Hey Adam, great video as always. I have a 2012 AWD APR Stage 3 Beetle. I have a suggestion for you. I put my nozzles in the discharge pipe of the intercooler. There is a very noticeable difference when spraying, even in cool weather. It gives more space and time to vaporize, and it allows me to run more boost. It would also allow you to use the spacer port for your boost gauge. Just my experience. Rich
We already have plans on testing it as is to see what we see and then if we don't see what we want, we will be moving the nozzle. Thanks for the suggestion though.
i did the same its because on ur beetle is probably like my 1.4 tsi scirocco the IAT comes after the discharge pipe of the IC the IAT of course sees the cooler air and of course inputs more power i definetly got just with the water meth kit at my stage 2 scirocco about 25 -35 hp
@@DaFeLaTV Certainly worked for me, I can tell a significant difference between on and off. Also allows me to add in another 5lbs of boost without detonation on 93 octane fuel. But don't try that without data logging it to find your best settings for weather, fuel quality and such.
@@VancityAudi warranty on my RS3 is up soon. Thinking of going with Forge black intercooler. It replaces the silver crash bar with a black one. So no more grayish crash bar cover behind the grill.
@@VancityAudi if Unitronic ever has their black intercooler back in stock, I considered going with that and powder coating the stock crash bar black. Ya, basically what you did on the S4
if its for cooling the intake charge, you should be installing the nozzle right at the intercooler outlet and not after the throttle body, and also do a 70/30 meth to water blend.
you are right, but where you are shooting it, it doesn't have time to cool the intake charge properly and its soaking your map sensor giving false reading on AIT, just trying to help brother, Also you are sending water and meth unequally in cylinders because of where its being sprayed. @@VancityAudi
@NimaSomeh luckily we never used it then, lol. I've seen multiple people run their WMI setups successfully this way. That's why we did it. With that said, we've already changed it with the motor needing to be fixed anyways and having everything a part.
Yeah it's nice you don't have an extra reservoir in the trunk as you said but I mean there are times you need that windshield washer fluid like in the winter for instance and even in the summer when the sun shines on the window and you cant see shit because it's just so dirty from all the bugs. I have WMI on my 8p aswell and me having a different headunit from alpina and working with an aftermarket sub in a box I was able to remove the factory bose amp and sub thats behind the left panel in the trunk. That sub with the casing is pretty big and leaves you a lot of room to put a tank in there. You do need to modify the panel tho because it's screwed to be able to acces the little tank to fill it up but we did and this way the tank isnt viseable either and you get to keep the windshield washer fluid.
Windshield washer fluid is extremely similar in properties compared to my water/meth Boost Juice. I can still wash my windshield with that fluid just like I did before.
Teflon sealing onto threads isn’t compatible with methanol mixture as said in the instructions. You have to use the little silicone tube that’s provided in every kit.
cheers man thanks for another banger! super excited to throw a meth kit on my S3! is there a reason why you used it as a fuel rather than IAT cooling on the S3? im hybrid turbo on E85 but in the california summer the DA and temps are absolutely horrendous lol
Back in 2017 when I was racing my S3 there was no tuning solution for E85. I used a 104 octane map which was a blend of our 94 octane pump gas and a bunch of water/meth.
what do you think about running a small amount of meth on my b9.5s4 just to keep valves clean? i wont need a custom tune? i can keep ie stage 1 or 2? thanks for all the vids. iv watched them all 3 and 4 times😂
What you're suggesting should technically work, but to this day, I haven't heard of a single person having issues because their valves are dirty. If that is ever the case, a valve cleaning would suffice.
Hey man! Sick RS3! Quick question for you I have the same kit but do you know how to turn the system off completely? If I run out of boost juice I do not want the pump just going without fluid ya know. Thanks!
My car is in the shop as I type, and my Snow Performance stage 1 is being installed alongside some other good stuff. I, like you, am also using the windshield washer reservoir and had wondered about the pump placement you had chosen. The install guide says to keep the pump below the reservoir level but in your installation you placed it next to the brake reservoir. "Hypothetically" it is still sitting lower than the windshield washer reservoir top up location. A more enthusiastic review indicates that the pump is parallel to the reservoir in placement. Was there any issues with the spray? I've got a HPA K04 EA888.2 Audi TT Mk 2.
