Modesty and Veiling in European Culture
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- While veiling is of course so important to many Islamic cultures, we shouldn't assume every culture that wears modest clothing is Muslim! Modesty occurs in so many cultures around the world, and in Europe, they can be Muslim, Christian, Pagan, or Jewish, and more!
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This is so true! Veiling was a norm for most women across the world, regardless of race and religion, up until the last century. Men as well would cover their head in some sort of fashion whether it was a hat or turban or something similar, as that was the appropriate thing to do in their culture, so a head covering is not limited just to women
Exactly. Even going out, when I was young, ladies dressed modestly, and wouldn't THINK of leaving the house without a hat or scarf and gloves. My mum owned several pairs that came up to mid-elbow.
Also I remember going to church, dressed in a good dress, hat and gloves because when my mum wet up to Communion, she would take me with her for my blessing.
Veiling was never been a norm in Ancient East Asia.
I disagree agree. You can generalize it. Probably true fir the countries and regions influenced by abrahamic faiths and weather conditions.
@@harrietharlow9929Even before wearing hat, They used to wear headscarfs.
yes until american feminist exist
Woman very sore ancient is back to the ancient Greece and isn't way before even
As a Muslim, you explained that very well and how veiling doesn’t just belong to certain religions and that it has its many cultural aspects to it, and that it can be used for many reasons and beliefs!☺️
I am a catholic woman and long to cover my hair for all but my husband, it makes me feel comfortable, and almost at peace. But I am not sure what to wear or how to wear it because I am afraid of ridicule😅 I already dress modestly and veil (mantilla) , however you can see my hair under that unless I cover it with a cap underneath which I may try.. any advice would be greatly appreciated if you have any, thank you 🥲
@@nutterbutterpop8193listen sister.
It should be completely your choice.
Nobody has rights to force you.
You should try to explain him the whole thing well
@@nutterbutterpop8193Do what makes you comfortable..you don’t get to decide what others wear, why would you let someone decide that for you. 😊 All the best
shouldnt be allowed to wear any of it in western countries.
So annoying whenever I wore a veil SOMEONE, usually complete strangers, just had to make the comparison every single time. Makes it tough sometimes to veil because I just don't wanna have to have that talk over and over 😑
After a while you learn to ignore them. After all, whether or not you veil is your business, not theirs.
@@harrietharlow9929 so true ❤️ thank you
@@Carlie_flower You're very welcome.
The extremely problematic thing is telling someone how to dress
Don't force them wear hijab
Don't force them to not wear it.
Let them choose
Exactly. I choose to veil but would never think of telling anyone else how to dress.
Exactly. I veil sometimes, and I never asked anyone else I saw veiling whether it was their choice, even before I started doing it myself
Yeah that what Islam says.
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We wonder if Muslim women are being forced to wear it because of places like Iran where they are literally forced to wear it under threat of violence or legal action. Nothing to do with ethnicity.
Yea that Iraq’s government. They are litterally forcing the women to cover up against their will. Which is even against the Islamic religion. So the Iranian government is in fault here- not the religion if u understand..?
@@emeraldartist99 It may be against your version of the religion but clearly it's not against everyone's version of the religion
@@Smithpolly
Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Turkey and etc.
They're forming the majoriy of Muslims and no one force hijab there.
@@Alfakta23 Which countries do force hijab?
not every muslim country is iran though 🤷
I’m a catholic who veils all the time and I veiled as a Pentecostal 😊
Heck, even my secular grandmother covered her hair!
I'm a muslimah (a Muslim woman) from Europe, I found this video in my recommendation and it made my heart so so happy!!!! Amazing video sister 😎💪💗
wow yay!!!! thank you so much i'm so glad you liked
From Bosnia?
Wearing hats out in public was common practice for basically everyone, men and nonreligious folks as well, until actually very very recently lol not veiling exactly but just wearing a hat in general was seen as proper 🤷🏻♀️ just what you did. You just didn't go out without a hat lol it's funny how quickly that has been forgotten by the general public.
