They really can be customised to look different.
I watched an interview with Carl Elsener as part of a How it’s Made program. During it he described a pocket knife as a friend. With that attitude, you know that you will be purchasing a long lived quality product.
Nothing really beats it in terms of weight to performance to durability/hardiness to usefulness. Of course this is highly dependent on 'which' Victorinox tool you use. But overall it's lightweight, compact, durable and the tools are useful. My only complaint is that they aren't customizable but it makes sense because of the rivets in it. I just want an Alox Bantam with scissors, nothing more, nothing less :D. But until then a Victorinox Rambler will do :P
The Boker+ Tech Tools/Ruikes are good too and I was told they also had ex Wenger people involved with their designs. They're very well built with a more substantial blade though as a Walker/Hiker I found the Tech Tool 4 I own a lot heavier than an equivalent SAK so that gets the gig. Keep meaning to get a Swiza with the tick remover for walking and just because it's different than an SAK.
They are def more heavy duty - I prefer the Ruike (flatter scales) over the Boker which seem to be discontinuing the Tech Tool City range - and there's a mean set of tweezers in the Ruike! Heavy duty means heavy though.
I have Roxon KS2, I prefer it over any 2 layer Vics, just for the liner locks, and 5Cr are in the same ballpark as 1.4110 anyway. Locking mechanisms are the things that really seals the deal, because that fateful slipjoint moment will happen to Vic users sooner or later.
My EDC Victorinox Trekker - which has been carried so much for so long that the shield and cross logo is nearly worn off - has liner locks for the blade and one or two other tools. Other Victorinox models have liner locks, too. My Trekker is the old model - the blade is not one-hand opening (wouldn't mind if it were) and is not serrated (wouldn't own it if it were). The new model Trekker, to my knowledge, is only available with a fully serrated main blade. Blech. I have been eyeing a couple of the Ranger Grip models, lately and I believe they also have liner locks. All of those, including my Trekker, are in the longest size of Victorinox pocket knives. That is another reason I like them as it makes the blade and, even more so, the saw longer and more useful but if the longer size isn't for you then I am personally not aware of any of the shorter models with liner locks.
New to your channel, I can't imagine living in a country where a locking blade is evil. We (Texas) consider a locking blade a good safety feature, whether it be on a SAK or a Buck 110. I'm secure enough in my ego that my usual picket knife is a Camper, but I don't want the Guv'mint taking my Evolution S17. On the other hand firearm silencers, I believe y'all call them mufflers, are very restricted and taxed. Again, something that should be considered a safety feature is somehow vilified. I believe there were 43 people shot in Chicago this last weekend. I don't think any of those shootings involved silencers.
Would have loved to see a Ruike in the comparisons. They have three size ranges, and the larger size has an additional range with one hand opening and locking main blade
With locking blades the Swiza is appealing. Safer to use. Nice round up. What watch are you wearing? Citizen Promaster titanium full lume? I wanted to buy a Victorinox Walker, as a minimalist carry..sadly discontinued. I find the saw useful
Thanks for the informative video Jon. It is hard to beat Victorinox on quality and pricing though there is always room for improvement. I keep wishing they would come out with a smaller plier based tool to compete with the Leatherman Style PS or slightly larger Skeletool as it is nice to have that capability. I also don't quite understand why other manufacturers seem to fail so miserably on scissors so much of the time. Surely these are not an engineering challenge, we're talking about an implement that's been around for three to four thousand years! C'mon guys! My other gripe, albeit a minor one is that the steel on Vic knives could be better. I know it is a secret blend but though easy to sharpen they will not readily hold and edge resulting in more sharpening and eventually less blade. At current prices I suppose that doesn't matter too much but I would still pay a premium for one with a slightly better blade steel. Finally the scale tools are sometimes underestimated but a Compact without them is well just not a Compact. If something came along that hit those combination of tools and accessories with slightly better materials I would be all in I think.
A few months back I bought a Whitby Kent+ which I really like, although the scissors wouldn't pass your scientific paracord test. I'd like to hear your comments on this.
Not exactly a multi tool, but the French made opinel is my favourite pocket knife, very satisfying and timeless feeling to it (much like most of the victorinox models). I have an opinel with a carbon steel blade, I believe this is still an option.
