I'd like to hear EVERYTHING Chelsea can come up with on Titanic's women! So many untold stories! And by the way, it's true. Once you let Titanic into your life she never leaves. Oh, she'll drift into the background, but then something happens that always brings her back to you, and you never know what or when.
I'm so glad you enjoyed the video Wayne! There were so many phenomenal women connected to Titanic's story who have been left in the background of history for too long. And I completely agree with you - for me, coming back to Titanic always feels like coming home.
@@chelseapinkardships Thanks for your kind response Chelsea! How sad about Annie Robinson! I knew her name as she was the stewardess Mr. Andrews advised to put on a lifebelt and "Let the passengers see you." I had no idea of her tragic end. It's good to see young people like yourself carrying Titanic's torch into the future! There's so many lessons Titanic has to teach us, and sometimes you don't realize what you've learned until you have a "Wait-a-minute!" moment reading news story, or read about people raving over new technology, or similar things. Keep the faith, and "Fair winds and following seas to you!"
@@chelseapinkardships We the people demand a rerun! More women in ships videos! Loved it Chelsea, thank you for sharing! I have a question - I found it hard to conceive of someone who went on to serve in the medical corps during the war as being more traumatised by her experience in Titanic than by her experience of the war (which from memory, she documented quite a bit more). Do you have any further research that we're missing, or is it possible that she was motivated to document later experiences more extensively because she felt that she'd not done so with her Titanic experiences and so didn't want to let the same thing happen?
I love seeing this younger generation so interested in these historic events! This channel in general touches on a number of maritime events that i've never heard before, and are explained so clearly that even someone not at all familiar with the subject can understand! Thank you!
There is so much to be said about the lives of Margaret Brown and Ida & Isidor Straus outside of Titanic. Margaret Brown especially was a truly amazing woman: she was a women's, children's, worker's, and overall human rights activist, an active philanthropist, and one of the first women in the US to run for Senate even before American women were granted the vote. I often think about how she could have spent her time on RMS Carpathia grieving for her lost friends but instead banded together with fellow survivors to raise funds for those who had lost everything. And yet Margaret's character has been whittled down to that of a loud-mouthed socialite by a certain blockbuster film.....
Molly Brown went on to be a prank youtuber, but ultimately she fell from grace when viewers realised all her pranks were fake, even the birthday cake one. It's incredible how vastly different the phases of her life were.
This is high quality content. I love the 'classic' flair that you add your videos in the way of music and manners. Nothing rushed or overly enthusiastic. Keep up the good work.
Hi Mike and Chelsea, The male passenger referred to is Frank Goldsmith. He was emigrating to America from England, as a nine year old with his family. His father went down with the ship and when Goldsmith died in 1982, his ashes were scattered over the wreck, reuniting them.
I remember my grandfather saying there had been Bowermen on the Titanic, had no idea they would be such impressive women. Great video, I really appreciate the work you put into it, all the way from Australia! I look to you shining light on some more lesser-known stories in the future.
Chelsea is an extremely intelligent and well-spoken woman...the two of you present a topic not oft mentioned yet of great import to the history of Titanic, as well as women's impact of the times! Thank you both!!!
This is the sort of recognition these incredible women deserve at long last. As you say, their achievements go far beyond their unfortunate chances of being on the Titanic. Insightful narration of their stories. Definitely looking forward to more! The co-host setup for this in particular worked really well.
Not just an exceptional video, but an exceptional channel as well. The quality of the content is really good, and the overall presentation is very professional. Bravo! :)
I love this video podcast (vodcast?) format and look forward to more episodes in the series! I am also in awe of your obvious skills and talent in the art of video editing.
Love this video! I've been following your channel for awhile now and started checking to see what I haven't watched yet. Thanks so much for your wonderful work! From Susan in Michigan USA ❤
I've never even heard of these women and yet this was fascinating! Is it just me or does it seem like just about everybody important or notable was on the Titanic? So many people like them have untold but intriguing stories. I'd be very interested to hear what else Chelsea has found since then. Great video!
I'm sure you've got this suggestion time and time again but please cover Violet Jessop. There should be a film based on that woman's life. Great video!
