Crime Beat: The Senseless Killing of Rosemarie Junor | S4 E24
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- In December 2015, 28-year-old Rosemarie 'Kim' Junor was browsing in a drug store in an underground shopping concourse in Toronto’s financial district, when she was stabbed in the chest by a complete stranger.
Why would anyone want to murder the sweet, innocent ultrasound technician and newlywed? The attacker, a woman in her forties, went into hiding but eventually was taken into custody. The subsequent trial resulted in a verdict that still haunts the family of Junor today.
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Sadly in society a person is not taken seriously until a serious incident occurs...and most times at the cost of innocent people's lives 😢 RIP Rosemarie 💕💗
It is so true which makes it an all around tragedy.
She is free to be among society...just like she was prior to buying a $3 knife & killing an innocent young woman in broad daylight! She is free until - she decides in her head she no longer requires meds, stops taking them, and does something like this again. It's inevitable . Maybe then, she will see the inside of a prison, this murderer does not belong on our streets or in our communities. If she is well enough to walk out of a mental hospital, she is well enough to walk into a prison and serve her sentence for murder in the 1st. Condolences to the Junor family, may they one day see full justice served! Rest In Peace Rosemary, fly high.
This is so common in Canada, kill someone, blame it on mental health and avoid prison. I’m sorry it’s bs
I think what is so common is failure for people in society to really understand the seriousness of mental illness. There needs to be more help and access to services. More education will help better identify people needing help before dangerous incidents happen.
I agree but I'll also admit that people don't get the help they deserve because our government fails them
@@Only-interested-in-the-truth it absolutely is serious. There are thousands of people suffering with severe mental illness and they don’t go around killing people. This should not be excused, mental illness or not.
@@SaraSummerI work with people suffering from this type of mental illness. It is over the top scary. They are not in their right minds. They need care. If an act is not intentionally because someone is not in their right mind they can not be held accountable. I don't think she should have been released in to the community. There are so many people in the community roaming around like this.
Canadian law is a joke anyways
My heart hurts for the Junor family. Zero justice for their loved one.
Yes , just as bad as the murder of Tim Mclean on the bus when that mentally ill guy mutilated him as well, poor family..
you wrote this three weeks ago a Ukrainian soldier had his head blown off clean off and where is the justice for their loved ones…for that matter just Ukraine and Russia alone over 300,000 mangled corpses and where is the justice… Sure I know that has nothing to do with this case but if the woman that committed the murder was genuine than justice has been served … She's going to be suffering with this the rest of her life so much so you and I can never understand how painful it will be for her… And if she's genuine putting her present serves no purpose at all as a matter of fact the money to keep her in prison comes out of our pockets and it cost a lot of money to keep an inmate or patient it cost a fortune so it's a negative … I think your statement was wrong saying zero justice… For her punishment could be greater than any prison sentence of any kind. I don't think we would want to live with it you know?
@@jeffrenman4146 because we live in CANADA 🇨🇦
@@jeffrenman4146, if you are married to an Ukrainian woman to come here talk about your war problem , you should be ashamed of yourself ! This woman died out of nothing and her family got ZERO justice at all!! The perpetrator is walking free amongst us!
@@powerofloveismthat story hunt me till this day ! That monster is walking the streets today !
Sure hope she’s not in my neighborhood, this system is broken
@ 30:58 - she said it perfectly. I don’t harbour any resentment or hard hatred for mentally ill people, I believe they deserve compassion and help for their issues, however that does NOT excuse them from murder, nor does it make them any safer for the public. The end result is the same - an innocent person is dead - even if the action was done out of illness instead of malice. RIP to Rosemarie who lost her beautiful life too soon. I hope that Rohninie gets help, but I also hope she never walks in public again.
Amen! I live with a mental illness (bipolar disorder) and I completely agree. We are not murderers or criminals but a few of us choose to commit evil acts and that’s on us. I’ve studied a lot about mental illnesses and none of them mention anything about harming others as part of our illnesses. Plus many criminals often fake a mental illness to avoid a long jail sentence. As far as I am concerned, if you are capable of going to a dollar store and buying a knife to stab someone, then you are capable of making competent decisions. A person may need to be given psychological help during a regular sentence in a prison but not 5 years in a hospital. And finally, our mental health system needs to be taken more seriously. Not simply because of cases like this but those of us who have experienced mental illness and need help.