Thank you for your creative content! Excellent video as per norm. Ever since watching your videos I've been carrying and purchasing Victorinox multi tools and absolutely love them. I am curious why the alox versions do not have slots for the tooth pick and tweezers. If they are stamping out the metal it seems natural to stamp the metal with slot openings for those two additional tools. I know it's not a deal breaker, but it would be nice to have.
JG - Roxon listened to you. The new Roxon KS2 Elite upgrades the steel throughout and offers a bit kit to address the lack of flat head. For $38 US, it now competes very well with the $52 Fieldmaster. Frankly, I like it better.
I was hoping to see a comparison of the MKM Malga or Campo line. I do appreciate seeing the Vulpis comparison. I have been thinking about getting the Campo 8, but I am hoping it comes out in Magnacut, with the same toolset. I don't think anything will replace my Victorinox and Leatherman, for being my go to favorites, but a little diversity won't hurt. $150 is a little high, especially when the similar toolset of the Victorinox is a 3rd of the price. I love how Victorinox steel doesn't have bad corrosion issues, at least not as bad.
Great video and great selection, other knives that may be interesting to some are the Mercury Six use, or MKM equivalent for the fancy versions, both are brands from Maniago Italy, also good are the Boker Tech Tools. This is just a few in the modern swiss style multifunction knives, there's a whole other world of traditional style multifunction knives in the style of old scout knives. They are both my favourite types of knives in my collection. But yeah, in the end Victorinox always takes the crown, even if I carry one of the other knives I can't leave without my Victorinox Swisschamp, usually I have it and my Minichamp too for every day carry.
I like Swiss Army knives I have a few, but they don’t have locking tools. I actually work in construction and work with tools everyday. A multi tool without locking tools is a no go. So I ordered the ROXON and I have a feeling it’s going to shit all over the sak and any gerber multi tool. I have a leatherman t2 which do have locking tools but there aren’t that many and they are rather short. Basically there is no perfect muti tool knife as of now. The tools are just too short.
I love the victorinox multitools, and I have one for every pair of pants and jackets :P BUT there's a big drawback, and that is one handed opening. I do own a Ranger that offers that functionality, but that tool is not for edc in my line of work. I have seen people do mods to make the knives open one handed, but I really think that is something victorinox should offer by now.
I’d like a relatively thin multitool knife that incorporates an inline Phillips screwdriver. I don’t know why it can’t be made. The only ones that have it are like 5 layers thick. Way too thick!
Another option its sanrenmu WA742 A1/boker techo tool#7, I got mine since 2016 its a study tool with a sharp blade, saw, swisors, screwdriver, bottle opener, sharp awl, Glass breaker, and mini serrated blade with mini screwdriver ( almost lost my finger with this combo blade 😑) and tweezers
Would the two layer Vulpis not even be more compareable to the Vic Bantam? The gap in price and functionalty would be even much bigger! I have several Bantams as Backups in different bags und locations.
Victorinox scissors precision is excellent. Even in the smallest form factors. I have an Alox money clip with pen knife blade, scissors, and nail file. The scissors work really well and can handle a variety of small task jobs.
John, can you make a video to clarify the UK knife law. I'm confused regarding the knife laws. I'm of the understanding you can't carry ANY penknife if the blade is fixed. I'm lost. Can you clarify?
Great video. With so many knives at your disposal, how on earth do you pick an EDC? I’ve only about 12 and I struggle, but tend to gravitate back to the SAK each time. Liked & sub’ed.
Hi! I have a very useful small Victorinox Rambler (58mm) tool. I was thinking to make it flight ready, by removing the blade. Is there anything I could replace it with? Something like a "cuticle pusher" or an "orange peeler" might fit where the blade is?
Only thing I've seen better is the MKM Campo 8. The malga 6 looks nice too and I think fox do a stag handle version that looks like the same knife. Cheers 🍻
There is also the Campo 7. It has no saw and replaces the small blade with a fork. The blade steel is Magnacut and the scissors are actually pretty good. It has some issues and is really expensive, but overall a great option if blade steel is important for you.
125 years of experience, affordable if not cheap prices, proven design, metallurgy, function, fashion, reputation, appreciation....no. I'd would say they can't be beat.