Great Video, Thanks. Lots of history in this one, the "Bowerman Ladies" would make a great mini-series. At 13:57 the little kid selling the papers is Edward John "Ned" Parfett, he has a interesting back story. There is one "Lady" that is overlooked, it is the Titanic herself. All ships are called "she or her." Referring to a ship as she goes years back, the tradition is a sign of respect and admiration that is well deserved. You two make a great team......
Thank you Mike! The concept of ships being called "she" is fascinating. There is a really interesting article out there called "Heirlooms and tea towels: views of ships' gender in the modern maritime museum", published by the Australian Association for Maritime History, which poses some great ideas about why it is these feminine pronouns for ships have come about. I'd love to someday look into how these pronouns have directly impacted on the way Titanic's story has been written.
Amazing work. I wools love to hear about the crew who worked for the WSL as women. Always been curious as to how they got hired and what they’re work lives were like, down to the uniforms they wore and perceptions they would have been viewed by as working women.
Thanks for watching Bryce! Titanic's female crew are probably my favourite group to study, especially when you consider that of almost 900 crew-members aboard only 23 were female and of that 3 were lost in the sinking. I seriously commend the women who took up employment at sea because it must have been an absolutely gruelling job.
Just made my morning coffee and what was on the lap-top waiting just for me??? A "Oceanliner Designs & Illustration" video.... It's going to be a great day......
Another excellent episode! I might have the names wrong but their complaints about the heating on Titanic made me realize the Titanic had an early system of central heating?...fascinating!
Hey Alan, Quite right! A number of heating methods were implemented which mainly involved drawing in fresh air and heating it up using steam. For example, up on deck were strategically placed a series of 'Thermotanks', each with an integrated electric fan. The fan would draw in cool air while the steam, in coiled tubes within the Thermotank, would heat the air and it would then be circulated through the ship through trunking - typically the air would reach staterooms at about 65 degrees F. (18 degrees C) This was considered 'warm' air at the time! ~Mike
It seems to me that there was one woman, a stewardess on Titanic, who ended up serving on all three Olympic class liners, including as a nurse aboard HMHS Britannic at the time of her sinking. That might make an interesting video in your series.
@@AndyHappyGuy Violet Jessop's story is a phenomenal one however she has definitely become something of a paragon for multiple-shipwreck-survivor. I think part of her popularity is due to the fact that we often see the same well-worn paths being trodden when it comes to telling Titanic's story, in much the same way that we frequently hear about people like Guggenheim, Astor, Margaret Brown, etc. Her story is the easiest to tell because it is one we are already so familiar with. Her survival in no way discredits the stories of other shipwreck survivors.
@@chelseapinkardships its not just about that. Jessop survived 3, Priest survived 6. Clearly priest is better. If you're saying that priest didn't go through as much on the Btitannic, then you're wrong. He was on another lifeboat that was pulled into the propellers as well, he may have even been in the same boat if I recall. History has already made Jessop more popular, but we need to start giving priest some credit too.
@@AndyHappyGuy seeing as my suggestion was for the category "women of the Titanic", I don't think the man who survived six sinking qualifies. I'd be interested in that video too, it sounds like it would be a fascinating tale, but in its proper category.
I really hope to see a lot more videos done with Chelsea p. I think u both have a really good chemistry on video together and should capitalize on that !!!!
I’m pretty sure that Helen Churchill Candee was also involved in the suffragette movement I read, or at least was outspoken about it. Also the survivor you were referring to Mike, who lived next to a baseball stadium and the cheers were so like the cries of the people in the water that he had to move far away because he couldn’t bare it, was Frankie Goldsmith, third class passenger, just 9 years old at the time of the disaster. He lost his father who he was very close to. As did so many others that night.
Hi Dean, I understand the point you're trying to make, but in Margaret Brown's case it is clear she's been reduced to a caricature and the rest of her life and accomplishments are largely ignored. The public record is so poor that even her moniker "Molly" is incorrect - she was known at the time as "Maggie". This series is intended to highlight these peoples' lives before, during and after Titanic. Given the volumes written on their male counterparts, it is clear that the women aboard Titanic have largely received second billing over the last hundred years. ~Mike
Bravo! Nice job it's so lovely to see 2 young individuals interested in History as well as the importance of gender equality. You both give me a glimpse of hope for a good future . Well Done!
Your videos are top notch! They are very well researched and presented. I always look forward to them. They have a very British feel to them. Keep up the excellent work!