Sure until she “falls through the cracks” and someone stops monitoring her!!!! What if she stops taking her medication? RIP Rosemarie
The greyhound bus cannibal and murderer is not even monitored as to whether he is taking his medication or not, no one has any idea, he is not monitored at all, neither the public or a doctor have any idea if he takes his medication, let that sink in, he decides one day to stop his medication as he has before and you happen to be sitting on a bus near him.
She needs to be jailed she is a treat to herself and around her. Sadly its the greyhound bus incident all over again. I feel bad for the family they wont receive proper justice.
You're a treat 🙂
Sadly justice does not bring anyone back. This literally could happen to anyone. I know where this happened and this is just a horrible matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong place. I don't think jail is the right spot but I think she needs life long close supervision preferably in a controlled clinical facility because she will always only be a few missed pulls away from being dangerous.
@Only
Well said!
I absolutely agree
People who are mentally incapable should never go to prison just because the victims loved ones want revenge.
Let us not get into the American way of thinking when it comes to the Juridical System!
It not about revenge. it's about murdering a person for no reason and going to jail for it. My goodness, how quickly the system forgot about the victim. She walks free n live her merry life. God forbit it happens again, hope her next victim won't be one of you ppl defending her. Then tell me how your family will react
My God ..No ...dont let her out ...if she wants out off the hospital put her in jail ...
Canada dont look after people with mental health problems ... and they love their criminals... how sick is that ...what happens when she gets out and dont take her meds ... HELLO 🤬🤬
Karla Holmoka has been out for years as well, Paul Bernardo's partner in crime, she changed her name after marrying her lawyer and she has children and lives in Quebec.
@@powerofloveism only in Canada ...there is no justice here .. 🤬
RIP Rosemarie Junor - young beautiful woman life cut short😢. Toronto will always remember❤️
Geee...that's great...just because she's in treatment, doesn't mean she's cured. As someone who has a close personal friend who suffers from schizophrenia, it's a lifelong illness. I don't agree with allowing someone who has killed, lose. They say she's being monitored, but with the stress on our parole system, is she really? How do you know she'll stay on her medication? I think this isn't right.
Absolutely BS This lady got off with murder and cases like this open the door to other people committing crimes and then saying that they are suffering from mental health or that they are trans. Which will result in a slap on the wrist.
Ok, Professor in mental health and criminal behaviour!
So why did she kill this Lady?
And if she was on a mission to kill, why didn't she kill more people?
Why hadn't she ever been involved with Law Enforcement before?
I mean, your logic is absolutely missing.
@@leneo1731 how can anyone as just a member of society know the answer to those questions and really what does it matter, the fact that she killed one is not enough for you??? that's all the logic that is needed in this instance, she murdered someone.
Did you read what the OC wrote?
Did you read what I wrote?
Try once more because you obviously missed the point.
Why on earth are you rambling on about not one being enough which had nothing to do with my point whatsoever, neither in relation to the point of the OC.
@@leneo1731 you seem incredibly hostile and condescending perhaps you should have yourself evaluated before you end up in a situation like this and someone gets hurt.
@@_Y.Not_ Are you serious right now?
Again, I have to ask if you in fact are paying attention at all.
Did you listen to what was being said in the video?
Also, you don't respond to what I wrote you the last time.
Did you in fact get the point of this post, and what I responded with?
It doesn't seem like it so I'll give you a little update.
This woman was diagnosed with Schizophrenia which is a very severe disorder.
For you to say that I probably suffer from Schizophrenia is just beyond all normal behaviour, even when it comes to online trolls!
The reason for my so called hostile reaction is because people like you are throwing out comments that show me you don't understand what's being said in the video or you simply just chose to be ignorant and you're just out here provoking.
On conditional discharge, the person with the mental illness should be on a system, similar to parole, that holds them accountable.
First off Rohini is out for a while now living in the community. Second she has a previous history of harming someone close to her and was placed in the hospital for that attack before this incident occured. People need to stop saying oh there is no mental health support. There is support but with anything free there are wait times and people have to be willing. Many of these unwell people are unwiling to get help and stay medicated. I worked as a mental health nurse for 30 years, so people need to stop with the excuses .
