Buffy The Vampire Slayer S05E14| ''Crush''♡Reaction & Review♡
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James Marsters is such an amazing actor and emoter, no matter how fucked up Spike gets, you can always feel empathy for the guy. His expressions at the end get me, every single time!
Spike could drink from the guy in the Bronze because Drusilla snapped his neck, and the chip works only when Spike tries to hurt the living.
Other people have also noticed that Spike was wearing a jacket like Angel's and a shirt Riley would wear. It's like he was trying to get Buffy's attention by dressing like her exes
never noticed this before or on the original watch, good catch
The first time I watched it, it immediately seemed super off--wasn't until the second or third rewatch that it registered. Really great touch
I always noticed he was dressed differently and we never saw that jacket otherwise, but I somehow never put that together. I always figured it was a wardrobe issue on the show.
Poor Spike is having an identity crisis.
I so love the scene with Spike, Joyce, and Dawn 6:27 . If you didn't know better, you'd think that Spike was just some neighbor kid who likes to hang out at the Summers house. Even better, that's pretty much how Joyce seems to think of him now. 😀
Dru's line about loving well but not wisely comes from Shakespeare's 'Othello'. Not the first, or last, time Shakespeare is quoted/paraphrased.
Not even the first time with Spike and Dru, iirc. Pretty sure they made an Othello reference in their first episode on the show, when Spike was telling Dru what he'd do to Buffy. Lol.
Spike before the chip started to show some indication that he could control his base impulses. He actually IS less dangerous than Souless Angel. He just sees it as natural feeding order and survival. Spike with his soul would be capable of compassion and deep love. Hes biggest flaw is his belief of entitlement to the affection from the women he feels drawn to
Less dangerous, but still dangerous. He did kill and torture for fun, not just to feed.
Tbh though we never saw the “Real Spike” according to him in Season 7 so I think he was much worse before
I love Spike! And his interaction with Dawn and Joyce is so heart touching...
You know the writing and actor are amazing when a character is so morally flawed but you still are sympathetic to him. Part of it is how much of his journey we see that Buffy and the Scoobies don't. We see the transformation wholly. Yes! James is incredible. And you are right: The show doesn't shy away from pointing out his major flaws, while glossing over those of other major characters.
Spike could drink the womans blood, because Dru snapped her neck first. So he didn't "hurt" her and the chip didn't go off.
Imagine if Spike had a soul. Angel wouldn't be happy he's no longer special 😂😂😂 I bet Spike would rub it in his face every single day 🤣🤣🤣 that would be a funny duo to watch haha
Not to dispute Tara's insightful analysis of Spike/Quasimodo, or everyone else who has said Spike can't really love Buffy without a soul, but I can't help having a deeper belief in Drusilla when she says vampires can love. It's one of the oldest tropes in storytelling: The Crazy Person Always Speaks The Truth.
Well, people can have different definitions of love.
Spike loves Buffy because of how she makes him feel. It's not about wanting all the best for her, it's about wanting to possess what ignites his passion. So yes, I will agree he loves her in his way, but it's a deeply unhealthy form of the emotion.
And in fairness, Tara never said Quasimodo didn't love Esmerelda, she said Esmerelda could never love him back.
@@hardybryanPOTENTIAL SPOILER but he does also care for her because he is willing to do things to make her happy.
@@xxSydneyFox I would argue he does those things to draw her in rather than because it's what's right for her.
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Tl;dr: vampire love is a kind of love but wouldn’t be great for a human. Imagine Parker without a soul. Manipulative to get what he wants but not truly in the best interests of the one he’s pursuing.
That’s what I think. Without a soul the kind of love he’s capable of is a selfish, possessive, and toxic kind of love. The way he lashes out a Dru and Harm is the natural inclination.
I think he has an unusually high EQ for a vampire, however which gives him an edge that other vampires might not have. If he applies it he has a simulated form of empathy. However, lacking true empathy he doesn’t seem to know when he’s falling short. Like stealing Buffy’s clothes. He knows he can’t get caught doing it but he doesn’t really understand the harm that could cause.
