The Matter with Things | Iain McGilchrist | EP 278
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- The two hemispheres of the human brain are explicitly different and both incredibly complex. Dr. Iain McGilchrist joins to discuss and explore the science of philosophy, covering everything from our ability to reason to how art can cross cultures.
Dr Iain McGilchrist is a psychiatrist, neuroscience researcher, philosopher and literary scholar. He is a Quondam Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, an Associate Fellow of Green Templeton College, Oxford, a Fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, and former Consultant Psychiatrist and Clinical Director at the Bethlem Royal & Maudsley Hospital, London. He has been a Research Fellow in neuroimaging at Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore and a Fellow of the Institute of Advanced Studies in Stellenbosch. He has published original articles and research papers in a wide range of publications on topics in literature, philosophy, medicine and psychiatry. He is the author of a number of books, but is best-known for The Master and his Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World (Yale 2009), In November 2021 his two-volume work The Matter with Things: Our Brains, Our Delusions and the Unmaking of the World was published by Perspectiva Press.
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Hey can you plzz make a video about salman rashdie issue?
Pope Benedict XVI, in an interview during his airplane flight to Fatima:
"...the sufferings of the Church come precisely from within the Church, from the sin existing within the Church...today we are seeing it in a really terrifying way: that the greatest persecution of the Church comes NOT from her enemies without, but arises from sin within the Church."
Pope Benedict to Fr Dollinger not long after the 2000 publication of the 3rd Secret, that the unpublished part of the Secret speaks about
"a bad council and a bad mass."
Jordan Peterson is a Fascist and a waste of airtime!
Read "God And The Fascists" by Karlheinz Deschner (1965 German/2013 English) - “Gott mit uns”
The tension is killing me. Let’s just start the war already
Mr Peterson u an I both know true phycology or what I liked to call simply reading people not books is the true what they call phycology. Alot of times it takes one going thru pure shit to learn it. U know it. I'll be here all week
Great seeing Iain McGilchrist get some more recognition.
Notoriety is the wrong word. You mean fame or reputation.
Curt!!! ❤️
I agree with you
The Harvesting
A 7 year warning 🎯
Your cells and
The creatures of habit 🤓
The body will Rejuvenate all it cells in seven years, except for the eyes.
Knowing this, it is why you should eat out of the garden with good natural foods while PHing your body fluids. As you are what you eat. “And I love to devour scripture” 🥰😇
The food you eat gives energy to the body. Your body contains your soul in this life. It Is the soul that can only change from light to dark or vice a versa, but The body changes in many ways.
Let’s focus on the brain. The brain has neurotransmitters that communicate with each other. They store and transmit your information. The bad Nero transmitter will lead to a foggy brain. Fluoride will help with this foggy brain destruction. What scripture give to a rejuvenating Brian cell, is a narrow path to follow in scripture 🥰
The pattern of your thinking will help build these neurotransmitters. This is expressed in knowing the Word. So in essence, if you have not been reading scriptures for seven years then you do not have the build up of neurotransmitters at a level for true understanding of the Scripture. Thus the 10 vergins. 🤔
It is so beautiful how this works. Thank you Jesus for the Word 💯🥰😇
Because we are creatures of habits 🤷🏽♂️
Matthew 6:22-23 Authorized (King James) Version
22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
The Harvest 🥰
Your heart represents your garden.
Your head, your eyes, ears, your mind, your thoughts is the weather for your garden.
But the mouth Harvest, what is in your garden.
So then, is it safe to say! Your body is a weapon for either righteousness or deception.
The blood sacrifice gift given,
is the freedom of choice.
Now, What have you filled your garden with? 🤔
For the harvest 🥰😇
The Father said, “My Word,
will not return void”. 👀👂🏿🦻🏻
Luke 11:34-36 Authorized (King James) Version
34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness. 35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. 36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.
James 3:6-8
Authorized (King James) Version
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. 7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: 8 but the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Mike Gyver TH-cam 🤓
Did you see the sit down conversation they had a few years back? It was great.
It always blows me away we can get this caliber of content for no charge - PhD level discussions, which are probably more enlightening than about any PhD level university lecture. This goes for every single one of JP's podcasts. It's amazing.
jordan peterson is often right on the mark in regards to "telling it like it is" but still take much of what he says with a grain of salt. he is deeply imbedded with the algorithmic and, as i see it, rotten internet culture
@@SexyFace I’ll take that with a grain of salt as you are clearly deeply imbedded in this rotten internet culture.
@@peripheralparadox4218 with a name like "smegma", what's not to love?