No compassion for someone who refuses help when they were offered care way before this happened.
Really you were a mental health nurse and think people not in there right mind refuse help?? It’s the cycle take the meds fell better and don’t think you need them…it’s a combination of family support and health care it’s a constant battle not to mention the stigma of taking anti psychotic meds…I’m glad your not a nurse anymore you sound inept to me
Darleen, do you know for sure that "she has a previous history of harming someone close to her and was placed in the hospital for that attack before this incident occured"? How come that wasn't mentioned in court?
As someone who has used the mental health you claim is so available let me tell you, the quality of mental health help you eventually will receive in Canada is severely lacking, the number of people in our mental health system who have little idea of what they are doing or even care to help someone instead of just collecting a paycheque are few and far between. As for not being willing to stay medicated perhaps you should educate society on the side effects of many of these medications, they can be absolutely horrendous and life-destroying as much as the mental illness itself.
The fact that you, as a working mental health nurse, have the opinions you have is extremely questionable and also pretty scary.
You come off as a person with very little empathy and understanding of the people who struggle with mental health issues.
You're focusing on people being willing to accept help and many being unwilling to stay medicated when we in fact are discussing a case of a woman being diagnosed with Schizophrenia!
Do you know anything about Schizophrenia?
One of the biggest traits of Schizophrenia is paranoia, meaning that the person is extremely sceptical and afraid of other people's intentions.
They believe everyone is their enemy and they often belive that medications in reality are something that is going to hurt them.
It's so common for people with Schizophrenia not to want to take medications because they truly believe they're being poisoned!
For you, as a working mental health nurse, to turn this around to them being unwilling to accept help and stay medicated is just mind blowing!
@@leneo1731 I too wondered about the statement that this person made about being a mental health nurse.
We need way more mental health facilities, doctors and nurses. 🕊🇨🇦🕊
the super expensive medical treatments no one can afford that take years if lucky to get any help once you finally save up come on think that thru...
@@antlerrit would be covered under our provincial medical plans just like any other inpatient hospital stay
No... we need a fair Canadian Justice System!!
Locked her up before next civilian got killed. There are quite some sick people in the street hurting or even killing people . Cannot forget Greyhound Bus Killing . So sad please protect your innocent people .
Rest in Power, Rosemarie Junor. I'm so sorry that your life was taken so tragically. 🙏🏾
The lawyers and judge are killers as well in this situation.
agree
Unbelievable that a stranger could walk up to you and kill you, sad R.I.P never to be forgotten ❤
She is a smart woman and knew how to play the system
Are you for real right now?
Please let me know how you came up with this insight and especially why she did it.
@@leneo1731 are you her ? Shame on you! We have seen this a lot ! If you have been living under a rock and you just came out . Get informed ! Lol
You can’t trust the murderer because when she was in and out of mental hospitals and at her home she wouldn’t take her pills. Keep her in the mental institution and when she slowly gets better put her in prison or keep her in the mental institution. A life was taken for nothing, she needs to pay for the rest of her life. Who will trust her, I wouldn’t. Condolences to her family
I wish there were more ads in this video, one every 5 minutes wasnt enough
The killer played the system and all these gullible lawyers and colleagues fell for it. If she were mentally ill, why did only present for the first time after police started questioning her. Thanks to stupid Canadian legal system, killers, thieves, pedophiles or any form of criminality, are better treated than victims. If I were Rosemarie’s family, would pay her back. After all, two can play that game.
Sadly this is literally how a lot of people get diagnosed. There is a major episode and then they have got everyone's attention. I have worked with a lot of people with this diagnosis that we appearing to be functioning normally and were even very accomplished for their age until snap an incident happens.
Liberalism run a muck
She was diagnosed with mental health issues before she killed someone, unfortunately this short documentary doesn't cover everything. Toronto life wrote two in depth articles about rohinie bisesar life, child hood and eventual diagnosis.
People who have a serious mental illness do not recognize that nor do they think they need medication. As well the mental health laws give them the power to not take meds until someone figures out how sick they are and can commit them to be treated. Unfortunately it is a very frustrating system to be able to get someone any help, RIP and prayers for the family and friends!