His high EQ makes him quite seductive, perhaps that’s why Joyce and Dawn get along with him so well. He’s capable of drawing people in. I’m pretty sure big blue could possibly have have burned him to a crisp if he wasn’t mindful of them putting him back together.
So he has intense feelings of desire, longing, want, etc. Those feelings are all about him. When he does things that make people like him, that’s probably a form of manipulation. He enjoys Joyce’s company so he turns on the charm and is unlikely to intensionally hurt her. However, being a demon he could easily lash out if unhappy and kill her if it wasn’t for the chip.
It’s complicated with Spike because of all his layers. Angelus also had a highly developed emotional intelligence but he didn’t get attached the way Spike does. He mainly used that insight to torture his victims. If he got attached in any way, it was to torment his victim by attacking everyone in their life. That made him exceptionally evil.
But Spike gets super attached. Probably stemming from his personality as a human. And he’ll do anything to keep the people he’s attached to.
Spike's injured look at the end is heartbreaking
Crush is an important episode going forward. Spike's infatuation with Buffy now reaching crazy levels, stealing Buffy's clothing, and have Harmony dress up as Buffy. We have the Domino effect here of Dawn crushing on Spike, Spike crushing on Buffy etc, and great comedy moment with Xander getting jealous about crushing.
I love Dru but happy with her being more of a special guest. It makes her appearances more of an event. I did like that she tried her Kendra slaying hypnosis on Buffy at the end but Spike intervened.
Every time Juliet Landau is on the screen it's a master class in acting. I wonder if her parents instructed her about the craft of acting (she's the daughter of Academy Award winning actor Martin Landau and Emmy Award winning actress Barbara Bain).
i think ur right to observe that spike is very influenced by the people (and/or the "people") he surrounds himself with and particularly his love interests. dru bringing him into her little vampire family caused his personality to do a total 180, turned him from a meek lovesick poet to a rowdy psychotic (still lovesick) vampire, and after falling in w buffy and the scoobies he's adapting to more of an antihero role. i think the interesting part is also that he doesn't really do it on purpose, kinda seems like he can't help it. i like the idea of a vampire that hates to be alone, drusilla seems the same but in a different way, thats why theyre my two fav vampire characters in this series theyre so sensitive in an interesting way
The Dawn/Spike relationship was one of the better things in this season...
Put souless chipless Spike in a room with Dawn and curseless souless Angelus in a room with Joyce. Separate Buffy by iron bars and give her a crossbow with one bolt. Who would she have to kill?
Brilliant!
If it's Spike and Angel/Angelus as they are in character development as of this episode - she would have to kill Angelus. Buffy is right that Spike is like a serial killer in jail, but there are serial killers who change a lot in jail when that temptation is gone, and Spike has changed. Buffy doesn't consciously realize it yet, but she does subconsciously or she never would have trusted him to protect Dawn and her mom, and she wouldn't go straight to him when she needs help finding Dawn or other problems.
@@Kayjee17 It's interesting though, Spike constantly has to confront himself as a demon (especially that one time that was really icky). Has Angel ever confronted Angelus and asked himself is this being, the whole coin, both sides, who I want to be? Angel is in the constant mode of toxic self-flagellation so he will always be good, which is bad for mental health because he will never be happy. And this mental state Angel is in is bad for Buffy who will always worry if he will decide to go poof into the daylight again making a different sort of unhealthy relationship if they ever got back together. Maybe the chip program sort of works in a weird anti-temptation sort of way kind of like a Vampire anti-psycho patch while they face off with the demon inside them. They can feel every human emotion and older vampires can also feel regret, commiseration, and sadness, although it is quickly covered up by hate, disgust, and anger (which are easy masking emotions). They are not quite remorse, compassion, and grief. But surprisingly, Spike does feel, in this season, these three deeper non-selfish emotions as a soulless demon.
@@spaceshiplewis it's about what you were as a human, the most your personality was shaped the more dominant that personality will "survive" after the soul is gone. Liam spent all his time whoring, drinking and doing nothing and didn't give a damn about anything else, so once he became a vampire he magnified all those sides of him because there was nothing good enough shaped in his personality to counter those sides of him. William was main trait as a human was being a "sentimental fool".
