Great video. I don't think you could go wrong using either of these. The ToneX sounded more similar to the real amp in this test. The Super clone tech is a pretty sweet deal though. Keep up the good work Leo. Merry Christmas 🎄 God bless and rock on 👍😎🎸
To my ears the ToneX sounds closer to the original which also clearly shows up in the null test. Thanks for testing and keep up the good work! [BTW it should be "worse" not "worser".]
The advantage of the headrush flex prime is that is has "super clones", many more effects, and much more complex signal paths. There is also a great looper, fx loop and expression pedal. Lastly, it has the touchscreen, bluetooth streaming, and wifi configuration app (web based) which is much better than the Tonex app. It's better value for money, considering it is an "all-in-one" solution.
Hi, thank you for sharing! Let me say that this video is not about the HR pedalboards vs the ToneX pedal...this video is just about the quality of the profiles created by the two platforms.
Sent mine back. The editor is great but I had issues with the server and it kept dropping out. None of the clones or even super clones sounded all that great. There are some digital anomolies that once you hear them you cant un hear them and it does not go away unless you dial it out. But then you will suck the life out of tone at the same time. I know you can dial in good tones but its a ton of fiddling around to get that. Where my Tone X One I just go on Tone Net, play the captures and when I find it, you just load it up. If you need to dial in the tone its only minor usually. If not its not the tone you want anyways.. I have a Tone X One mated to a $150 dollar Valeton GP100 (less than $350 bucks together) and it blows the Flex Prime out of the water.
@@ultimatescalerc7151 The free clones are terrible. You have to buy clone packs for Headrush (a disadvantage perhaps). Tonejunkie's clones, for example, are amazing. Tonex does have MUCH better free clones/captures.
Fantastic. I did not realize the difference between hardware and computer. Assuming a good quality audio interface of course. I'll look at my Eventide plugins with a new respect now. :) Thank you for testing. It's important to keep objectivity through testing and measurement, so that standards are maintained - in this case the quality of our audio. There is a constant risk of losing depth of quality in the digital domain.
Great video Leo. Tonex really seems to have an excellent model architecture on their hands. At 8:22 - I strongly suspect this ~4db difference between the tonex plugin and pedal has to do with input gain staging. Tonex seems very sensitive to input gain and input trim, and it varies from guitar to guitar even because of output levels. Getting output from a reamp box or audio interface to exactly match a hi-z guitar input can be difficult. I saw Jason Sadites recommended pulling out a multimeter with a 400hz test tone running out of your audio interface to exactly voltage-match the signal from your "reference" guitar when making Tonex amp captures. I would bet it's the same for Tonex input, with small voltage drops leading to big differences in model gain staging.
Again a great and very relevant test, Leo! I´m not certain if the hardware amp cloning is exactly the same as the Amp Cloner software (in the software version, you can do some refining and tweaking after the cloning), but i experienced very mixed results with the Amp Cloner software: Sometimes it turns out pretty decent, although the refining process is not super helpful as its EQ bands and q-factor are sitting in the wrong spots. But sometimes, especially when cloning amp sim software, i get a completely destroyed signal. Never happened with Tonex the capturing.
Thanx again for these great tests...i was hoping for the headrush with a better outcome ,cause i like the platform ...but again Tonex wins....great times to be a musician😊
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you appreciate the video! As don't have the HR flex, so far I can't do that comparison...maybe in the future if HR sends me a unit. Thanks!
Ciao Leo! Come sempre dopo una comparazione del genere si può solo parlare di scelte secondo me. Tonex mi sembra più curata e simile ma considerato che lo scopo è usarla in un mix credo sarà difficile fare distinzioni al livello che abbiamo oggi. Almeno possiamo dire che raramente si sbaglia acquisto oggi come oggi!
Correct me if I am wrong but dB are not linear they are logarithmic. So a 7dB difference is a lot more than 20%. Can our ears hear such a wide gulf? Probably not. Great vids as always.
