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Back in animation school, one of the teachers told me, "the future of animation is not in realism, but aesthetics." those words got stuck in my head since then
@@raindrainxi I’d argue that Twilight Princess wasn’t going for realism, but the style they went for didn’t hide the low polygons the same way wind Waker does. I think it still has a visual identity of its own outside of the more generic “realistic” games in the same era. I agree it looks dated compared to WW, but I think if the game was made just a little later it would look a lot less so.
Like games, movies that strive to look real with inevitably end up looking dated. But a movie/game that casts aside realism for a unique style will stand the tests of time and never look old.
Striving for realism doesn't just make it feel dated, it makes it feel samey After all, there's only one reality, so striving for realism is going for the same aesthetic than everyone else with the same goal
Spiderverse winning best animated feature is hands down one of the BEST things the Oscars has ever done. In a year where both a Pixar and Disney film was nominated, the fact that a freaking COMIC BOOK movie WON is phenomenal and made other studios take it seriously.
Another thing that is important to mention is that Spider-verse makes a concious effort to appeal to more of a teenager audience, while it's still apropiate for evrybody, it's not targeting children like Illumination or even some of Disney's recent releases. ATSV is getting the full blockbuster treatment in a way animated movies usually don't, and with Sony cooking up an R-rated release we might actually see the stigma of animation being only for children removed from the general audience.
Important point, it doesn’t try to be an Euphoria, it’s more in line with Superbad where the main characters feel like teens with their issues and comedy, i’m happy that someone gets what its like to be a teen and puts it in film
Yeah you can feel the Spider-verse influence in Bad guys, Puss in Boots, and Mitchell vs the Machines. I fully expect more animated films to explore stylized animation over realistic ones.
I wish Mitchell’s vs the Machines got the same love spiderverse did, it’s also a Lord & Miller produced Sony movie (before Netflix bought it) with a great story and characters but it didn’t even win the best animated oscar when it was easily the best animated movie last year and nobody cared just cos it wasn’t based on the most popular superhero
Amazing stuff like Spider-Verse, Arcane, The Mitchells and The Bad Guys have proven that you can do so many creative things with 3D animation, that some animation studios like Disney and Illumination (Although we might see this change with Disney’s Wish and Mario movie) haven’t explored that yet. I hope we get to see more experimental projects like Spider-Verse in the future.
@@xperson838 the 2014 Disney short "Feast" also blended 2D and 3D, and we might as well add "Get A Horse" as well, those shorts walked so Spider-Verse can jump off the side of a building and swing across New York City
It’s really different for Disney and Pixar. For starters, Pixar is experimenting not only with the incredible “realistic” effect with movies like Toy Story 4 and Soul, but also leaning into more a cartoony sensibility with Luca and Turning Red; then you have their upcoming Elemental, which appears to be more cartoony but is being depicted as a mature rom-com story. Meanwhile, Disney really just has had a groove since Tangled, and like any era of Disney Animation, it takes a real shakeup to do anything different. Maybe the failure of Strange World can facilitate that a la Black Cauldron, who knows.
wish is already confirmed to take a more id say 'puss in boots' oriented approach with how they described it at d23 (of course we won't know how much they go into it until the teaser comes out) and then when it comes to illumination... id give them another 5-7 years tbh.
I think the most important thing about this development is that studios don't try to copy spiderverse, but rather learn from it and also gain the freedom to be able to experiment with animation style. I don't want a world with hyper-realism clones or a world with spiderverse clones, but I am grateful that spiderverse told studios that audiences want to see a variety of styles.
If anything it's things like Spider Verse, Arcane, Paperman and any other stylized animation that's come out before that inspired more films/shows to represent the hand of the artist rather than the hand of the executive. I hope this continues and I hope this inspires more studios to back off and let the filmmakers and artists do their thing.
Thanks for mentioning the homogenization of Disney's character designs in its recent movies. One thing I thought from watching the Strange World ads on TV was "those designs do not fit with the scenery". I think it worked better on Raya and Frozen but yeah, I wish they've have more variety. Just to compare, there were more typical designs like in Beauty and the Beast and Hunchback to more stylish like Pocahontas and Atlantis. And Hercules had Gerald Scarfe (from Pink Floyd's The Wall) as main character designer. And those designs still slap.
It was a good idea for Disney to look outside the company when coming up with a distinct visual style for Hercules. Unfortunately last time I watched the film I thought that one of its problems was that Scarfe's character designs did not mesh well when placed directly alongside the more traditional Disney ones. Both Scarfe and Disney's styles work well on their own, but I don't think they worked well together.
it's like Disney forgot they dont have to follow the same formula that worked....you have the make different styles of animation or people will grow bored/tired of your work
As a die-hard 2D animation fan it brings me such joy that movies like Spiderverse push the boundaries and blur the line of 3D and 2D, and we are even still getting some incredible 2D movies! The Rise of the TMNT movie this year fucking killed me dead where I stood, it was so incredible and GORGEOUS. I never want 2D to die. There is something to it that almost no 3D movies can grasp. Spiderverse is the best of the ones that have attempted it but things like the Mitchell’s vs Machines, Bad Guys, Arcane… it’s exactly as you said. Trying to stick to realism can only take you so far, Disney. It’s when the animation lets loose with style that it really shines.
I have a newfound deep love for this movie for getting Spectacular Spider-Man to return. If he somehow gets some dialogue and gets to talk about events we didn’t get to see I’ll cry tears of joy
I feel like Pixar has been making an attempt to change things up recently. Luca and Turning Red definitely have distinct art styles. Even Disney seems to be trying something new with the upcoming Wish movie.
I agree that Spider-Verse and Arcane are definitely pushing the boundaries of animation. They are showing how animation can be a superior format to tell these fantastical stories by leaning into the strengths of the format.
It's not like Disney hasn't dipped their toes in this 2D/3D animated style. Paperman and Feast were and are my favorite animation they've made since then. It's baffling that they have the capability yet they don't realize it
They have some shorts on Disney+. I particularly like Burrow. They’ve had in-house 2D animators to get a more 2D look to they’re movements since Inside Out, but they haven’t really tried for a 2D look in how they render (outside of a few shots in Turning Red).
This is why animation is better than live action. There's more possibilities, more potential, and enjoyable for everyone. I don't care if I'm an adult and still am watching cartoons, they are hard work. Watching someone's drawings blows me away
It’s cool that Dreamworks thought to take some cues from Spider-Verse. I’m interested in seeing the Puss in Boots sequel due to its animation. It’d be nice to have a video game akin to Spider-Verse that influences other major game studios to do more stylized games rather than realistic. While unlikely, after Spider-Verse, I’d be down for Sony to collab with WB to do an animated adaptation of Superman vs The Amazing Spider-Man if only to see Superman and Spidey meet in the art style of Spider-Verse.
I disagree with the part about the gaming industry. There should be a place for Realistic Looking games. Movies don't even have to be animated to be realistic. For that reason I think it's more so a crime if an animated movie tries to be realistic because If you make the animation in your movie too realistic you might wonder why they didn't make it live action. Gaming doesn't have this luxury. You can't make a Live-Action game. Only one that tries to be as close as possible to looking live-action. And there are plenty of games with non-realistic art styles. Usually the games that have realistic art styles have them because the devs wanted them to.
@@toadstein that's a really good point, i never thought about it that way when playing a game that i thought was trying a bit too hard to look realistic
@@toadstein while I agree that there should be a place for realistic looking games there should be more room for games stylized art direction rather than hyperrealism being the automatic default either
It's many of the same artists in Spiderverse working for Puss in Boots :) Rather than DreamWorks taking cues and trying to imitate the spiderverse style, they're finally just trusting their art directors to have more stylistic freedom than before. Thanks to Spiderverse they realized that not everything has to look like Pixar or Disney made it to be successful.