Actually Crush writer, David Fury (number 3 on the chain of command after Joss and Marti), had some arguing with the fans after the episode. Joss ran the series and every episode had the full team (except the one who was writing the previous episode) breaking everything into 4 acts and scene by scene before the credited writer went home and wrote the dialogue (and after that: Joss did a final pass). But Fury always had a different approach to Spike problem than Joss and Marti. He always saw him like a monster; Joss and Marti (and she was his romantic consigliere since almost day one) saw him, well, different than Fury.
Can we get Spike's soul?...oh you sweet summer child.
Buffy and Spike. Even with Glory around, life goes on.
Buffy is right that the chip turns Spike into an imprisoned serial killer, but at the same time, Spike doesn't really have the free will of a complete person. Vampires need to be remorseless in order to feed and survive, so that part of their humanity, the soul, has to go. But as this season keeps hammering into us, the rest is still there. Spike is still that sad, rejected poet, and all he wants is to find out how to prove himself to those that mean something to him, to put on just the right show, hit all the right notes, so she knows that what he feels is real. Being sans soul makes it difficult for him to have awareness about the wrongness of his manipulations and schemes, and yet, the "real" things he does are things that Buffy can't help but acknowledge. He's an animal that just wants to be more. The chip put him on this path, but William the person is driving him more than anything else.
James Marsters’ ability to make the viewer feel such a wide range of complicated emotions for Spike is something that should be studied for decades to come.
"'Cause I'm scared to get this invested and then get my heart broken..."
Yeah, you just described the whole Buffy and Angel experience.
A lot of viewers miss that Dru KILLED the first victim, so it was OK for Spike to drink, because... already dead. They should have made the death a bit more violent so it was obvious.
That ending where Buffy uninvited Spike to her house and glares at him like is so much like how she looked at Angelus in the "Passion" episode. "Sorry, [Spike]. Changed the locks."
This episode proves to me that even if I wanted a SPIKE/Buffy thing, he is not ready for it. It was all Buffy, and then Drusilla showed up. And even with all the BS she put him thru, it was all Dru. Then he gets both of them in the same room together and he STILL can't make up his mind. Kill Dru, Kill Buffy, leave them both alive. He is like a newbie at a new job. Says everything and does nothing. Now. In the future, we'll see. But not Now, Spike. (IMO) Great Post.
Drusilla snapped the woman's neck and gave her to Spike, which is how Spike was able to feed on her. She was already dead.
Don't feel too bad about seeing Juliet Landau's (Dru's) name in the credits. Back in the olden days we used to see commercials & sometimes previews of the upcoming episode and would probably know of Dru's appearance beforehand too. It's okay, it's fun and builds anticipation!
oh man, I'm at the end of the video and just remembered where we are and how the next one ends.
James is such a sad puppy in that last scene! no apologies no regrets. I don't know if he chose good in this episode, but I think it's meaningful that he didn't go through with killing anyone. Not Drusilla, Buffy or even Harmony, and I think he didn't want them finally dead, he just wanted to vent his anger and get closure, and get his way. The last part didn't happen, but hey.
Same about Giles and Joyce, and hilarious interactions this episode with the Summers. Fyi, in the Bronze, Drusilla had already snapped the victims neck, so there wasn't anyone left for him to hurt to trigger the chip.
No one will come at you for becoming a Spike/Buffy shipper. It’s literally what the show is trying to do. Plus, the fandom at the time was split. Half were hardcore Angel shippers and the rest were spike shippers (with the occasional Riley or side plot character fan).
I see this episode as a gigantic train wreck that has been coming for over 3 years -- since 2x3.
I think you actually used the term "train wreck" too.
I love the fact that this episode forces you to guess whether or not Spike's going to revert to who he used to be, or whether he is going to go full on good guy. He does neither... at ALL.