@@OceanlinerDesigns hey sorry Mike! I should have realized you were Australians. But I understand the connection, I'm Canadian! I just wanted to add that your videos are also very classic in style. And you top that off in your manners and dress. It transports the viewer back to 1912. I always look forward to your presentations. Good day mate!
I realise that this topic attracts far fewer views than many of the other, more "mainstream" aspects of Titanic and other ships of the early 20th century, but I absolutely think you should revisit this series to rectify exactly that. It occurs to me that for many if not all of the names intertwined with the sinking of the Titanic we don't know much beyond their relation to this event. This channel does a great job of giving a more real, tangible and comprehensive idea of what life was like during those days. Perhaps this series could be extended to tell the stories of many names associated with the disaster, and tell their livies' stories more completely. I also can't help but think how scary it must have been to pioneer in these areas relating to women's rights and roles - I mean it's not like once you've broken any of these walls all is good, it must have been an uncomfortable life in large parts.
How absolutely fascinating! These two women and, frankly, many others that survived Titanic were simply names on a list to me. How wonderful it is to learn something new about these survivors. I was completely unaware of the unfortunate suicide of the stewardess, Ms. Robinson. Ms. Bowerman was an incredible woman and your analogy of "Forrest Gumping" through history was very appropriate for her. Can you imagine a Police Officer today grabbing a woman violently by her hair for simply wanting to vote? Superb video Mike and Chelsea! SO many Titanic videos on TH-cam are just saying the same old things over and over. This video, where you can learn so many things you didn't know, is amazing content!☺
Thank you so much Tracy! I agree, female Titanic survivors have tended to be cast aside as just that - survivors. But to be a woman in the early 20th century on its own was an incredible feat, no matter whether you were a participant in a great disaster or not! When I first read about Edith's attack at the Black Friday demonstrations I was horrified, and even then her injuries pale in comparison to that of countless other women. It's a very dark period of history which I think tends to get brushed over and it's only when you start looking at individual women like the Bowermans that you see the very real trauma they endured for something as simple as enfranchisement.
@@chelseapinkardships Thank God we are past such idiocy (as far as voting rights are concerned).☺ Y'all did a great job on that video! I literally cannot wait to see what and who will be next!
My name's sake Molly Brown was also a suffragette on the Titanic, and she was the first woman to run for congress several times before the vote was even passed. 1914 M Brown ran for Colorado state senate, again before the vote was passed. That same year she organized the "International Womens Conference."
I've known for years about the fantastic life of this pair. Glad to see they're finally getting their due. Wish I could say they were relations of mine but they weren't. My mom's aunt was Liz Rothschild however.
I bet these women were deeply embarrassed to be given preferential treatment over men for a place in a life boat. That must have gone badly against their beliefs about equal rights.
The discourse that emerged after Titanic about women's priority access to lifeboats is fascinating, particularly around ideas of men's chivalry in 'valiantly dying so that women could live'. There was certainly outrage by anti-suffragists on the grounds of "If you women are so equal, why didn't you die as equals?" I think it's interesting to note that there were a lot of women who were adamant they were not going to get into the lifeboats without their husbands, fathers, sons, etc. who were practically thrown into the boats like mail sacks. I could go on for hours and hours about this because it's such an intricate topic, so if you'd like a video discussion about it let us know!
@@chelseapinkardships That is interesting indeed. Yes, I think it could possibly be a good one to cover a bit more in depth sometime. Thank you for your reply.
I even feel like women were given literally NO attention. AT ALL. Milvena Dean for excample was the last to Pass away and was 3rd class as a baby. That she lived is a miracle of god. Oh and what about Miss unsinkable? Mr. Cameron! Explain yourself! Great job you 2!😊
This is footage from the recent "On a Sea of Glass LIVE!" event featuring the authours of "On a Sea of Glass" and produced by Tom Lynskey, Levi Rourke, Liam Sharp and myself and not related to the THG project. Thanks for watching! ~Mike
Another strong woman who tore down bariers on sailing vessels was Pamela Eriksson. Traveling through the pacific, she got in love with the sea. Ended up in Walleroo on board the sv Herzogin Cecilie as pretentice. Actually one of the first women on board a sailing vessel. Her book ‘The Duchess’ is really inspiring.
So... It's been a little over a year since this great first episode was made on such an important, yet rarely discussed, topic. How's part two coming along? Is it still happening?