I think Tron: Uprising deserves a lot of credit as well. The studio behind that show was mixing 2D with cgi even before Spiderverse. Also, I believe a bunch of the animation team for Spiderverse worked on Tron: Uprising too.
@@ch42965 Small world. Mixing 2D & 3D was semi-popular early 2000s if you look at Gorillaz or Cartoon Network City bumpers. Also, Alberto Mielgo was involved with Gorillaz too. There are many examples in the world of short films, music videos, commercials & TV. But features is where they've been afraid to take risks until Spiderverse's success
In the intro to 'The Animators Survival Kit' the author notes how animation is one of the oldest forms of art. Even in ancient Egypt artists experimented with animation. One of the quotes that stuck with me from that book was "animation can do what the camera can't" and I love that we are getting so much good animation in so many different styles lately.
Fun fact: if you go to the Wiki pages of most of these movies, in the production section Spider-Verse is always referenced as inspiration for the art style
And if it wasn't for Alberto Mielgo, the Original Art Director who then worked on projects for Love, Death & Robit, Spider-Man Into The Spider-Verse wouldn't have changed and inspired more industry to being creative.
Just as a heads up, I love this movie and so I've got a lot to say so strap in folks. When it came to Into the Spiderverse, I didn't watch it until 3 or so years after release and I only really gave it a try because my friends kept saying how good it was and holy shit do I regret not seeing it on the big screen. It instantly became my favourite Spuderman movie even beating out Spiderman 2 (yes I am a Raimi stan). I love everything about it, from the various artstyles to the animation to the messages and themes of the movie. You could just tell that this was pure, unfiltered passion by a group of people who love the character of Spiderman. I mean c'mon, that animation. The fact that in certain scenes Miles is animated on 2's compared to Peter who is animated on 1's to show that it feels more natural to Peter to web swing than it does Miles. This isn't just a visual thing, it's telling story and building character through the animation and through the visuals. It's funny how Browntable mentions 'oh it's focused on Miles, why not Peter?' because I feel like that's how Miles character is in the story itself (especially in the Miles Morales game). Miles is trying to move out of Peter's shadow and become his own Spiderman. Life imitating art ey. I could talk for days but I'll leave it here with this. Spiderman Into the Spiderverse is everything I love about Spiderman, the character of Spiderman and what Spiderman stands for. If you like Spiderman, you're almost guaranteed to love Spiderverse, nuff said.
If anything, I love this movie immensely simply because Miles is the Main Character here. That and it really fits. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the character of Spider-Man and what he's stood for. But as a Miles Morales fan for years, this movie trilogy (LET'S GOOOO) and Spider-Man: Miles Morales are literally dreams come true for me.
Speak on it!! I'm glad you made a video on the how Spider-verse is changing the animation landscape. The passion and knowledge comes across strong here since you're both a fan of the medium and an animator yourself 👏🏾👏🏾
The fact Lightyear pushed realism to the max to the point it became uncanny and expensive only to get beaten by a dinosaurs and a talking Cat in Boots.
I find it weird how compared to other characters, Buzz stuck out like a sore thumb (even though he is, like, the MAIN TITLE CHARACTER?). It just feels like the "Mr. Incredible Becomes Uncanny" meme but with Buzz instead. And it would be awesome if they didn't make it a Toy Story movie. Like you could replace Lightyear and Zurg with different characters...and nothing will change. It just seems to me that Disney/Pixar wanted to milk the Toy Story IP by just adding Buzz and Zurg into a movie that almosts looks like it has nothing to do with them.
Making 3d illustrations animations is pretty impressive glad this format is becoming more mainstream because of the spiderman movies, it is really nice to see
Experimental animated movies like these always have a gripping appeal to me as an artist to just check it out no matter what, and spiderverse’s huge change should be taken more seriously, and maybe it’ll show that animation is an art form that can be enjoyed no matter what age or interest.
I feel like while Spider Verse gets the love it deserves, movies and shows like KFP 3, Hotel Transylvania and TRON don’t get the love they deserve for pushing colors, aesthetics alongside overall animation to its limits, like you said Spider Verse is an amalgamation of that, i just wish these movies could’ve gotten some of that love
at 10:37 when you say “in a few years Disney’s gonna have to adapt” you’re actually right on the money because Walt Disney Animation Studios’s next film Wish (which is releasing in November 2023) is apparently gonna be combining hand-drawn animation with CG animation
and it honestly does feel like they are jumping on the spider verse bandwagon, which honestly is very exciting that this movie is to combined 2D and 3D
And also making sure to return to their roots with hand-drawn animation, including some commercials for a company that has clothing and accessories that'll cost you a kidney, and even the first animated short starring Oswald in over 90 years
@@GuineaPig361 Puss in Boots is CGI, albeit more pictorial (+ some 2D effects). Wish will be hybrid made with Disney Meander software, closer to Paperman etc. It will be in watercolor style, I doubt it will have animation on twos and if it will have 2D effect animation I think it will be in Disney style, while that of Spider-Verse and Puss in Boots was more influenced by Japanese animation. In short, I think they will be completely different.
Spiderverse is so good that I've only seen it once. It was so good that I refused to rewatch it until it fades in my mind a bit, so i can go back and appreciate it again for everything it does.
I love when shows and movies embrace a visual style. One of the things I love most about OddTaxi is the style of animation let's you see the world from the main characters perspective not what it actually is. Great video, you should be proud of this one.
i watched puss in boots 2 when it was first released in theatres and IMMEDIATELY noticed how much spider-verse influence there was - especially with the Wolf, and the opening sequence with the giant of Del Mar
I'm sorry......WHAT? I'm not insulting you or anything but have you seen the amount of people who praise this thing? 90% of the time when you ask someone if they like it, they will say yes.
Entergalactic is a great Netflix animation movie and needs more people talking about it. The animation style of Spider-verse caught the eye of everyone.
00:34 I *just* watched this trailer and it made me so happy. Animated movies are finally embracing the medium again. Looking animated/illustrates again.
I know with Pixar’s Luca they exaggerated a lot of things which made it different from some of the more recent Pixar projects. the director used frame techniques and effects from old school 1930s animation and described his process as trying to move away from the technical aspect as much as possible. The character animators were directed to have them move like stop motion figures. It felt like a good balance given the environments and lighting and ‘realism’ aspect were absolutely gorgeous while still having a strong stylistic flair to the movements and gesture
I think this movie planted the idea of a movie can be 3D but doesn't need to be 3rd dimensional. While working on a project I went through the movie on frames because I realized some of the comic panel frames would be amazing for wallpapers. I thought those frames look and feel like an artist drew them and then inserted them which creates the feeling of flipping through a comic but saw that the other frames have a similar feel of being doodled on and the way they blended in the smash effects were similar to how a child would read a comic and insert their "pows" and "wams". This meaning even though the film was in 3D it had a 2D layer on top of it where they could place the iconic comic popups and make the film more dynamic and stylized in a comic book format.
Disney is gonna change up too actually, there is a new movie “Wish” which will come out next year and while the trailer isn’t officially out yet, there are still leaks and it looks like it will have a water color illustration style and the buildings look like the buildings from 101 Dalmatians, so it will definitely be a visual treat.