Metallurgy? I agree with your other points, but there are other makers that offer better steel than victorinox
@@alaskatosweden9942 Show me three incidents of Victorinox knives that have rust. That have springs fail. That have tools snap due to poor heat treating. They aren't the highest hardness steels, but they have mastered an affordable, serviceable, maintenance-free, will-need-to-be-sharpened-with-use, knife.
@@alaskatosweden9942I was just about to say the same thing. Wtf.
Admittedly not neutral (although. Swiss…) , Victorinox refused to use fancy delicate steel over a refined set of different steel types for blades and tools. These selected steels holding up well, are flexible enough not to break - and also not breaking my bank.
@@tomstock9546only annoying thing is that they don’t really have a good warranty like goattools
Here in Vietnam, the Roxon KS2E( with upgraded D2 steel blade) cost ~17USD, the Fieldmaster cost ~37USD. There is just no comparison with that price difference. And even more, the Roxon included a 4mm bit drivers set, something Victorinox keep in their more expensive Cybertool lines. I have not used many multitools but the KS2E clip feels quite sturdy, compared to Victornox SAKs which don't even have that? The availability and qualities might be enough to tip the scale to Victorinox's favor in the UK, here, the closest competitor in that price range is either Sportman or Spartan.
Victorinox is such good value. The only multitool slot I don’t have a Vic in is the heavy duty slot which goes to the Leatherman Surge. At every other weight / size level the Vic is just hard to beat.
I bought my first Victorinox Swiss Army knife nearly 36 years ago. I carried that knife up until about 3 years ago when somebody just dropped it in their pocket and walked away. I remember paying well over $80 for that knife. Sad to say, I've never found another Swiss army knife that I thought was the same quality I had. That knife took a beating over the years and still looked as good as it did when I bought it.
If Victorinox brings back the Yeoman, it would blow all of these out of the water.
Great to have a Jon Gadget segment to escape reality for 20 minutes ❤
Hard to believe recent events 😔
As you rightly said, there are reasons why Victorinox are the market leaders, by a country mile!
Their knives have the basis of simplicity and the highest quality anywhere, consistently!
Great video!
My SAKs may not be technically the best knives in my collection, but ill never be without one.
Which is ur most carried
OH MAN! this is SOOO GOOD!!! nice job Jon!
Thanks Dom. There’s lots I didn’t have time to include!
The best competitor to SAKs was the Leatherman Juice Line. Too bad they're discontinued...
Aw. I was really hoping the Fox Vulpis had good scissors because I love the idea of an in between for the normal and mini sized Victorinox scales and it would be nice to have the carbon fiber scale option without having to look for and deal with after market options.
I was too! It still feels very nice and well made and the scissors do work - just hard to compete with Vic scissors
Victorinox also has a 84mm range of models, including the Evolution.
Ngl, I was almost a victorinox hater for years. I own a leatherman t4 that I used for a long time. I decided to try a victorinox for the first time a few months ago, and I haven't looked back. I'm rocking a pioneer x and it's been my edc since I got it.
great choice 👍
Glad to know that I've been carrying the best for over 40 years and that it remains so - thank you.
Hi Jonathan, thank you for the review and comparisons. I find Victorinox classic in their design, excellent form factor and functionality, and great value for any of their products. I own several different knives. Based on one of your recent reviews I bought a Cybertool and find it absolutely incredible. Thanks again for you reviews, I also feel well informed after watching your reviews!
Thanks again,
Carl in the United States
Thank you for the kind words
I always smile when I see an Jon gadget video in my recommend, brilliant video Jon, thanks
thanks 😊
I've carried a Victorinox nearly every day for over 40 years. Tried lots of other knives and multi-tools over the years, but I always went back to carrying a Victorinox. In fact, I never really stopped; there was always a Classic on my keys.
I'm sure the company philosophy and how they treat their employees helps maintain their high quality.
Heard good things about Ruike multitools, but honestly, I have tried to beat the compact for a logn time. I spent years trying to find something "better" than my compact, but I have given up. I truly think it is the perfect EDC tool for the majority of people. Every alternative gives something up, and it's usually the eyeglasses driver (which is a must for me).