Personally I don't care much about the precision of the profile as long as it sounds close enough and with good dynamics. Despite the numbers HeadRush sounds very good and also in most of the tests it wins compared to Kemper/QC, usually second only to Tonex/NAM. But the thing is is that HeadRush Flex Prime is a much better floor unit overall than Tonex Pedal. Because it is a full-fledged MultiFX unit with: VST cloning, Superclones, Digitech Whammy/Drop, built-in pedal, great effects, great interface, practice tools. With Tonex you need extra processors/pedals. With Flex Prime you don't need anything extra.
Thank you for sharing! Let me say that these tests are specifically designed to verify how similar the profiles are to the actual amplifier and how the dynamics are managed...
In my opinion the ToneX sounded better, more present. I recently saw a YT video called "The Most Realistic Reverb (ever?)" worth watching. It made pretty good sounds come to life and suddenly sound "real" like you were in the room with the instrument. The difference was significant and the video title may be accurate! The Reverb is also free to download.
Great video! I always watch your tests. In my experience, I found that the gain needs to be set higher to achieve more accurate results with the Amp Cloner software - the gain feature seems a bit off every time. Also, in the phase invert comparison, the volume fades off sooner in the Headrush clone because of lacking gain related sustain, which contributes to the difference. What about sound latency with Amp Clone on an actual unit? There have been concerns and issues with latency of Headrush modelers.
Hi, thank you, I'm happy that you appreciate the video! This test is focused on the plugin amp cloner: I don't have HeadRush units, therefore I don't have measured the latency. I have heard the latency issues too...but I can not confirm myself, Thanks!
Hi, please remember that this is the plug-in, and as I said in the video, the plugin performs typically better than the pedalboard counterpart. In the video you can see the difference better the ToneX plugin and the ToneX pedal. . Thanks
Looking at the LUFS figures, it seems that Headrush performs better than Kemper Player from your recent test? Can you please confirm if this is indeed the case?
Hi, please remember that this is the plug-in, and as I said in the video, the plugin performs typically better than the pedalboard counterpart. In the video you can see the difference better the ToneX plugin and the ToneX pedal. Therefore I can NOT confirm that the Headrush pedalboard performs better than the Kemper Player. Thanks
I do not have a modeler. I have a real PLEXI. If when a gig demands a modeler I use the Friedman IR-X with zero complaints. from techs, venue operators or studios. I point this out to say if I needed a modeler if for nothing more than a back up I would get the Tonex. I have heard nothing that leaps past it as a clear improvement in sound and many things sounds worse or if as good cost more and have little support from 3rd party software even if that software's (sounds) are provided by end users.
Il revalver e l'amp cloner sono i "plugin counterpart" delle nuove unità HeadRush Prime Clone e Flex. I profili sono poi fatti con l'amp cloner. Grazie!
In my Ears the Headrush Clones much better. But the Tonex Owner don't want believe that. Headrush comes more and more on the Front of the Modelers. They are fantastic units and the Clones since Superclones awesome👌
Well, let me say that I don't think Tonex Owner don't won't to believe...but it seems the exact opposite, as numbers tell a clear story, in terms of faithfulness to the real amp.
ToneX is crazy good. NAM is 10% even better. Kemper/NDSP need to improve their tech. But now ToneX is becoming number one. Well done to IKM who lost the component modeling war (won by Helix/Fractal/TH-U)
@ yes correct, probably ToneX will have some pro version at some point, bringing bigger neural networks model (NAM are ten times bigger today, in standard mode and even bigger for the excellent Slammin Mofo « complex » NAM models available on ToneHunt
What if you don't want to make captures and you want amp Sims that are already in a modeler and lots of effects, the quad cortex is going to take the cake on all that if you can afford one
Good job like sempre o comprato il headrush prime ché vienne con il ampcloner , per clonare vst ...mi sempre abastanza buono , non o veri amp da clonare ...ciao de france
S*** besides the modelers now some of these plugins sound f****** amazing and they're not that much money, plug into your interface into your computer, use a good plugin
Ciao Leo, video molto interessante ma credo troppo tecnico ed articolato per tanti di noi. Per me provo il pedale o il plugin... Se suona bene alle mie orecchie va bene così. Non esiste un sistema perfetto... Pregi e difetti per tutti.
