“Where’s the Ferrari!?” - that’s a fair question. Hopefully anyone curious sees this comment. The plan was to hit the dyno this past Wednesday, but I ran into issues when pressure testing my new intercooler. I had a pinhole leak between the water and air sides… so it’s a bit of a setback. Next week, fingers crossed!
That and the model A looks like a dilapidated pile of sadness. But I look forward to any of your videos and I do read the little bits you put under your name in the intros
This kind of content is what makes your channel stand out. Not only do you bring us along on amazing builds, but you teach us how we can do it ourselves. Thank you!
I really love the look of squared off tires with more sidewall. It would really be a fitting look for the lines of that BMW plus it would be amazing to see you explaining the stylistic differences in sidewall and shoulder of stretched tires vs stiffened sidewalk tires.
Perhaps you forgot the name of this channel... Crazy negative camber, mexi-flush fitment and performance degrading level of stretch is what the "stance" scene is about...
I'm also a huge wheel fan. But i went ahead and convert my hobby to my job. So, now I'm a wheel designer & engineer. Thanks to the Stanceworks, you are one of the most important influensers for me in car culture. You helped me to understand what profession i want to choose. P.S. And special thanks to Sr. Mike Burroughs ;) He teached me a lot in my profession.
Always love a good informational video, especially a good standalone one like this I'm able to go back and reference down the line if needed. Thanks for putting it together Mike! And sorry to hear about your intercooler pinhole, but I know you'll get it back up and good to go in no time. Wouldn't be a build without some setbacks.
H&r front coilovers for e30 325i are a fantastic setup, I loved mine. Ground control (eibach/koni) setup, ran that setup as well. I think the linear/static rear spring setup really helped with keeping my rear tires from wearing out top fast.
Thank you for breaking it down on how to measure and build wheels! Every time someone tries to educate me on this, my Brian goes into overload and just sounds like failed dialup internet… this time not so bad but still confusing but math was never my strong suite but hey - not afraid to admit that haha
I love that you're going a little less aggressive. IMO there's nothing more satisfying than mocking up a fit, fully cycling the suspension without springs, and then ordering that wheel/tire and have it fit perfectly. When I measure for these things, I simplify a bit. I typically am running square tires, no stretch. So instead of worrying about wheel widths and dimensions etc, I simplify to tire and offset. I can plug a tire spec into a calculator and get overall width and diameter numbers. You can even mock this up with plywood or cardboard. My biggest W with this was fitting huge 295s (I think?) to a '71 Mach 1 Mustang on a Scwarz performance chassis (which I cannot recommend, turns out they built us this chassis without having actually built a 2nd gen mustang on one lol). Ended up with some whacky negative offsets, but I trusted the numbers, and yes that turned out to be the correct fit with some very expensive forgeline wheels (I had pitched GTR fitment TE37s lol).
Well Mike, you are 100% correct in calling them Rim halves. As the wheels is only a wheel, when tyre is mounted to the rim. So anyone that gives you slack for that is just a chop
The channel is getting better and better especially as you’re adding more cars to focus on. The 36, the UR-Q, the Fezza and now this e30 project. I’m loving it all❤️🇬🇧
Amazing ! Wheels fitment is a confusing thing to me. This video explains a lot and i'm sure i'll go back to it several times ! I would love to learn more about it in a future video.
I dislike BMW and Ferraris but this has become one of my favorite channels because of you. You explain things in a way that I don't feel stupid or like you think I'm 5 years old. Another of my favorites is m539 restoration with only BMW content 🤯
Great video! I've always had a hard time understanding the specifics of 3pc wheels, this helped a lot. A video explaining the different types of lips and etc.. would be awesome too
Camber is really the key to fitting wheels that don't really fit. I have 18x9.5" wheels all around on my E34, and the wheels are ET35 so I'm running a 30mm spacer in the front. Without camber, they poke out, but with -2º of camber, they tuck into the fenders quite nicely.