Well said!!
we all are including you that is how culture is formed
@@peripheralparadox4218
Great Conversation! Here are some notes that may help:
4:00 The Matter With Things expounds on The Master and His Emissary via the experiential variations between left/right hemispheres + explores this in relation to the modern material reductionism
5:30 most brain structures have a divided brain - two forms of perception
7:30 right v. left hemisphere - complexity : theoretical
10:50 “believing the map v. the world that’s mapped” - one fault of current society
17:00 Divisions of “The Matter With Things” Book
18:20 severe delusions → likely disorder of right hemisphere. Also, unique opportunity to advance w/ theoretical models of the left/right hemispheres applied in the context of neuropsychological/psychiatric complications
21:00 Maps of Meaning
21:30 science, reason, intuition, and imagination (second part of “The Matter With Things”)
24:30 significance of dreams mapped onto right/left hemisphere proclivities - “we need something to fill the gap between the consistent and narrow, and ultimately unknown.”
28:00 throughline of “The Matter WIth Things”
29:28 similarities of OCD and Anorexia
31:20 misconception with making things explicit
32:50 theoretical etiology of the gender identity arguments
34:00 optical illusions and intuition
35:20 COVID and political intuition
37:50 defining/categorizing intuition and imagination; distinction between fantasy and imagination
40:00 rehabilitating conceptions of intuition and imaginations + its significance
42:05 “fantasy is the misuse of imagination to replace reality”
45:00 imagination differs from the propositional
46:29 - right hemisphere alloys things to come into being (spontaneous ideas pop into our mind) and the left hemisphere categorizes this
48:00 second part of the book is epistemology, the third part is metaphysics - the concept of opposites, the concept of the place of the individual in a whole, and the concept of the constituents of reality (time, space, flow, matter, consciousness)
50:30 values, purpose, sense of the sacred - we don’t invent them, we discover them (meaning of life)
51:05 arguments w/ people like Dr. Richard Dawkins and their shortcomings relative to religion
52:30 importance of awe and wonder
57:00 collapse of the wave function, its relation to attention, and the potential mapping onto the right brain
59:00 attention is an active, open receptivity - not passive. “Key insight to make is that attention is a moral act.”
1:00:10 logos: “truth in language and imagination serving love.”
1:01:10 “all that exists is in relation.” this is like Dr. Carlo Rovelli’s point from Dr. Brain Keating’s podcasts, where he discusses, “The world is not made by things with properties, but by things that interact with one another and they only have properties when they interact - relations, not properties.” Video Title: “Carlo Rovelli: How Heisenberg’s Hay Fever Gave Us Quantum Mechanics” Timestamp 18:23.
1:06:15 “myths were the only ways in which you could embody and communicate the really deep truths.” science has its own myths and narratives.
1:07:20 conundrum with people like Dr. Richard Dawkins regarding faith, truth, and narrative
1:10:10 “science was embedded in a narrative tradition that was at least implicit”
1:14:15 science actually hasn’t explained the concept of beauty
1:17:55 music has intrinsic meaning, depth, beauty. Goodness, truth, and beauty - most important values by Dr. Iain McGilchrist. Very interesting how many other scientists like Sir Roger Penrose and Dr. John Vervaeke point to this delineation
1:24:30 linguistics came out of the musical and why music is meaningful
1:27:00 why have we become so left-brained in a sense?
1:33:40 important to note what’s going on in our culture isn’t capitalistic malevolence so to speak, but a manifestation of something deeply rooted in our nature
1:34:25 framework of “Master and His Emissary” seen cross-culturally
1:36:55 “denial is key feature of left hemisphere’s take on the world”
1:38:30 categorizing the left hemisphere relative to left-leaning proclivity. another tendecy of the left brain is to deny the existence of something existing - out of sight, out of mind. why smart people still tend to fall on the far left spectrum (where intellect is circumvented).
1:43:30 when you see the world as mechanistic and devoid of meaning, this leads to a susceptibility towards control and sporadic emotion. Ultimately, this would lead to a culture of intolerance and totalitarianism. If you think about it, people still need an identity because it gives them some grounding/purpose - so whether they’ll use extrinsic supply of nonsense to form beliefs that loop an intrinsic sense of meaning or develop intrinsic principles and represent it extrinsically based on their goals, it’s the same mechanism (fundamental way of how “weaponizing empathy” works).
1:44:50 Sam Harris → rational atheism to meditation. Doesn’t want to associate a narrative with the spiritual observance of a meditative state/practice.
1:46:00 the function of a narrative system
1:48:00 instrumentalization/commodity of meditation
1:49:25 “isn’t anything more important than understanding the processes by which attention is directed.” bird’s eye view is essential.
1:50:45 patients with schizophrenia “see the eye of Horus” - the disembodied eye
1:52:30 there is some purpose that is transcendent, that is sacred, and is not deterministic
1:53:00 Sir Roger Penrose on non-determinism and that biology and physics point to this
This is very well put together and useful. Thank you David.
I was definitely, “troubled” before finding Mr. Peterson a month or so ago. I have been taking a lot of knowledge and view changing advice from him. I will definitely use these time stamps to go back through this later as I normally watch his content twice.