Your channel is awesome but I'm not sure how relevant feminism is in a story about thousands of men working tirelessly to prioritize the safety of women. The only reason these women have a tale to tell is because men sacrificed themselves to spare them from tragic death. They werent marginalized or forgotten - they got to live the rest of their lives while the men sank to the bottom of the Atlantic.
I disagree that Titanic women stories stays behind men. What about famous passenger Rose DeWitt-Bukatter who said legendary quotes “Draw me like one of your French girls” and “it’s been 84 years” that have become memes?
Apparently men in the UK for example didn't get the universal right to vote until only only ten years before women did which was 1928, additionally soldiers fighting in France often couldn't vote for a country they were of course being asked to risk their lives for! Like many things this doesn't fit into todays popular narrative though it seems, there were many flagrant injustices back then such as women being given priority in the lifeboats. The video does say this of course, but it doesn't speak at all of ordinary females who may of been involved in creating the sort furnishings of Titanic and similar work. So with respect we still seem to be suffering from social injustices, although to be fair there are obvious time constraints at play here.
Perhaps Edith and Elsie avoided the topic of the sinking because they realized that they had benefited from the very same system that they were protesting. The outdated gender norms they were fighting were what got them promptly into a life boat. To then bring it up constantly would have been detrimental to the suffrage cause.
This content isnt really, what i expect on this channel. Those two women happen to have been on the Titanic..... big deal. 1500 people drowned in horrible conditions.. but they had a lifeboat and were millionaires.... buh-hu.. cant really feel any empathy or give them credit for their work. This has absolutely nothing to do with the chaos and suffering some women actually had to endure. Like telling their children that everything would be fine. Or that they had to leave their husband behind.. Thus is just a feel good story about "strong women". She sacrifized nothing that night. Only had a bad experience.
Too politically biased. To be a historian is not to focus on one sex only. That gives a warped view of history. They all suffered . Men were also expected to give their lives up for women . The first war actually found mass employment for women introduced, thereby giving them independence. The power -seeking and controlling upper - class suffragettes only were stimied by the war.
I'd like to hear EVERYTHING Chelsea can come up with on Titanic's women!
So many untold stories!
And by the way, it's true. Once you let Titanic into your life she never leaves. Oh, she'll drift into the background, but then something happens that always brings her back to you, and you never know what or when.
I'm so glad you enjoyed the video Wayne! There were so many phenomenal women connected to Titanic's story who have been left in the background of history for too long. And I completely agree with you - for me, coming back to Titanic always feels like coming home.
@@chelseapinkardships Thanks for your kind response Chelsea!
How sad about Annie Robinson! I knew her name as she was the stewardess Mr. Andrews advised to put on a lifebelt and "Let the passengers see you." I had no idea of her tragic end.
It's good to see young people like yourself carrying Titanic's torch into the future!
There's so many lessons Titanic has to teach us, and sometimes you don't realize what you've learned until you have a "Wait-a-minute!" moment reading news story, or read about people raving over new technology, or similar things.
Keep the faith, and "Fair winds and following seas to you!"
Haha my Titanic obsession had finally cooled down for a few months but I found myself looking at pictures of Britannic and now I found this channel.
@@221b-l3t As I said man, she never leaves.
@@chelseapinkardships We the people demand a rerun! More women in ships videos! Loved it Chelsea, thank you for sharing! I have a question - I found it hard to conceive of someone who went on to serve in the medical corps during the war as being more traumatised by her experience in Titanic than by her experience of the war (which from memory, she documented quite a bit more). Do you have any further research that we're missing, or is it possible that she was motivated to document later experiences more extensively because she felt that she'd not done so with her Titanic experiences and so didn't want to let the same thing happen?
I love seeing this younger generation so interested in these historic events! This channel in general touches on a number of maritime events that i've never heard before, and are explained so clearly that even someone not at all familiar with the subject can understand! Thank you!
I would love a deeper insight of Margaret Brown's life and the Strauss' lives too.
There is so much to be said about the lives of Margaret Brown and Ida & Isidor Straus outside of Titanic. Margaret Brown especially was a truly amazing woman: she was a women's, children's, worker's, and overall human rights activist, an active philanthropist, and one of the first women in the US to run for Senate even before American women were granted the vote. I often think about how she could have spent her time on RMS Carpathia grieving for her lost friends but instead banded together with fellow survivors to raise funds for those who had lost everything. And yet Margaret's character has been whittled down to that of a loud-mouthed socialite by a certain blockbuster film.....
