Hum! James Linsey co-authored a book on conversation. This appears to be somewhat of a contradiction to how he has approached others with differing opinions, more particularly in the post-modernism topic where he often derided their intentions. Plus, he has a book called Cynical Theories. I don't think you can have a conversation with anyone with such an approach. Great topic and the interviewees were top notch. But the reference to James is somewhat of an oxymoron.
Yes! Very true, and dates this piece more than anything else. Shortly after this piece was recorded I interviewed James and Peter about their book, and asked James why, if he just wrote a book about how important it was to listen and dialogue with people, he treated people like he did on Twitter. He didn't like it, and he basically cut off all contact. Can watch the part of that conversation here at around an hour in: th-cam.com/video/08RoXYz9_UU/w-d-xo.html
I believe I have heard James say that he treats Twitter as a form of pressure relief valve. Where in he steps into the lunacy of it by venting his troll training. At the same time, the notion of expecting James Lindsey who's committed / (or in his own words) been driven to the equivalency of a PHD or more in the dark arts of Applied Critical Principals research, for our collective benefit. As I believe it can be strongly argued that the entire sophistry/strategy of ACP is the hijacking and use of the tools being discussed within this video against those seeking to use and engage them. To judge James for being defensive or even offensive for being less then optimal when engaging those defending or on the offense of ACP and CRT. Is like blaming the soldier/scout who's gone into the sewers of shit and has battled through the fogs of war to bring back critical intelligence from behind enemy lines. It's only fair and reasonable at this point that he has less then healthy / most optimal copping mechanisms for engaging in dialogue around the subjects, he has seen the inherent evils and mis uses of. To me he is culture war hero who continues to keep fighting and scouting the territory of ACP and CRT for us. It's only fair and right he be given the same grace we would give a combat vet who has yet to make peace with the enemy who in this case is still actively on the offense.
I humbly request your grace and mercy for my grammer and syntax errors. As written short form comments are one of my greatest communication growth opportunities. In summary I'm requesting Rule Omega as a form of pirate parley.
@@mattaldred2417 I can understand having that capacity in your armoury, to use as needed, and sometimes you need to set clear boundaries with people and speak directly. however, the problem is that James does this with *everyone*, even people that could/should be allies. And he loses credibility and impact as a result. He has become an example of the maxim "take care in fighting monsters, that you do not become a monster"
@@RebelWisdom I wonder how much his responses at this point could be chocked up to something akin to culture war combat fatigue? At this point how many tours does anyone think James has done since the grievance studies? Or has it been one long continuous tour of duty? My apologies for all the war analogies I finished Jocko's almost 4 hour discussion with General Don Bolduc yesterday blended with Eric Weinsteins admonitions or encouragement to not dump on or pile on our friends. I personally feel indebted to and with a good touch of loyalty towards James, Jim and Helen for their work and efforts. As in so many ways their work has saved me from myself and has helped me be much more empathetic towards those indoctrinated in CRT or ACP. I find the more time and energy I spend refining my understanding of ACPs and how they are being advocated for and used. The more over charged my internal capacitors get. All to often resulting in more relationship repair and troubleshooting then is ideal. Thank you for the tools, perspectives and information you organize, share and create. Your work helps me better regulate, resist and more ideally ground the charges as they come my way.
~19:00 The problem with that is convincing these triggered, polarized individuals who feel deeply existential threatened that they truly should have any interest in adopting & cultivating such a state of mind. But even if you somehow pull off that nearly impossible task, then getting them to actually do the real work, which is NOT easy, of learning this complex skill of holding two seemingly contradictory ideas in their consciousness simultaneously...
34:37 This is a fascinating conversation and at this point it sums up better than I could why I don't like "Fake it 'till you make it" as a philosophy.
Thank you. I use all of these collective concepts for years in my practice a, coursework and life. The overwhelming response is the perception of my realness has been most impactful for so many after years of struggle. Being authentic in the moment is challenging and far from perfect but takes the courage to continue to practice daily.
