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After seeing this video I think the mages in Stormwind are somewhat connected to the Naaru as well. I mean look at the big window in Stormwind's Portal Room. I mean if the Portal Room is underground as stated, then where is that light coming from? 🤔
Metzen's dialog (writing) feels more immediate and real than what we've had over the past few expansions because he was raised on great writing and stole from the best. I'm thrilled that the cringey YA / PG-13 writing so popular across fantasy media is not a natural part of his DNA as a creator. It's a breath of fresh air after a season of black mold.
I just want blood and thunder, decapitated heads depicted in the concept art and total war to return. its been far too long and Dragonflight has quite literally neutered this game hard.
@@mitch4904 I think you're in the wrong franchise. For that, I recommend the M rated universe of Elder Scrolls. Much more of that kind of stuff. WoW will always be Teen rated
The light and void duality has been since the Ashbringer, once a void crystal found in the body of a dead orc warlock. Alexandros found it and it was infusef with light while being forged by Mangi in the great Ironforge anvil. Later it got corrupted again just to be purified once again. Priests are another example: Holy the light; Shadow the void and Discipline being in the middle since it takes discipline to be in balance between the two sides (balance druids might be there too but im not sure). Naarus are another perfect example, M'uru and his enthropic form seered into my mind the duality of light and shadow.
Regarding the crystal in Hallowfall: When the cosmos was young, Light and Shadow clashed. This resulted in "shards of light" being flung across the cosmos, seeding worlds with life. I am 100% convinced that the crystal in Hallowfall is one such shard. It crashed into Azeroth hundreds of thousands of years ago, causing the worldsoul and the Elementals to become alive. Then, much, much later, as the Arathi had settled in Avaloren, a sect among them were called by this shard to defend it against the agents of the Void. So they left their homes and made it to Hallowfall, where they have remained for hundreds of years, locked in battle against the Nerubians and creatures from the underground sea. Now, I also believe, as seems to be the case with beings of pure Light in the Warcraft universe, that this object sort of oscillates naturally between Light and Shadow. Think of a Naaru times one thousand. It's been of the Light for aeons, but now it is increasingly turning into its shadowy form. Hence the brief periods of darkness in Hallowfall recently. We need to protect it and ensure it doesn't fall into the wrong hands (Xal'atath).
Naaru go into the shadow form when they're badly wounded. It's possible that this crystal in Hallowfall has been approaching Void because it's somehow tied to Azeroth's world soul, and with that giant sword stuck in her, Azeroth herself isn't doing so well. So the crystal is reflecting that.
I felt that cinematic so hard... ive been going through a tough time and just like Anduin, i had been running away thinking with enough time things will pass. I still get goosebumps hearing Thrall say "you needed time. We stayed away. But time by itself heals nothing"
Something about the Tauren story of Elune and Azeroth. We have "heard" Azeroth (The Earth Mother). We have heard Elune (Mu'sha), and it is highly reasonable that the Winter Queen is Lo'sha, The Blue Child and Elune's sister. But what of the Sun, The Brother of Elune and the Winter Queen? Who is An'she?
Thought of something. If Elune is a member of the Life Pantheon, and The Winter Queen is a member of the Death Pantheon, maybe An'she is a member of the Light Pantheon? The Tears of Elune was used to heal a Naaru, and Mu'sha was supposed to tend to An'she's wound. It would make sense that Elune would be able to heal a being of the Light if she was sister to one of its members and had been tending to him for untold ages. So maybe we have not seen this character yet, but will once the Light-Void focus Midnight expansion comes our (or earlier, if that giant light crystal under the Isle of Dorn is a piece of An'she).
I want to know what happened thousands of years ago that made the proto-elves switch from worshipping Loa to worshipping Elune. It seemed a sudden, and final, change. You can even find ancient armour and things around the place showing proto elves worshipping both at one point. Also, what did they look like? Would love to know.
I think they started to worship that which gave them power. The well of eternity was basicly like a giant "Moonwell". The well transformed the trolls into elfs and they started to study it's power and learned to wield magic. That's why, compared to the other Loa, the new elfs became more tied to Elune and wanted to stay in her favor. Then Azshara became Queen and over time she herself became kinda like a false idol for the elfs. I almost suspect that Elune had a hand in the destruction of Aszhara's empire..