We need to do more to celebrate our European culture
I'm sorry but sardinian veils have nothing to do with islamic influence, we have never been dominated by muslims or culturally influenced by them
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She didn't say it was influenced by Islam. She was just mentioning culture were there is veiling.
@@emana.3562 Veiling came long before Islam lol, that’s the point
First of all.. Veiling came from early Jews and early Christianity ❤
Um ma'am, religions existed before Judaism and Christianity - so has veiling.
This absolute misinformation. 😂
Most of the world had traditional head covers for women that resemble the Hijab. It is only recently (past couple hundred years) that people not only laid it off, but also forgot about history. Now those few people that kept the cover are being bullied and called oppressed
Both things can be true 🥰✊🏻
Thats because there is no place in Europe where wearing a vale is mandatory and enforced (except in muslim neighborhoods)
Thanks!! I get disappointed when people say "oh only muslims veil" because it's very ignorant. As a traditional catholic of the roman rite who studies other rites, I found that in Asia, like South Korea and Japan, it's very common for women to veil at church. In Egypt and Ethiopia, they also veil! In the US and Europe, veiling also existed. Some may also say "well, veiling is a dead practice in churches now" and that's not true. I attend the traditional latin mass, and even 4 year olds veil! People should study before saying lies
Why is it bad for women to show their hair? I don’t understand it from any culture. Please nicely explain the different reasons for each culture that does cover. Thank you 😊
Oh it's not bad to show hair of course!! There are many reasons people have veiled! In hotter climates it's for protection from the sun (it helps to cool) and in farming cultures such as in many parts of Europe, it helped keep the hair and the head clean. It's often for modesty in front of God or Allah, or any deity, such as veils in Catholicism! In the SWANA region in Northern Africa and the Sinai peninsula, covering the hair and the face was for protection against both the hot climate, desert sand and dust, as well as evil spirits (which included illness!) Sometimes veiling is for the health of the hair - you can look into all kinds of silk bonnets, which continue today especially among African American communities. There are soooo many reasons - even just for style and fashion! In ancient Mesopotamia, veiling was also sign of high class women. Those are just a few reasons!! Haha just scratching the very surface!!
@@ornament_and_crime thank you for this. 😊 I understand better now.
@@elizabethbarreras8968 Yay!! so happy to have this kind discourse with you :)
In my culture it's not bad it just symbolizes that you are married
I'm pagan and I veil for multiple reasons. One of them being I suffer from bad anxiety and I tend to pick at my hair and scalp so covering my head makes me leave it alone.
But also I find comfort in it in my practices, some pagans believe it blocks out negative energy and I do feel protected out in public by veiling.
false. veiling doesn’t come from islam
Correct. Veiling was a thing long, long before Islam.
Thank for saying this!!! I’m pagan and veil for my deities sometimes and for my practice and so many ppl say I’m “stealing Islam cultures bc I’m not Muslim”
Thank youuuu
Oh gosh, hello! I too veil in honor of the old gods! ~From another pagan 😊
Yeah, white women also get heat for covering. Just go look at the comments in many Christian modesty videos. We need to stop making everything about the colour of our skin.
@M It’s so ridiculous
That's Critical Race Theory for you..
Covering your hair and head is a good idea if you want to keep your hair clean and if you want to protect your head from the sun or from rain.
So whoever spends much time outside will find ways to cover their head.
Nothing special about that.
What distinguishes the Hijab from traditional head covering in many European countries is though, that the Hijab should cover all the hair and the neck, while many European coverings would usually allow to see some hair at least and the neck as well.
Some Muslim women are forced, yes forced, to wear the full black invisible dress here in hot Australia by their family. The full black dress is a sign of invisibility, women in the cloak of invisibility. This isn't an exotic dress its invisibility, woman are not seen. Do you actually know when Muslim women were forced to be invisible? Veiling probably entered Islam in 10th ce when catholic nuns went to Jerusalem. Bedouin have dressed a cultural way to live in a desert for thousands of years.