Thank you RW for your work. Your latest content has greatly challenged my thinking and I'm excited to learn and grow alongside this channel. Edit: I can't help but express my ever growing concern with the state of (political) discourse in America but your videos offer a vital spark of hope for unity... Thanks again.
Sounds like you think politics can be fixed? The problem with the world is not politics but POWER. The bigger the government the more concentrated POWER gets. There's BAD people in government. We are not all going to become good people all of a sudden. We are all fallen creatures. And on top of all of this we have an enemy that is more subtle than all of God's creatures. 1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, roams about, seeking whom he may devour." But if you don't even believe there is a *spiritual* enemy you wont be able to resist him. We need to fix our selves not fix the world. All the problems we are having are just the MANIFESTATION of what has always been . . .
It's incredibly frustrating that despite knowing the value of having difficult/challenging conversations, the vast majority of figures in positions of significant power are not interested in conversation, or that conversation plays such a small role in major decision-making processes, beyond those between such figures or large organisations. Also, where has the Dark Horse Final Word video gone??
This is fascinating it explains alot this polyvegal system the vegas nerve the physiology, the connections between your heart & voice ,the gut ,facial expressions ,why ive been so messed up my hole life & now my vegas nerve is so damaged i have ,well doesnt matter now this is a must repeat podcast from start to finnish ...i hope but my brain is so scattered who knows ...ive always known rebel wisdom was a good podcast to follow even in the early days i even subsribed but so many seriously negative experiences have happened to me in the past 2 years since i got an old second hand computer & found rebel wisdom & the IDW hopfully i can maybe refocus who knows ...thanks anyways to the exelent Rebel Wisdom.......
Going on a shared experience in nature as a group really helps. The Sierra Club vs. the Corp of Engineers. Floyd dominy and david brower went into the grand canyon on a 21 day or so adventure to see what dam sites were all about. Difficult conversations over a camp fire, agrees not to fight or shoot or any harm done.
People are afraid of what they don't know. If the different cultures that live in the US _knew_ each other better, it wouldn't be so threatening. How about facilitating cultural mixers?
It's hard to have thoughtful conversations when you are headed over the Seneca Cliff. It quickly devolves to screaming, and not in the political sense, more in the terrified sense.
Wooooooooooooow this is freakin brilliant and spot on. What a way to connect dots constructively. I am so happy to have found you guys. Big up from Spain
Reading classic literature helps to promote self-understanding and mutuality. E.g., Plato, Dickens' "David Copperfield", Henry Fielding's "Tom Jones" (including his genial reflections on life between the chapters), Gustave Flaubert, Stendhal, Thomas Mann, Herman Melville, Lawrence Durrell's "Alexandria Quartet" and his humorous "Esprit de Corps", Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, poets John Keats, WB Yeats, Zbigniew Herbert... It's a pity they don't get taught much in schools these days.
At the time you interviewed these people, this stuff felt useful and relevant. But now I just find it far too limited. I'm tired of these reductionist views on human fears and anxieties. These things go deeper than just the makeup of our brains and spines. I respect your channel a lot, but we aren't in the same world back in 2018 say, when there was a glimmer of hope for a political restoration towards civility. It is now Christ or else. There isn't some other way around this.
And when the food runs short? And your family goes hungry? When the gun shots ring out your town? What's common sense then? And respect? Who's to define then what is "common sense" and "respect?" By what framework do we collectively live by?
Listening to people you disagree with sounds very much like the sort of thing Christ did. And prescribed that we all do. I'd say these teachings are perfectly in line with Christ's philosophies. A Christian is called to welcome and encourage the final restoration. But God keeps adding time to the clock. Perhaps we are doing better than we realise. This video inspires me to try harder.
BRAVO! Love this. Thank you. I must now get more involved . REQUEST, can you please introduce yourselves on these exciting short films or at leat tag your names in text?
with the hyper vigilant state, I get that these are tough times compared to the last 50 years, but weren't people further in the past more vigilant? I imagine there was a lot more things to actually worry about during war or the Middle ages. Would it be difficult to have conversations then? Wondering what is the base line and trying to zoom further out to put this into perspective. Is the overload of information about danger more dangerous than danger itself?