Honestly, Across the Spider-Verse is my most hyped movie of 2023. Not just because I freak'n love Spider-Man or because I'm excited to see Mayday Parker finally on the big screen (which make no mistake, that's a good 50% of why I'm pumped), but as an animation fan. I love that Sony and DreamWorks are finally following this movie's example and making their animated movies feel more cartoony than ever. Now I just wish Disney would catch up, cuz it's hard seeing the house founded on animation not even try. For now though, HOLY CRAP AM I SO EXCTED FOR THIS MOVIE!! I can't wait to see all the different artstyles they implement, or how Miguel O'Hara's brash attitude will conflict with Miles, or how Miles's relationship with Gwen will develop, or how Peter B. will handle being a dad, or if Spectacular Spider-Man really makes a cameo like one poster suggested. Ugh, I NEED THIS MOVIE NOW!
I remember hearing in a video that said something to this effect Animation, like all other types of tv and film medium, is treated like an investment by the people who green lights these projects, they don’t want to spend money on a project only for it to flop financially. This means that before Spider-verse, these people would heavily encourage “make the film look realistic, realism sells”. Then Spider-verse comes along, these higher ups at Sony decided that “Spider-man sells, he’s popular in the MCU, he sells lots of merchandise, feel free to experiment”. So the crew behind Spider-verse did just that. And now, after seeing the success of Spider-verse, other companies are going “you know what? Maybe animated films don’t have to look realistic, copying Spider-verse’s animation style might even make animated films look more appealing to audiences”.
It's also very worth mentioning that one of the direct influences on Spider-verse from anime is Land of the Lustrous! Specifically the character staying in the same place in the frame on twos, while the background moves on ones.
Once again, Browntable delivers. Love to hear you talk about stuff like this, especially a topic that's always changing, in this case animation. Happy to know you appreciate Into The Spider-Verse for what it did for our animation culture! You're easily one of my favorite youtubers to listen to on topics like this, and love to hear your takes on movies, series, and general media. Keep it up! You make people's days better.
Just saw Puss in Boots 2 and it was gorgeous and very well written. It looks like a fairy tale book and the artists' concept art come to life. I see the obvious inspiration from Spiderverse, but it has its own take. Disney whored itself to 3d and one specific look that got bland real quick. I'm glad studios like Sony, Dreamworks and Fortiche (studio behind Leage of Legends' Arcane) are doing such creative work, bringing magic that only animation can inspire
Oh crap! I wasn't expecting to see my fanart here, it's been like 2 years since I drew that lmao. Thanks for including it (in a Spider-Verse video of all videos too).
Im just glad to live in the universe this masterpiece won the oscar and not the wreck it ralph sequel that NEVER came out...cus it doenst exists... Banger video like always,i hope this video reaches everyone...
i remember my family made me go see it in theaters and i was kinda meh about it going in cause i dont care about spiderman, but i really liked it mostly because the animation was so pretty
In an era where it feels like everything “back in the day” was better than what we have now, it’s refreshing to see a modern trend that’s legitimately great. Animation is finally evolving and becoming more lively, and I love it.
I’m glad Spider-Verse is inspiring other studios to follow suit. It’s criminal that it’s the lowest grossing Spidey movie by far JUST BECAUSE it’s animated.
Disney/Pixar style is perfectly fine, Spider-Verse and Arcane look great to. The lesson is to be creative and take advantage of everything that's possible, especially with computers and other modern technology. It's not that Spider-Verse Arcane etc are better or should be the standard, but they're important for breaking the mold of cg cartoon movies that followed Pixar's lead for 30 years
I was just talking about this after seeing Puss In Boots because I loved it's style so much haha. I very much noticed that trend and I am incredibly grateful Studios finally realized that there is so much more to do (because Creators were very much aware already haha)
You know, I've actually heard that Disney Animation IS starting to change, as apparently their next movie, Wish, the one celebrating the company's 100th anniversary, seems to be getting the Spider-Verse animation treatment as well!
If we're talking about other studios trying to 'replicate' its style in their movies, it so easily could've been a situation of them trying to knock off Spiderverse with little substance. But I've been pleasantly surprised so far to find that those movies have great substance of their own and not only feel like engaging dramedies, but beautifully creative movies as well that drove me in. For that reason, I'm absolutely here for Spiderverse's effect being legendary, because so far, it's done nothing but made animated movies better.
Wanna know a movie that would absolutely be a smash hit given the new animation hype and craze going on right now? I've got two words... TREASURE PLANET!!! If that movie was rereleased this year it would absolutely be a hit with it's blend of styles
@@rommix0 I didn't really say anything about either found being of the sci-fi movie style. The video we both watched was addressing the unique animation styles of into the spider-verse, which treasure planet shares a lot of in many ways. Strange world was he different story in that it flopped because it just wasn't that great of a story, it wasn't marketed well at all, and in this day and age when we're getting stuff like into the spider-verse, the animation style just felt very dated
@@rbtorelli1994 treasure planet wasn't exactly unique. Disney have been doing CGI since the 80s starting with Black Cauldron for 3D effects. Spider-Verse absolutely is due to its style.
After watching this movie for the first time, I knew it was special. My first impressions going in were "I'm gonna be so out of touch with this film or that it's just gonna appeal to a younger audience with unnecessary pop culture (thanks Emoji Movie)" or "Ok so this is the hero's story. I've heard it all before that I could literally write it on a napkin". But for some reason, the animation made this story somewhat both new and nostalgic. What I got was an amazing product created by a bunch of people who had a lot of fun with every frame and movement. My favorite part of the animation is specifically the expressions of the characters (so full of life and emotion). It made animation not a genre, it made animation a medium of telling a good story, as Brad Bird would say.
The sad thing is that Disney very well could have made a movie mixing 2D and 3D, after having made paperman. I wish i knew where to find it, but I remember them saying in an interview that a movie like that would take too long to make. Therefore they missed out on this innovative art style. It's pretty sad considering the studio's history with animation innovation
@@Maxi23543 I don't have anything against people who like *WISH* looks, or against the animators who probably worked their asses off to make that style but it still feels significantly leaning towards the 'safe' style they've been relying on, despite its portion of 2D qualities. Hell, sometimes it feels like all they did was just put an outline filter you'd see in video games, like they did the bare minimum to diversify.
I am so glad this movie is made. Not only was it just a good movie, but it set a standard for Western Animation. That the audience likes a more mature story with good visuals (it isn't rated R or anything, but it is a more mature film than anything Illumination dumps out), and those visuals make my inner artist feel things. Its thanks to Spiderverse that we get things like Bad Guys and the recent Puss in Boots movies, which take pages from the Spiderverse playbook, and prove even more that people like this. That it was good. I can't wait to see what the actual creative minds of Hollywood can come with given this knowledge, whether its Spiderverse 2 (which I don't remember when I was this excited to see a movie in theaters), or something we don't know about yet.
I am loving this shift toward unique stylization in animation these days, but I still really hope it hits video games sometime soon. So many games seem to think good graphics = realistic, which is so far from the truth. I want more games like Hades, Breath of the Wild, or Guilty Gear that have very distinct visual identities
If you like stylized animation in a really good show, then I highly recommend watching The Clone Wars. It might be a drag to get through the first couple seasons depending on your patience with this kind of thing, but believe me, it is SO worth it when you get to the end.
Hard agree, and I also highly recommend watching 2D animated Clone Wars. It's about the length of a movie and it's just amazing, coming from the guy who brought us Samurai Jack and later Primal.