Love this channel! Your videos on the compact are a great reminder of why I don't need to seek an alternative, you've done it for me, and the result speaks for itself.
The compact does not have the Vic's awl (which has a cutting edge). This means you can't cut ''dirty things'' with any tool in the back of the knife. So it's difficult to keep the main blade clean enough to eat, and that's a problem to me.
Thanks for the kind feedback - I'm always looking too as you know! Ruike are very good I plan to feature one soon - great tweezers!
Vic could improve on the Compact but seem to have lost interest in the market that got them to where they are!
@@tm2bow653 I've carried a small utility knife in the past to use on non food safe materials to combat the single blade issue, it works okay. Actually the manual OTF KatanaX from CRKT seems like a good option, as it locks and is 1 hand operable.
@@tm2bow653 Imagine a Compact with an awl instead of the hook. Or a Phillips instead of the corkscrew aka a Compact Tinker. It’s a shame that there is only one 2 layer SAK with scissors.
I have a leatherman T4. Whilst it's a nicely made peice of kit I just can't fall in love with it. I've considered selling it a few times but then as soon as i pick it up I appreciate how chunky and solid it is and want to keep it again...
I know what you mean
I have the swiza with the comb and the tick tool for grooming my cat when he comes in from outside. Works great.
Get your cat their own Swiss knife!
I won't say they will Never be beaten. But i still have my 1st knife, about 35 years. Still works, still sharp. Rarely maintained.
So let's just say they are REALLY good.
Also: check mr felix imler who demonstrates like a 1000+ more uses, mods etc. He is awesome.
My absolute favorite size of Victorinox knives is the 58mil. I love having a minichamp on my keys, and I've had it on there for 3 years
I ordered myself a 91mm Tinker after all of your reviews as I think it checks all the boxes for what I was looking for in an EDC multi-tool. Thank you! :)
Huntsman is better.
Glad it worked out - there's pretty much one for everyone
You are really missing out on the scissors, Victorinox has the best ones.
Very good video as always, but I am very surprised you did not compare the MKM Campo in this. I recently replaced my Super Tinker with the Campo and have been very impressed with it.
I've heard mixed reviews but will def check it out
I also got one and it didn’t replace my Super Tinker. The blade on the MKM is better and the scissors are actually pretty good. But they are some serious downsides. If I tighten the screws, I can’t open the bottle opener without destroying my fingernails and if I loosen them, there is blade play. The scissors are a bit hard to open, the fork and can opener are pretty much useless for me and the whole tool smells awful. It’s hard to compete with Victorinox and a better blade steel is just not enough for me.
a brit who can edc lockers as i work in construction locking tools are necessary ive nicked myself dozens of times on non locking tools.however the gerber vice is always in my pocket my only issue is the fact the pliers can no longer be used as the tool now colapses
you are the supperbe one.
i agree that vic are unbeatable but other companies should keep working on it
The parcel hook sounds about 50 years past it's usefulness
I recently found a lovely Victorinox an ex left at my place twenty years ago and I absolutely love it! It’s a big old thing but with all the mods that are available now I’m kitting it out with new scales with pocket clip and spaces for flint, tweezers and tooth pick or whatever I choose.
I have a Leatherman Crunch, Skeletool and Micra but all together they’re not as useful as the Vic in the pocket, the only really useful thing missing is the mod I did on the Skeletool for a hammer.
I’ve had a few Vic’s in my youth and overlooked all of them as they seemed pretty ubiquitous in the UK compared to Leatherman’s but with age and experience Vic’s truly are solid EDC’s now.
One thing I find Leatherman does better than Victorinox is the pliers-style multitool. Particularly the Wave.
Great reviews. Thanks
I bought an EvoGrip 14 a few years ago because it has some Wenger DNA and that was my favorite brand of knife for many years owned many model along with Victorinox knives.
I have owned many of the plier type multitools now that I'm retired no longer doing mechanical and media work I don't need anything heavy.
They may be better or cheaper knives but SAK just work and are nice to use.
Really helpful video again Jon - keep up the good work.
Was Great to bump into you at the Sharp Show (guy with the A6 bottle) you since made me buy the Rovyvon a2 :)
Was good to meet you too - thanks for saying 'Hi'
Just got the classic SD Allox in minty mint, it's very pretty.