Ive always been a little stand offish a little less convinced about practitioners of meditation inner peace the techniques they use the guru's the Buddha and so on why ....i dont really know i think it has something to do with their appearance. They've never seemed overly healthy or happy & its always the same ending, but i do believe there are benefits to their teachings what jamie talks of & the polyvegas ,the vegas nerve how its connected not just inwardly but has a connection with the outside world to other people & so on ..god i wish i had more time to investigate & do it justice. ......
I wonder if the biggest cause of low level threat levels of consciousness in the US and UK can be attributed to making the mortgage or rent on time. Circles back to economics, and the steady decrease of the commons. Both in land to cultivate and share, plus the strong human bonds that can form from adverse situations tackled together, ie community. The traditions and rituals that kept that social glue strong has been replaced with gaming and social/reality tv. Both forms of entertainment are harmless in themselves. That is, as a supplement to society, not as a surrogate to human and cultural development.
This is great. But I did laugh thinking that when you do deficus on people and focus on breathing you’re open to getting punched in the face so meditate responsibly. 😆
Hum! James Linsey co-authored a book on conversation. This appears to be somewhat of a contradiction to how he has approached others with differing opinions, more particularly in the post-modernism topic where he often derided their intentions. Plus, he has a book called Cynical Theories. I don't think you can have a conversation with anyone with such an approach. Great topic and the interviewees were top notch. But the reference to James is somewhat of an oxymoron.
Yes! Very true, and dates this piece more than anything else. Shortly after this piece was recorded I interviewed James and Peter about their book, and asked James why, if he just wrote a book about how important it was to listen and dialogue with people, he treated people like he did on Twitter.
He didn't like it, and he basically cut off all contact.
Can watch the part of that conversation here at around an hour in: th-cam.com/video/08RoXYz9_UU/w-d-xo.html
I believe I have heard James say that he treats Twitter as a form of pressure relief valve. Where in he steps into the lunacy of it by venting his troll training. At the same time, the notion of expecting James Lindsey who's committed / (or in his own words) been driven to the equivalency of a PHD or more in the dark arts of Applied Critical Principals research, for our collective benefit. As I believe it can be strongly argued that the entire sophistry/strategy of ACP is the hijacking and use of the tools being discussed within this video against those seeking to use and engage them. To judge James for being defensive or even offensive for being less then optimal when engaging those defending or on the offense of ACP and CRT. Is like blaming the soldier/scout who's gone into the sewers of shit and has battled through the fogs of war to bring back critical intelligence from behind enemy lines. It's only fair and reasonable at this point that he has less then healthy / most optimal copping mechanisms for engaging in dialogue around the subjects, he has seen the inherent evils and mis uses of. To me he is culture war hero who continues to keep fighting and scouting the territory of ACP and CRT for us. It's only fair and right he be given the same grace we would give a combat vet who has yet to make peace with the enemy who in this case is still actively on the offense.
I humbly request your grace and mercy for my grammer and syntax errors. As written short form comments are one of my greatest communication growth opportunities. In summary I'm requesting Rule Omega as a form of pirate parley.
@@mattaldred2417 I can understand having that capacity in your armoury, to use as needed, and sometimes you need to set clear boundaries with people and speak directly. however, the problem is that James does this with *everyone*, even people that could/should be allies. And he loses credibility and impact as a result. He has become an example of the maxim "take care in fighting monsters, that you do not become a monster"
@@RebelWisdom I wonder how much his responses at this point could be chocked up to something akin to culture war combat fatigue? At this point how many tours does anyone think James has done since the grievance studies? Or has it been one long continuous tour of duty? My apologies for all the war analogies I finished Jocko's almost 4 hour discussion with General Don Bolduc yesterday blended with Eric Weinsteins admonitions or encouragement to not dump on or pile on our friends. I personally feel indebted to and with a good touch of loyalty towards James, Jim and Helen for their work and efforts. As in so many ways their work has saved me from myself and has helped me be much more empathetic towards those indoctrinated in CRT or ACP.