Sony Pictures Animation is at the right crossroads for taking big swings in animation when it comes to Spider-Verse. Let this be a wake up call for other studios that any movie that they make will grow stale if they still keep themselves tied to a the same, old house-style of realistic 3D CGI that offers no challenge in stylistic innovation to a growing list of mediocre Western animated movies from previous years.
the Good Dinosaur is amazing, I love the realistic landscape there. It's a great contrast to the goofy characters and I think it helps to tell the sad story of the movie. But I totally agree with you, we really should be getting more crazy creative looks/worlds in animation
Spiderverse had such a big impact for the animation industry and i have never been thankful. i didn’t get to watch it when it first come out in theaters but when I did it reminded me why i love animation so much. i’m so glad companies are letting creators run wild with their works cause it shows how much passion they have for a project. i feel like if disney doesnt catch onto this their movies are gonna reach a new low and lose more of their animation department. especially when it comes to their tv shows and heavily regulating them ex. the owl house , amphibia cause the creators have already complained so much about working for disney.
First off I just wanna say you did an excellent job explaining the affects the latest Spider-Man animation had on the animation industry I believe that a lot of what we see an animation is grown stale and stagnant and that’s how I feel about AAA gaming studios nothing is really new and everybody’s trying to search for the sense of realism when it takes the uniqueness away from each story all I have to say is that you yourself earned a subscriber and I like for this video I will keep paying attention do your animation and other things! as a manga artist, im going to stay in touch!
yeah its becoming mainstream....I remember talking about anime in school as a Kid and not a single person understood what I was talking about. Now eveyone has keychains of demon slayer, t-shirts, clubs, everything
When I was a kid and watched the 2012 TMNT that was the first time I really saw 3D animation with a lot of 2D elements in it. Similar to how teen titans used anime elements so did TMNT 2012, except TMNT was 3D and kept the anime parts 2D. As a child that was mind blowing. You can imagine as an adult seeing that used more and more makes me extremely happy as that was the first time I felt the two worlds truly blend.
i dont think animated 3d movies have ever tried to replicate the real world, but there has been a change since spiderverse, i think a good example of this is The Bad Guys, it has a similar animation style, with lots of exaggeration in the movements another movie that has adopted this sort of style is Turning Red, which is obvious in the facial animations, the only 3D animated movie that i think truely tried to imitate the real world is probably Rango
i do not give a single shit about spider-man, but when i saw the trailer for the spider-verse i was SOLD on seeing it. both my friend (who also doesnt care about spider-man) and i saw it in theaters and we were nerding OUT about it as soon as we got out of the showing. i am REALLY happy it had this art direction bc if it didn't i probably would have never seen it, even if its story stayed the exact same.
Realism != Good Art Favreau's *Lion King* is a technical marvel, the technology that was developed for that movie was astounding, every hair on Simba's body individually has more polygons than 2B's ass, the characters rigs *precisely* model and follow the constraints of real-world zoological anatomy and yet... Moments after Mufasa dies, and Simba looks up and realizes that he's about to be trampled to death by wildebeest as they're stampeding into the gorge... The shot looks like a picture taken of a real world lion cub that's watching a bird flit around on tree branches dozens of feet away. It's like they were so scared to be called "an animation," that the characters don't have any _animation_ at all!
I am so so glad that animation is getting less hyper realistic and more stylized, I loved the style in puss in boots, it felt straight out of an illustrated book
Spider-verse is one of my favourite movies of all time!! This movie has set a new bar for future animation and I love the shift in the range, style, and experiments with animation taking place🤩❤ take 'Entergalactic' for example, five years ago I couldn't imagine a contemporary love story told in an animation format, let alone creating its own style and feel.
Imagine the amount of people this movie inspired to become animators. It’s got to be in the thousands, tens of thousands, maybe more than that. The future is now!!!
Absolutely 100% RIGHT, and I loving this so much, I watch a few days ago both Avatar the Way of Water and Puss in Boots the Last Wish and my god did both look beautiful....but as an animation fanatic, Puss was the one that I loved more visually (not a knock of Avatar, James Cameron you are a beast), Puss in Boots 2 might be the best looking Dreamworks movie of them all, including Badguys, I love this look.....and funny enough, you know how much these films COST..................compared with stuff like Lightyear or Strange World.....these 2 I just mention cost $226.4 million and $180 Millions.....while Spiderverse, Puss in Boots 2, Badguys and Mitchells vs the Machines, non of them cross the 100 Million cost all cost between 80, 90, 100 millions to make and sincerely they all looks BETTER than most Disney animated films in the last 5 years with 2 exceptions that also experimented a little....Lucca and Turning Red. I really think this style not only deliver better animated looking films with a ton more dynamic animation, but cost less to make than the ones that try to be extremely realistic.
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Back in animation school, one of the teachers told me, "the future of animation is not in realism, but aesthetics." those words got stuck in my head since then
Which is why animation in games like Wind Waker does not look as dated as Twilight Princess.
@@raindrainxi damn now that you mentioned it
@@raindrainxi I’d argue that Twilight Princess wasn’t going for realism, but the style they went for didn’t hide the low polygons the same way wind Waker does. I think it still has a visual identity of its own outside of the more generic “realistic” games in the same era. I agree it looks dated compared to WW, but I think if the game was made just a little later it would look a lot less so.
Like games, movies that strive to look real with inevitably end up looking dated. But a movie/game that casts aside realism for a unique style will stand the tests of time and never look old.
Striving for realism doesn't just make it feel dated, it makes it feel samey
After all, there's only one reality, so striving for realism is going for the same aesthetic than everyone else with the same goal
Spiderverse winning best animated feature is hands down one of the BEST things the Oscars has ever done. In a year where both a Pixar and Disney film was nominated, the fact that a freaking COMIC BOOK movie WON is phenomenal and made other studios take it seriously.
More like one of the few good things they've ever done
Big Hero 6 won in 2014 and it was based on a comic book
@@mk6rfc1 yes but that movie is not that good
@@muskaflowers it won the best animated Oscar for a reason that year
@@mk6rfc1 it's a good movie but toy story 4 also won an oscar so i can't trust the oscars
Another thing that is important to mention is that Spider-verse makes a concious effort to appeal to more of a teenager audience, while it's still apropiate for evrybody, it's not targeting children like Illumination or even some of Disney's recent releases. ATSV is getting the full blockbuster treatment in a way animated movies usually don't, and with Sony cooking up an R-rated release we might actually see the stigma of animation being only for children removed from the general audience.
aiming for children isn't the problem, you just have to not treat children stupid.
@@ProjektTaku I agree, but I also think that there should be more animated movies targeting different audiences
@@TheJJ65 yeah fair point. I just wish more 2d animation was produced.
I think super heroes movies are usually more appealing to the teens
Important point, it doesn’t try to be an Euphoria, it’s more in line with Superbad where the main characters feel like teens with their issues and comedy, i’m happy that someone gets what its like to be a teen and puts it in film
Yeah you can feel the Spider-verse influence in Bad guys, Puss in Boots, and Mitchell vs the Machines. I fully expect more animated films to explore stylized animation over realistic ones.
I wish Mitchell’s vs the Machines got the same love spiderverse did, it’s also a Lord & Miller produced Sony movie (before Netflix bought it) with a great story and characters but it didn’t even win the best animated oscar when it was easily the best animated movie last year and nobody cared just cos it wasn’t based on the most popular superhero
Puss in Boots is soo good especially Death
@@IRS17 yes it felt a lot darker and relatable....I was not expecting a puss and boots sequel to slap so hard
yes please bro
Though Bad Guys is more distinct and more influenced by other things.
Amazing stuff like Spider-Verse, Arcane, The Mitchells and The Bad Guys have proven that you can do so many creative things with 3D animation, that some animation studios like Disney and Illumination (Although we might see this change with Disney’s Wish and Mario movie) haven’t explored that yet. I hope we get to see more experimental projects like Spider-Verse in the future.
Klaus is also an experinental movie which has a unique spin to it.
Disney released "Paperman" in 2012. This is literally 2D animation that combines with 3D.