@@blankblank glad to help!
love you for this David!
thanks i was curious what the convo would be since i never heard of this gent hes talking to and the title didnt tell me anything much appreciated
thanks for the timestamps!
The authors of 2 of the most powerful books I have read. The master and his emissary and maps of meaning. I truly look forward to The matter with things. Bravo gentleman.
It’s a shame he is more known for 10 rules for life
@@lucasvarela9632 Maps of meaning was his magnum opus. 12 rules was merely commercial sell out. True readers know the former
@@lucasvarela9632 10 rules is the more accessible expression. Mom is a tough read for most
Dr McGilchrist’s work has been an amazing discovery for me in the last few months. Thank you Dr Peterson.
The Master And His Emissary is the most important book written in the past 500 years. It is a breathtaking, groundbreaking, all-encompassing, philosophical, spiritual, scientific and academic revelation, covering all aspects of life and existence. There is no area of science, philosophy, psychology, or any discipline of human life, that is not covered by TMAHE and its successor, TMWT (The Matter With Things). Both of these books are essentially Part 1 and Part 2 of Iain McGilchrist's paradigm for the two ways of viewing the world, one via the left hemisphere, one via the right hemisphere. All of it is brilliant, all of it is amazing. Every word that Iain McGilchrist utters is like poetry, metaphorical, yet absolutely relevant. Centuries later, historians will look back upon this book and Iain McGilchrist as a turning point in civilization.
Iain is one of my favorite living psychiatrists to read!
Very humbling that a human being can create such a magnificent work as The matter with things. Great to hear him on a big platform like this to get attention for his most needed work.
Very useful discussion
I am just an average 58 year old South African woman feels so profoundly blessed and grateful to have the opportunity to learn from Jordan Peterson and his guests and all his other lectures that are freely available on TH-cam, what an extraordinary gift you have given! Thank you! 😊
So few people nowadays act out something with the good intended towards everyone else versus themselves.
It’s like getting a breath of fresh air while standing and admiring a mountain meadow for flowers.
Yeah, me too. Definitely share your sentiment Beverly-Anne
Lekker man ek stem saam.
Thanks for sharing Beverly.
Thanks bev
Can I just say... Jordan, your interviewing skills have come along way, this was an absolute joy to listen to
I've got a free 2 year College Education from Peterson and his guests. So indebted to their efforts...the podcasts bring these ideas to life. Clearly proving their point...and should support the narrative point!💯
“Fantasy is something that covers up reality and takes one away from it.
Imagination is one’s only chance to feeling one’s way into reality”.
Thank you!
This idea illuminates why artists are such a revivifying force in areas of dead culture. It takes great imagination to explore what many would discount as worthless.
Brilliant. Jordan, you pitched this perfectly - I was a bit disappointed with your previous discussion with Iain (you didn't seem to appreciate his ideas and cut him up too much) but this was spot-on - teeing Iain up to explain and illustrate and adding brilliant points, examples and summations yourself throughout. It's amazing and liberating to listen to such exceptional men of knowledge!
Jordan Peterson is always chomping at the bit to get his word across. I watched his chat with Richard Dawkins, I wanted to be on Petersons side but he hardly gave Dawkins a chance to speak so I didn't really learn anything. It's much more interesting when he gives the other person a chance to speak.
@@johnwheeler3071 100% agreed. This discussion was so much better than many of the ones of Dr. JBP's I've seen in late 2021/2022. Hoping this continues!
That one did fall a bit short, in comparison to this one.
I would like another attempt at interviewing Richard Dawkins as well. That was Dr Peterson's worst interview as he said some silly things and didn't really let Dawkins talk. I read a comment that the interview was like going to a friend's place to play computer games but ending up just watching the person pay for two hours. I like Jordan Peterson but he can talk too much in his enthusiasm
Wouldn't "men of such exceptional wisdom" (to follow the "be precise in your speech" advice 😉) be preferable to "such exceptional men of knowledge"? Aren't exceptionalities of other kinds -- including, alas, "of knowledge" -- a dime a dozen in comparison? 😉
I am reading your incredible compendium on the Master and his Emissary. This was after I listened to Dr. Peterson’s discussion with you on the subject of the brain divided. Thank you for such a profound work! And to you Dr. Peterson, you’re making me a better nurse 😊
The ability to have intelligent, civil discourse is imperative. They both exemplify the saying, "assume the person you are speaking to may know something you do not."
In this conversation, Dr. Peterson does a great job listening and allowing his guest to expound. Great improvement from some interviews of his I've listened to from several months ago. I, and I assume so many others, are so much better off for having listened to this level and this exact discourse. This has given me an idea for the next article I'm cooking up.
What a privilege to be allowed to listen to the dialogue between two luminous minds. Sparks everywhere and so many new understandings. Full of gratitude
Always a breeze watching and listening to these two gentlemen. Iain's calm nature and Jordan's lateral thinking (connecting ideas and/or events) are always beautiful to see.