He completely rejects Drusilla in favor of Buffy... but he also ties Buffy up and threatens to let Drusilla kill Buffy if Buffy won't admit some feelings for him. Without question, this is NOT evil Spike, and this is NOT Spike changing into someone Buffy can trust. Spike does more good things and bad things in this episode than we can easily count.
This is a whole new Spike that we've never seen before.
Well, done, show.
great reaction! i'm 60 years old and I'm watching Buffy, the whole show,every year.i love it
I was thinking that when he got the uninvite it looked like you were hurt. Then you couldn’t stop saying “ouch.”
I thought it had a similar vein to when she shut Angelus and the look is: "Sorry, [Spike]. Changed the locks." But here, you kinda feel bad for him even though he does deserve it.
I never realised at the time how bad the guest star spoilers on this show were! I was like "omg she's going to be so shocked to see Drusilla " and then her name pops up! 🤬
We should edit the videos for reactors : with the credits blurred, even images if needed (like Cordy in Angel's opening clip).
Good eye on catching the Riley style with an Angel style jacket. Most don't catch that on the first viewing. Spike dressing like Buffy's previous boyfriends to give visual impression that he's boyfriend material.
The biggest problem of Spuffy fans is that we tend to see this ship only from Spike's perspective, believing that Buffy didn't love him, just like he thought of himself as unworthy of her love. But if you look through her perspective, you can see how her feelings for him develop starting from season 5. And you can actually see that she does has feelings for him, not through what Buffy says, but in what she does and in what she does not do.
Yes, she clearly has the power to kill him at any time but doesn't.
I couldn’t wait to see your reaction to this episode! And Spike is in every season from here on, so it’s about to be a ride. The official ship name is Spuffy btw
She coined Bike a while ago, and we're here for it. :)
That’s a a spoiler!
@@akutyam she's in the middle of season six on Patreon, I'm pretty sure she already knows.
@@FFPhan3145 Nah, it was a spoiler. You said he'd be in Season 7. Which is not clear toward the end of Season 6 at all
Please A date! Spike's one liner's are the best.
"I wanna be sedated! Do you like The Ramones?" 😆
Domi, another reactor, covers the bottom part of the screen (not sure how) during the period following the opening credits, so that she doesn't accidentally get any surprises spoiled.
Your reaction is amazing, it so emotional and cool. Thank you so much!
I love how season 1 Angle was telling Xander to perform cpr because he has no breath, yet we see Spike here smoking and coughing on it 😂
The part of spike and buffy in the car which was he was getting a flask of bourbon 🥃 from the bin and expressed distaste😖😝 was lol!!! Suit herself!😂🤣 Sarah and James were great on set as brother and sister alike👍😂
You gotta love Spike finally losing it at 14:33 , shrieking out the ultimate question of all males (Freud called it the one question he had no answer for): What do women want? 😂
lol well not to be tied up and threatened
@@witchy.business I’m sure there are some that want that. It’s why it’s such an infinite answer
He could drink because Drucilla killed her first. Broke her neck then tossed her to him. the chip only cares about him harming living humans.
To quote Kate Beckett from the pilot episode of 'Castle': "You have no idea!" 😊
Unfortunately some actors have contracts which mean their names have to be in the opening titles.
Harm is the perpetual side chick.
But she clearly cared for Spike, as evidenced by her outburst at Dru.
The question of vampire love rests on definitions of love, Agape or Eros, but also on the understanding of the beliefs about vampires.
Vampires are generally serial killers, although they can feed without killing, so the belief that they are soulless follows. But humans are serial killers too. And mass murderers, child rapists, genocidal, and worse. (My theory is that the legends of vampires and werewolves arise from the historical occurrence of serial murderers. Serial killers have no normal motive(greed, jealousy or anger,) are often sexual sadists, and can either be extremely methodical and patiently predatory, or animalistic in their uncontrolled murderous violence.)
But does lacking a soul mean you can't love? Or does it just damn you?
Who determined that as a fact? Didn't Dracula love Mina?
Is love divine, or sexual, or evolutionary self interest, or endless combinations and iterations?