@@chelseapinkardships still makes me wonder had the movie had more accuracy in history if they put more effort into it.
Molly Brown went on to be a prank youtuber, but ultimately she fell from grace when viewers realised all her pranks were fake, even the birthday cake one. It's incredible how vastly different the phases of her life were.
This is high quality content. I love the 'classic' flair that you add your videos in the way of music and manners. Nothing rushed or overly enthusiastic. Keep up the good work.
Very kind João, thanks so much!
~Mike
Hi Mike and Chelsea,
The male passenger referred to is Frank Goldsmith. He was emigrating to America from England, as a nine year old with his family.
His father went down with the ship and when Goldsmith died in 1982, his ashes were scattered over the wreck, reuniting them.
I remember my grandfather saying there had been Bowermen on the Titanic, had no idea they would be such impressive women. Great video, I really appreciate the work you put into it, all the way from Australia! I look to you shining light on some more lesser-known stories in the future.
Thanks Mark! That's a nice connection, thanks for sharing!
All the best from Melbourne,
~Mike
Chelsea is an extremely intelligent and well-spoken woman...the two of you present a topic not oft mentioned yet of great import to the history of Titanic, as well as women's impact of the times! Thank you both!!!
This video is a good representation of the untold story of the women aboard the rms titanic. I thoroughly enjoyed this, keep up the good work!👍
This is the sort of recognition these incredible women deserve at long last. As you say, their achievements go far beyond their unfortunate chances of being on the Titanic. Insightful narration of their stories. Definitely looking forward to more! The co-host setup for this in particular worked really well.
Thanks so much! It was fun filming with another person for the first time!
~Mike
Not just an exceptional video, but an exceptional channel as well. The quality of the content is really good, and the overall presentation is very professional. Bravo! :)
I love this video podcast (vodcast?) format and look forward to more episodes in the series! I am also in awe of your obvious skills and talent in the art of video editing.
Thanks so much! They are always a lot of fun to make.
~Mike
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Love this video! I've been following your channel for awhile now and started checking to see what I haven't watched yet. Thanks so much for your wonderful work! From Susan in Michigan USA ❤
Just excellent, I never knew, love learning, you must be a teacher researcher, next great excellent doc maker.
I've never even heard of these women and yet this was fascinating! Is it just me or does it seem like just about everybody important or notable was on the Titanic? So many people like them have untold but intriguing stories. I'd be very interested to hear what else Chelsea has found since then. Great video!
This is such an amazing story! PLEASE would love to hear more!
Your videos makes me fall in love with ships once more!!!
Thanks for all the good works.
I'm sure you've got this suggestion time and time again but please cover Violet Jessop. There should be a film based on that woman's life.
Great video!
Love your Titanic videos
Thank you for the research & great quality
Great Video, Thanks. Lots of history in this one, the "Bowerman Ladies" would make a great mini-series. At 13:57 the little kid selling the papers is Edward John "Ned" Parfett, he has a interesting back story. There is one "Lady" that is overlooked, it is the Titanic herself. All ships are called "she or her." Referring to a ship as she goes years back, the tradition is a sign of respect and admiration that is well deserved. You two make a great team......
Thank you Mike! The concept of ships being called "she" is fascinating. There is a really interesting article out there called "Heirlooms and tea towels: views of ships' gender in the modern maritime museum", published by the Australian Association for Maritime History, which poses some great ideas about why it is these feminine pronouns for ships have come about. I'd love to someday look into how these pronouns have directly impacted on the way Titanic's story has been written.
@@chelseapinkardships You two made a great team today......
@@jetsons101 Thanks Mike!
Fascinating!! Thank you for bringing this history back to life.
Amazing work.
I wools love to hear about the crew who worked for the WSL as women. Always been curious as to how they got hired and what they’re work lives were like, down to the uniforms they wore and perceptions they would have been viewed by as working women.
Thanks for watching Bryce! Titanic's female crew are probably my favourite group to study, especially when you consider that of almost 900 crew-members aboard only 23 were female and of that 3 were lost in the sinking. I seriously commend the women who took up employment at sea because it must have been an absolutely gruelling job.