That’s blatantly false. It is said in the Quran that the wives of the prophet wore full veils and covered their faces.
you have no idea what you’re talking about. get educated and then try again. tired of ppl spreading misinformation on here
can we stop pretending people are reacting to *the veil*? they reacting bc ~some~ women are being being killed for *refusing* to wear it. calling that conversation dumb is offensive af.
Yes! All these stories about CHOOSING covering your head for MoDeStY are very sweet, but I know too many girls who were forced to wear hijab from a very young age and were bitten by their parents for refusing to do it.
The idea that covering your hair is somehow about modesty means that if you don’t cover your hair you are not modest, a slut. And quite a lot of people think it’s alright to commit violence against sluts or even kill them.
But I guess it’s easier for people to just ignore the actual problem
Then this is the problem of those specific individuals and your government not having laws to protect victims from their oppressors regardless of the reason not the problem of Islam. In islam no one can force it on your head. In Iran it’s the regime that are forcing on women so your problem is with them and btw they kill men for other reasons too, it’s not about religion. It is about dictatorship. Stop blaming a religion and start calling out the real reasons so you can get an outcome. If women with veils that chooses to wear it stops wearing hijabs, women if Iran won’t suddenly stop having the law forcing them to wear it. ;)
Veils are modest and good for prayers. AHM
If I remember correctly, Romans started veiling anyway. Islam, Judaism and Christianity adopted it. 🤷🏻♀️
But there are countries across the globe that have been veiling with no connection to the Romans, even before them so I don't think they started it really but defo something for me to research into! Thank you ✨
Muslim women wear that because a bizarre muhammad commnad
In the quran...
I'm from Algeria and in the Sahara part men's traditional wear include covering both the head and the face , and they so proud of their traditional outfits that even when they come to the north side of the country where it is "normal" weather (I don't know what it's called in English) they would still keep them even if they don't need to anymore (I mean cause there is no sand or burning sun)
agree 🇩🇿💕
Yes that is right what you say🇩🇿❤💚
I have Ben head covering in various ways for a few years. I’m Christian and when I prayed about how to give up control and let God lead and also let my husband be the head of the house 1 Corinthians 11 and women who practice head covering was all that came up on any item I searched for 2 months straight. Before then I only knew nuns and Muslims practiced head covering for religious reasons.
It’s a symbolic reminder that God is over all and I don’t have to have decision fatigue, my husband can make decisions for our entire family too.
We can thank feminism for making this taboo. Women veiled all the time before that nonsense came around.
There are feminists who veil. Weirdo. #notinhisimage
I think if you want to do it sure but making it the standard is crazy. As crazy as making makeup the standard. Just be like boys and go natural for heaven’s sake.
I don't even celebrate my birthday. Why should I celebrate veils? I prefer no veils.
Then don’t wear a veil. 🤷🏻
YES! Hellenic pagan here! Veiling and/or hair binding was an inherent part of Ancient Greek culture, was not limited by gender, and many Greek deities were/are depicted in art as wearing veils. I practice veiling myself, though usually only with a beanie or bandana, since scarves have a close association with c@ncer where I live (high rates of it in my area due to the local industries just being generally awful), and wearing a scarf will inevitably lead to questions about “why”…though it’s nobody’s business lol. Every so often though, I say fvck it and I go ahead and wear a scarf. I only do that when I’m ready to match energies though. 😂
The only reason we stopped doing this in the west is bc we invented hats!!! Even then, up until World War II, no married woman would ever DREAM of leaving the house without a hat!! World War I & II also took away corsets bc they put a man on metal so women invented bras and then a whole much of misconceptions around them sprung up :(((((( my great grandma use to tell me that she remembered her mom wearing a corset and was telling my uncle (her granddaughter’s husband) “no they’re not painful or oppressive they’re just supportive garments” and he was like “really?!?!”
