That's why I'm designing an adapter so the hose can plug into the adapter with a Lindal valve on the other side, so it can use a generic multifuel pumps compatible to Lindal valve adapter like the Primus pump or the Optimus Optifuel pump.
Truly, having that stove & the where withal to keep if working is a matter of life or death on those long expeditions. The stove & those repair kits are as well designed, engineered, & manufactured to exacting specs. Even thou you may have been cold & on the verge dehydration & or hypothermia, you had what you needed to make the repair to keep it working. And that little funnel is needed unless a person is at home & is transferring fuel from a can into the MSR fuel bottle, even then it's like you'll spill some while over the kitchen sink. I can easily see the look of despair on Terry's face when he broke the pump stem & had no replacement pump. None of those repair kits includes a spare pump stem - you NEED an entire brand new/complete SPARE pump. And at that time I'm sure you were thinking/wishing you had 2 spare pumps - a backup to the backup pump. You made no mention that it burns multiple fuel including Hexamine which was the only fuel available in some foreign country before your Denali Expedition - Yes I've read all 3 Expedition books & have almost finished re-reading, "Antarctic Tears". Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada - I do hope we can personally meet, one of these days.
I have an MSR Dragonfly stove, really love it. But I also bought a Coleman 533 dual-fuel stove, and I'm wondering what you think about it? Seems fairly simple to operate, and I like that it is all one piece.
I've always used regular pumps. The Arctic pumps have to be used in sub-freezing temps always. I've had my tent be above freezing and items quite warm on cold expeditions, so there's a risk there.
@@ALinsdau This is really interesting. I had some problems with my whisperite last winter on a 5 day trip when it was around minus 10c to minus 30c. I sent the whisperite to manufacturer and they claimed it was only because i didn't use the arctic pump.
I've been wondering that myself, because I've NOT used my original MSR Whisperlite for several years. I have had to replace the gasket that prevents fuel from leaking from the fuel bottle into the hose leading to the stove. Do yourself a favor, go online & buy leather gaskets that fit at the bottom of the pump plunger, to replace the rubber cup/gasket. MSR originally designed & produced pumps with LEATHER cups, not rubber. Leather won't get brittle cold & break. Also, call or write MSR & ask them for a replacement "Cat's Whisker" - that is the tool needed to unplug the jet's orifice if the shaker jet doesn't unplug it. They will send you a replacement - no charge. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
It's too bad seperate pieces of the expedition kit isn't readily available to replenish the kit when you use some of the parts. Needlesports sell them but shipping and taxes are prohibitly expensive.
That’s done on purpose. MSR wants to sell you a full new kit every year or two. Dealers can actually buy (or at least used to be able to buy) a large parts kit from MSR with a bunch of each of all the extra pieces all MSR stoves use. I’ve seen this kit in person at a few old school mountaineering shops. I don’t know if MSR still does that though. They possibly just want you to send your stove and pump into them and they do their complete rehab job for a price. If your stove is super old and beat, it’s actually a pretty good deal because they’ll replace anything that needs replaced and send you back what is basically a new stove.
Why bother when you can just use alcohol? I can heat 1L of water from 0C to 100C with less than 1.5oz of alcohol at -15C air temp using a cone style stove which weighs a fraction of a white gas setup. No moving parts, no nasty explosive gasoline, no steel bottles necessary, no fussing with priming and fireballs. Alcohol lights right up if you put it in your pocket for a few minutes, like a BIC lighter. Cone style stoves like the "sidewinder" burn twigs too, so you're not screwed if you run out of fuel.
Thanks, these presentations of the gear and how it is used, based on long experience, is super valuable.
Thanks!
That's why I'm designing an adapter so the hose can plug into the adapter with a Lindal valve on the other side, so it can use a generic multifuel pumps compatible to Lindal valve adapter like the Primus pump or the Optimus Optifuel pump.
Nice!
Curious if you had any progress with the adaptor? Sounds really handy for using all metal pump from primus
Truly, having that stove & the where withal to keep if working is a matter of life or death on those long expeditions. The stove & those repair kits are as well designed, engineered, & manufactured to exacting specs.