@@LeoGibsonGtrWhile generating good profiles with the Kemper is very complicated... if you have found good profiles, I really still prefer the Kemper!
The clones can only be as good as the player. I sent the Flex Prime back there to many digital anomolies and once you hear it you cant un hear it. Tone X One is by far superior.
The Flex prime models and free captures are TERRIBLE. You need to purchase headrush clone packs to get a good sound. I got the ToneJunkie pack and it's amazingly good.
@@algorithm007ifyNope I hear those issues no matter what is loaded. I think it is a hardware issue or emulation software issues on the modeller side. Use it long enough you will hear the issues. You cant epxlain it, you just have to hear it. Ive had the MX5 and sold it for this very same reason. The Flex Prime is not capable of sounding as good as Tone X. I baught the Flex Prime as I figured they had that fixxed. Nope same as the MX5.
@@algorithm007ify When people say " it sounds digitallly" Headrush is what I think of. lol. Its not even close to Tone X. When I load a capture on Tone X I dont have to fiddle with anything other than adding and adjusting the FX I want. Other than that I just play and it sounds like the real and it feels like the real deal. The HeadRush not so much. I spent more time fiddling with tt than I did playing guitar. So it was returned.
@@ultimatescalerc7151 I like Tonex, I just hate the UI, lack of features, and poor spring reverb (even after the latest update). I hope they release an all-in-one solution. My Tonex also has a very noisy power supply. I had to replace it with an aftermarket one. For me, the "digital sound" is usually there due to bad cab or amp modelling. Once you use IR's with the headrush, it disappears. I also have the new spring reverb after the amp but before the IR to be more "amp like". Helps a lot. You just need to play with the idiosyncrasies of the device.
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Such a great review! Thank you, Leo!
You are welcome and I'm happy that you appreciate the video!
Great video as always.
Thank you so much Fernando!
Was waiting for this test :)
Thank you!!
Excellent, as usual ! Thanks !
You are welcome!
Great video. I don't think you could go wrong using either of these. The ToneX sounded more similar to the real amp in this test. The Super clone tech is a pretty sweet deal though. Keep up the good work Leo. Merry Christmas 🎄 God bless and rock on 👍😎🎸
Thank you so much and Merry Christmas to you too!!!
To my ears the ToneX sounds closer to the original which also clearly shows up in the null test. Thanks for testing and keep up the good work!
[BTW it should be "worse" not "worser".]
Thank you for sharing and I'm happy that you appreciate the video!
Thank you also for your English suggestion!
The advantage of the headrush flex prime is that is has "super clones", many more effects, and much more complex signal paths. There is also a great looper, fx loop and expression pedal. Lastly, it has the touchscreen, bluetooth streaming, and wifi configuration app (web based) which is much better than the Tonex app. It's better value for money, considering it is an "all-in-one" solution.
Hi, thank you for sharing!
Let me say that this video is not about the HR pedalboards vs the ToneX pedal...this video is just about the quality of the profiles created by the two platforms.
Sent mine back. The editor is great but I had issues with the server and it kept dropping out. None of the clones or even super clones sounded all that great. There are some digital anomolies that once you hear them you cant un hear them and it does not go away unless you dial it out. But then you will suck the life out of tone at the same time. I know you can dial in good tones but its a ton of fiddling around to get that. Where my Tone X One I just go on Tone Net, play the captures and when I find it, you just load it up. If you need to dial in the tone its only minor usually. If not its not the tone you want anyways.. I have a Tone X One mated to a $150 dollar Valeton GP100 (less than $350 bucks together) and it blows the Flex Prime out of the water.