It did present in her past, she had several hospitalization . I know that still seems so unfair and she should be charged if she doesn’t take her meds and our mental health system should be accountable too
I'm going say it's very sad on just how the mentally sick people are falling through the cracks. My thoughts and prayers are with all involved in this ugly situation. Rest easy.
I love this channel and its format.
Condolences to your family. I pray this woman does not kill again.
RIP Rosemarie 💕
Dear family, I am deeply saddened by your loss. My father was also schizophrenic and often refused to take his medication because the voices would tell him to stop. To the brother who lost his sister and chose not to forgive this person, the message should be that he is simply holding onto poison in his sole. Forgiveness is a matter of you, not of this sick person. Ask God to help you forgive. 🙏
Great coverage
hmmm...something doesn't seem right. I still feel it was intentional. Why that specific woman? if it was illness it would of been anyone, there is no Dollarama close to that area so she traveled far. How did she know the camera was not able to view that part of the store? I really feel she knew Rosemarie.
NCR is just BS. She needs a life
Sentence in a max prison
I doubt any one will employ her, even if she is 200 % well. This is so so sad.
This is totally disgusting
Fine line between Genius and Madness
If an individual is found NCR, and are put into a mental hospital and that individual happens to pass all these steps, why are they not then prosecuted for the previous actions and sent to jail to serve the term they would have been given if they were not found NCR. That only makes sense.
But also if this individual knew and was aware of her actions nonetheless being "caused" by her mental health, does that not prove 100% she knew what she was doing in some fashion.
it’s so much more complex than just judging someone for the violent attack, the new standard for NCR requires that if someone has been deemed so mentally unwell to the point that at the time of the attack they were not able to mentally function ‘normally’ in a way for them to know what they are doing is wrong/weird/crazy like everyone else does. also you have to think about different cultures where their beliefs/ knowledge surrounding mental illness is so lacking to the point of ignorance and even refusal to accept that it even exists, leading to vulnerable people being ostracised and ignored by their very own and only support system (families and friends) so many factors contribute to the final finding of NCR. Meaning, while someone is unable to differentiate between reality and fantasy it would not necessarily benefit anyone especially the sufferer to punish them for a crime they possibly don’t even know they committed and more than likely are horrified by their actions because when they are well they have the same ability as ‘sane’ people to know right from wrong and know when something is reality and not delusions. don’t get me wrong i feel so much compassion and empathy for atrocious senseless crimes being committed and the families left behind whilst also being very aware of how complex the human mind is (even ‘experts’ have to admit failure sometimes when trying to work the brain out) and how unwell a person can become. growing up with a father suffering schizophrenia, not understanding the illness and blaming him for his bad choices, had a massive impact on my childhood until i grew older and learnt more about people not being their true selves and a mental illness is just as debilitating/devastating as a terminal illness and it has to be treated
Since so many mental institutes have been closed over the many years in Canada; these situations will continue to exist.
Yes I thought about the Greyhound victim too. Very sad
"robbed her of the ability to know...", sad sad state of affairs when that sort of garbage can fly. that defense lawyer is sickening. no place in this world.
She hid the knife right up until she stabbed Rosemarie, then disposed of it immediately & walked away. Does not sound NCR. Even if it was she’s still a danger to the public & should be kept away.
This is just a difficult situation, as we lack care for those that do ask ,or trust someone in regards to getting help .... There is no help ? We need to get more doctors an hospitals like Whitby Shores, CAMH , these place have waiting list that take years in the meantime people suffer, the mentality ill, an off course the one that are trying to help these people function on a daily bases ... Thus is so stressful .
I remember when this happened. I never knew her but this broke my heart in so many peoces.
This is an indictment of the impotence of our Healthcare system.
What a tragic senseless violent act. This is so sad. I remember this case well. My condolences to the families and friends. RIP Sweet Rosemarie 🙏🕊️
God Bless Kim... What a BEAUTIFUL woman... My heart goes out to the family....... I was there that day.... It still affects me... People were in shock.... SO SAD!!!!!