Love this episode 💜dru is iconic
happy birthday miss.sofie more bday to come stay safe and healthy 🙏🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
You should work as a Therapist in Sunnydale. Spike needs your help 🤓
yea they learned way too late not to put the surprise guest stars on the opening credits
My Spuffy shipping heart can’t ignore the fact that the only reason Buffy turned down Spike was because he was soulless and not that she didn’t find him attractive or that there wasn’t chemistry between them.
Yeah always hated having special appearances ruined by the opening credits.
Do you want it to be?😂
oh man, I'm so anxious for the next episode(s)
The next two will be quite a ride.
This episode is among the most divisive of the series, and the fault (or credit) belongs to our James Masters, far too good at making Spike's emotions. Seeing his desperation not to be reciprocated by Buffy they forget that he is a neutralized killer, an ex-Big Bad not clearly redeemed, as well as a true stalker who is stalking the protagonist. Stalkers certainly suffer when they're not loved, but that doesn't absolve them of their crazy and creepy behaviors and Spike falls into the category.
Buffy is obviously right, as she has had it on so many other occasions, but as has already happened not everyone understands it. She turns to Spike for help when he has no other choice, if she could she would totally ignore him and if he returned to claim innocent victims she would kill him without hesitation.
The only possibility is that Spike gives TRUE proof of redemption and contrition, something that can affect Buffy deep within her and lead her to trust him.
It will happen? Only Spike can make it happen.
il fatto che lei lo usasse e pretendesse il suo aiuto è una cosa senza senso . Non penso che gli autori abbiamo presente come funzionano i rapporti umani.
Buffy è un telefilm da guardare senza farsi domande altrimenti ti esplode il cervello per le migliaia di cose senza senso che accadono
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I rapporti umani funzionano come li vediamo nella serie. Buffy non aveva altre opzioni che servirsi di lui, a parte lei era il solo abbastanza forte. Vero che c'erano Willow e Tara, ma la magia ha dei limiti anche, serviva della forza in più.
i was a hardcore spuffy (or bike) shipper at the time
I realize it’s only been 8 seconds since you posted this but ahhhh lol
James marsters best actor as Spike despite though just because he’s soulless who kills and the 2 slayers and because the initiative put a chip in his 🧠😈 that prevents hurting citizen in sunnydale but has capable to have crush and feelings for Buffy when actually feels and unlike Angelus who never does nor give into such a damn but to tormenting, braking, and destruction and only because Angel with the soul who does💔 indeed admit his love but because of D.I.D of in his personalty complicates, but for Buffy also in her reaction in spike is in denial and disgusted by the fact which I gotta feel bad for Spike💔 even despite showing his weak side out of emotional in forcing to have Buffy feel for him which won’t happen, (not yet anyway)
Spuffy 😢❤
She coined Bike a while ago, and some of us don't mind at all.
The fandom whenever someone new becomes a #Spuffy / #Bike shipper.
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Just remember, Marti Noxon assumed full creative control of the show for season 6, while Whedon was developing Firefly. The best season IMOP
Maybe not the best, but the actors at least weren't being terrorized by the show runner for a while.
She did the day to day showrunner duties (writer's room and the overall production supervision) like Greenwalt and Minear did for Joss at Angel (btw: story ideas an episodes had the yay or nay from Joss before anything and also he led the story breaking many times during S1-2-3). But she never had full creative control (she even said thanks Joss is in control). Actually S6 was mapped out during S5 (like every year). However Joss was tired of Buffy and the day to day duties and ran S6 like he ran Angel since day one. And of course he did a lot of work: story breaking eps 1 to 6 before he went Cap Cod to write OMWF; the production of OMWF (like 2 times the days they need for a single ep); Tabula Rasa idea; Spike & Buffy scenes in Hell Bells; the story breaking of Normal Again (he did with Diego Gutierrez) and, of course, the yellow crayon moment in Grave. He even still did a pass in every script before it went into production. His office was just above Sunnydale Street after all :-D (and side by side to Marti's).