@@xperson838 the 2014 Disney short "Feast" also blended 2D and 3D, and we might as well add "Get A Horse" as well, those shorts walked so Spider-Verse can jump off the side of a building and swing across New York City
It’s really different for Disney and Pixar. For starters, Pixar is experimenting not only with the incredible “realistic” effect with movies like Toy Story 4 and Soul, but also leaning into more a cartoony sensibility with Luca and Turning Red; then you have their upcoming Elemental, which appears to be more cartoony but is being depicted as a mature rom-com story. Meanwhile, Disney really just has had a groove since Tangled, and like any era of Disney Animation, it takes a real shakeup to do anything different. Maybe the failure of Strange World can facilitate that a la Black Cauldron, who knows.
wish is already confirmed to take a more id say 'puss in boots' oriented approach with how they described it at d23 (of course we won't know how much they go into it until the teaser comes out) and then when it comes to illumination... id give them another 5-7 years tbh.
I think the most important thing about this development is that studios don't try to copy spiderverse, but rather learn from it and also gain the freedom to be able to experiment with animation style. I don't want a world with hyper-realism clones or a world with spiderverse clones, but I am grateful that spiderverse told studios that audiences want to see a variety of styles.
I agree, I am inspired but I’m eager to experiment and see what happens
I am new to animation and getting into 3d
As a wise man from Pixar said : animation isn’t a genre, it is a form of entertainment medium 👍
Yeah Brad Bird said that a lot because Hollywood just keeps not getting it.
If anything it's things like Spider Verse, Arcane, Paperman and any other stylized animation that's come out before that inspired more films/shows to represent the hand of the artist rather than the hand of the executive.
I hope this continues and I hope this inspires more studios to back off and let the filmmakers and artists do their thing.
Thanks for mentioning the homogenization of Disney's character designs in its recent movies. One thing I thought from watching the Strange World ads on TV was "those designs do not fit with the scenery". I think it worked better on Raya and Frozen but yeah, I wish they've have more variety.
Just to compare, there were more typical designs like in Beauty and the Beast and Hunchback to more stylish like Pocahontas and Atlantis. And Hercules had Gerald Scarfe (from Pink Floyd's The Wall) as main character designer. And those designs still slap.
hercules was beautiful.
It was a good idea for Disney to look outside the company when coming up with a distinct visual style for Hercules.
Unfortunately last time I watched the film I thought that one of its problems was that Scarfe's character designs did not mesh well when placed directly alongside the more traditional Disney ones. Both Scarfe and Disney's styles work well on their own, but I don't think they worked well together.
it's like Disney forgot they dont have to follow the same formula that worked....you have the make different styles of animation or people will grow bored/tired of your work
I'm so excited to see Peter B again. He's living proof people would love to see an older Spider-Man
Plus, Spinneret and Spiderling are also in the movie. I hope her husband is in there too. I cant wait to see my fav Spider-Family.
As a die-hard 2D animation fan it brings me such joy that movies like Spiderverse push the boundaries and blur the line of 3D and 2D, and we are even still getting some incredible 2D movies! The Rise of the TMNT movie this year fucking killed me dead where I stood, it was so incredible and GORGEOUS. I never want 2D to die. There is something to it that almost no 3D movies can grasp. Spiderverse is the best of the ones that have attempted it but things like the Mitchell’s vs Machines, Bad Guys, Arcane… it’s exactly as you said. Trying to stick to realism can only take you so far, Disney. It’s when the animation lets loose with style that it really shines.
Disney's Wish movie is supposed to be 3D with 2D watercolor and effects
I missed 2D so much. I’m glad to finally see animator’s pen and paper on the screen once again. ❤
I have a newfound deep love for this movie for getting Spectacular Spider-Man to return. If he somehow gets some dialogue and gets to talk about events we didn’t get to see I’ll cry tears of joy
doubt it but man what if he did
That was an amazing portrayal of Peter parker
If he just said “say my name and I magically appear” when he’s introduced I’d be a happy fan.
why are people so obsessed with him?
@@stacyfearlicia because the show is the best depiction of Peter in as a cartoon and also had a very well driven narrative
Even Luca and Turning Red are more stylized than we're used to from Pixar
I feel like Pixar has been making an attempt to change things up recently. Luca and Turning Red definitely have distinct art styles.
Even Disney seems to be trying something new with the upcoming Wish movie.
I agree that Spider-Verse and Arcane are definitely pushing the boundaries of animation. They are showing how animation can be a superior format to tell these fantastical stories by leaning into the strengths of the format.
It's not like Disney hasn't dipped their toes in this 2D/3D animated style. Paperman and Feast were and are my favorite animation they've made since then. It's baffling that they have the capability yet they don't realize it
They have some shorts on Disney+. I particularly like Burrow. They’ve had in-house 2D animators to get a more 2D look to they’re movements since Inside Out, but they haven’t really tried for a 2D look in how they render (outside of a few shots in Turning Red).
With shorts they can be more experimental, but not features as that would be too risky (probably what they were thinking)
They're gonna get into it this year! They've just been looking for the right style and tools. I think Puss in Boots 2 gave them the style they wanted.
theyre too worried about turning a profit and i get it but eventually ppl get tired of seeing the same shit which is why u gotta switch it up
This is why animation is better than live action. There's more possibilities, more potential, and enjoyable for everyone. I don't care if I'm an adult and still am watching cartoons, they are hard work. Watching someone's drawings blows me away
It’s cool that Dreamworks thought to take some cues from Spider-Verse. I’m interested in seeing the Puss in Boots sequel due to its animation. It’d be nice to have a video game akin to Spider-Verse that influences other major game studios to do more stylized games rather than realistic.
While unlikely, after Spider-Verse, I’d be down for Sony to collab with WB to do an animated adaptation of Superman vs The Amazing Spider-Man if only to see Superman and Spidey meet in the art style of Spider-Verse.
I disagree with the part about the gaming industry. There should be a place for Realistic Looking games. Movies don't even have to be animated to be realistic. For that reason I think it's more so a crime if an animated movie tries to be realistic because If you make the animation in your movie too realistic you might wonder why they didn't make it live action. Gaming doesn't have this luxury. You can't make a Live-Action game. Only one that tries to be as close as possible to looking live-action. And there are plenty of games with non-realistic art styles. Usually the games that have realistic art styles have them because the devs wanted them to.
Spider-verse was a movie, not a video game
@@toadstein that's a really good point, i never thought about it that way when playing a game that i thought was trying a bit too hard to look realistic
@@toadstein while I agree that there should be a place for realistic looking games there should be more room for games stylized art direction rather than hyperrealism being the automatic default either
It's many of the same artists in Spiderverse working for Puss in Boots :) Rather than DreamWorks taking cues and trying to imitate the spiderverse style, they're finally just trusting their art directors to have more stylistic freedom than before. Thanks to Spiderverse they realized that not everything has to look like Pixar or Disney made it to be successful.
I've been thinkin about this exact same thing for about a year. Into the Spider-verse is literally a historical movie, and that makes me so happy.
I think Tron: Uprising deserves a lot of credit as well. The studio behind that show was mixing 2D with cgi even before Spiderverse. Also, I believe a bunch of the animation team for Spiderverse worked on Tron: Uprising too.
@@ch42965 Small world. Mixing 2D & 3D was semi-popular early 2000s if you look at Gorillaz or Cartoon Network City bumpers.
Also, Alberto Mielgo was involved with Gorillaz too.
There are many examples in the world of short films, music videos, commercials & TV.