Iam sorry, SHE was diagnosed, Was prescribed tablets! she didnt took her treatment, SO its her FAULT /RESPONSABLE, and THE the Mental health services who let her out unsupervised
I’m so enraged just like Vince Li on the greyhound!!! Worse in that all the passengers had to watch the aftermath and live with their nightmare yet the perpetrators in these crimes the ones whom SHOULD be punished Aren’t!!! In my opinion once their aware of their crime they need to be made aware of the consequences Fuckin shit
Just like The Brentwood Five, a cop's son declared NCR as well. It never ends.
@@lauriethomas179 scary thing it seems to only get worse
Schizophrenia develops in people in their early twenties. It is vaguely mentioned that she had some treatment prior to the crime. But not much is mentioned about that here. She herself says that her illness was not apparent to herself or others until she murdered Rosemarie. I am trying to figure out how it wasn't apparent that she was ill earlier in her life. Schizophrenia is very easily noticed. I couldn't believe when her lawyer called her 'disorganized', so disorganized that she bought a knife a dollarama. I found this so strange. Being disorganized while you are planning to stab someone, has nothing to do with anything. And is not an indication of Schizophrenia.
That is a terribly tragic story. Schizophrenia is the most horrific mental illness imaginable, so many taking their own lives to escape the hell in their minds. I have nothing but sympathy for this woman, and at first I was thinking that if it were me, I’d feel so bad, I would accept justice… but then, it’s cruel to imprison an innocent person, and she was truly innocent. As innocent as someone committing a crime while sleepwalking.
I hope the family of the victim can find it in their hearts to forgive, because if it was their sister who had been mentally ill and had done this thing, they would most definitely have supported her and fought for her freedom.
All the degrees she finished didn't help her mentally,still she should be in jail
She needs to be behind bars. If she is let out she will kill again
MURDER, MURDER, MURDER. NOT HARD TO CALL IT A MURDER!
I challenge you to look up some biographies of people with this type of mental illness. They do not do this intentionally. This is one of the saddest curses of life.
@@Only-interested-in-the-truth MURDER
I think mentally ill people should be forced to take their meds "BEFORE" they kill and not only after they killed someone.
Those of us who have mental illnesses are not a threat to society. We willingly take our medications and you can’t tell us from anyone else. It’s those who won’t take their medications and mix them with drugs that have a risk of violence. I live with a mental illness and I’ve never been in trouble.
Wow this is a amazing case and very sad
Sometimes they think they don’t need to continue to be taken there medications they think just taken there medication one or two times they assume they are better they don’t need to take there medication forever 😢
Their!!!!! Taking!!!!!
Sadly, because of their mental illness, taking meds consistently can be an issue.
@@brendamcdonall5798 You’re really pissed at Their !!!!! spelling mistakes huh ? 😂
Relax luv, this is social media, not a spelling bee….
You must be super fun to be around 🙃🫠🫥
@@brendamcdonall5798 they didn’t finish high school
This is ridiculous, she will kill again if she is let free wth is wrong with these people
Such an uneducated response.
Why was this " just out of camera view??"..cameras in public stores,should be able to capture ALL the places in the store!😡
This is so sad.
I remember this case. Very shocking
If this woman had known about her illness and was not taking her medication, that would be a whole different kettle of fish. She still had much to contribute while medicated and supervised.
This family have not received justice How do they know this woman won't kill again or stop taking her meds The system seems to favour the defendant rather than the victim
So, she has different degrees which means University...and she is able to get through it yet only is crazy when charged??
R.i.P 🙏
Unfortunately, There's no way this could have been prevented..
Its sad. If you're an adult, u cant be forced to get treatment for mental health issues.
Even if police deem you to be a threat to yourself or others, youre only locked in hospital for up to 72 hours. Extending that timeline is near impossible.
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of course it could have been prevented.
For those who are saying that she needs to be behind bars...clearly didn't pay attention to the documentary....smh To be considered criminally inadmissible is a worst sentence... because it can take decades before the person is considered not a threat to society
Did I miss something or did anyone else find it curious that no mention was made of her husband? I thought I’d heard that she was a newlywed, married only 4 months before the crime took place. Strange. So sad for the family.🙏
This happens too Many times here in the UK 💔
She should not be out .. mentally ill or not ..she murdered an innocent woman .