Just made my morning coffee and what was on the lap-top waiting just for me??? A "Oceanliner Designs & Illustration" video.... It's going to be a great day......
:)
Very well done, Chelsea. Would like to see more! 👍🏻
Another excellent episode! I might have the names wrong but their complaints about the heating on Titanic made me realize the Titanic had an early system of central heating?...fascinating!
Hey Alan,
Quite right! A number of heating methods were implemented which mainly involved drawing in fresh air and heating it up using steam. For example, up on deck were strategically placed a series of 'Thermotanks', each with an integrated electric fan. The fan would draw in cool air while the steam, in coiled tubes within the Thermotank, would heat the air and it would then be circulated through the ship through trunking - typically the air would reach staterooms at about 65 degrees F. (18 degrees C) This was considered 'warm' air at the time!
~Mike
Great Video!!
It seems to me that there was one woman, a stewardess on Titanic, who ended up serving on all three Olympic class liners, including as a nurse aboard HMHS Britannic at the time of her sinking. That might make an interesting video in your series.
Oh my god shut up about Jessop. There was a man who survived all those plus 3 more shipwrecks, but I guess women are better huh?
@@AndyHappyGuy Violet Jessop's story is a phenomenal one however she has definitely become something of a paragon for multiple-shipwreck-survivor. I think part of her popularity is due to the fact that we often see the same well-worn paths being trodden when it comes to telling Titanic's story, in much the same way that we frequently hear about people like Guggenheim, Astor, Margaret Brown, etc. Her story is the easiest to tell because it is one we are already so familiar with. Her survival in no way discredits the stories of other shipwreck survivors.
@@chelseapinkardships its not just about that. Jessop survived 3, Priest survived 6. Clearly priest is better. If you're saying that priest didn't go through as much on the Btitannic, then you're wrong. He was on another lifeboat that was pulled into the propellers as well, he may have even been in the same boat if I recall. History has already made Jessop more popular, but we need to start giving priest some credit too.
@@AndyHappyGuy seeing as my suggestion was for the category "women of the Titanic", I don't think the man who survived six sinking qualifies. I'd be interested in that video too, it sounds like it would be a fascinating tale, but in its proper category.
@@lordshipmayhem at least mention priest. Jessop's story has already been told a million times over now.
I really hope to see a lot more videos done with Chelsea p. I think u both have a really good chemistry on video together and should capitalize on that !!!!
Interesting. Love the content. Keep it up.
Loved listening to this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And so good to hear the stories of women on the titanic getting some recognition !!!!
Thank you so much, Ivy! :)
I’m pretty sure that Helen Churchill Candee was also involved in the suffragette movement I read, or at least was outspoken about it. Also the survivor you were referring to Mike, who lived next to a baseball stadium and the cheers were so like the cries of the people in the water that he had to move far away because he couldn’t bare it, was Frankie Goldsmith, third class passenger, just 9 years old at the time of the disaster. He lost his father who he was very close to. As did so many others that night.
Great episode, very interesting
What an amazing video, it's so much nicer to see what happened to some of the women who survived the sinking of the Titanic, amazing job, thank you.
Thanks for watching Mel :)
~Mike
Now this looks very interesting
Oh please, the most famous passenger and survivor of the Titanic disaster, Margaret Brown, was a woman and a very liberated woman at that.
Hi Dean,
I understand the point you're trying to make, but in Margaret Brown's case it is clear she's been reduced to a caricature and the rest of her life and accomplishments are largely ignored. The public record is so poor that even her moniker "Molly" is incorrect - she was known at the time as "Maggie". This series is intended to highlight these peoples' lives before, during and after Titanic. Given the volumes written on their male counterparts, it is clear that the women aboard Titanic have largely received second billing over the last hundred years.
~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns The reason there is so much written on the men is because they were the ones who f**ked up.
Bravo! Nice job it's so lovely to see 2 young individuals interested in History as well as the importance of gender equality. You both give me a glimpse of hope for a good future . Well Done!
Thanks Nicolas!
~Mike
Your videos are top notch! They are very well researched and presented. I always look forward to them. They have a very British feel to them. Keep up the excellent work!
Thanks Martin!
We're Aussies so the British connection runs deep!