Shout out from Soweto, South Africa. Huge fan of Ian's work. These books and The Master and his Emissary were deeply profound with how I look at things.
2 of my all time favorite thinkers!
Babylon Bee interviewed John Cleese and at the end asked him if he could add any book to the Bible, what would it be. His answer was the Master and his Emissary by Iain McGilchrist. 😄
I saw that.
They are friends.
@@jaydamalley3398 How do I get into that friend group?! 🤣
@@sillygoose4472 If I had to guess...become a writer, or a comedian, neuro-scientist, or anyone who's able to articulate their ideas well, so as to make others want to hear what you have to say.
I listened to a podcast with Iain McGilchrist on 'unherd' and I was spellbound. No doubt this man is exceptionally talented, but he can bring his understanding across in a manner that a nobody like me feels inspired. I'll be looking for him when I feel desponded, which happens regularly these days...
Love it when these two get together! My favorite Canadian and British thinkers. What a treat!
Thank you both.
I'll have to go without food and switch the lights off for a time, but I think I'll actually go out and buy Mr McGilchrist's book. A price worth paying methinks.
You will cherish it. A masterpiece of insight. Tremendously thorough and well researched.
Just be sure and grab a new avatar, too, while you’re out 🤣
I’m about 300 pages into the book and so far loving it!
McGilchrist is so right: everything IS relationship, that’s why God IS love. And that’s why God is both one and three (the lover, the love and the beloved).
Jordan, I have to say I think Mcgilchrist is the first person you have interviewed that is your actual peer and has the deep understanding of ALL the literature in both nerophsycolgy and philosophy that makes you so fundamentally profound.
How do you know someone fully understands a subject?
They can break it down into layman's terms.
That is where Dr. Peterson shines.
That is his gift to those of us that not fully ingulfed into this type of study.
I enjoy the way he introduces me to thought exercises and gives me fact based knowledge.
I find myself constantly looking up words and people or books he references.
absolutely brilliant i haven't even watched the video yet but my favorite ever Jordan Peterson interview is with this man Mcgilchrist, it was only around 30mins long but it was so insightful and riveting and the two just had great chemistry, no doubt this will be the same cant wait!!!!
The 1st talk between them had great chemistry. The 2nd one, they seemed to have trouble getting on the same page. Let’s see if they resolve it in #3.
@@ZYYXYZY that;s funny I kind of thought the opposite,
That was in 2018 i think. The second discussion was around a year ago, this is the 3rd talk. It's fabulous the quality of intellects jbp talks to.
@@ZYYXYZY i agree with your description of the second one. This last one was the best, I think.
@@renatojohnsson5548 Agree
Iain is one of the few guys that can ‘tame’ Jordan in a conversion.
JP is pretty tame in any conversation as far as i can tell. It's only when he is facing hostile individuals that he sometimes throw courtesy out the window.
@@tatsuyaradheya3528 I didn’t refer to his level of courtesy, more his level of dominance and interrupting guests which I think can be improved and yield better conversations.
@@RadicalNuance Oh i see. If that's the case I think it's just something he have to work on himself. I know he sometimes read the comments so when he dominate too much, his viewers see it and we tell him about it. It's what happened in his Richard Dawkins interview.
Well said.
Yes, the narrative belongs to McGilchrist completely on this one. Content and flow.
I just finished volume one of "The Matter With Things". I can't wait to start the second volume and also to listen to this podcast! Ian has become quite possibly my favorite living philosopher alongside Ken Wilber.
Religious fundamentalism, scientific materialism, and postmodern relativism are the three dominant philosophical worldviews of the modern world and someone has to point out how and why all three failure epically at their attempts at describing/explaining existence while ALSO pointing to something beyond those limiting worldviews rather than merely criticizing them without offering any alternatives. McGilchrist and Wilber are the two thinkers who have best accomplished this feat imo, and it is sorely needed.
I read some Wilbur years ago but, when I just recently started paying attention to McGilchrist , Wilbur came to mind. Do they have any connection or conversations?
Outstanding session, thank you to both Dr. Peterson and Dr. McGilchrist! I appreciated Dr. Peterson allowing Dr. McGilchrist lengthy periods to articulate his thoughts. Excellent articulation of complex concepts. Greatly appreciate the discussion about meaning, philosophy and current social pathogens as they relate to the functioning of the human brain.
Thank you all in advance to uploading this masterpiece. This kind of scientific stuff and paradigms have been encouraging me to immerse myself into it more and more over nearly 2 years in a sense I'd been able to sharpen my knowledge and discover a few more aptitudes non-eligible for me but at last I begun to define what I should have done beforehand. I appreciate all of your work and from now on, I'll be more profoundly getting involved in it by a means of these inevitably vital records. God bless you all
This could have gone on for another 2-3 hours and I would have been glued to my seat.