Elune: "Behold this fertile land filled with fauna that I have prepared. I shall send unto thee my son and champion. His actions reflect my will. And his name is HEMET."
One thing that confuses me about Elune and her being tied to Life (or even Light) is the fact that every ability connected to the moon (and thus Elune) does *Arcane* damage, which is tied to Order
I hope they just say that the shadowlands is a version of death and the Jailer was just lying about how involved hes been. Even doing things like the Orc heritage armour quest and having your ancestors show up is immersion breaking because of that expansion
This. They need to delete that as best possible. Make it a daemon realm or something that isn't the actual afterlife, make everything in there be liars. But honestly? I wouldn't mind a full retcon of it entirely. It's actively damaging, unlike BFA, which was just BAD.
3:57 That's because most of the new lore isn't retcons by way of changing old lore, it adds to it. Whether they did a good job or not is a different issue, but the new stuff doesn't contradict the old stuff, in the majority of cases.
So, something strange is happening in WoW right now whenever I find archeology keystones, like Troll Tablets, and it happens whether I dig them up in the wild or buy a crate from an archeology vendor. Whenever I find a keystone, I hear a whisper of Yogg-Saron. "You are a pawn of forces unseen" and the like. And Xal'atath is going to be a major player in the upcoming expansions. Maybe archeology is going to be relevant again? Maybe we're gonna have Old God dig sites?
Ashbringer ? Naaru-shard ?? for many years I only heard of an "orb, that absorbs light" before it went fully light and was forged into the Ashbringer-sword. This discovery and the corresponding orb was an easter-egg in the ingame dungeon "caverns of time 1" I think, which took place in the tavern of Southshore, if you payed the people there a visit after beating the dungeon boss...
I really wants to know more about Elune relationship with light and Void. Elune as the creator of Na'ru, her priestesses powers based on silver light rather than druidic power. Void form in the form of Night warrior and her strange relationship with Xal'atath. One of her most characteristic and visible tattoos is a half moon, so I don't believe she doesn't have some deeper connection with the moon goddess. Besides, the big crystal in TWW reminds me of the day and night cycle day=light night=void is literally Elune's calling card. Her relationship with Life, Death, Void, Light and Order gives the impression of Elune having influence and power in every corner and bigger force in the universe
Well, Elune is of the Life Pantheon. That is all but confirmed at this rate. She does however have connections with other forces. I would imagine this is just a result of the Cosmic Pattern, as different forces team up or learn shit from each-other, etc.
@@preds43 But she's gone rogue. So as to what she is *now,* that's still up for debate. From the way the Winter Queen treated her, I get the feeling Elune was supposed to be the counterpart of the Winter Queen but from another realm - Life, possibly. Or maybe something else, possibly Arcane (since astral-based druid spells deal Arcane damage - or used to, not sure if they still do). We know that the Titans come from, for lack of a better term, the Prime Material Plane, since they're born from world souls. Which means that the Titans can't be the Arcane/Order counterparts of the Winter Queen, Primus, et al, from the Shadowlands. Plus, when Titans die, they go to the Shadowlands, just like every other denizen of the material plane. They don't turn back into space robots. Elune being an entity from the Arcane pantheon could actually help explain her affinity with Life, if she began to nurture that after turning away from pure Order. It would also explain her connection to Eonar, whose own powers are rooted in both Arcane (as a Titan) and Life.
@@Maria_Erias argus only went to the shadowlands cuz he was pumped full of death magic for thousands of years. so we don't know exactly where titans go when they die.
@@electricmayhem8147 That doesn't really matter. The Jailer was steeped in death magic, and his soul didn't go to the Shadowlands. He just turned into a puppet.