But features is where they've been afraid to take risks until Spiderverse's success
I feel like Spiderverse showed studios that they didn't need to be afraid to experiment
In the intro to 'The Animators Survival Kit' the author notes how animation is one of the oldest forms of art. Even in ancient Egypt artists experimented with animation. One of the quotes that stuck with me from that book was "animation can do what the camera can't" and I love that we are getting so much good animation in so many different styles lately.
9:35 great point, I definitely agree that 2d sequence in Kung Fu Panda was great
I feel like Klaus also deserves a mention, since it approaches the idea of mixing 2D and 3D from a completely different angle
Spider-Verse is a straight-up masterpiece
Fun fact: if you go to the Wiki pages of most of these movies, in the production section Spider-Verse is always referenced as inspiration for the art style
And if it wasn't for Alberto Mielgo, the Original Art Director who then worked on projects for Love, Death & Robit, Spider-Man Into The Spider-Verse wouldn't have changed and inspired more industry to being creative.
He really deserves his flowers immensely talented individual
Seriously, he doesn't get credited enough.
Just as a heads up, I love this movie and so I've got a lot to say so strap in folks.
When it came to Into the Spiderverse, I didn't watch it until 3 or so years after release and I only really gave it a try because my friends kept saying how good it was and holy shit do I regret not seeing it on the big screen.
It instantly became my favourite Spuderman movie even beating out Spiderman 2 (yes I am a Raimi stan). I love everything about it, from the various artstyles to the animation to the messages and themes of the movie. You could just tell that this was pure, unfiltered passion by a group of people who love the character of Spiderman.
I mean c'mon, that animation. The fact that in certain scenes Miles is animated on 2's compared to Peter who is animated on 1's to show that it feels more natural to Peter to web swing than it does Miles. This isn't just a visual thing, it's telling story and building character through the animation and through the visuals.
It's funny how Browntable mentions 'oh it's focused on Miles, why not Peter?' because I feel like that's how Miles character is in the story itself (especially in the Miles Morales game). Miles is trying to move out of Peter's shadow and become his own Spiderman. Life imitating art ey.
I could talk for days but I'll leave it here with this. Spiderman Into the Spiderverse is everything I love about Spiderman, the character of Spiderman and what Spiderman stands for. If you like Spiderman, you're almost guaranteed to love Spiderverse, nuff said.
If anything, I love this movie immensely simply because Miles is the Main Character here. That and it really fits. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the character of Spider-Man and what he's stood for. But as a Miles Morales fan for years, this movie trilogy (LET'S GOOOO) and Spider-Man: Miles Morales are literally dreams come true for me.
Speak on it!! I'm glad you made a video on the how Spider-verse is changing the animation landscape. The passion and knowledge comes across strong here since you're both a fan of the medium and an animator yourself 👏🏾👏🏾
The fact Lightyear pushed realism to the max to the point it became uncanny and expensive only to get beaten by a dinosaurs and a talking Cat in Boots.
It wasn’t uncanny, it was gorgeous. It was a great movie with a great plot.
I find it weird how compared to other characters, Buzz stuck out like a sore thumb (even though he is, like, the MAIN TITLE CHARACTER?). It just feels like the "Mr. Incredible Becomes Uncanny" meme but with Buzz instead.
And it would be awesome if they didn't make it a Toy Story movie. Like you could replace Lightyear and Zurg with different characters...and nothing will change. It just seems to me that Disney/Pixar wanted to milk the Toy Story IP by just adding Buzz and Zurg into a movie that almosts looks like it has nothing to do with them.
@@devofficialchannel buss is literally a space ranger, that’s the whole point of the movie.
@@theworm7156 shill
Spider verse is still the best Spider-Man movie, it’s way better then no way home
Couldn’t agree more. As much as i enjoyed NWH, Spider-Verse handled way better the concept of Multiverse. And the story was really good as well.
No way home was good but carried by its third act, while spider verse was good all the way through
Not difficult lmao no way home is mid
Making 3d illustrations animations is pretty impressive glad this format is becoming more mainstream because of the spiderman movies, it is really nice to see
Experimental animated movies like these always have a gripping appeal to me as an artist to just check it out no matter what, and spiderverse’s huge change should be taken more seriously, and maybe it’ll show that animation is an art form that can be enjoyed no matter what age or interest.
I feel like while Spider Verse gets the love it deserves, movies and shows like KFP 3, Hotel Transylvania and TRON don’t get the love they deserve for pushing colors, aesthetics alongside overall animation to its limits, like you said Spider Verse is an amalgamation of that, i just wish these movies could’ve gotten some of that love
at 10:37 when you say “in a few years Disney’s gonna have to adapt” you’re actually right on the money because Walt Disney Animation Studios’s next film Wish (which is releasing in November 2023) is apparently gonna be combining hand-drawn animation with CG animation
and it honestly does feel like they are jumping on the spider verse bandwagon, which honestly is very exciting that this movie is to combined 2D and 3D
And also making sure to return to their roots with hand-drawn animation, including some commercials for a company that has clothing and accessories that'll cost you a kidney, and even the first animated short starring Oswald in over 90 years
From the test footage shown in D23, it looks a lot like Puss in Boots 2.
@@GuineaPig361 Puss in Boots is CGI, albeit more pictorial (+ some 2D effects). Wish will be hybrid made with Disney Meander software, closer to Paperman etc. It will be in watercolor style, I doubt it will have animation on twos and if it will have 2D effect animation I think it will be in Disney style, while that of Spider-Verse and Puss in Boots was more influenced by Japanese animation. In short, I think they will be completely different.
And yet the movie still sucked lol (more in terms of songs and storyline)
Spiderverse is so good that I've only seen it once.
It was so good that I refused to rewatch it until it fades in my mind a bit, so i can go back and appreciate it again for everything it does.
This is so real 😂
I love when shows and movies embrace a visual style. One of the things I love most about OddTaxi is the style of animation let's you see the world from the main characters perspective not what it actually is. Great video, you should be proud of this one.
i watched puss in boots 2 when it was first released in theatres and IMMEDIATELY noticed how much spider-verse influence there was - especially with the Wolf, and the opening sequence with the giant of Del Mar
I love how Wish might be the first Disney movie in a while besides the soul world in Soul to try a more hybrid animation
Spider-Man into the spider verse is possibly one of the most underrated movies of all time
I'm sorry......WHAT? I'm not insulting you or anything but have you seen the amount of people who praise this thing? 90% of the time when you ask someone if they like it, they will say yes.
Are u srs 😭 do you know what underrated even means
Entergalactic is a great Netflix animation movie and needs more people talking about it.
The animation style of Spider-verse caught the eye of everyone.
00:34 I *just* watched this trailer and it made me so happy. Animated movies are finally embracing the medium again. Looking animated/illustrates again.
I know with Pixar’s Luca they exaggerated a lot of things which made it different from some of the more recent Pixar projects. the director used frame techniques and effects from old school 1930s animation and described his process as trying to move away from the technical aspect as much as possible. The character animators were directed to have them move like stop motion figures.
It felt like a good balance given the environments and lighting and ‘realism’ aspect were absolutely gorgeous while still having a strong stylistic flair to the movements and gesture
I think this movie planted the idea of a movie can be 3D but doesn't need to be 3rd dimensional. While working on a project I went through the movie on frames because I realized some of the comic panel frames would be amazing for wallpapers. I thought those frames look and feel like an artist drew them and then inserted them which creates the feeling of flipping through a comic but saw that the other frames have a similar feel of being doodled on and the way they blended in the smash effects were similar to how a child would read a comic and insert their "pows" and "wams". This meaning even though the film was in 3D it had a 2D layer on top of it where they could place the iconic comic popups and make the film more dynamic and stylized in a comic book format.
Puss in Boots 2 unironically slaps really hard
The fact that this was posted BEFORE the new spider verse movie that was like better in a way than the first one shows how amazing they both were.