Good call on the WEF at 1:34:00, Jordan. McGilchrist provides some major clues as to why our civilization appears to be going into a tailspin. Profound, yet straightforward. Great discussion. Thank you.
Had been patiently waiting for these two to get back together.
Gratitude gentlemen 🙏
I'm really looking forward to this talk. I've managed to watch almost all of what Jordan has uploaded which is a massive undertaking for anyone other than long haul truckers who don't listen to country music.
Iain however is hitting at something really profound and I've often wondered whether Iains work is actually the key to understanding the conflict between Jordan and many of his critics. Or even much of the anger in academic circles surrounding many of the social sciences.
I hope this discussion is everything I'm expecting and more.
As a CB radio enthusiast in late seventies as was a trucker but only on my radio speech performances. That is sitting in my untidy bedroom and an old caravan. now I'm more cognitive than just the voices in watching Ice Road Truckers. I have no practical experience of truck driving i am not then really a Trucker. But this discussion with JP turns on complex metaphysical issues not settled by psychology alone. I used to work on this and listen to Glen Campbell, i wouldn't recommend listening to this high level philosophy while driving a truck. Campbell while driving, and philosophy at the Truck stop or in the diner. Probably the two can be kind of covered at the same time by watching Hell Drivers a British film from 1950s. I have posted about Kant on this in the general comments (11:00 GMT August 12th 2022) just as Watching a Trucker movie won't make me a Trucker, unreflective absorption in psychology won't avail me of the question of human nature without Critique. But its a start as the image is not so different as to not afford some relation between the image and the thing in itself, just not everything. no amount of visual representations or rules or principles can constitute me as a competent Truck driver. that there is then not everything to being a Truck Driver in mere cognition and rules, the gap is not more rules and more cognition but a gap between the cognitive/propositional and bodily practice which is a gap in two different registers viz., Cognition and Reason mediated by the Power of Judgement (Kant). but this is not of a sue generic agent a first ex nilo agent of an act, the competent Trucker is not understandable as competent ("having" "possessing" states of mind and capacities) independently of a functioning truck and affording road. but not just that competence also requires all the road rules and institutions before the trucker. its called externalism in philosophy and philosophy of mind (Wittgenstein through Putnam Kripke to McDowell's "Can Cognitive psychology determine epistemology. Perhaps add can it determine an appropriate action. also see Simon Blackburn on John Wisdom's lectures for the genesis of this example ) We can add that we probably cannot make sense of what a good road or truck etc is within out a competent driver. What is called a gap between say theory and practice is not then a gap between two heterogeneous things: the driver and the world and so the competence nexus here means judgement is in play with both meaning neither of them make ontological sense alone or as a relation (IR) between two separate or separable things. judgment in context is first and we make a "double entry book keeping" error, an "audit error" in thinking of the two as really analytically separable. i.e which came first the wheel or the road. But this doesn't cover the Ice Road issue? I hope you don't mind but i think my comments to comments don't often get read so i will post this with reference to you in the main comments section, since your comment was useful to me in clarifying something to my earlier discussion of JP.
@@harveyyoung3423 Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately your references are lost on me as I am not well read with regards to philosophy.
There is a saying that resonates with me regarding the source of wisdom. I'm not sure who to give credit for it but it goes something like this... "There are three paths to wisdom. By reflection, which is the noblest. By example, which is the easiest. And by experience, which is the bitterest."
Peterson has that reflective and example way about him while I tend towards learning by the bitterness of experience.
It's nice to have someone articulate the things I've learnt to appreciate though a lifetime of my own blundering. I'm continually expanded by his careful mastery of the language.
I'm assuming you're not making fun of my simplicity and your comments are a rich with right hemisphere appreciation. It may take me a while to appreciate what you wrote though. My room tends to be a little unruly despite what I'm learning. I feel I'm heading in the right direction though.
You’re right. Go spend some time with Alan Watts (British philosopher in the 60s, teaching Zen and Hinduism - hundreds of audio lectures on TH-cam) - you’ll see that what McGilchrist is describing regarding correct-attention and the use of intuition and right-hemisphere flow is the ‘middle way,’ and that the tyranny the left hemisphere holds over the right is not a new problem - it’s the most ancient problem of consciousness.
@@cecilcharlesofficial Can confirm, the most ancient problem of consciousness. And it seems all big World religions contain lessons on how to make less mistakes about it.
Really enjoyed this discussion. My response to your question to Ian about intuition I believe it’s the brain’s way of using all the data it has absorbed over a lifetime to inform whatever you’re facing in the present. As always, thank you.
One can learn more in one of your interviews than if half a semester in college.
C'mon. Really? Half a semester?
I think it's more like a full semester. ;)
This conversation is SO GOOD. I might have to read McGilchrist's book.