I kinda think they should never do an Elune reveal. For one thing, I'm very doubtful that they could pull it off in a satisfying way. It also robs Warcraft of one more element (and a major element at that) that's actually mystical and mysterious. Explaining all the mystery is usually bad for lore and world building. Honestly they've revealed too much about Elune already that kind of diminishes her, like by the Winter Queen calling her her sister.
maybe the titans, in their quest for order, fell into the trap of death (eradication - Sargeras?) - and now life, light, and void and chaos align to not be ordered (by exterminating force) but why is elune actually an avatar of both light and void - and are there then avatars of death+chaos as well and an avatar of life and chaos ? so those three are actually intertwined into sub-dualities? while elune embodies the duality of light and void - someone else (also residing in the emerald dream) is an avatar of life+chaos duality - and someone is also residing in the ED that represents duality of order+death? its confusing somehow.
Have you guys looked into Pyromancer's theories on the lore of the Shadowlands? It's fascinating and brings me to appreciate that expansion's story a lot more.
I did. The problem with it is there are too many instances of lore made up/speculated and never presented in game. Also, many of us already speculated jailor was a pawn of the primus but blizz never went that route when they had a clear road to. I guess they thought we can't do another trope of mastermind, behind a mastermind.
he barely played shadowlands and goes over the top with his theories. him, belluar, and nobbel all thought that the winter queens sister was eonar when it was clearly elune. just yesterday pyro was saying that sargeras is innocent and that he hopes he is eventually seen as innocent. how can you take his theories serious? The guy who waged intergalactic war on our planet twice and war on the entire lives in the universe. yeah ok
I generally only pay attention to Pyro when he's having another episode. He moved to ffxiv for awhile. I guess since he burnt alot of bridges there he came back to wow lol.
Considering Elune is of Life which can be chaotic and with connection to Eonar (order) and being the Winter Queen's Sister (Death) they could portray her as a Goddess of Balance which does connect to the druids/nature/emerald dream. With arguments to her of being light/void, night warrior lore and the tear of elune being a way to restore a prime naaru, the elunahir story and how she did not intervene with the kaldorei genocide because she wanted them sent to ardenweald to help her sister kinda feels like "there is always life and death"/cycle always continue/there must be balance in all things. Wish they give her proper structure with the next expansions, patch 10.2 could have been an opportunity for her to show or make her presence felt considering its a druid theme and the conflict is in the emerald dream. Atleast for the winter queen she sent her envoy to help and had an appearance in one of the quests.
SL forever ruined her img. She can't be shown to care about balance when her "favored" children were immortal for the longest time. Before SL, I was very interested to know more about her but now I'm indifferent. The only thing I want to know about her now, is how long she can stand fel energy, as it is literally come into creation via destruction of life energy. She can be used as a way to explore disorder/chaos releam. Fel is so potent that once the target is destroyed by it, their soul is also destroyed, so no shadowlands. That is until blizz retcon it of course.
Something to consider with Elune: Balance druids. Their moon-based magic is entirely Arcane. Tied to the titans? Perhaps from a power above the pantheons?
What if it all boils down to Balance? Everything has a light and dark cycle and what they are trying to find is that perfect Balance which brings Harmony? The Titans are trying to force Order which leads to stagnation. The Void is trying to force Chaos which leads to Entropy. Life is the center of that. An attempt at creating a perfect Balance of Creation and Destruction, Life and Death. Renewal.
All this video told me is that Elune was retconned and they actually did retcon lots of things pretty terribly at that, but that isn't a surprise. The damage of Shadowlands is permanent and I doubt even Metzen can fix that.
@@impas2349 The dream has layers because it has been iterated upon several times and we know the titans more than create they just modify existing stuff. We also know the old gods were a thing upon Azeroth before the titans so I think the old gods or void beigns could have made the nightmare and the titans just ordered it to it's current state by trial and error.
The amount of damage Danuser and his team have done to the lore and "feeling" of warcraft, its factions, leaders, heros and races is quite staggering. If you tried on purpose to do so much damage it would be hard.
but why complain? why not be happy that its not them at the helm still as much? lol its like crying of thirst, then getting water and saying "Oh i was so thirsty" over and over again.
It's An'she, the deity praised by the Taurens, he is the God of the Sun and some legends say he and Elune fought against the Void long before the titans arrival, An'she was wounded by the Void and has been recovering since them under the protection of Elune
I always love so much how the tauren and night elf storiest overlap. It gives such cool native American vibes. Pre titan lore has to be my favorite lore in the warcraft universe.