Thank you Jon for reviewing j’te Fox Vulpis 4. I bought the Titanium version and love it very much. The M390 is very sharp and the scissors are working well also. This is a great size that doesn’t take much room in the pocket. Keep the great work!
Love my Huntsman. A little bigger, but has all the right tools for me. Even better since I added eyeglass screwdriver and replaced toothpick with ferro rod!
RANGERS LEAD THE WAY
There is the Rambler which has a surprisingly capable Philips for its size. Also the Explorer which is four layers and the Spartan lite which is 3.
I have the same setup. Had it since 1975. 😊.
the roxon also can be very easily disassembled - which means you can easily sharpen or tighten the scissors. It's also better to use with gloves than victorinox, and I'm planning on adding slots in the roxon's G10 scales to fit victorinox toothpick, pen, and more
thanks for sharing 👍
The Roxon looked pretty legit. The file is plenty long enough to debut metal.
I got a Fox Vulpis. The sizing fills a niche left vacant since Victorinox discontinued its 74mm knives. Everything was excellent apart from the scissors - you were diplomatic about those, in my view they are crap. That kills the Vulpis for me as I must have good scissors. Found a couple of Vic Executives still in stock at a store in Malaysia instead, in case my current user gets lost or broken.
great feedback - scissors killed it for me too
I don't understand, is it so hard and expensive to make a good scissors? Not so great as Vics have but nearly. Seems only Victorinox is able to produce good scissors on whole planet.
On the Swiza there is a problem with the closed tools when you use it they is giving hotspot problems.
I like the look of the Swiza, but that scissor situation is a deal breaker! Nice video, I like all the comparison pieces.
I have never looked for scissors in a pocket knife after I started carrying the Fiskars Classic Folding Scissors in my keychain. Wins 100-0
Yep - that killed it for me too!
I love the Victorinox Alox.I carry a Cadet everyday and loads of others, they are just a bit more rugged than the plastic SAK.
I do love Victorinox, and would definitely choose a Super Tinker over the Free T4. But I will say, the awl/screwdriver combo on the Leatherman is pretty great, and one of the most used tools when I carry my Free P2.
Interesting feedback, I have to say though I prefer the new awl in the Arc
Roxon and Leatherman have some good innovation I would love to see in SAKs. Button tool pop out is awesome. Locking levers definite plus. Easy to grab main blades. And the swiza is SAK with just the right amount of modification to make it so much more useful.
Have you thought about the climber? Only 0.1 inches thicker and you get a second blade plus separate can and bottle opener. You can also upgrade the scales to get the pen and pin slots. For roughly the same cost in the end you have a dual blade compact that is just slightly thicker. Only thing lacking is the finger nail file on the hook.
It's not a bad shout - and you get the Awl as well.....I will have to compare side by side - I can't help feeling the can opener separate bottle opener is a waste of space though!
I am a new subscriber and just love Jon and his channel... I have been binge watching and so happy to see a new upload! I had no idea about the world of EDC ... I happened upon this channel because it ended up in my yt feed one day out of nowhere.. I am so glad I clicked on the video...
Welcome to the EDC world. Deciding if you are carrying for convenience, necessity, emergency, or pleasure will help you from over loading your pockets which is very easy to do when you first start out. Good Luck!🇨🇦
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Welcome to the channel and the world of EDC - thanks for the kind comment 😊
Great video as always! This is the comparison we needed. I'll stick to my Vic. 👍
You can't carry locking blades in the UK? What's going on over there?
You have shown again why leatherman to me come close , but for what I need to have at hand victorinox all the way 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I did not need a side-by-side comparison of Jon and Voldemort, but now that you've done it, there's no going back and the resemblance cannot be unseen.
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Great video Jon. Some worthy competitors for Victorinox - almost getting there. You can see why Victorinox are the best sellers though. I have never found a bad one and I strongly believe there is a victorinox knife out there to suit everyone...
The manager would suit me, but they discontinued it. The mini champ would also suit me if the tool set was refined and logical.
@@Skobeloff... I have carried the Midnite Manager almost everyday day for a year now. I use it every day it's in my pocket sometimes several times a day. It's a great mini multitool.