McGilchrist’s point about the value (and implication) of where one places one’s attention - so important.
Since things tend to cluster (people, people with various hobbies or beliefs, types of art/music, youtube videos and the ‘suggested videos’ which follow them, etc) it places even more importance on that initial choice of what to attend to, because the things around it, which will vie for your attention too, are likely similar in nature and shape your life by the ideas they espouse and the culture they create.
So start every day by thinking about and learning about the things that are truly important to you. Put yourself on the right path at the start, because if you’re gonna go down a rabbit hole, make it one you’re passionate about.
Wise words. Thank you.
Yes, if we all attend to what's deeply important to us and our childrens' future instead of what media is selling, we'd avoid civilizational crisis. Let love steer the boat.
This conversation is has found a place in my all time top ten discussions. I almost cried at some points.
Less than a month, and this type of intelectual content has over 300k views. This is what gives me hope in humanity. If only these 300k+ type people can learn to communicate even a fraction as good as these guys, we would help pull the world out of this pit of insanity.
I have listened to this podcast in it’s entirety on DailyWire / TH-cam three times now… This content is so rich - I could listen many more times just to try and glean - the information shared here. Love the interplay and dialogue between you two. One of my favorite all-time podcasts! Amazing! 🤔 WOW! Much to Think about and ruminate on. Thanks for sharing.
**I wish we could add comments like this on DailyWire.** 🙏👏👏👏
This is a brilliant conversation. I needed this today more than I realised, thank you so very much. JBP & IM
Thank you, Jordan. This was a beautiful conversation ❤️ sending love from South Africa 🇿🇦
I meant to read the Master and His Emissary after the last McGilchrist / Peterson interview because he was so compelling. I didn’t read it, and now I have his second book to read, too! Wow - what a conversation.
Wow. A few college-level courses here with lots to consider. Thank you both.
I love Ian's work.
So, roughly 9 minutes and 20 seconds in, where Ian talks about how the left hemisphere breaks things up to make them more manageable, this is a really good insight when overlayed on management structure like he's doing.
The Roman Empire, for example, had a famous saying, "divide and conquer," totally a left brained approach.
Nothing is more interesting than when biology and physics meets psychology and philosophy
This is a new one of my favorite conversations.
This is a brilliant, brilliant conversation and uncannily relevant topic.
I’m not the smartest guy n the world, lots to take in and try to understand but I continue to listen, love ya DOC, just a guy trying to learn, trying to be better, keep up the great work, you are truly helping people/ me….. thank you Doc.
Looking forward to this part 2!
I’m in the process of watching this for the fourth time. I feel like I need to absorb everything that’s being discussed here. Dr. McGilchrist’s books are fantastic. Buy them and Read them.
Excellent guest, great conversation. Worth paying my attention to.
Thank you for all your hard work Dr. Peterson, I really appreciate everything you do!
So meaningful conversation!
I'm only an hour in and this conversation really speaks to me, thank you both
What a great conversation!! Thank you gentlemen.
JP - Thank you so much for this! Love it. One critique - what’s with ads? I got TH-cam Premium so I don’t have to deal with ads. Not cool.
Please bring Dr. McGilchrist's books to audible! They are only available on paper and kindle. That would have been great if we could listen to them.
Master is on audible
Stunning. Thank you both. 🙏🏽
Hi Jordan
Just want to advise you that, if you keep the volume of your voice down when you speak, you will be perceived more clearly.
By starting with a lower volume with the voice means that you can use dynamics, which catches the listener's ear much more effectively.
Sincerely
Really amazing content. Thank you!!!
What an absolutely wonderful conversation! It has taken me several days to get through it and my notebook is full of notes and it has been incredibly rewarding to go on the journey of watching this video.
I didn't know anything about McGilchrist before but I'm sure to read his book now. His deep analysis of the differences between the hemispheres and its consequences it mind blowing.
I wonder if the lack of right hemisphere thinking is hindering us from making truly fundamental breakthroughs in engineering and science and that our relience on the left hemisphere causes most of the work to be incremental and shallow (not to say that it's not useful).
There are many many people out there, that no nothing of this great man. He is a true gift to the world.
I mention him alot while I drive my taxi.
Fantastic, I just wish I knew how to take the knowledge they discuss here and have a way to implement it into my life
I absolutely love this conversation. What a great intellectual exchange, it gave me great new perspective and understanding. Thank you very much!
One of the best discussion Jordan had this year! Thank you!
Inspired by this conversation
There is Truth (meaning, Soul, purpose) in Beauty (that which inspires us with Awe) if accompanied by Goodness (for All).
"Only people who didn't come from Instagram and TikTok are worthy of liking this.."
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LOL.
Surely that isn't a bot
Same here
The Harvesting
A 7 year warning 🎯
Your cells and
The creatures of habit 🤓
The body will Rejuvenate all it cells in seven years, except for the eyes.