Casual fan here. What happened to Sylvanna? Did blizz kill her off? Did she self destruct? I remember being intrigued by her story. But dont see her anymore.
Emerald Dream is more like a portion of Life realm just as Shadowland is Death realm, the Titans maybe cut it from Life realm and order it then link it to Azeroth.
Issues with the game itself aside, I feel like an expansion about the afterlife/coping with grief may not have been the best move in late 2020. I got in late just before DF came out, and SL just felt... oppressive. I use gaming for escapism, and SL just didn't feel like an escape. I went from the news talking about death to the game talking about death and the afterlife, and it was just too much.
This video flew over my head. Odin? Eanar? Freya? Feels like the whole video went into some weird side-tangent. I thought we talking about Elune? is she a robot? is she hot? all i wanna know bro
This doesn't mean that Elune is weak. The Titans call themselves siblings, but Sargeras and Aman'thul are definitely more powerful than the rest. Just like Zoval and Primus in the panthoen of Eternal ones.
I just realized how postmodern/millennial Warcraft has become over time: a fantasy universe that slowly rejected or destroyed or trivialized or commoditized the mystique of all its gods and greater than life powers.
Chris Metzen returning to WoW is probably the biggest news ive heard from WoW. I am extremely excited about The War Within and that is only because bobby fuckface is gone and Metzen is back!
Well her priestesses and druid star themed spells all deal arcane damage. So Elunes affiliation since wc3bis defenately arcane based. Even into BFA as Night warrior Tyrandas magic is the arcane baded star shower. Or turn into one herself to chase Sylvanas etc.
If Elune was imprisoned, and we really talked to her in Ardenweald, don’t you think she would’ve said something like ‘Btw, I’m imprisoned, this is where I am, send lawyers, guns and money, etc.’, or something along those lines?
I don't think there is any sense in Elune being in the crystal at all. But I find it highly possible that the circular yellow ring prison in the logo of "The Last Titan" could be holding Elune and not the world soul at all. It may even be that Elune agreed to be imprisoned on purpose by her friend the Life-Binder Eonar....... because perhaps Elune is a dual personality both bright and dark; and being imprisoned while bright would mean she is imprisoned while dark. So they can limit her evil powers by keeping her imprisoned all the time.
I appreciate that this is a late piece of lore, but yesterday I found a book in the tower above Sinfall in SL. It appears to be a dreadlord's report to Sire D. It briefly describes every superpower in WOW and refers to life as their biggest enemy. It made a connection to me that - based on Winter Queen's remarks - Elune is a Life player and that could mean that she is not aligned with Titans by her nature
Eonar is the most sus character in the game, she is using Elune as a mask 99%, Amanthul as 2nd. Sarg got dominated while cleaving worlds, check his art, dom runes on him + blue eyes + runes on sword too, not a coincidence Anduin got showed how domination works.. Titans planned everything, cant wait to deal with them. Sarg could have destroyed Azeroth easily with that sword, instead he aimed at something (Azeroth's prison, Azeroth's heart, or at something else) with his last attempt.
The Titans are basically the Christians of our world, changing old world religions to suit their belief, erasing anything that condtradicts it and not being too fond of the idea that they might be wrong. Although I suppose all six Cosmic Forces are like this.
Norse religion was one pantheon of gods taking over the previous religion of the scandinavian peoples thus becoming the new pantheon (vanir to aesir) . Hindu religion was a previous religion of the dravidian people being squashed and replaced by the warrior invaders of the indo-europeans that replaced all of the old pantheon with that of the new Hindu one. Jewish religion was all about a previous religion and pantheon being replaced by yahweh (judeah to israel) . All of Roman religion was one pantheon replacing the greek one and erasing anything that contradicted that takeover. It could be argued that "every" religion forms from replacing the old one.
Nope. Shadowlands made it clear Elune is the counterpart of the Winter Queen. The WQ even calls Elune her sister, so Elune is on the same power level of the Titans.