Even thou you may have been cold & on the verge dehydration & or hypothermia, you had what you needed to make the repair to keep it working. And that little funnel is needed unless a person is at home & is transferring fuel from a can into the MSR fuel bottle, even then it's like you'll spill some while over the kitchen sink.
I can easily see the look of despair on Terry's face when he broke the pump stem & had no replacement pump. None of those repair kits includes a spare pump stem - you NEED an entire brand new/complete SPARE pump. And at that time I'm sure you were thinking/wishing you had 2 spare pumps - a backup to the backup pump.
You made no mention that it burns multiple fuel including Hexamine which was the only fuel available in some foreign country before your Denali Expedition - Yes I've read all 3 Expedition books & have almost finished re-reading, "Antarctic Tears".
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada - I do hope we can personally meet, one of these days.
Great pointers, thank you!
I have an MSR Dragonfly stove, really love it. But I also bought a Coleman 533 dual-fuel stove, and I'm wondering what you think about it? Seems fairly simple to operate, and I like that it is all one piece.
That'd be a great stove to have. It's just a bit tall for packing. Keep it safe. White gas is great.
Did you have to use the arctic fuel pump on your expeditions or was the normal pump enough?
Good Question.
I've always used regular pumps. The Arctic pumps have to be used in sub-freezing temps always. I've had my tent be above freezing and items quite warm on cold expeditions, so there's a risk there.
@@ALinsdau This is really interesting. I had some problems with my whisperite last winter on a 5 day trip when it was around minus 10c to minus 30c. I sent the whisperite to manufacturer and they claimed it was only because i didn't use the arctic pump.
They are literally the same pump except they have softer o-rings for colder temps.
How long do you estimate the gaskets and o rings in the kit will be ok to use? I mean if you store it but never get to use them?
Thank you.
I've been wondering that myself, because I've NOT used my original MSR Whisperlite for several years. I have had to replace the gasket that prevents fuel from leaking from the fuel bottle into the hose leading to the stove.
Do yourself a favor, go online & buy leather gaskets that fit at the bottom of the pump plunger, to replace the rubber cup/gasket. MSR originally designed & produced pumps with LEATHER cups, not rubber. Leather won't get brittle cold & break.
Also, call or write MSR & ask them for a replacement "Cat's Whisker" - that is the tool needed to unplug the jet's orifice if the shaker jet doesn't unplug it. They will send you a replacement - no charge.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
@@azclaimjumperHumans find the strangest ways to use animal flesh. 🤦🏻♂️ Just replace your rubber gaskets.
I've used the pumps w/o changing items for many years. In theory they should be changed each year, though.
The only O-ring I've ever replaced is the small one where I insert the fuel hose into the control valve.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
It's too bad seperate pieces of the expedition kit isn't readily available to replenish the kit when you use some of the parts. Needlesports sell them but shipping and taxes are prohibitly expensive.
You're right.
That’s done on purpose. MSR wants to sell you a full new kit every year or two. Dealers can actually buy (or at least used to be able to buy) a large parts kit from MSR with a bunch of each of all the extra pieces all MSR stoves use. I’ve seen this kit in person at a few old school mountaineering shops. I don’t know if MSR still does that though. They possibly just want you to send your stove and pump into them and they do their complete rehab job for a price. If your stove is super old and beat, it’s actually a pretty good deal because they’ll replace anything that needs replaced and send you back what is basically a new stove.
I switched from msr to POLARIS OPTIFUEL it blows msr out of the water
Will have to check it out - thanks!
Why bother when you can just use alcohol? I can heat 1L of water from 0C to 100C with less than 1.5oz of alcohol at -15C air temp using a cone style stove which weighs a fraction of a white gas setup. No moving parts, no nasty explosive gasoline, no steel bottles necessary, no fussing with priming and fireballs. Alcohol lights right up if you put it in your pocket for a few minutes, like a BIC lighter. Cone style stoves like the "sidewinder" burn twigs too, so you're not screwed if you run out of fuel.
Have fun melting gallons of snow/ice with alcohol. 😆 FYI my preferred fuel is also alcohol 😉🔥
Winter Camping White Gas Vs Alcohol Stoves Melting Snow: th-cam.com/video/a9YNQafCNyA/w-d-xo.html
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