@@MB_EDC I don't doubt it, I just think the battery would go flat before I used the light, so I would rather not have it and not pay for it.
@@Skobeloff... it uses a small button battery that is replaceable. I have not changed the battery yet. I think it helps that the light only stays on if you hold down the shield button. I have the olight i3E EOS on my keychain that I probably use more than the light on the MM.
@@MB_EDC I bought the Lumintop EDC01 (very similar size to the i3E) but decided that it was too bulky for my keyring, so I removed it and if need be will just use my phone light.
The victorinox scissors are unreal I use mine so much and carry my huntsman with fireant everyday.
Alox Cadet X is what I most want from Victorinox.
What about the James Brand multi tool that you did another video on? I was interested to hear how using that tool went for you. Thanks for the great content!
I did a follow-up video on that one!
Another plus for the victorinox is the range of aftermarket scales you can get for them as well as different coloured tweezers, toothpicks etc. They really can be customised to look different.
true 👍
The Boker tech tools are definitely worth a look
they seem to be getting discontinued - but check out Ruike - a nicer version of the Boker with lots more choice - will feature in future video
Already have a couple of them...have far too much EDC!
I watched an interview with Carl Elsener as part of a How it’s Made program. During it he described a pocket knife as a friend. With that attitude, you know that you will be purchasing a long lived quality product.
Nothing really beats it in terms of weight to performance to durability/hardiness to usefulness. Of course this is highly dependent on 'which' Victorinox tool you use. But overall it's lightweight, compact, durable and the tools are useful. My only complaint is that they aren't customizable but it makes sense because of the rivets in it. I just want an Alox Bantam with scissors, nothing more, nothing less :D. But until then a Victorinox Rambler will do :P
You can customise them, even though it takes a bit of skill and time.
The Boker+ Tech Tools/Ruikes are good too and I was told they also had ex Wenger people involved with their designs. They're very well built with a more substantial blade though as a Walker/Hiker I found the Tech Tool 4 I own a lot heavier than an equivalent SAK so that gets the gig. Keep meaning to get a Swiza with the tick remover for walking and just because it's different than an SAK.
The ruike knife have thicker tools and steel liners which makes them quite heavy.
They are def more heavy duty - I prefer the Ruike (flatter scales) over the Boker which seem to be discontinuing the Tech Tool City range - and there's a mean set of tweezers in the Ruike! Heavy duty means heavy though.
My EDC is pre SD Classic, I have Swiss Champion from 1979 for when I might need more
I bought a cybertool M and for the price i really couldn’t find a multitool that could beat it
I have Roxon KS2, I prefer it over any 2 layer Vics, just for the liner locks, and 5Cr are in the same ballpark as 1.4110 anyway. Locking mechanisms are the things that really seals the deal, because that fateful slipjoint moment will happen to Vic users sooner or later.
My EDC Victorinox Trekker - which has been carried so much for so long that the shield and cross logo is nearly worn off - has liner locks for the blade and one or two other tools. Other Victorinox models have liner locks, too. My Trekker is the old model - the blade is not one-hand opening (wouldn't mind if it were) and is not serrated (wouldn't own it if it were). The new model Trekker, to my knowledge, is only available with a fully serrated main blade. Blech. I have been eyeing a couple of the Ranger Grip models, lately and I believe they also have liner locks. All of those, including my Trekker, are in the longest size of Victorinox pocket knives. That is another reason I like them as it makes the blade and, even more so, the saw longer and more useful but if the longer size isn't for you then I am personally not aware of any of the shorter models with liner locks.
There is a KS2 Deluxe with D2 steel on the blade and bit kit out now.
New to your channel, I can't imagine living in a country where a locking blade is evil. We (Texas) consider a locking blade a good safety feature, whether it be on a SAK or a Buck 110. I'm secure enough in my ego that my usual picket knife is a Camper, but I don't want the Guv'mint taking my Evolution S17. On the other hand firearm silencers, I believe y'all call them mufflers, are very restricted and taxed. Again, something that should be considered a safety feature is somehow vilified. I believe there were 43 people shot in Chicago this last weekend. I don't think any of those shootings involved silencers.