Knowing this, it is why you should eat out of the garden with good natural foods while PHing your body fluids. As you are what you eat. “And I love to devour scripture” 🥰😇
The food you eat gives energy to the body. Your body contains your soul in this life. It Is the soul that can only change from light to dark or vice a versa, but The body changes in many ways.
Let’s focus on the brain. The brain has neurotransmitters that communicate with each other. They store and transmit your information. The bad Nero transmitter will lead to a foggy brain. Fluoride will help with this foggy brain destruction. What scripture give to a rejuvenating Brian cell, is a narrow path to follow in scripture 🥰
The pattern of your thinking will help build these neurotransmitters. This is expressed in knowing the Word. So in essence, if you have not been reading scriptures for seven years then you do not have the build up of neurotransmitters at a level for true understanding of the Scripture. Thus the 10 vergins. 🤔
It is so beautiful how this works. Thank you Jesus for the Word 💯🥰😇
Because we are creatures of habits 🤷🏽♂️
Matthew 6:22-23 Authorized (King James) Version
22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
The Harvest 🥰
Your heart represents your garden.
Your head, your eyes, ears, your mind, your thoughts is the weather for your garden.
But the mouth Harvest, what is in your garden.
So then, is it safe to say! Your body is a weapon for either righteousness or deception.
The blood sacrifice gift given,
is the freedom of choice.
Now, What have you filled your garden with? 🤔
For the harvest 🥰😇
The Father said, “My Word,
will not return void”. 👀👂🏿🦻🏻
Luke 11:34-36 Authorized (King James) Version
34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness. 35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. 36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.
James 3:6-8
Authorized (King James) Version
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. 7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: 8 but the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Mike Gyver TH-cam 🤓
These are the types of discussions that make my mouth water. Both my left and right hemispheres are pleased.
Jordan talks too much. I want to listen to the guest.
Dr Peterson is generally a very respectful and skilled interviewer. Having watched two of his interviews with Iain McGilchrist, a particular reverance and respect struck me, which is completely understandable.
I've not being pulled Into one of these podcasts as much as this in a long time, if ever. I must look into Iain Mcgillcrist and his work more.
You know Jordan is talking to someone he admires when he calls back all interruptions. His dialect seems to come out more during this conversation ey. I think us Yorkshire folk are much like the canadians, we have lot of the same manorisms only different ye ;)
I’ve struggled with OCD for over 10 years. I just about jumped out of my seat when you started discussing analytic philosophy- as I distinctly remember my thoughts racing while reading Descartes’ meditations.
I had to pause at the halfway mark because my brain couldn’t swallow more. You two pack a punch that leaves me reeling.
Brilliant conversation. Made my day. Thank you gentlemen! 🙏🏽
Oh my GOD, that's an awe inspiring discussion! I'll definitely come back to it several times, there's just so much to unpack.
Is there any chance for a second part? If so, please consider inviting Rupert Spira to it - i'm mean, i've been eagerly waiting for a sperate interview with him but after listening to this here discussion i would love to hear the three of you dive into these matters together.
Either way, thank you for all these high quality videos - it's incredible and humbling to have free access to such knowledge! 🙏🙏
Two of my favorite people 💚
Same here)))
@@D.S.9BOG6 were you by any chance ‘busy’ with the topics that we’ve been able to listen to so far? I was, which makes it truly orgasmic on steroids to listen to them.
The Harvesting
A 7 year warning 🎯
Your cells and
The creatures of habit 🤓
The body will Rejuvenate all it cells in seven years, except for the eyes.
Knowing this, it is why you should eat out of the garden with good natural foods while PHing your body fluids. As you are what you eat. “And I love to devour scripture” 🥰😇
The food you eat gives energy to the body. Your body contains your soul in this life. It Is the soul that can only change from light to dark or vice a versa, but The body changes in many ways.
Let’s focus on the brain. The brain has neurotransmitters that communicate with each other. They store and transmit your information. The bad Nero transmitter will lead to a foggy brain. Fluoride will help with this foggy brain destruction. What scripture give to a rejuvenating Brian cell, is a narrow path to follow in scripture 🥰
The pattern of your thinking will help build these neurotransmitters. This is expressed in knowing the Word. So in essence, if you have not been reading scriptures for seven years then you do not have the build up of neurotransmitters at a level for true understanding of the Scripture. Thus the 10 vergins. 🤔
It is so beautiful how this works. Thank you Jesus for the Word 💯🥰😇
Because we are creatures of habits 🤷🏽♂️
Matthew 6:22-23 Authorized (King James) Version
22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
The Harvest 🥰
Your heart represents your garden.
Your head, your eyes, ears, your mind, your thoughts is the weather for your garden.
But the mouth Harvest, what is in your garden.
So then, is it safe to say! Your body is a weapon for either righteousness or deception.