~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns hey sorry Mike! I should have realized you were Australians. But I understand the connection, I'm Canadian! I just wanted to add that your videos are also very classic in style. And you top that off in your manners and dress. It transports the viewer back to 1912. I always look forward to your presentations. Good day mate!
I realise that this topic attracts far fewer views than many of the other, more "mainstream" aspects of Titanic and other ships of the early 20th century, but I absolutely think you should revisit this series to rectify exactly that.
It occurs to me that for many if not all of the names intertwined with the sinking of the Titanic we don't know much beyond their relation to this event. This channel does a great job of giving a more real, tangible and comprehensive idea of what life was like during those days. Perhaps this series could be extended to tell the stories of many names associated with the disaster, and tell their livies' stories more completely.
I also can't help but think how scary it must have been to pioneer in these areas relating to women's rights and roles - I mean it's not like once you've broken any of these walls all is good, it must have been an uncomfortable life in large parts.
Fascinating stuff. Look forward to further episodes about Titanic Women.
For those series you could discuss the full story of Milvena Dean, or one of those women who were real heros, but got forgotten about all together.
How absolutely fascinating! These two women and, frankly, many others that survived Titanic were simply names on a list to me. How wonderful it is to learn something new about these survivors. I was completely unaware of the unfortunate suicide of the stewardess, Ms. Robinson. Ms. Bowerman was an incredible woman and your analogy of "Forrest Gumping" through history was very appropriate for her. Can you imagine a Police Officer today grabbing a woman violently by her hair for simply wanting to vote? Superb video Mike and Chelsea! SO many Titanic videos on TH-cam are just saying the same old things over and over. This video, where you can learn so many things you didn't know, is amazing content!☺
Thank you so much Tracy! I agree, female Titanic survivors have tended to be cast aside as just that - survivors. But to be a woman in the early 20th century on its own was an incredible feat, no matter whether you were a participant in a great disaster or not! When I first read about Edith's attack at the Black Friday demonstrations I was horrified, and even then her injuries pale in comparison to that of countless other women. It's a very dark period of history which I think tends to get brushed over and it's only when you start looking at individual women like the Bowermans that you see the very real trauma they endured for something as simple as enfranchisement.
@@chelseapinkardships Thank God we are past such idiocy (as far as voting rights are concerned).☺ Y'all did a great job on that video! I literally cannot wait to see what and who will be next!
I wish this video had more views!! It deserves so many more because it’s amazing! Thanks so much!
My name's sake Molly Brown was also a suffragette on the Titanic, and she was the first woman to run for congress several times before the vote was even passed. 1914 M Brown ran for Colorado state senate, again before the vote was passed. That same year she organized the "International Womens Conference."
I've known for years about the fantastic life of this pair. Glad to see they're finally getting their due. Wish I could say they were relations of mine but they weren't. My mom's aunt was Liz Rothschild however.
Not from Titanic but Viscountess Lady Margaret Mackworth of the Lusitania is worth a look.
Fascinating
PTSD of Titanic survivors in later life could be a subject of scholarly research.
I actually second this
Nice video.
Thank you Tad!
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I bet these women were deeply embarrassed to be given preferential treatment over men for a place in a life boat. That must have gone badly against their beliefs about equal rights.
The discourse that emerged after Titanic about women's priority access to lifeboats is fascinating, particularly around ideas of men's chivalry in 'valiantly dying so that women could live'. There was certainly outrage by anti-suffragists on the grounds of "If you women are so equal, why didn't you die as equals?" I think it's interesting to note that there were a lot of women who were adamant they were not going to get into the lifeboats without their husbands, fathers, sons, etc. who were practically thrown into the boats like mail sacks. I could go on for hours and hours about this because it's such an intricate topic, so if you'd like a video discussion about it let us know!
@@chelseapinkardships That is interesting indeed. Yes, I think it could possibly be a good one to cover a bit more in depth sometime. Thank you for your reply.
I'd like to know more about the youngest survivor of the titanic
hope your doing well daring the lock down. Hong Kong has no cases but i cont do much ether. nice video!
Thankyou! We are all glad it has ended!
~Mike
10:49 I believe it was Frankie Goldsmith.
Please continue this series, maybe the next woman you can talk about is Edith Rosenbaum
Good idea!