Great video, I hace a lot of Victorinox sak but always end using a free t4 or free p2
I like both - check out the Arc if you have the funds
@@JonGadget I like it, but can not expend what it costs.
Anyway I have de P2, so don't need it
Thanks for answer
Great vid as as Always
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Would have loved to see a Ruike in the comparisons. They have three size ranges, and the larger size has an additional range with one hand opening and locking main blade
Ruike featured in content that followed this 👍
The Victorinox Equestrian has the hoof cleaner tool as well.
true!
With locking blades the Swiza is appealing. Safer to use. Nice round up. What watch are you wearing? Citizen Promaster titanium full lume?
I wanted to buy a Victorinox Walker, as a minimalist carry..sadly discontinued. I find the saw useful
I have to wonder about laws in the UK. So, just how many lives have been saved by banning locking blades?
I don't get it either. Isn't a locking blade more safe? Politicians world around ruin things all in the name of advancing their careers.
great video!
Thanks for the informative video Jon.
It is hard to beat Victorinox on quality and pricing though there is always room for improvement. I keep wishing they would come out with a smaller plier based tool to compete with the Leatherman Style PS or slightly larger Skeletool as it is nice to have that capability. I also don't quite understand why other manufacturers seem to fail so miserably on scissors so much of the time. Surely these are not an engineering challenge, we're talking about an implement that's been around for three to four thousand years! C'mon guys!
My other gripe, albeit a minor one is that the steel on Vic knives could be better. I know it is a secret blend but though easy to sharpen they will not readily hold and edge resulting in more sharpening and eventually less blade. At current prices I suppose that doesn't matter too much but I would still pay a premium for one with a slightly better blade steel.
Finally the scale tools are sometimes underestimated but a Compact without them is well just not a Compact. If something came along that hit those combination of tools and accessories with slightly better materials I would be all in I think.
Great feedback as always. There is a lot Vic could do but they seem to be sleeping when it comes to SAK innovation and development unfortunately.
A few months back I bought a Whitby Kent+ which I really like, although the scissors wouldn't pass your scientific paracord test. I'd like to hear your comments on this.
I like to tool selection - the price is on a par - I guess it's down to quality - but I haven't held one so hard to comment
this is a very solid review
Nexttool Mini sailor would have been a good one for this video. As it's a decent small multitool.
true - there's a few I could have added but didn't want to overrun
Not exactly a multi tool, but the French made opinel is my favourite pocket knife, very satisfying and timeless feeling to it (much like most of the victorinox models). I have an opinel with a carbon steel blade, I believe this is still an option.
Thank you for your creative content! Excellent video as per norm. Ever since watching your videos I've been carrying and purchasing Victorinox multi tools and absolutely love them.
I am curious why the alox versions do not have slots for the tooth pick and tweezers. If they are stamping out the metal it seems natural to stamp the metal with slot openings for those two additional tools. I know it's not a deal breaker, but it would be nice to have.
No space for them Chris, Alox scales are too thin.
JG - Roxon listened to you. The new Roxon KS2 Elite upgrades the steel throughout and offers a bit kit to address the lack of flat head. For $38 US, it now competes very well with the $52 Fieldmaster. Frankly, I like it better.
I was hoping to see a comparison of the MKM Malga or Campo line. I do appreciate seeing the Vulpis comparison. I have been thinking about getting the Campo 8, but I am hoping it comes out in Magnacut, with the same toolset. I don't think anything will replace my Victorinox and Leatherman, for being my go to favorites, but a little diversity won't hurt. $150 is a little high, especially when the similar toolset of the Victorinox is a 3rd of the price. I love how Victorinox steel doesn't have bad corrosion issues, at least not as bad.
Great video and great selection, other knives that may be interesting to some are the Mercury Six use, or MKM equivalent for the fancy versions, both are brands from Maniago Italy, also good are the Boker Tech Tools. This is just a few in the modern swiss style multifunction knives, there's a whole other world of traditional style multifunction knives in the style of old scout knives. They are both my favourite types of knives in my collection. But yeah, in the end Victorinox always takes the crown, even if I carry one of the other knives I can't leave without my Victorinox Swisschamp, usually I have it and my Minichamp too for every day carry.