I find the more time and energy I spend refining my understanding of ACPs and how they are being advocated for and used. The more over charged my internal capacitors get. All to often resulting in more relationship repair and troubleshooting then is ideal.
Thank you for the tools, perspectives and information you organize, share and create. Your work helps me better regulate, resist and more ideally ground the charges as they come my way.
James and Peter are two of the three people involved in the grievance studies. Don't forget Helen!!
~19:00 The problem with that is convincing these triggered, polarized individuals who feel deeply existential threatened that they truly should have any interest in adopting & cultivating such a state of mind.
But even if you somehow pull off that nearly impossible task, then getting them to actually do the real work, which is NOT easy, of learning this complex skill of holding two seemingly contradictory ideas in their consciousness simultaneously...
Please bring Anthony Magnabosco to go over street epistemology! This method can be used to have difficult conversations with anyone!
@@OrwellsHousecat I'm not sure about motivated reasonings, but it is an approach that uses a Socratic dialogue to understand what someone believes.
Holy moly, great idea. Aperently I'm like minded yet unfortunately live in SLC. I've been trying to find somebody to talk to. Could you DM me?
Only part way through, but I'm loving the calm delivery from all.
Wonderful to listen to you guys. Thank you.
34:37 This is a fascinating conversation and at this point it sums up better than I could why I don't like "Fake it 'till you make it" as a philosophy.
Thank you. I use all of these collective concepts for years in my practice a, coursework and life. The overwhelming response is the perception of my realness has been most impactful for so many after years of struggle. Being authentic in the moment is challenging and far from perfect but takes the courage to continue to practice daily.
Thank you RW for your work. Your latest content has greatly challenged my thinking and I'm excited to learn and grow alongside this channel.
Edit: I can't help but express my ever growing concern with the state of (political) discourse in America but your videos offer a vital spark of hope for unity... Thanks again.
Jaime thank you for putting new words with scientific approach to the old methods from yoga pranayam asanas very interesting.
Sounds like you think politics can be fixed? The problem with the world is not politics but POWER. The bigger the government the more concentrated POWER gets. There's BAD people in government. We are not all going to become good people all of a sudden. We are all fallen creatures. And on top of all of this we have an enemy that is more subtle than all of God's creatures.
1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, roams about, seeking whom he may devour." But if you don't even believe there is a *spiritual* enemy you wont be able to resist him. We need to fix our selves not fix the world.
All the problems we are having are just the MANIFESTATION of what has always been . . .
It's incredibly frustrating that despite knowing the value of having difficult/challenging conversations, the vast majority of figures in positions of significant power are not interested in conversation, or that conversation plays such a small role in major decision-making processes, beyond those between such figures or large organisations.
Also, where has the Dark Horse Final Word video gone??
This is fascinating it explains alot this polyvegal system the vegas nerve the physiology, the connections between your heart & voice ,the gut ,facial expressions ,why ive been so messed up my hole life & now my vegas nerve is so damaged i have ,well doesnt matter now this is a must repeat podcast from start to finnish ...i hope but my brain is so scattered who knows ...ive always known rebel wisdom was a good podcast to follow even in the early days i even subsribed but so many seriously negative experiences have happened to me in the past 2 years since i got an old second hand computer & found rebel wisdom & the IDW hopfully i can maybe refocus who knows ...thanks anyways to the exelent Rebel Wisdom.......
Going on a shared experience in nature as a group really helps. The Sierra Club vs. the Corp of Engineers. Floyd dominy and david brower went into the grand canyon on a 21 day or so adventure to see what dam sites were all about. Difficult conversations over a camp fire, agrees not to fight or shoot or any harm done.
People are afraid of what they don't know. If the different cultures that live in the US _knew_ each other better, it wouldn't be so threatening. How about facilitating cultural mixers?
Fascinating 🧡 I’m very curious to learn more 😊
It's hard to have thoughtful conversations when you are headed over the Seneca Cliff. It quickly devolves to screaming, and not in the political sense, more in the terrified sense.