@@ultimatescalerc7151 The free clones are terrible. You have to buy clone packs for Headrush (a disadvantage perhaps). Tonejunkie's clones, for example, are amazing. Tonex does have MUCH better free clones/captures.
I enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much!!!
Fantastic. I did not realize the difference between hardware and computer. Assuming a good quality audio interface of course. I'll look at my Eventide plugins with a new respect now. :)
Thank you for testing. It's important to keep objectivity through testing and measurement, so that standards are maintained - in this case the quality of our audio. There is a constant risk of losing depth of quality in the digital domain.
Thank you so much for sharing and I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!!!
Great video Leo. Tonex really seems to have an excellent model architecture on their hands. At 8:22 - I strongly suspect this ~4db difference between the tonex plugin and pedal has to do with input gain staging. Tonex seems very sensitive to input gain and input trim, and it varies from guitar to guitar even because of output levels. Getting output from a reamp box or audio interface to exactly match a hi-z guitar input can be difficult. I saw Jason Sadites recommended pulling out a multimeter with a 400hz test tone running out of your audio interface to exactly voltage-match the signal from your "reference" guitar when making Tonex amp captures. I would bet it's the same for Tonex input, with small voltage drops leading to big differences in model gain staging.
Thank you, I'm happy that you appreciate the video!
Thank you also for sharing those info
As always, thanks for your work here! Guys like you are keeping this free, and sabes us from scams.
You are welcome and I'm happy that you appreciate the videos!
Again a great and very relevant test, Leo! I´m not certain if the hardware amp cloning is exactly the same as the Amp Cloner software (in the software version, you can do some refining and tweaking after the cloning), but i experienced very mixed results with the Amp Cloner software: Sometimes it turns out pretty decent, although the refining process is not super helpful as its EQ bands and q-factor are sitting in the wrong spots. But sometimes, especially when cloning amp sim software, i get a completely destroyed signal. Never happened with Tonex the capturing.
Hi, thank you so much, I'm happy that you appreciate the video!
Thank you also for sharing your experience with the cloner
Hope you add more tonex captures on your webstore. Your captures are my favorite.
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you appreciate the capture....
Maybe in the coming weeks....
@ yea coz it translates well to PA speakers and FOH.
Great video as always ,
I have the Tone X one and the Pedal, I do love how they sound but I would say I'm liking the new Headrush line up
Thank you, I'm happy that you appreciate the video!
Thanx again for these great tests...i was hoping for the headrush with a better outcome ,cause i like the platform ...but again Tonex wins....great times to be a musician😊
Thank you for sharing and I'm really happy that you appreciate the tests!
Hi Leo, very nice video..
Btw, Will you compare hotone ampero II vs head rush flex?
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!
As don't have the HR flex, so far I can't do that comparison...maybe in the future if HR sends me a unit.
Thanks!
Excelent video, congratulation 👍🏻
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!!!
Tha is, great video, the toned sounds way more similar than the head rush.. that actually sounds weird… and the tests prove it!!
Thank you, I'm happy that you appreciate the video!
Thank you also for sharing your findings!
I thought the headrush sounded more pleasing to listen to, the tone x seemed to default with a bit much gain.
Thank you for sharing!
Ciao Leo!
Come sempre dopo una comparazione del genere si può solo parlare di scelte secondo me.
Tonex mi sembra più curata e simile ma considerato che lo scopo è usarla in un mix credo sarà difficile fare distinzioni al livello che abbiamo oggi.
Almeno possiamo dire che raramente si sbaglia acquisto oggi come oggi!
Ciao e grazie per aver condiviso il tuo pensiero!!!
Correct me if I am wrong but dB are not linear they are logarithmic. So a 7dB difference is a lot more than 20%.
Can our ears hear such a wide gulf? Probably not. Great vids as always.
Hi, 20% is just the "linear" difference....
Personally I don't care much about the precision of the profile as long as it sounds close enough and with good dynamics.