I used to work for Epsilon Wheel corp back in the 80s and your explanation of backspace, offset, bead to bead rim width, etc. were spot on and excellent! Your channel hits so many bases for me. Cool project content, tool tips, workshop techniques, welding tips and on and on. Keep up the great work!
rims or wheels ; loved your take on that. i find it such a silly thing the internet goes crazy over. this was an awesome video. getting wheel fitment is a pain in the ass sometimes. wheels are cheap so its good to know how to size them appropriately. keep up the good work mike cant wait to see the updates on the other cars!
i grew up on the east coast going to shows like h20i, waterfest, SOWO, dubs at the gap etc... car meets every wednesday night in a Krispy Kreme parking lot, and being around the wheel/stance game fostered by VWvortex. Ever since I moved to the west coast, I haven't seen any kind of culture like that. I think you might be the only person out here with a proper mentality on wheels. Finding that rare old set of wheels that might be the only set in the country, and building them to make them work... nobody out here seems to want to take the time. I lost count of how many times I took 18 hour road trips to buy or sell a set of 30 year old wheels. I was that kid in high school running around with wheels that cost twice as much as the car.... lol.
This would be a case where an fdm 3D printer would be nice. you could 3d print test spacers, caliper mounts, calipers, sections of wheels or entire wheels for fitment. There are some cheap printers that print from 400-500mm cubed . With a big nozzle and running klipper, you could get the prints reasonably quickly.
Very interesting video, good explanation of all these terms and measurements. I had a rough idea before, but I understand it better now. I like the choice you've made here, I think it'll be great. I'm not a big fan of the rubber band tire look.
Excellent choice with the rims. Also I thought you meant listen to that cnc machine going but once you pointed out the boiling blood of the rims vs wheel's purists. Then I could fully hear their blood boiling as they're yelling at the screens.
Useful information, thanks. Interested to see what size tyres you go with, I'm running some 9x16's with 215/40 on my Opel Manta, which has similar diameter wheels to an E30, but thinking of loosing the stretch for something a bit fatter....
Simplest way to get the right fitment is to measure how far in the current wheels sit (in millimeters) from the arches, front and rear. Then check their ET and width. If you stay at the same width, just take the measured number and reduce ET until you get zero. If you get wider wheels, add half of the wheel width in millimeters. Maybe back spacing is needed for race applications or crazy wide rims, but for anything normal, I see no reason to complicate the process. Usually even wider wheels with the reduced ET wont rub on the inside of the wheel well. If there is criticism, I'll happily take it as I am not 100% sure of this method, but I always scratch my head when people in TH-cam (and especially in the US) make it seem so damn hard. EDIT: Though this video stands out.
Awesome video as always!! I have been waiting for such a video for a while as I am building a sweet set of BBS RS's for my MK2 and I want to get it right the first time. Thanks for helping me out! Keep up the great content!
Based on my experience, if you like a wheel set you like to put one your car. Find a car that has been done with exact same model of your car. This is an easiest way of finding a right wheel set for your car. If you look up internet and find your dream wheel set, correct measurement will not come out what you expect. you should mount and and check verious points on your car to make sure that your choice was right or wrong.
This was awesome, thanks Mike for all the info. I will admit I know very little when it comes to building wheels but really want to try. I would love to know any tips on where to shop for faces. I look on marketplace and eBay but I'm not really sure if that where I will find my best results. Any suggestions would be appreciated or another video on it would be sick.
Mike, your text values for the back spacing and wheel center line are swapped in the measuring portion of the video. One half of width is 4.625" and back spacing is 5.625". Also, why not use the overall width of the rim, 10.25", instead of the stated width, 9.25", for your measurements. I've always found it easier to deal with those values especially when measuring and calculating. Besides, it doesn't matter what the stated width is. If there's not enough room for the actual width of the rim, you're going to have a bad time. Great video all the same and thank you for putting it together. I'm excited to see where you take this car. My preference is for a squared off tire not stretched. I'm sure it'll turn out great whatever direction you take. Good luck!
Exciting build!!!! I grew up calling wheels, rims until the internet made me feel like an idiot for it. So thank you for not giving a damn about the name! 😂 RIMS!!
@6:33, do you have to account for caliper floating movement? Like collapse the pins and piston all the way to make sure you're not hitting the centers?
Great episode, what’s your thoughts on inner half colors? Your rendering showed black and some of your physical ones were just raw. What’s your preference and is there any reason for certain color/finish?
When I asked to listen, I only heard a truck backing up. Your videos get me super motivated to build my cars, but then I work the rest of my 9-5, and I lose all motivation.