Disney is gonna change up too actually, there is a new movie “Wish” which will come out next year and while the trailer isn’t officially out yet, there are still leaks and it looks like it will have a water color illustration style and the buildings look like the buildings from 101 Dalmatians, so it will definitely be a visual treat.
Honestly, Across the Spider-Verse is my most hyped movie of 2023. Not just because I freak'n love Spider-Man or because I'm excited to see Mayday Parker finally on the big screen (which make no mistake, that's a good 50% of why I'm pumped), but as an animation fan. I love that Sony and DreamWorks are finally following this movie's example and making their animated movies feel more cartoony than ever. Now I just wish Disney would catch up, cuz it's hard seeing the house founded on animation not even try. For now though, HOLY CRAP AM I SO EXCTED FOR THIS MOVIE!! I can't wait to see all the different artstyles they implement, or how Miguel O'Hara's brash attitude will conflict with Miles, or how Miles's relationship with Gwen will develop, or how Peter B. will handle being a dad, or if Spectacular Spider-Man really makes a cameo like one poster suggested. Ugh, I NEED THIS MOVIE NOW!
I remember hearing in a video that said something to this effect
Animation, like all other types of tv and film medium, is treated like an investment by the people who green lights these projects, they don’t want to spend money on a project only for it to flop financially.
This means that before Spider-verse, these people would heavily encourage “make the film look realistic, realism sells”.
Then Spider-verse comes along, these higher ups at Sony decided that “Spider-man sells, he’s popular in the MCU, he sells lots of merchandise, feel free to experiment”. So the crew behind Spider-verse did just that.
And now, after seeing the success of Spider-verse, other companies are going “you know what? Maybe animated films don’t have to look realistic, copying Spider-verse’s animation style might even make animated films look more appealing to audiences”.
It's also very worth mentioning that one of the direct influences on Spider-verse from anime is Land of the Lustrous! Specifically the character staying in the same place in the frame on twos, while the background moves on ones.
Once again, Browntable delivers. Love to hear you talk about stuff like this, especially a topic that's always changing, in this case animation. Happy to know you appreciate Into The Spider-Verse for what it did for our animation culture! You're easily one of my favorite youtubers to listen to on topics like this, and love to hear your takes on movies, series, and general media. Keep it up! You make people's days better.
Just saw Puss in Boots 2 and it was gorgeous and very well written. It looks like a fairy tale book and the artists' concept art come to life. I see the obvious inspiration from Spiderverse, but it has its own take. Disney whored itself to 3d and one specific look that got bland real quick. I'm glad studios like Sony, Dreamworks and Fortiche (studio behind Leage of Legends' Arcane) are doing such creative work, bringing magic that only animation can inspire
Oh crap! I wasn't expecting to see my fanart here, it's been like 2 years since I drew that lmao. Thanks for including it (in a Spider-Verse video of all videos too).
Im just glad to live in the universe this masterpiece won the oscar and not the wreck it ralph sequel that NEVER came out...cus it doenst exists...
Banger video like always,i hope this video reaches everyone...
Was it that bad? The Wreck it Ralph Sequel I mean.
@@windghost2 it really was that bad. It made me boycott Disney for a few years. The success of Spider-Verse didn't help with that either
i remember my family made me go see it in theaters and i was kinda meh about it going in cause i dont care about spiderman, but i really liked it mostly because the animation was so pretty
Same for me...I never was really into spiderman but I gave the movie a chance solely based on its incredible animation in the trailers
Absolutely phenomenal video!! I'm glad you touched on Puss in Boots: The Last WIsh and Entergalactic!
Who can forget the anime sequence in Kill Bill
In an era where it feels like everything “back in the day” was better than what we have now, it’s refreshing to see a modern trend that’s legitimately great. Animation is finally evolving and becoming more lively, and I love it.
this is gonna be the best movie ever made of all time
I’m glad Spider-Verse is inspiring other studios to follow suit. It’s criminal that it’s the lowest grossing Spidey movie by far JUST BECAUSE it’s animated.
Disney/Pixar style is perfectly fine, Spider-Verse and Arcane look great to. The lesson is to be creative and take advantage of everything that's possible, especially with computers and other modern technology. It's not that Spider-Verse Arcane etc are better or should be the standard, but they're important for breaking the mold of cg cartoon movies that followed Pixar's lead for 30 years
YES!!!
I just hope we get many more movies and shows with the same creative power as spiderverse and not just spiderverse clones (like entergalactic).
Alot of the animators from Entergalactic, had previously worked on Spiderverse. Pretty cool!
I was just talking about this after seeing Puss In Boots because I loved it's style so much haha. I very much noticed that trend and I am incredibly grateful Studios finally realized that there is so much more to do (because Creators were very much aware already haha)
Pootis engage and pootis engage extreme are both indie animations that have an amazing animation style. Those two hour ish long duology fucking rock.
You know, I've actually heard that Disney Animation IS starting to change, as apparently their next movie, Wish, the one celebrating the company's 100th anniversary, seems to be getting the Spider-Verse animation treatment as well!
And with a watercolor look to boot
I never was the type of guy to check for animation spider verse made me fall in love with animation and is my most anticipated movie of 2023
Let's goo a new Spider-Man video! Also hard agree on the thumbnail
Spider-Verse's success is good. Even NFS Unbound has implemented cartoony effects into their game, and so far, players seem to like them.
If we're talking about other studios trying to 'replicate' its style in their movies, it so easily could've been a situation of them trying to knock off Spiderverse with little substance.
But I've been pleasantly surprised so far to find that those movies have great substance of their own and not only feel like engaging dramedies, but beautifully creative movies as well that drove me in.
For that reason, I'm absolutely here for Spiderverse's effect being legendary, because so far, it's done nothing but made animated movies better.
Wanna know a movie that would absolutely be a smash hit given the new animation hype and craze going on right now? I've got two words... TREASURE PLANET!!! If that movie was rereleased this year it would absolutely be a hit with it's blend of styles
The most underappreciated film in my opinion
Nah. Strange World is also a Disney sc-fi movie and that bombed even worse than Treasure Planet did recently. Disney needs to stay away from sc-fi.
@@rommix0 I didn't really say anything about either found being of the sci-fi movie style. The video we both watched was addressing the unique animation styles of into the spider-verse, which treasure planet shares a lot of in many ways.
Strange world was he different story in that it flopped because it just wasn't that great of a story, it wasn't marketed well at all, and in this day and age when we're getting stuff like into the spider-verse, the animation style just felt very dated
@@rbtorelli1994 treasure planet wasn't exactly unique. Disney have been doing CGI since the 80s starting with Black Cauldron for 3D effects. Spider-Verse absolutely is due to its style.
After watching this movie for the first time, I knew it was special. My first impressions going in were "I'm gonna be so out of touch with this film or that it's just gonna appeal to a younger audience with unnecessary pop culture (thanks Emoji Movie)" or "Ok so this is the hero's story. I've heard it all before that I could literally write it on a napkin". But for some reason, the animation made this story somewhat both new and nostalgic. What I got was an amazing product created by a bunch of people who had a lot of fun with every frame and movement. My favorite part of the animation is specifically the expressions of the characters (so full of life and emotion). It made animation not a genre, it made animation a medium of telling a good story, as Brad Bird would say.
Absolutely agree 💪 I hope people one day realize it’s a medium fr
It had one the best screenplays I've ever seen: We had seven(?) Spiderpeople, and yet we lived Miles' journey. So impressive.