Despite the numbers HeadRush sounds very good and also in most of the tests it wins compared to Kemper/QC, usually second only to Tonex/NAM.
But the thing is is that HeadRush Flex Prime is a much better floor unit overall than Tonex Pedal.
Because it is a full-fledged MultiFX unit with: VST cloning, Superclones, Digitech Whammy/Drop, built-in pedal, great effects, great interface, practice tools.
With Tonex you need extra processors/pedals. With Flex Prime you don't need anything extra.
Thank you for sharing!
Let me say that these tests are specifically designed to verify how similar the profiles are to the actual amplifier and how the dynamics are managed...
Scientific test aside, Tonex is clearly the winner.
Thank you for sharing!
In my opinion the ToneX sounded better, more present.
I recently saw a YT video called "The Most Realistic Reverb (ever?)" worth watching. It made pretty good sounds come to life and suddenly sound "real" like you were in the room with the instrument. The difference was significant and the video title may be accurate! The Reverb is also free to download.
Thank you for sharing and for the info!
Great video! I always watch your tests. In my experience, I found that the gain needs to be set higher to achieve more accurate results with the Amp Cloner software - the gain feature seems a bit off every time. Also, in the phase invert comparison, the volume fades off sooner in the Headrush clone because of lacking gain related sustain, which contributes to the difference. What about sound latency with Amp Clone on an actual unit? There have been concerns and issues with latency of Headrush modelers.
Hi, thank you, I'm happy that you appreciate the video!
This test is focused on the plugin amp cloner: I don't have HeadRush units, therefore I don't have measured the latency. I have heard the latency issues too...but I can not confirm myself,
Thanks!
If I recall, this is a similar result to the QC or Kemper?
correct
Hi, please remember that this is the plug-in, and as I said in the video, the plugin performs typically better than the pedalboard counterpart. In the video you can see the difference better the ToneX plugin and the ToneX pedal. .
Thanks
Looking at the LUFS figures, it seems that Headrush performs better than Kemper Player from your recent test? Can you please confirm if this is indeed the case?
Hi, please remember that this is the plug-in, and as I said in the video, the plugin performs typically better than the pedalboard counterpart. In the video you can see the difference better the ToneX plugin and the ToneX pedal. Therefore I can NOT confirm that the Headrush pedalboard performs better than the Kemper Player.
Thanks
My headrush ist so much better with global Eq Cut at 100 and 5000 with Qualitiy Set at 10.0 and IR cut to. In use with a RCF St 12 SMA ll FRFR
Thank you for sharing!
always the best!
Thank you soooo much!!!!
I do not have a modeler. I have a real PLEXI. If when a gig demands a modeler I use the Friedman IR-X with zero complaints. from techs, venue operators or studios. I point this out to say if I needed a modeler if for nothing more than a back up I would get the Tonex. I have heard nothing that leaps past it as a clear improvement in sound and many things sounds worse or if as good cost more and have little support from 3rd party software even if that software's (sounds) are provided by end users.
Thank you for sharing Paul!
Caro Leo ottimo video (e montaggio, naturalmente). Ho un dubbio: tu parli di headrush, però fai vedere il revalver, che se non erro è della peavey
Il revalver e l'amp cloner sono i "plugin counterpart" delle nuove unità HeadRush Prime Clone e Flex. I profili sono poi fatti con l'amp cloner.
Grazie!
Nice
Thanks!!!
In my Ears the Headrush Clones much better. But the Tonex Owner don't want believe that. Headrush comes more and more on the Front of the Modelers. They are fantastic units and the Clones since Superclones awesome👌
Well, let me say that I don't think Tonex Owner don't won't to believe...but it seems the exact opposite, as numbers tell a clear story, in terms of faithfulness to the real amp.
the best is my Valeton GP-200, of course! 😝
Thank you for sharing
ToneX is crazy good. NAM is 10% even better. Kemper/NDSP need to improve their tech. But now ToneX is becoming number one. Well done to IKM who lost the component modeling war (won by Helix/Fractal/TH-U)
Thank you for sharing!