~Mike
It must of been absolutely terrible just waiting in the life boats realising exactly tly what was happening x
10:50 the name of the male passengers was Frank Goldsmith. He was a third class passenger.
Thanks Aaron, quite right! It was on the tip of my tongue.
~Mike
I even feel like women were given literally NO attention. AT ALL. Milvena Dean for excample was the last to Pass away and was 3rd class as a baby. That she lived is a miracle of god. Oh and what about Miss unsinkable? Mr. Cameron! Explain yourself!
Great job you 2!😊
Where did you get the videos from Titanic HG?
This is footage from the recent "On a Sea of Glass LIVE!" event featuring the authours of "On a Sea of Glass" and produced by Tom Lynskey, Levi Rourke, Liam Sharp and myself and not related to the THG project.
Thanks for watching!
~Mike
10:48, that was Frank Goldsmith Jr.
Thanks Joshua! It was rattling around in my brain somewhere...
~Mike
Another strong woman who tore down bariers on sailing vessels was Pamela Eriksson. Traveling through the pacific, she got in love with the sea. Ended up in Walleroo on board the sv Herzogin Cecilie as pretentice. Actually one of the first women on board a sailing vessel.
Her book ‘The Duchess’ is really inspiring.
Tj soton strange how they forgot there militancy when they climbed into boats ahead of men.😊
You two need to collab again! Love this vid.
Nice history lesson Mike ❤
I’ve always been told that my moms family is related to Molly brown!
Hey Chelsea he's mine! Lol 😂😂
Those suffragettes were the heroes of their time. Would love to see more stories on the topic.
So... It's been a little over a year since this great first episode was made on such an important, yet rarely discussed, topic.
How's part two coming along? Is it still happening?
Recovering from covid; glad to have found you change. Be well 💕🐝💕🇺🇸
Yes I would love to hear more stories of Titanic women.
Your channel is awesome but I'm not sure how relevant feminism is in a story about thousands of men working tirelessly to prioritize the safety of women. The only reason these women have a tale to tell is because men sacrificed themselves to spare them from tragic death. They werent marginalized or forgotten - they got to live the rest of their lives while the men sank to the bottom of the Atlantic.
Have you guys heard of the V-Break theory?
Yes, and it never happened either, don’t believe what Aaron1912 says about it.
@@SQUAREHEADSAM1912 u was asking for a debunk video on that cursed theory
Oh yeah!
Margret brown
I disagree that Titanic women stories stays behind men. What about famous passenger Rose DeWitt-Bukatter who said legendary quotes “Draw me like one of your French girls” and “it’s been 84 years” that have become memes?
I guess she mean real women lol
@@sc1338 (that was just a joke) ^ ^
Apparently men in the UK for example didn't get the universal right to vote until only only ten years before women did which was 1928, additionally soldiers fighting in France often couldn't vote for a country they were of course being asked to risk their lives for! Like many things this doesn't fit into todays popular narrative though it seems, there were many flagrant injustices back then such as women being given priority in the lifeboats. The video does say this of course, but it doesn't speak at all of ordinary females who may of been involved in creating the sort furnishings of Titanic and similar work. So with respect we still seem to be suffering from social injustices, although to be fair there are obvious time constraints at play here.
Perhaps Edith and Elsie avoided the topic of the sinking because they realized that they had benefited from the very same system that they were protesting. The outdated gender norms they were fighting were what got them promptly into a life boat. To then bring it up constantly would have been detrimental to the suffrage cause.
"Covid"
This content isnt really, what i expect on this channel.
Those two women happen to have been on the Titanic..... big deal.
1500 people drowned in horrible conditions.. but they had a lifeboat and were millionaires.... buh-hu.. cant really feel any empathy or give them credit for their work.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the chaos and suffering some women actually had to endure.
Like telling their children that everything would be fine. Or that they had to leave their husband behind..
Thus is just a feel good story about "strong women".
She sacrifized nothing that night. Only had a bad experience.
There you see thay were Feminist but in danger thay went back to im a woman save me.
Google how feminists reacted to a respect given to males drowning and women being saved at that time. Pretty disgusting.
Too politically biased. To be a historian is not to focus on one sex only. That gives a warped view of history. They all suffered . Men were also expected to give their lives up for women . The first war actually found mass employment for women introduced, thereby giving them independence. The power -seeking and controlling upper - class suffragettes only were stimied by the war.