I'd spend a few dollars on a large digital caliper for ordering expensive custom wheel parts. Even an inexpensive caliper will provide far more accurate and precise measurements than a tape measure. Don't want to spend on a large caliper? Use some metal blocks of known dimensions and do a little addition to subtract the cost of a specialized tool. Are there no taller brake rotors available? More hat in the brake rotor pulls the rotor ring inwards permitting the use of those wheel centers without spacers. I suggest reviewing what brake options exist to make the wheels a more native fit.
Are you doing these fitment calculations assuming the fenders are rolled? I find when the wheels are flush to the fender they rub especially when turning at full lock.
easier way to get the wheel fitment, is to put a stock known backspacing wheel on, check for clearance to the inside, to get the inside barrel. Then add the amount you want from the stock wheel to the outside hat to get you overall rim with. That way the scrub radius stays the same. That will tell you wheel offset and backspacing. Try NOT to use wheel spacers. And I would not Stretch the side walls if you are going to performance drive the car. Check the Tire mfg. specs for the Proper wheel width.
Great segment! Thanks for sharing this breakdown on the correctly measuring the total width/halves/offset. I have a set of Work Brombachers that fit my car, but I would like a bit more outer lip. I am running Work Brombacher 18x8.5 +54 on 225/40/18 Michelin PSS & 18x10 +60 on 265/35/18 Michelin PSS ('95 Porsche 993 Narrow Body). I am also running spacers (7mmF & 5mmR) to fill the wheel well, but I have clearance on the brakes to run them without the spacers. Is it an option to swap the outer lips for a slightly deeper look (equal to the thickness of spacers) so I can not run the spacers? I am also assuming I may have to move to a slightly wider tire (235 F & 285 R) to reduce the "stretch" - Thanks
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“Where’s the Ferrari!?” - that’s a fair question. Hopefully anyone curious sees this comment.
The plan was to hit the dyno this past Wednesday, but I ran into issues when pressure testing my new intercooler. I had a pinhole leak between the water and air sides… so it’s a bit of a setback. Next week, fingers crossed!
Keep plugging away and ignore the haters. I dig your stuff every week. Can’t wait for the e36 interior video. Will be epic. Super excited.
That and the model A looks like a dilapidated pile of sadness. But I look forward to any of your videos and I do read the little bits you put under your name in the intros
This kind of content is what makes your channel stand out. Not only do you bring us along on amazing builds, but you teach us how we can do it ourselves. Thank you!
No 3 piece elitist gate keeping, just straight knowledge. Awesome content
I really love the look of squared off tires with more sidewall. It would really be a fitting look for the lines of that BMW plus it would be amazing to see you explaining the stylistic differences in sidewall and shoulder of stretched tires vs stiffened sidewalk tires.
I am with you. Was about to say about the same. I am just not a fan at all of a stretched tire.
Yes absolutely
@@willjam465 yeah the wheels on his buddy's car don't 'fit' either. If you have to run stretched tires, yeah the wheels don't fit.
Perhaps you forgot the name of this channel... Crazy negative camber, mexi-flush fitment and performance degrading level of stretch is what the "stance" scene is about...
@@mxrz stance works can do anything they want. Their content is amazing!!!! No shade here.
This is a solid episode. Dropped some knowledge.
I'm also a huge wheel fan. But i went ahead and convert my hobby to my job. So, now I'm a wheel designer & engineer. Thanks to the Stanceworks, you are one of the most important influensers for me in car culture. You helped me to understand what profession i want to choose.
P.S. And special thanks to Sr. Mike Burroughs ;) He teached me a lot in my profession.
For a channel called StanceWorks, I've wondered why this topic hadn't come up. Good job on building suspense. Well done Sir!
Always love a good informational video, especially a good standalone one like this I'm able to go back and reference down the line if needed. Thanks for putting it together Mike!
And sorry to hear about your intercooler pinhole, but I know you'll get it back up and good to go in no time. Wouldn't be a build without some setbacks.
An episode PACKED with wheel knowledge and nerdery. Very cool!
Thanks for this episode Mike. Cleared up some grey areas about wheels for me👍
Glad this kind of true hands on videos are actually out there, but you have to show the dangers out modifying rims. 😎
H&r front coilovers for e30 325i are a fantastic setup, I loved mine. Ground control (eibach/koni) setup, ran that setup as well. I think the linear/static rear spring setup really helped with keeping my rear tires from wearing out top fast.