We've never sprayed yet. I'm still waiting on a finalized tune for my car before we start dialing that in. If you compared where the pump sits vs where the tank sits in the fender it is still lower than the tank.
@@VancityAudi Yes hypothetically you are correct, even though it's parallel, the pump is sitting a few inches lower then the tank. My only concerns were the lines from the tank to the pump, since the pump isn't that great at priming. I was hoping you had purged the system and tried out that placement. I've asked the shop to mimic the placement in my engine bay. My Racingline intake leaves little room, but I'm hoping they find a proper solution. I'm surprised you didn't go stage 1, since you only really need WMI it at WOT there's not a lot of progressive tuning that can be done with the stage 3 in the 10 seconds your on the tarmac. I'll send you my setup and results to your insta later this week and let you know if that pump setup works. My car is more road course/lap oriented so the approach to WMI use is different yet similar. Looking forward to more of your content. Best
@@atlasdelmar we have zero doubts that it won't work. The good thing is though that IF it doesn't, we have done the leg work for others to show them that particular setup won't work for this application and we'll change it up until it does. Secondly, we are only using it for cooling so the concern that it is not working as well as it should isn't as concerning. If it isn't working as we hoped we can easily change it, where as if we were relying on it for octane and it doesn't work, my engine may go boom, haha. Lastly, we only need it for just over 9 seconds, not 10 🤣. I should also mention that I'd rather go Stage 2 where we have some flexibility for future development rather than just stage 1 and not have anywhere to go if we need to down the road.
@@VancityAudi fair enough, the ability to change up on the fly is ideal. With Stage 1 your just a nozzle change away from more or less WM, albeit, being a manual change vs your digital input from the cabin, I understand your logic. Looking forward to more of your content and some 8's . Best
I have a 2012 Audi S5 4.2. I'm looking into running water/meth injection mainly to help with carbon build up. Since my car is N/A will it work or recommended? Thanks
If you're spraying close enough to the throttle body I'd imagine that would help clean your valves, yes. I've never heard of someone using WMI to simply help with carbon build up though.
I've been told the same thing repeatedly. I don't like doing things or not doing things because others have told me to do them. I've proven so many people wrong already by doing what we want to do that I figured we'd try this too.
@@biglipps66 which is why we'll be testing repeatedly on the dyno and on the back roads to make sure everything is as sorted as possible before we hit the track in hopes of gaining better performance.
I am manifesting a rs3 in my driveway in 2 3 years
Same 😂
Hey Adam, great video as always. I have a 2012 AWD APR Stage 3 Beetle. I have a suggestion for you. I put my nozzles in the discharge pipe of the intercooler. There is a very noticeable difference when spraying, even in cool weather. It gives more space and time to vaporize, and it allows me to run more boost. It would also allow you to use the spacer port for your boost gauge. Just my experience. Rich
We already have plans on testing it as is to see what we see and then if we don't see what we want, we will be moving the nozzle. Thanks for the suggestion though.
@@VancityAudi Very good. Also check out AEM's V3 nozzles for better atomization. Good luck, I'll be watching for results.
Extremely great input
i did the same its because on ur beetle is probably like my 1.4 tsi scirocco the IAT comes after the discharge pipe of the IC the IAT of course sees the cooler air and of course inputs more power i definetly got just with the water meth kit at my stage 2 scirocco about 25 -35 hp
@@DaFeLaTV Certainly worked for me, I can tell a significant difference between on and off. Also allows me to add in another 5lbs of boost without detonation on 93 octane fuel. But don't try that without data logging it to find your best settings for weather, fuel quality and such.
WOW Kyle knows what he's doin
That he does
Cool.. I missed the RS3 videos!!
And I missed making them!
I could see using this on a "sleeper" RS3 instead of a big flashy intercooler. I like it was integrated in with the washer reservoir.