I like Swiss Army knives I have a few, but they don’t have locking tools. I actually work in construction and work with tools everyday. A multi tool without locking tools is a no go. So I ordered the ROXON and I have a feeling it’s going to shit all over the sak and any gerber multi tool. I have a leatherman t2 which do have locking tools but there aren’t that many and they are rather short. Basically there is no perfect muti tool knife as of now. The tools are just too short.
I love the victorinox multitools, and I have one for every pair of pants and jackets :P BUT there's a big drawback, and that is one handed opening. I do own a Ranger that offers that functionality, but that tool is not for edc in my line of work. I have seen people do mods to make the knives open one handed, but I really think that is something victorinox should offer by now.
I love the Roxon KS2 Elite. its got upgraded D2 blade steel and a set of 9 bits with an adapter. only $38
I’d like a relatively thin multitool knife that incorporates an inline Phillips screwdriver. I don’t know why it can’t be made. The only ones that have it are like 5 layers thick. Way too thick!
Check the victorinox Scientist.
The Swiza looks nice, but they don’t ship internationally and there isn’t a uk dealer listed on their website. ( How did you get yours Jon ?)
Next round Ruike Trekker LD41, Boker tech tool and Mikov NUZ 100-NH-6 AK/DEW etc. Nice video !
Another option its sanrenmu WA742 A1/boker techo tool#7, I got mine since 2016 its a study tool with a sharp blade, saw, swisors, screwdriver, bottle opener, sharp awl, Glass breaker, and mini serrated blade with mini screwdriver ( almost lost my finger with this combo blade 😑) and tweezers
Nice video. The last multitool you should compare with 84mm Victorinox. Is more similar lenght.
true - but those scissors where the problem not really the size
I hope you are going to review the new 2023 winter magic alox cadet that is now out
What about the James Brand multi tools? Weren’t you carrying one for a while?
Yes, I did a follow up video on that one about 3 months later
Would the two layer Vulpis not even be more compareable to the Vic Bantam? The gap in price and functionalty would be even much bigger! I have several Bantams as Backups in different bags und locations.
Possibly. Although Bantam is single layer.
Ruike or Böker Plus?? I have one of both, and the quality is even superior, I guess...
Ruike for me - out of the same factory - I prefer flatter scales of the Ruike and the tweezers are good too!
Why no ruike? I’m thinking of picking one up because they make the tool sets I like on a knife without extra clutter
Great option - some Ruike stuff coming soon
Looking forward to it!
Victorinox is still the best, especially the scissors.
Victorinox scissors precision is excellent. Even in the smallest form factors. I have an Alox money clip with pen knife blade, scissors, and nail file. The scissors work really well and can handle a variety of small task jobs.
John, can you make a video to clarify the UK knife law. I'm confused regarding the knife laws. I'm of the understanding you can't carry ANY penknife if the blade is fixed. I'm lost. Can you clarify?
I don't know if Swiza changed the handle material, but mine started to "rot" and be sticky as hell after some 3 years... so there's that.
What do you think about Gerber slim ?
Could you review the medford ask knife?
I'd like to - super expensive though!
Diehard Victorinox fan here. Real men carry the Swiss Champ.
Great video. With so many knives at your disposal, how on earth do you pick an EDC? I’ve only about 12 and I struggle, but tend to gravitate back to the SAK each time. Liked & sub’ed.
Hi! I have a very useful small Victorinox Rambler (58mm) tool. I was thinking to make it flight ready, by removing the blade. Is there anything I could replace it with? Something like a "cuticle pusher" or an "orange peeler" might fit where the blade is?
My favorite is my Wenger! And my SPYERCO ats-55 🥰
Try an American service knife from Medford tool. Love to hear your thoughts on it.
Only thing I've seen better is the MKM Campo 8.
The malga 6 looks nice too and I think fox do a stag handle version that looks like the same knife.
Cheers 🍻
There is also the Campo 7. It has no saw and replaces the small blade with a fork. The blade steel is Magnacut and the scissors are actually pretty good. It has some issues and is really expensive, but overall a great option if blade steel is important for you.
yes - it is expensive though and there have been some questions over fit and finish - hard to know where to stop for manageable video length!