The sad thing is that Disney very well could have made a movie mixing 2D and 3D, after having made paperman. I wish i knew where to find it, but I remember them saying in an interview that a movie like that would take too long to make. Therefore they missed out on this innovative art style. It's pretty sad considering the studio's history with animation innovation
well looks like they are finally doing just that with their next movie wish.
@@Maxi23543 I don't have anything against people who like *WISH* looks, or against the animators who probably worked their asses off to make that style but it still feels significantly leaning towards the 'safe' style they've been relying on, despite its portion of 2D qualities. Hell, sometimes it feels like all they did was just put an outline filter you'd see in video games, like they did the bare minimum to diversify.
@@BestOneEver247 I posted that comment before the wish trailer came out and yes it does look pretty bad.
I am so glad this movie is made. Not only was it just a good movie, but it set a standard for Western Animation. That the audience likes a more mature story with good visuals (it isn't rated R or anything, but it is a more mature film than anything Illumination dumps out), and those visuals make my inner artist feel things. Its thanks to Spiderverse that we get things like Bad Guys and the recent Puss in Boots movies, which take pages from the Spiderverse playbook, and prove even more that people like this. That it was good.
I can't wait to see what the actual creative minds of Hollywood can come with given this knowledge, whether its Spiderverse 2 (which I don't remember when I was this excited to see a movie in theaters), or something we don't know about yet.
I am loving this shift toward unique stylization in animation these days, but I still really hope it hits video games sometime soon. So many games seem to think good graphics = realistic, which is so far from the truth. I want more games like Hades, Breath of the Wild, or Guilty Gear that have very distinct visual identities
so excited for BOTW 2 it looks so stylized...I would also recommend stray because its style seems to be more reminiscent of a blend between 2D and 3D
finally somebody's acknowledging entergalactic, that's masterpiece is so underrated!
4:38 I LITERALLY GASPED WHEN YOU SAID THAT IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ANIMATED MOVIES I EVER WATCHED AND IT WAS MY FAVOURITE MOVIE AS A KID
If you like stylized animation in a really good show, then I highly recommend watching The Clone Wars. It might be a drag to get through the first couple seasons depending on your patience with this kind of thing, but believe me, it is SO worth it when you get to the end.
Hard agree, and I also highly recommend watching 2D animated Clone Wars. It's about the length of a movie and it's just amazing, coming from the guy who brought us Samurai Jack and later Primal.
Sony Pictures Animation is at the right crossroads for taking big swings in animation when it comes to Spider-Verse. Let this be a wake up call for other studios that any movie that they make will grow stale if they still keep themselves tied to a the same, old house-style of realistic 3D CGI that offers no challenge in stylistic innovation to a growing list of mediocre Western animated movies from previous years.
the Good Dinosaur is amazing, I love the realistic landscape there. It's a great contrast to the goofy characters and I think it helps to tell the sad story of the movie. But I totally agree with you, we really should be getting more crazy creative looks/worlds in animation
Puss in boots 2 is a prime example it's so good
Spiderverse had such a big impact for the animation industry and i have never been thankful. i didn’t get to watch it when it first come out in theaters but when I did it reminded me why i love animation so much. i’m so glad companies are letting creators run wild with their works cause it shows how much passion they have for a project. i feel like if disney doesnt catch onto this their movies are gonna reach a new low and lose more of their animation department. especially when it comes to their tv shows and heavily regulating them ex. the owl house , amphibia cause the creators have already complained so much about working for disney.
First off I just wanna say you did an excellent job explaining the affects the latest Spider-Man animation had on the animation industry I believe that a lot of what we see an animation is grown stale and stagnant and that’s how I feel about AAA gaming studios nothing is really new and everybody’s trying to search for the sense of realism when it takes the uniqueness away from each story all I have to say is that you yourself earned a subscriber and I like for this video I will keep paying attention do your animation and other things! as a manga artist, im going to stay in touch!
Anime use to be such a small thing in the 90s but amazing. So crazy that my 15 year old nephews watch more anime then I did. So cool actually
yeah its becoming mainstream....I remember talking about anime in school as a Kid and not a single person understood what I was talking about. Now eveyone has keychains of demon slayer, t-shirts, clubs, everything
When I was a kid and watched the 2012 TMNT that was the first time I really saw 3D animation with a lot of 2D elements in it. Similar to how teen titans used anime elements so did TMNT 2012, except TMNT was 3D and kept the anime parts 2D. As a child that was mind blowing. You can imagine as an adult seeing that used more and more makes me extremely happy as that was the first time I felt the two worlds truly blend.
i dont think animated 3d movies have ever tried to replicate the real world, but there has been a change since spiderverse, i think a good example of this is The Bad Guys, it has a similar animation style, with lots of exaggeration in the movements another movie that has adopted this sort of style is Turning Red, which is obvious in the facial animations, the only 3D animated movie that i think truely tried to imitate the real world is probably Rango
i do not give a single shit about spider-man, but when i saw the trailer for the spider-verse i was SOLD on seeing it. both my friend (who also doesnt care about spider-man) and i saw it in theaters and we were nerding OUT about it as soon as we got out of the showing. i am REALLY happy it had this art direction bc if it didn't i probably would have never seen it, even if its story stayed the exact same.
Realism != Good Art
Favreau's *Lion King* is a technical marvel, the technology that was developed for that movie was astounding, every hair on Simba's body individually has more polygons than 2B's ass, the characters rigs *precisely* model and follow the constraints of real-world zoological anatomy and yet...
Moments after Mufasa dies, and Simba looks up and realizes that he's about to be trampled to death by wildebeest as they're stampeding into the gorge... The shot looks like a picture taken of a real world lion cub that's watching a bird flit around on tree branches dozens of feet away.
It's like they were so scared to be called "an animation," that the characters don't have any _animation_ at all!
Spiderverse is my favourite animated movie and most rewatchable movie for me along with the incredibles
I am so so glad that animation is getting less hyper realistic and more stylized, I loved the style in puss in boots, it felt straight out of an illustrated book
Entergalactic was so dope I just watched it last week and you can't deny it has a style to it, not just the animated one
I literally just submitted my prompt to write this as my grade essay two days ago wth
I don't think Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie is talked about enough in terms of visual style and animation.
Spider-verse is one of my favourite movies of all time!! This movie has set a new bar for future animation and I love the shift in the range, style, and experiments with animation taking place🤩❤ take 'Entergalactic' for example, five years ago I couldn't imagine a contemporary love story told in an animation format, let alone creating its own style and feel.
This was one of the best movies I have seen in theaters in recent years 😊
i knew spiderverse would be great BECAUSE of the style. even if it turned out terrible, i'd still have watched it for the style alone
Imagine the amount of people this movie inspired to become animators. It’s got to be in the thousands, tens of thousands, maybe more than that. The future is now!!!
I loved the first I can’t wait for this new one
Absolutely 100% RIGHT, and I loving this so much, I watch a few days ago both Avatar the Way of Water and Puss in Boots the Last Wish and my god did both look beautiful....but as an animation fanatic, Puss was the one that I loved more visually (not a knock of Avatar, James Cameron you are a beast), Puss in Boots 2 might be the best looking Dreamworks movie of them all, including Badguys, I love this look.....and funny enough, you know how much these films COST..................compared with stuff like Lightyear or Strange World.....these 2 I just mention cost $226.4 million and $180 Millions.....while Spiderverse, Puss in Boots 2, Badguys and Mitchells vs the Machines, non of them cross the 100 Million cost all cost between 80, 90, 100 millions to make and sincerely they all looks BETTER than most Disney animated films in the last 5 years with 2 exceptions that also experimented a little....Lucca and Turning Red. I really think this style not only deliver better animated looking films with a ton more dynamic animation, but cost less to make than the ones that try to be extremely realistic.