But NAM is even better than tonex (I use both but definitely favor NAM)
@ yes correct, probably ToneX will have some pro version at some point, bringing bigger neural networks model (NAM are ten times bigger today, in standard mode and even bigger for the excellent Slammin Mofo « complex » NAM models available on ToneHunt
@@hb8482 and there are pedal-based solutions for NAM now, which is great.
What if you don't want to make captures and you want amp Sims that are already in a modeler and lots of effects, the quad cortex is going to take the cake on all that if you can afford one
Thank you for sharing.
The QC is of course way more expensive
A clean tone from a Fender would have been more useful to me.
Hi, thank you for your suggestion.
Good job like sempre o comprato il headrush prime ché vienne con il ampcloner , per clonare vst ...mi sempre abastanza buono , non o veri amp da clonare ...ciao de france
Thank you for sharing and I'm happy that you appreciate the video!
No surprise at all.
Thank you for sharing!
Tone X !!
Thank you for sharing!
The Revalver sounded obnoxiously trebly to me here.
Thank you for sharing your findings!
I wonder if you can adjust this post-capture?
@@algorithm007ify Possibly, but why not get the thing that gives you the best tone from the start so you waste less time adjusting EQs?
tonex is much better...
Thank you for sharing!
S*** besides the modelers now some of these plugins sound f****** amazing and they're not that much money, plug into your interface into your computer, use a good plugin
Thank you for sharing!
I listen some video. Headrush sound noob than vox tonelab ex in same ir haha
Thia Is the result , the sum 😊
Thank you for sharing your findings!
Ciao Leo, video molto interessante ma credo troppo tecnico ed articolato per tanti di noi. Per me provo il pedale o il plugin... Se suona bene alle mie orecchie va bene così. Non esiste un sistema perfetto... Pregi e difetti per tutti.
Grazie per aver condiviso il tuo pensiero!
Seems to me, that these types of gadgets, are mostly bought by guys who would rather play than play guitar.
Thank you for sharing your findings
Kemper... 😜
😀
@@LeoGibsonGtrWhile generating good profiles with the Kemper is very complicated... if you have found good profiles, I really still prefer the Kemper!
Qc
The clones can only be as good as the player. I sent the Flex Prime back there to many digital anomolies and once you hear it you cant un hear it. Tone X One is by far superior.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
The Flex prime models and free captures are TERRIBLE. You need to purchase headrush clone packs to get a good sound. I got the ToneJunkie pack and it's amazingly good.
@@algorithm007ifyNope I hear those issues no matter what is loaded. I think it is a hardware issue or emulation software issues on the modeller side. Use it long enough you will hear the issues. You cant epxlain it, you just have to hear it. Ive had the MX5 and sold it for this very same reason. The Flex Prime is not capable of sounding as good as Tone X. I baught the Flex Prime as I figured they had that fixxed. Nope same as the MX5.
@@algorithm007ify When people say " it sounds digitallly" Headrush is what I think of. lol. Its not even close to Tone X. When I load a capture on Tone X I dont have to fiddle with anything other than adding and adjusting the FX I want. Other than that I just play and it sounds like the real and it feels like the real deal. The HeadRush not so much. I spent more time fiddling with tt than I did playing guitar. So it was returned.
@@ultimatescalerc7151 I like Tonex, I just hate the UI, lack of features, and poor spring reverb (even after the latest update). I hope they release an all-in-one solution. My Tonex also has a very noisy power supply. I had to replace it with an aftermarket one. For me, the "digital sound" is usually there due to bad cab or amp modelling. Once you use IR's with the headrush, it disappears. I also have the new spring reverb after the amp but before the IR to be more "amp like". Helps a lot. You just need to play with the idiosyncrasies of the device.
Tonex is unbeatable!
Thank you for sharing!
NAM player