@@patricksullivan2261 Liar. There isn't a single accusation or comment about him terrorizing any actor at the Buffy set. Mrs Carpenter talked about her days at Angel and only in an executive level (Joss was very little at Angel's set). Meanwhile he is still friends with the writers (Noxon, who was with him every day; Espenson and Petrie worked form him in The Nevers and almost every writer worked with him in other shows), Denisof, Hannigan, Acker (his wife even painted her just a few months ago, at his house), Tom Lenk or Tony Head (they had a dinner in London just last Christmas). But yeah, the fans, their imagination after 2-3 tweets and the Mark Chapman syndrome LOL.
@ronhelf Correct.
@@evanfront6252 Whedon isn't gonna fuck you
Angel is cursed and has no choice to be good spike wants to change and be good that's why spike is better
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Even before either was turned, William was the better man. And as we’ve seen, some of their core transfer over.. that’s why I love Spike with the other Summers women. That’s William, that’s when Spike & William look out from the same eyes.
spike still does it for selfish reason(did you not hear the Quasimodo speech) and Angel is a unique type of vampire(he feels no love, no human emotion) so…both of them suck without a soul
Sub titles always have spoilers, for instants, in the third episode, the witch, when it shows the first spell being cast on Cordelia, it says Amy's name when she is casting the spell off cam.
I assume the Elvis videos aren't supposed to be on the (multi-season) Buffy playlist...
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I love Grimm! Watched it a few weeks agofor the third or fourth time but it's always so good!!
Subtitles ruined dru for you 😄
Never read credits if you don't wanna spoil guest stars.😅
But you're feeling Spike isn't love it's called Obsession Obsession Isn't Love it's just Porter line up session
Ohmigod!
If you continue to have subtitles. A lot will be spoiled for you. I promise you that. turn it off. Look at it during edit :)
This is something I *NEVER* wanted to see:Spike choosing Buffy over Dru.X-[
00:54 - 00:59 Voldemort? 00:59 - 01:02 Yeah.That makes more sense!;-P
03:17 - 03:22 UUUUUGGGGHHHH!!!X-PPP *Why* do you have to do this to me???!!!🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
04:09 - 04:13 🤣🤣🤣 04:24 - 04:33 I don't. I hate him,but I must admit he can be pretty funny.Occasionally.
05:17 - 05:27 No,because she's the Slayer..she can take care of herself.Dawn _clearely_ can't.That's why she has to be protected by Buffy..it's basically what her _whole storyline_ revolves around,remember?X-P
05:36 - 05:38 *YES!THANK YOU!* 🖤 05:38 - 05:40 No,it's not!!! It's like saying that a harmless dog and a rabid dog with a muzzle are the same!X-[ 08:26 - 08:34 SEE?!?!THANK YOU,BUFFY!!!💛 05:42 - 05:45 IF we can,FIRST we give him a soul and THEN *MAYBE* we make Buffy fall in love with him!NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND,PLEASE!!!!!!!X-O
07:50 - 07:54 *THANK YOU!* So glad you at least acknowledge that!!>^<
10:57 - 11:06 I couldn't disagree more. I could never stand her.X-P Her _and_ Spike!That's why I think they're perfect for each other!They should just fuck off together and to never be seen again,PLEASE!!!!!!!X-O
11:21 - 11:43 And this is *PRECISELY* why I'm *AGAINST* this trope of Male-Villain-who-Becomes-Good-Because-He-Falls-in-Love-with-the-Female-Heroine!Because *YOU-CAN'T-TRUST* a change made for love!!!Because as soon as you STOP loving the person who you became better for,you can turn back to be the asshole that you used to be!You should change for the better *FIRST* and fall in love *LATER!>^
Yep, blame James. But we wouldn't want it any other way, JM is just too damned awesome...
@@ernesthakey3396 Meh. 😕 I would have been happier without him. (Not to say James wasn't good I just would have been far more happy without "Spoik"!X-P)
I love S5, but this episode isn't anywhere near a favorite for the season, the series, or the Buffyverse as a whole.
Spike wasn't hurting a dead body when he drank from the guy so he could feed that way.