There is no justice for the victim if she is out of the institution or jail
Canadian justice sysytem is a joke and always will be
Yeah! She's on her meds, until she is unsupervised, then she decides.to NOT take her meds, & here we go again! I agree,.its not perfect, but its better than many other plans! Mental health care is not nearly as easy to access, as it should be in this country! Due to our HORRIBLE situ w healthcare right now, (2024) this is going to happen, way more often than it should! 🤷🏻♀️
As if health bureaucrats are going to monitor this woman correctly …..
With the advances of today’s technology, why is it that when police forces ask for help in identifying someone. They always have crappy images and they are always out of focus.
Soon as you are treated and well you should be well enough to go to jail
She was jealous of the other woman...I fail to believe it was mental health issues...Anyone can play crazy...She is after all a very intelligent person..
Jealous of what? They were both young, beautiful women. Maybe you are right, but I can't fathom what she was jealous over
Best show around ,this one covers some sad but seriously need to be reported to the country as is done here Especially since the ciry if Edmonton is horrible at lettung tbe cuty j ow whe horrible thi gs are happening I count on you guys ❤for tbe truth
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This is 1 hour I can't get back!
The real problem is that they let her going back in society and did not keep her. The first thing people with mental problems are going to do when they are out and unsupervised it's to stop their medication. Why you thing there is so much homeless people... A big part of them should be in mental facility but they let them go and they stop their medication. I talk a lot with social workers that work with homeless people and that is what they told me.
No justice.... so sad
So sad how do this person the same has Carla holmoka get to live again in our society😊
This killer must spend her entire life living with the judge who issued this sentence.
I also noticed that the killer was smart enough to be just off camera. That is pretty calculating. If t were my sister I would not care why she did it. She did it and should pay the price in jail not in a hospital. It is not fair to the victim or her family.
They better not let this maniac back out
Highly educated person. So overrated. My wife never completed grade nine due to girls / bullies would beat her up, accusing her of thinking too highly of herself. I went to school with her and, she didn't know how brilliant she was. She is a published author. If this woman had had some common sense, this wouldn't have happened. I know people 25th mental illness and nine have ever killed. This was just a lawyer doing his job. I'm sorry for her brother's loss.
My God she should not be given this chance. She will stop taking her meds and kill again. That is not on the family wh lost their daughter sister and wife.
Would the killer have gotten the same positive treatment - and release - if she was unattractive? Or can anyone see the same happen to a man who kills?
The insane walk amongst us….😳
It's mental illness and it has always existed. Unfortunately, many suffering from mental illness do not receive the treatment they desperately need.
Intentionally and criminally insane. I think she's faking it to get away with a planned out, premeditated and very intentional murder of a targeted innocent woman and now murder victim.
They are playing with fire .....The lady has a life long illness.... If she stops taking her meds ...someone else will die ....she needs close supervision probably for life ....
Sad because she was ill, not knowing what was wrong with her. Realistically she did murder someone. I believe that even though she os better, and went to trial, but was not given a sentence. She should be taking her meds needed for her mental health while spending a sentence for her crime, even if kesser, then parole and still following with her regime of her meds and seeing a professional for the rest of her life.
Just a tragedy ❤
The Junor family are a lovely looking family..im sure they miss Rosemarie very much😢❤
'disgusting, offensive. unjust, outrageous, and despicable. "justice system" my ass. canada is not what it used to be.
Greed!
Omg she got away with murder 😡🤬
She is a killer!
The Ontario Conservative Party Leaders should've been codefendents with how they decimated mental health services in Ontario.
Mike Harris, Doug Ford, etc. their defunding led to this.
There's no justice in Canada since Paul Bernardo.
Good grief, the spelling for the word you used is " their"
Are you for real such corruption
Wonder where she is now 🤔
I think there's a fine line between mental illness and depression...both cases, mental illness dosnt make one prone to kill someone..its just illogical ..bottom line a mental illness plea is BS in my view.
I think she fooled them all she waited 3 days after buying the knife and when she stabbed her she fled and hid com on that's not someon that doesn't know right from wrong I think shes liar a murderer she was failing in life and was angry and took it out on an innocent lady
It's weird that the suspect picked her out , they look like they from the same country both Indian descent. Trinidad and Guyana both are coolies. I feel like she had to no about her.
Nothing to smile about