Sad how society demonizes beautiful clothes as symbols of oppression for literally NO reason.
Everyone should wear what they want, whenever they want for whatever reasons so long as no one is being hurt by it (and hurt doesn't include being offended, afraid of turned on) - personally i think people veiling is their absolute right and they shouldn't have to explain themselves, but i think that cuts both ways, if a woman wants to walk around East Ham in a mini skirt, wearing gothic eyeliner, a choker and stilleto boots as i sometimes did - she should be afforded the same respect, people tend to project thier own prejudices and societal or cultural stereotypes about what type of person someone is based on image - its better to be kind to everyone, treat everyone well and get to know them.
im pagan,and THANK YOU! its not cultral appropriation when i veil, smh
The Azorean veil originates in the Island of Faial. It stands that way because it is constructed from whale bone. That’s all I know about the veil.
Veiling in europe not came from islam. It exists before
This is really interesting. I hadn't previously considered it.
TYSM FOR THIS I SWEAR PPL GET SO MAD WHEN I SAY THIS
It's not a dumb conversation because those women that are not white, those women usually are forced to put that on whether they like it or not, versus a white woman who is also, she's not literally forced because it's supposed to symbolize something in the end. I think they really hold to the whole point that is supposed to be your decision which of course would this a decision? I can also decide not to do it this time. For a period of time or whatever. But you're a bit different because it wasn't like. You know what I mean, it's like? It's like it's style. You know, and it was actually a style that men would actually prefer for them to not wear because if women were head coverings. And that's something that Europe also has in common any type of coverings of a woman besides clothing, and I'm sure clothing was even seen as that when humans first started wearing clothes. It's a sign of a woman that's not available, so you know, so of course, like in the European world, just like in basically all groups. You know, I'm not gonna force you to wear that. Because the symbolism will be taken away. The meaning it wouldn't be taken away. Basically to make a circle, you know. People know that you're more available when you don't have one. Which is what some people say others would act like. It and when you're covered up, that is supposed to symbolize in some form of fashion that you are not available romantically. And that they're only the have, like, you know, nice, nothing really conversations with you.
Covering hair is different to the face...
Muslim claim ortodoks veil and kubah misque
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
So glad you enjoyed!
@@ornament_and_crime :)
Mention of Lithuania and Lithuanians
Interesting
In most cultures, veiling was/is not a personal choice, rather something influenced by family and societal pressure. It's something present in patriarchal societies, that are afraid of the female power and freedom.
Showing skin is also influenced by friends, family, patriarchy and social pressure.
Some misogynistic men want women to show more skin to objectify them.
@@emana.3562 Not in my culture.
@@emana.3562 Exactly!
@@emana.3562 they called that feminism LOL
I like to cover my hair sometimes too… I am christian
I’m so so happy you showed Lithuanian vailing. I’m Lithuanian 😊
I just found out, and it’s not much, but I’m 1 percent ashkenazi Jew. I had never heard of it and now I feel like I’m seeing it more lol
Here before this post blows up
omg i wish! hahha thank you though! One day
Thank you for bringing up this topic!
Right and people only think Muslim women cover there heads I mean I get it
Veiling belongs to the traditions of men
Afghanistan is waiting for you
Who actually came up with the idea that "other", or, "different", are synonyms for "bad", "less than", or, "inferior"?
I'm tired of this "othering". We are all different in many ways. We are all "other than", naturally. And that's a good thing. It takes all kinds to make a world.
Jewish propaganda is where it comes from
don't forget romani dikhlo veiling!
I'm Christo-Pagan and I've veiled for a decade. I love it,
Christian is not Pagan
@@ConquerorofJerusalem Actually, we exist. We worship the Holy Trinity but use different rituals. Not everyone needs to be in locstep.