@@josejuanandrade4439 No, Elune is not on the same power level of the Titans. The Titans are from the material plane - they're born from world souls, their souls go to the Shadowlands when they die instead of a cosmic plane of Order/Arcane, and they don't turn into defunct space robots when they die. The Titans are the equivalent of the Old Gods or the Naaru, just an order of magnitude more powerful, give or take. The Winter Queen - and by association, Elune - are on par with the Void Lords or the hypothetical Light Lords.
@@laertesindeed and yet through in game descriptions like the dreamsaber and blue flames phoenixes seems that things that probably should be attributed to an’she are given to elune instead. Almost like once the devs have to think outside of night elves, humans and orcs, their brains fucking go blue screens and they forget what they were suppose to do and just keep piling on more shit for those races to have.
@@vinnythewebsurfer Nothing you just typed has anything to do with my reply..... so you put the at symbol and my name for no reason. Meanwhile, my reply remains true...... no developer ever said what you typed in the original post. You are, therefore, a liar.
The word sister is entirely symbolic..... and has nothing to do at all with genetic relationships at all. Aman'thul also called Sargeras the word "brother" when we know they are not related.
Xal'atath named Na'ru brothers but they are crealry not related and looks complete diffrent. I think all this siblings stuff is only symbolic. Winter Queen maybe treats her like an older sister because she gave her advice and taught her the magic of life long time ago. She's just a role model
What if Elune is not even a personality itself. I suppose she (or to say correct IT) might be a cosmic mechanism. Some kind of an algorithm that was made by the primordial ones and supposed to keep balance between all cosmic realms so that they couldn't destroy each other. And Azeroth might be the key to shut the entire mechanism down considering amount of various unnatural technologies within the planet. That might explain why Elune was represented in so many races' religions and beliefs by many of her names. It's not a goddess but a script that provides mortals powers to protect them.
All this lore is overblown and just new iterations of the same stories and structures. I miss when Warcraft was just about orcs vs humans and we were just obsessed with raiding black rock mountain!
I personally didn't have an issue with the Shadowlands storyline and it revealed that the Titans weren't telling the whole story (i.e. the realms existed before the eternal ones).
I always disliked the sheer mundanity of the Titans. They never seemed divine so much as powerful aliens playing god and I was tremendously disappointed they were "stronger" than actual gods for much of the later lore. Personally, I'm hoping this breaks away from that and gives us some mysticism again, rather than explaining everything and thuzs stripping the magic from Elune as well.
Tauren & Trolls had an elemental origin? They had connections to the Loa for trolls and earth mother for Tauren, but elemental origins? I couldn't find any evidence of that. Also, WoWpedia has this statement about the Emerald Dream: _"Freya, one of the nine titan-forged Keepers, created the Emerald Dream during the Ordering of Azeroth to serve as the underlying blueprint for the planet."_ which is confusing because Bellular states the origin is well before the ordering. I'm confused.
Ah, if I just didn't stop and comment and played further, the video says with respect to The Emerald Dream: Patch 10.2's lorebook named _"On The Nature of The Dream" states "Seeking an answer, I have spoken to many spirits who inhabit the Dream. Dryads, ancients, grove keepers, and others. None of them tell of a titan creating the Dream._ _So did they truly create the Dream, or merely discover it, seeing its vibrancy as chaos to which they were compelled to bring structure?"_
My running theory is that the Light and the Void are one and the same and not at all altruistic. Not only the priests can use both disturbingly easily, even Elune and the Naaru flip around basically on a whim. It's the two sides of the same coin. There can be no light without the darkness, and no darkness without the light. The light grows civilizations only to come back as void to consume them. Imagine light/void as a parasite. Invade any of the Life's domains, act like a good little symbiotic force to boost the civilization, and when they reach the right stage, FEAST till there's nothing left, then move on.
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you should really tag your videos WMG
After seeing this video I think the mages in Stormwind are somewhat connected to the Naaru as well. I mean look at the big window in Stormwind's Portal Room. I mean if the Portal Room is underground as stated, then where is that light coming from? 🤔
Metzen's dialog (writing) feels more immediate and real than what we've had over the past few expansions because he was raised on great writing and stole from the best. I'm thrilled that the cringey YA / PG-13 writing so popular across fantasy media is not a natural part of his DNA as a creator. It's a breath of fresh air after a season of black mold.