Lucky my intercooler is hidden behind my black grill so it kind of looks like a sleeper, lol
@@VancityAudi warranty on my RS3 is up soon. Thinking of going with Forge black intercooler. It replaces the silver crash bar with a black one. So no more grayish crash bar cover behind the grill.
@@scottc78 or just cut and paint the OEM one like we did?
@@VancityAudi if Unitronic ever has their black intercooler back in stock, I considered going with that and powder coating the stock crash bar black. Ya, basically what you did on the S4
Happy to see this on the RS3! I’m planning to go with W/M on my B9 SQ5 as I did with my B8.5 S4. I hope you also test W/M on the S4 for lower IATS 😄
Most likely we won't, but ya never know.
Keep it coming brother! ❤
I didn't know Yankee Marshall was also into fast cars. Nice.
Had to look this one up to understand the comparison, lol
if its for cooling the intake charge, you should be installing the nozzle right at the intercooler outlet and not after the throttle body, and also do a 70/30 meth to water blend.
Hate to break it to you, but there's not just one way to run WMI on your car.
you are right, but where you are shooting it, it doesn't have time to cool the intake charge properly and its soaking your map sensor giving false reading on AIT,
just trying to help brother, Also you are sending water and meth unequally in cylinders because of where its being sprayed. @@VancityAudi
@NimaSomeh luckily we never used it then, lol. I've seen multiple people run their WMI setups successfully this way. That's why we did it. With that said, we've already changed it with the motor needing to be fixed anyways and having everything a part.
Yeah it's nice you don't have an extra reservoir in the trunk as you said but I mean there are times you need that windshield washer fluid like in the winter for instance and even in the summer when the sun shines on the window and you cant see shit because it's just so dirty from all the bugs. I have WMI on my 8p aswell and me having a different headunit from alpina and working with an aftermarket sub in a box I was able to remove the factory bose amp and sub thats behind the left panel in the trunk. That sub with the casing is pretty big and leaves you a lot of room to put a tank in there. You do need to modify the panel tho because it's screwed to be able to acces the little tank to fill it up but we did and this way the tank isnt viseable either and you get to keep the windshield washer fluid.
Windshield washer fluid is extremely similar in properties compared to my water/meth Boost Juice. I can still wash my windshield with that fluid just like I did before.
@@VancityAudi myeah ok but thats kinda pricy tho isnt it and that way it's gonna be empty pretty quick but ok thx for replying.
@@swansmeister I don't daily drive this car. It's a race car. I have no intention of ever using the reservoir to clean my windshield anymore.
@@VancityAudi Ok, understood, how much power is it running?
@@swansmeister last year, 750whp. This year we're shooting for 820whp
Teflon sealing onto threads isn’t compatible with methanol mixture as said in the instructions. You have to use the little silicone tube that’s provided in every kit.
Correct Snow Performance says to use E6000 sealant for the threads , Also the pump is supposed to be lower than the tank
cheers man thanks for another banger! super excited to throw a meth kit on my S3! is there a reason why you used it as a fuel rather than IAT cooling on the S3? im hybrid turbo on E85 but in the california summer the DA and temps are absolutely horrendous lol
Back in 2017 when I was racing my S3 there was no tuning solution for E85. I used a 104 octane map which was a blend of our 94 octane pump gas and a bunch of water/meth.
If I understood you correctly, unitronic is making a file for water/meth? Would that be for stages 2 and 3?
You misunderstood. There will be no tune made to utilize water/meth any further than simply using it for cooling.
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what do you think about running a small amount of meth on my b9.5s4 just to keep valves clean? i wont need a custom tune? i can keep ie stage 1 or 2? thanks for all the vids. iv watched them all 3 and 4 times😂
What you're suggesting should technically work, but to this day, I haven't heard of a single person having issues because their valves are dirty. If that is ever the case, a valve cleaning would suffice.
Hey man! Sick RS3! Quick question for you I have the same kit but do you know how to turn the system off completely? If I run out of boost juice I do not want the pump just going without fluid ya know. Thanks!
Thank you. Unplug the controller and nothing will work.
@@VancityAudi Pretty straight forward lol I just didnt know if you could turn it off though the little screen or not. Thanks!