Wooooooooooooow this is freakin brilliant and spot on. What a way to connect dots constructively. I am so happy to have found you guys. Big up from Spain
Reading classic literature helps to promote self-understanding and mutuality. E.g., Plato, Dickens' "David Copperfield", Henry Fielding's "Tom Jones" (including his genial reflections on life between the chapters), Gustave Flaubert, Stendhal, Thomas Mann, Herman Melville, Lawrence Durrell's "Alexandria Quartet" and his humorous "Esprit de Corps", Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky, poets John Keats, WB Yeats, Zbigniew Herbert... It's a pity they don't get taught much in schools these days.
But the classics are never too late. That's why they've become classics!
And they're refreshingly jargon-free...
NB: The word "jargon" is thought to originate in the Latin "garrire" = to prattle.
PS: Kurt Vonnegut's pretty good too!
Nice video thx Rebel wisdom :) I would like to see Gabor mates perspective according to his Compassionate Inquiry approach on this topic.
At the time you interviewed these people, this stuff felt useful and relevant. But now I just find it far too limited. I'm tired of these reductionist views on human fears and anxieties. These things go deeper than just the makeup of our brains and spines. I respect your channel a lot, but we aren't in the same world back in 2018 say, when there was a glimmer of hope for a political restoration towards civility. It is now Christ or else. There isn't some other way around this.
Not Christ, simple common sense and respect for others will do
And when the food runs short? And your family goes hungry? When the gun shots ring out your town? What's common sense then? And respect? Who's to define then what is "common sense" and "respect?" By what framework do we collectively live by?
@@vangoghsear8657 Well not Christ for sure
Listening to people you disagree with sounds very much like the sort of thing Christ did. And prescribed that we all do. I'd say these teachings are perfectly in line with Christ's philosophies.
A Christian is called to welcome and encourage the final restoration. But God keeps adding time to the clock. Perhaps we are doing better than we realise.
This video inspires me to try harder.
@@jacksonfamilyaccount7768 Well, Christ never really existed. Read the real history books of ancient Rome at the time he was supposed to live.
BRAVO! Love this. Thank you. I must now get more involved . REQUEST, can you please introduce yourselves on these exciting short films or at leat tag your names in text?
with the hyper vigilant state, I get that these are tough times compared to the last 50 years, but weren't people further in the past more vigilant?
I imagine there was a lot more things to actually worry about during war or the Middle ages. Would it be difficult to have conversations then?
Wondering what is the base line and trying to zoom further out to put this into perspective.
Is the overload of information about danger more dangerous than danger itself?
if it is an emotional monopoly ... then how can indeginous worldviews be protected yet fundamental in co-constructing a market for those ideals.
I love these comment sections r/iamverysmart
Ive always been a little stand offish a little less convinced about practitioners of meditation inner peace the techniques they use the guru's the Buddha and so on why ....i dont really know i think it has something to do with their appearance. They've never seemed overly healthy or happy & its always the same ending, but i do believe there are benefits to their teachings what jamie talks of & the polyvegas ,the vegas nerve how its connected not just inwardly but has a connection with the outside world to other people & so on ..god i wish i had more time to investigate & do it justice. ......
I wonder if the biggest cause of low level threat levels of consciousness in the US and UK can be attributed to making the mortgage or rent on time. Circles back to economics, and the steady decrease of the commons. Both in land to cultivate and share, plus the strong human bonds that can form from adverse situations tackled together, ie community. The traditions and rituals that kept that social glue strong has been replaced with gaming and social/reality tv. Both forms of entertainment are harmless in themselves. That is, as a supplement to society, not as a surrogate to human and cultural development.
36' mark.. and now of course psychological insight tails are wagging the policy dog. It's a double edged sword isn't it?
This is great. But I did laugh thinking that when you do deficus on people and focus on breathing you’re open to getting punched in the face so meditate responsibly. 😆
I feel like no one ever laughs on the channel …😑
Anti-stress breathing...
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