Thank you for breaking it down on how to measure and build wheels! Every time someone tries to educate me on this, my Brian goes into overload and just sounds like failed dialup internet… this time not so bad but still confusing but math was never my strong suite but hey - not afraid to admit that haha
I love that you're going a little less aggressive. IMO there's nothing more satisfying than mocking up a fit, fully cycling the suspension without springs, and then ordering that wheel/tire and have it fit perfectly. When I measure for these things, I simplify a bit. I typically am running square tires, no stretch. So instead of worrying about wheel widths and dimensions etc, I simplify to tire and offset. I can plug a tire spec into a calculator and get overall width and diameter numbers. You can even mock this up with plywood or cardboard. My biggest W with this was fitting huge 295s (I think?) to a '71 Mach 1 Mustang on a Scwarz performance chassis (which I cannot recommend, turns out they built us this chassis without having actually built a 2nd gen mustang on one lol). Ended up with some whacky negative offsets, but I trusted the numbers, and yes that turned out to be the correct fit with some very expensive forgeline wheels (I had pitched GTR fitment TE37s lol).
The way you display fusion 360 and even present the models is really cool
Saved in my files and as always a thumbs up. This was the cleanest explanation of wheel fitment there ever has been. Thanks!
Well Mike, you are 100% correct in calling them Rim halves. As the wheels is only a wheel, when tyre is mounted to the rim. So anyone that gives you slack for that is just a chop
Love the E30 stuff.
I have one by my own, also in alpinweiß.
Can't wait to see more of yours.
Greatings from Germany
Michael
Definitely do a part 2 with a comparison. Us visual learners will appreciate seeing the original wheel setup and then the new arrangement 👌🏻
The channel is getting better and better especially as you’re adding more cars to focus on. The 36, the UR-Q, the Fezza and now this e30 project. I’m loving it all❤️🇬🇧
Amazing ! Wheels fitment is a confusing thing to me. This video explains a lot and i'm sure i'll go back to it several times ! I would love to learn more about it in a future video.
I dislike BMW and Ferraris but this has become one of my favorite channels because of you. You explain things in a way that I don't feel stupid or like you think I'm 5 years old. Another of my favorites is m539 restoration with only BMW content 🤯
Great video! I've always had a hard time understanding the specifics of 3pc wheels, this helped a lot. A video explaining the different types of lips and etc.. would be awesome too
If I remember correctly, Alpina recommends reworking the rear fenders on pre-facelifted cars when fitting their 16 inch wheels.
this was an incredibly helpful video for understanding fitment..ty
Camber is really the key to fitting wheels that don't really fit. I have 18x9.5" wheels all around on my E34, and the wheels are ET35 so I'm running a 30mm spacer in the front. Without camber, they poke out, but with -2º of camber, they tuck into the fenders quite nicely.
I used to work for Epsilon Wheel corp back in the 80s and your explanation of backspace, offset, bead to bead rim width, etc. were spot on and excellent! Your channel hits so many bases for me. Cool project content, tool tips, workshop techniques, welding tips and on and on. Keep up the great work!
These wheels are beautiful on this project! 👌
Always something to learn on this channel. The blood boiling remark was classic TH-cam comment section smackdown right there! Nicely done.
rims or wheels ; loved your take on that. i find it such a silly thing the internet goes crazy over. this was an awesome video. getting wheel fitment is a pain in the ass sometimes. wheels are cheap so its good to know how to size them appropriately. keep up the good work mike cant wait to see the updates on the other cars!
Great episode, very knowledgeable brother
Thanks for the best wheel size explanation I’ve seen!
That black E36 lurking in the background at 3:40 needs to be lowered
I am so happy that I already have found the perfect spec for my next project car :)
Already got the ET and with :)
Good with forums and pictures :)
Definitely a fan of a proper chunky tire.