Does this controller show vacuum or just boost pressure? Id love to get rid of my boost gauge and just use this
My car is in the shop as I type, and my Snow Performance stage 1 is being installed alongside some other good stuff. I, like you, am also using the windshield washer reservoir and had wondered about the pump placement you had chosen. The install guide says to keep the pump below the reservoir level but in your installation you placed it next to the brake reservoir. "Hypothetically" it is still sitting lower than the windshield washer reservoir top up location. A more enthusiastic review indicates that the pump is parallel to the reservoir in placement. Was there any issues with the spray? I've got a HPA K04 EA888.2 Audi TT Mk 2.
We've never sprayed yet. I'm still waiting on a finalized tune for my car before we start dialing that in. If you compared where the pump sits vs where the tank sits in the fender it is still lower than the tank.
@@VancityAudi Yes hypothetically you are correct, even though it's parallel, the pump is sitting a few inches lower then the tank. My only concerns were the lines from the tank to the pump, since the pump isn't that great at priming. I was hoping you had purged the system and tried out that placement. I've asked the shop to mimic the placement in my engine bay. My Racingline intake leaves little room, but I'm hoping they find a proper solution. I'm surprised you didn't go stage 1, since you only really need WMI it at WOT there's not a lot of progressive tuning that can be done with the stage 3 in the 10 seconds your on the tarmac. I'll send you my setup and results to your insta later this week and let you know if that pump setup works. My car is more road course/lap oriented so the approach to WMI use is different yet similar. Looking forward to more of your content. Best
@@atlasdelmar we have zero doubts that it won't work. The good thing is though that IF it doesn't, we have done the leg work for others to show them that particular setup won't work for this application and we'll change it up until it does. Secondly, we are only using it for cooling so the concern that it is not working as well as it should isn't as concerning. If it isn't working as we hoped we can easily change it, where as if we were relying on it for octane and it doesn't work, my engine may go boom, haha. Lastly, we only need it for just over 9 seconds, not 10 🤣. I should also mention that I'd rather go Stage 2 where we have some flexibility for future development rather than just stage 1 and not have anywhere to go if we need to down the road.
@@VancityAudi fair enough, the ability to change up on the fly is ideal. With Stage 1 your just a nozzle change away from more or less WM, albeit, being a manual change vs your digital input from the cabin, I understand your logic. Looking forward to more of your content and some 8's . Best
@@atlasdelmar Thank you
I don’t see the Dyno compare.
That's because I haven't tested it yet. I'm still waiting on a fully configured tune from Unitronic.
We are waiting if it gains or not?
@ew10j4turbo we are simply waiting for my car to have a tune, let alone testing the water/meth system
@@VancityAudiis amazing I’m still waiting my stage 3 tune 104 AKI tune. And I have more than tow month.
I have a 2012 Audi S5 4.2. I'm looking into running water/meth injection mainly to help with carbon build up. Since my car is N/A will it work or recommended? Thanks
If you're spraying close enough to the throttle body I'd imagine that would help clean your valves, yes. I've never heard of someone using WMI to simply help with carbon build up though.
Is there an update ? Trying to see if the WMI met your goal. Looking to take this approach for my B8 S4.
13 months later, and I am still waiting on a tune. Nothing has been done further to the WMI system.
Any recommended shops in Indiana area?
Sorry, no. We are located in Vancouver, Canada.
I wanted to do this last year but everyone said doesn't do anything for this platform
I've been told the same thing repeatedly. I don't like doing things or not doing things because others have told me to do them. I've proven so many people wrong already by doing what we want to do that I figured we'd try this too.
Certainly false information, there is just a lot of hate around W/M injection mainly based off of lack of experience I find
After watching some vids about water/meth w/o tune, it seems that you lose power
Here's to hoping that I don't!
Many variables to consider when spraying, of course. When done properly, even without a tune, you can see great results.
@@biglipps66 which is why we'll be testing repeatedly on the dyno and on the back roads to make sure everything is as sorted as possible before we hit the track in hopes of gaining better performance.
aren't you using solenoid?
No. We will be testing our setup and seeing if we need to install one or not.