@@harrietharlow9929 we don’t worship 3 Gods
@@ConquerorofJerusalem Where have I said that we do?
You can’t be Christo-pagan. You’re just a heretic. May God guide you
Hijabi since 2022 my daughters 6 and 8 were the ones that asked me to do it since I reverted to Islam. Love it ❤ Modesty is Rare.
I'm critical of mandatory veiling because it almost always is exclusively women who are trained and encouraged to do it. Men almost never have to worry about not being modest enough, have to accommodate the extra clothing.
I'll slap a scarf on my head, as per my pfp, but it's just for the vibe and I don't do it often.
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come on. it's because it's only in middle eastern countries that women are forced to wear them. and these governments are usually under Islamic rule. not saying you are incorrect in the fact that other religions also discuss head scarves, but to ignore the stigma that comes with Muslim head scarves is intellectually dishonest
No- the straight up lack of education is embarrassing- as a Muslim Islam states clearly ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ therefore if one aka your version of Islamic Rule forces women then they are sinning in the eyes of Allah- also yes hijab is mandatory in Islam but it is a ‘choice’ to wear it- niqab is not mandatory - so moral of the story do not use Islamic Rule as Islam is against compulsion and forcing women therefore it is not under Islamic Rule
Women are NOT forced to wear them in middle eastern countries. I'm from Syria and literally half the people there don't cover their hair... and no one cares. You should actually bother learning, rather than making ignorant assumptions.
As a Muslim I find this comment as very distant from the truth. Im not offended in anyway but I actually surprised that being ignorant is seen as cool? Idk, you do you sir. :D
@@queenof_imk9970 Is Iran a middle Eastern Country?
@@Smithpolly yh duhhhh
I have Irish and German and Scottish ancestry, I veil when I’m practicing witchcraft 🥰 I love your channel and so glad I found it, eff capitalism eff yt supremacy eff fascism and eff cultural erasure, NO ONE GROUP SHOULD BE THE “standard”.. solidarity y’all, solidarity 💪💪🙏
Call out this women’s Jewish standard of morality then
Yap yap
Veiling comes from the Bible/Jewish Torah not from Islam. Islamic Religion wasn't born until Muhammad came into existence. Veiling was a tradition of the Jews and a command by God thru Paul. You can read it on Corinthians.
Also most cultures in the Fertile Crescent veiled their head because it was a way to protect themselves from the sun and the elements. For the Jewish women and the women of God (note because alot of women from other tribes also started following Yahweh and Yeshua) it was a sign of being under the covering of God's glory.
False, Islam has been around for 1400 years, veiling is older than that. Veronica wiped Jesse’s face with her veil. Islam is the only one to force complete face coverings. Cotholic’s have been around for 2000 years, Jewish women did it before then. If anyone Cotholic’s and Muslim were inspired by the Jews.
As for the azorean hoods, historians still don’t know why they were used, they date back to the 1700 that 200 years after the Mores were expelled from Spain/Portugal, now the tropical weather in the azores, some believe it was a for of protection from the elements.
stop justifying islam
Amazing how no matter the culture, the women are simply too hot to handle
SO SPOT ON! Thank you for saying it! 🙌🙌🙌🙌
This is crazy, if veiling is so important then why are u not in a veil, because it's ur choice. That's missing in eslam.
i wear a veil sometimes! when i'm in the mood to, or when i'm praying
"othering" is not a word, "Wokie"
I think it's spelled, wookiee.
Letter boxes, in Europe it's cold you don't need them lol
And yet, many countries in Europe have them. Didn't you learn anything or you just want to speak for the sake of it?
@@321girlwantstohavefun Still not covering the entire face nor were they forced to unlike Muslim countries that forced women to wear them for a long time, yes they can technically not wear them if they choose in *some* countries but it would be massively frowned upon. Hell some even have a death penalty for speaking out about their god 💀 backward af