If I may add, always make sure to measure your caliper to wheel clearance with new brake pads.. 😉👍
i grew up on the east coast going to shows like h20i, waterfest, SOWO, dubs at the gap etc... car meets every wednesday night in a Krispy Kreme parking lot, and being around the wheel/stance game fostered by VWvortex. Ever since I moved to the west coast, I haven't seen any kind of culture like that. I think you might be the only person out here with a proper mentality on wheels. Finding that rare old set of wheels that might be the only set in the country, and building them to make them work... nobody out here seems to want to take the time. I lost count of how many times I took 18 hour road trips to buy or sell a set of 30 year old wheels. I was that kid in high school running around with wheels that cost twice as much as the car.... lol.
This would be a case where an fdm 3D printer would be nice. you could 3d print test spacers, caliper mounts, calipers, sections of wheels or entire wheels for fitment. There are some cheap printers that print from 400-500mm cubed . With a big nozzle and running klipper, you could get the prints reasonably quickly.
Very interesting video, good explanation of all these terms and measurements. I had a rough idea before, but I understand it better now. I like the choice you've made here, I think it'll be great. I'm not a big fan of the rubber band tire look.
fitment is art
Those Alpinas are 👌🏻👌🏻
Those Alpina wheels are phenomenal!!
Great content, 💯 learned a lot in regards to fitment. This will definitely help a lot when ready to get mine done.
Excellent choice with the rims. Also I thought you meant listen to that cnc machine going but once you pointed out the boiling blood of the rims vs wheel's purists. Then I could fully hear their blood boiling as they're yelling at the screens.
Useful information, thanks.
Interested to see what size tyres you go with, I'm running some 9x16's with 215/40 on my Opel Manta, which has similar diameter wheels to an E30, but thinking of loosing the stretch for something a bit fatter....
Thanks for the explanation, as always a good informative video big fella, Rj in Oz
I see the caliper to back face clearance but I feel in my thoughts I'd give it a little more to compensate for pad wear and caliper movement
Very informative! Also nice to see the Model A, Mike you’re going to have to re-do your fuel system…again on that poor thing.
I love love love that M1.
Simplest way to get the right fitment is to measure how far in the current wheels sit (in millimeters) from the arches, front and rear. Then check their ET and width. If you stay at the same width, just take the measured number and reduce ET until you get zero. If you get wider wheels, add half of the wheel width in millimeters. Maybe back spacing is needed for race applications or crazy wide rims, but for anything normal, I see no reason to complicate the process. Usually even wider wheels with the reduced ET wont rub on the inside of the wheel well.
If there is criticism, I'll happily take it as I am not 100% sure of this method, but I always scratch my head when people in TH-cam (and especially in the US) make it seem so damn hard.
EDIT: Though this video stands out.
I really had no idea how to do this this is good 👍
I woulda narrowed the barrel a bit, cause I like the chonky boi tires that actually grip.
Awesome video as always!! I have been waiting for such a video for a while as I am building a sweet set of BBS RS's for my MK2 and I want to get it right the first time. Thanks for helping me out! Keep up the great content!
Based on my experience, if you like a wheel set you like to put one your car. Find a car that has been done with exact same model of your car. This is an easiest way of finding a right wheel set for your car. If you look up internet and find your dream wheel set, correct measurement will not come out what you expect. you should mount and and check verious points on your car to make sure that your choice was right or wrong.
Ierland Engineerings wilwood big brake kit should gain you about 1/2" of caliper clearance.
This was awesome, thanks Mike for all the info. I will admit I know very little when it comes to building wheels but really want to try. I would love to know any tips on where to shop for faces. I look on marketplace and eBay but I'm not really sure if that where I will find my best results. Any suggestions would be appreciated or another video on it would be sick.
Mike, your text values for the back spacing and wheel center line are swapped in the measuring portion of the video. One half of width is 4.625" and back spacing is 5.625".
Also, why not use the overall width of the rim, 10.25", instead of the stated width, 9.25", for your measurements. I've always found it easier to deal with those values especially when measuring and calculating. Besides, it doesn't matter what the stated width is. If there's not enough room for the actual width of the rim, you're going to have a bad time.
Great video all the same and thank you for putting it together. I'm excited to see where you take this car. My preference is for a squared off tire not stretched. I'm sure it'll turn out great whatever direction you take. Good luck!
Ohhhhh man. Those Aplinas are fucking great.
Love the content Mike, great work. But again no shots of Chloe!! Please include her in each episode.