The blood sacrifice gift given,
is the freedom of choice.
Now, What have you filled your garden with? 🤔
For the harvest 🥰😇
The Father said, “My Word,
will not return void”. 👀👂🏿🦻🏻
Luke 11:34-36 Authorized (King James) Version
34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness. 35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. 36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.
James 3:6-8
Authorized (King James) Version
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. 7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: 8 but the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Mike Gyver TH-cam 🤓
What a fantastic conversation. Thank u guys so much
Amazing discussion. Thank goodness for these two. If only wokists, bureaucrats and the like would watch this and transform their ways of processing their perceptions of the world and what they paid attention to and then attended to. Perhaps it has to be generational and will take decades. Nevertheless this discussion is such a gift. Many thanks
One of your best interviews yet. Great job. We are fast approaching the goal, my friend ;)
This is an EXCELLENT conversation... 😁
Keep doing what you're doing, Doc. It blows my mind that we can get this sort of education without paying for a college course. Of course, this video is just a tidbit in the grand scheme, but still, great information none the less.
Glad you discussed these points. I hope people listen and grow!🌟
Love how they highlighted the importance of imagination. People who only think "evidence-basedly" are so close minded. They can only work with something that had been researched because of someone else's imagination.
Yes! The importance of discovery and it's time to imagination is so key. Otherwise you are stuck using only things that are known. You can see this with many of the woke. Imagine a new continent was found today. Rather than explore it they would leave it alone out of some sense of duty to leave untouched things untouched.
Again a great conversation It really gives me joy. Sometimesi i see reactions on JP on TH-cam. They alwayys have a (I now know) left hemispheres map of JP. He is either a genius, a liar or a danger. I loved the remark of Ian that humans have to work there way and combine all channels and ways of knowing and that inconsistency is not bad but sign you are human and exploring. Secondly. JP asked Ian why left hemisphere is taking over in our culture. Could it be that changes go so fast and information so much that we just have grab (left hemisphere) a hold not to fall. Our right hemisphere cannot cope and just gives up and we are stuck with each his own unupdated map. Thank you guys. Life changing content.
I remember being asked in grade school, who I'd like to have lunch with (anyone dead or alive)... I never really knew who I'd select.
Today of the living people, Jordan Peterson is front runner on that list.
Well id certainly pick our prophet allahs blessings may be upon him but having a convo with mr. peterson who is luckily alive would be really cool too😀 i dont know him 100% but from what i know is i love his morals and the way he thinks and the things that worry him. His videos alone act as a better father figure than propably half of the fathers all over the world
The lunch lady? Perhaps your friend.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn would be high on my list.
I just think I would connect much better with a fellow man who knows something from experience, not just academic study about real hunger, exposure and life threatening hardship.
I just listened to Wagner's die maestro singer.. as a 44 year old my intuition Blended with my 5 year old self listening to "Peter and the wolf"... I feel what I don't have words to explain, thankyou for insight 🙏
this explains one of the reasons why I jumped off my masters degree program in Art History and switched to Computer Science. Not to mention the people honestly admitting they would use "Marxist scientific theory" in their masters dissertation was the insistence of studying art through the lens of Foucault, who similar to Pinker claimed that everything can be interpreted as a piece of literature.
Seeing as how many of the other students studied for years and couldn't even discuss the various different perspective drawing techniques or other things any experienced draftsman would understand I knew I was surrounded by people with no visual literacy or appreciation for the idea that visual (and musical) understanding precedes language.
I'm glad I did my undergraduate in studying the western canon of art and intellectual history, it's really at the higher levels where you see them acting out the parody of the academy found in "Gulliver's Travels" by Jonathan Swift.
Such an interesting conversation. Similar points of view yet each with their own twist. 👍
Two of the greatest minds alive today.
I love Peterson's written work and Iain's lectures. I'm saving up to get his book right now. Just bought another book that was $170, and I can't bring myself to buy another $150 book without saving up a bit lol
This is such dynamic and exciting matter you are discussing. I love it
I will not pretend that I understand everything they are saying, but I cannot get enough of listening to all these kinds of conversations. My whole brain has somersaulted a thousand times over over the last three years. It is beautiful. It is as though I am taking university classes!
I have been recently thinking though, that all these great thinkers will cease to exist in a very few decades. Considering all that is going on in the entire world, I doubt that, what I imagine society will become then, I doubt that societies will be able to produce such great geniuses. The humane kind of geniuses. The wise ones. Really. Am I delusional?
Enjoyed the first McGilchrist interview very much. This one was great as well.
Epic insights. Love the point about Shakespeare and genetics. "Shakespeare's play (King Lear) has more truth in it than many a book of genetics but it's just a different kind of truth". The truth here is just earth-shattering.
Absolute gold! Grateful for this.
It is amazing seeing Dr Peterson that excited and interested... :)