Could you make a vid explaining deep, shallow, and standard convex wheels?
Exciting build!!!! I grew up calling wheels, rims until the internet made me feel like an idiot for it. So thank you for not giving a damn about the name! 😂 RIMS!!
Love a good rim build 😅
He does a fantastic rim job.
Bring back the OG plate frames please and thank you. ❤️
Súper cool staff !! Thanks you 🔝💯😍
Thanks Mike!
@6:33, do you have to account for caliper floating movement? Like collapse the pins and piston all the way to make sure you're not hitting the centers?
Awesome video, great explanation all around!
chunky tires all the way!
Great episode, what’s your thoughts on inner half colors? Your rendering showed black and some of your physical ones were just raw. What’s your preference and is there any reason for certain color/finish?
When I asked to listen, I only heard a truck backing up. Your videos get me super motivated to build my cars, but then I work the rest of my 9-5, and I lose all motivation.
Very instructive video, this has always interested me (and confused me). ;-)
Woooooot got here earlier than i usually do. Instructional video on custom suspension next?
Awesome explanations!
6:35 make sure to have new brake pads installed when measuring this!
Bolt em on and send it 🔥🔥🔥. (Only cuz they look so cool aggressive/wider) im sure if u really dial it in you can get away with it.
Keep the lip, flare the arch. Run the big tyres.
Two sets ... Street and track!!!
Looking for RC090 set for my e30 but want them to look like these for the price they want. Great vid
Cheers to Cory.
Excellent video. Feel free to reach out for anything wheel related.
I'd spend a few dollars on a large digital caliper for ordering expensive custom wheel parts. Even an inexpensive caliper will provide far more accurate and precise measurements than a tape measure. Don't want to spend on a large caliper? Use some metal blocks of known dimensions and do a little addition to subtract the cost of a specialized tool.
Are there no taller brake rotors available? More hat in the brake rotor pulls the rotor ring inwards permitting the use of those wheel centers without spacers. I suggest reviewing what brake options exist to make the wheels a more native fit.
First of all amazing video ! How about the reverse of this video where you teach how to look for the right offset wheel for a car
Are you doing these fitment calculations assuming the fenders are rolled? I find when the wheels are flush to the fender they rub especially when turning at full lock.
sick RIMS, daddy
One thing better than boxing a set of rims is having a nice car to put them on
That is a nice rim.
With the Beemer can't you use the 2.7 bottom end with the better breathing 2.5 head?
Great explanation! 👏🏽👏🏽
RI plates on Byron's car. It's been a while since I've seen those on a car.
Great content, thank you so much
I use the word "rim" to refer to the wheel without a tire, and the term "wheel" to refer to a rim with a tire. Keep using rim :)
Yet another great video! Those wheels are so good!
Discord gang!
easier way to get the wheel fitment, is to put a stock known backspacing wheel on, check for clearance to the inside, to get the inside barrel. Then add the amount you want from the stock wheel to the outside hat to get you overall rim with. That way the scrub radius stays the same. That will tell you wheel offset and backspacing. Try NOT to use wheel spacers. And I would not Stretch the side walls if you are going to performance drive the car. Check the Tire mfg. specs for the Proper wheel width.
My dream wheels - for my e21
Great segment! Thanks for sharing this breakdown on the correctly measuring the total width/halves/offset.
I have a set of Work Brombachers that fit my car, but I would like a bit more outer lip. I am running Work Brombacher 18x8.5 +54 on 225/40/18 Michelin PSS & 18x10 +60 on 265/35/18 Michelin PSS ('95 Porsche 993 Narrow Body). I am also running spacers (7mmF & 5mmR) to fill the wheel well, but I have clearance on the brakes to run them without the spacers. Is it an option to swap the outer lips for a slightly deeper look (equal to the thickness of spacers) so I can not run the spacers? I am also assuming I may have to move to a slightly wider tire (235 F & 285 R) to reduce the "stretch" - Thanks
Yes, you can absolutely do that. It might be hard to get lips that are only 5-7mm deeper though.
Knowledge gained
nerd stuff....
I LIKE IT!!!
Thanks!!!
Another great video!
I feel you need to do a build just to suit the Oni's... they cant go unused mang!
Consider dropping written definitions of terms as you use them, overlaying the video. Great content as always.