It's time to put the War back in Warcraft.
I just want blood and thunder, decapitated heads depicted in the concept art and total war to return. its been far too long and Dragonflight has quite literally neutered this game hard.
@@mitch4904 I think you're in the wrong franchise. For that, I recommend the M rated universe of Elder Scrolls. Much more of that kind of stuff. WoW will always be Teen rated
@@mitch4904 Yeah it would be awesome if the game returned to its roots, which was Warhammer lite.
The light and void duality has been since the Ashbringer, once a void crystal found in the body of a dead orc warlock. Alexandros found it and it was infusef with light while being forged by Mangi in the great Ironforge anvil. Later it got corrupted again just to be purified once again. Priests are another example: Holy the light; Shadow the void and Discipline being in the middle since it takes discipline to be in balance between the two sides (balance druids might be there too but im not sure). Naarus are another perfect example, M'uru and his enthropic form seered into my mind the duality of light and shadow.
Regarding the crystal in Hallowfall:
When the cosmos was young, Light and Shadow clashed. This resulted in "shards of light" being flung across the cosmos, seeding worlds with life. I am 100% convinced that the crystal in Hallowfall is one such shard. It crashed into Azeroth hundreds of thousands of years ago, causing the worldsoul and the Elementals to become alive. Then, much, much later, as the Arathi had settled in Avaloren, a sect among them were called by this shard to defend it against the agents of the Void. So they left their homes and made it to Hallowfall, where they have remained for hundreds of years, locked in battle against the Nerubians and creatures from the underground sea.
Now, I also believe, as seems to be the case with beings of pure Light in the Warcraft universe, that this object sort of oscillates naturally between Light and Shadow. Think of a Naaru times one thousand. It's been of the Light for aeons, but now it is increasingly turning into its shadowy form. Hence the brief periods of darkness in Hallowfall recently.
We need to protect it and ensure it doesn't fall into the wrong hands (Xal'atath).
Naaru go into the shadow form when they're badly wounded. It's possible that this crystal in Hallowfall has been approaching Void because it's somehow tied to Azeroth's world soul, and with that giant sword stuck in her, Azeroth herself isn't doing so well. So the crystal is reflecting that.
Cool, but I think they said the Arathi got there following a falling star (probably a Naaru crash landing or similar. So, the dates wouldn't match.
@@Maria_Erias A possibility, yes.
@@SpewPuke A vision of a falling star, I think - which would mean it's possible they got a memory, not a real-time vision
it was what crashed in ungoro. Ungoro has so many crystal shards too
I felt that cinematic so hard... ive been going through a tough time and just like Anduin, i had been running away thinking with enough time things will pass. I still get goosebumps hearing Thrall say "you needed time. We stayed away. But time by itself heals nothing"
This cinematic is probably the deepest they've made
I think that time makes you forget pain. At least it did for me.
@@PierreVG Yup, but it doesn't make it go away. It's still there, waiting to be felt, as that's all Pain wants to do. To be felt.
Something about the Tauren story of Elune and Azeroth. We have "heard" Azeroth (The Earth Mother). We have heard Elune (Mu'sha), and it is highly reasonable that the Winter Queen is Lo'sha, The Blue Child and Elune's sister. But what of the Sun, The Brother of Elune and the Winter Queen? Who is An'she?
Anshe is Argus most probably
What if it was sargeras?
Thought of something. If Elune is a member of the Life Pantheon, and The Winter Queen is a member of the Death Pantheon, maybe An'she is a member of the Light Pantheon? The Tears of Elune was used to heal a Naaru, and Mu'sha was supposed to tend to An'she's wound. It would make sense that Elune would be able to heal a being of the Light if she was sister to one of its members and had been tending to him for untold ages. So maybe we have not seen this character yet, but will once the Light-Void focus Midnight expansion comes our (or earlier, if that giant light crystal under the Isle of Dorn is a piece of An'she).
You don't want to know the answer to that...
It's Pelagos.
@@zurgnut good cuz that's wrong.
I want to know what happened thousands of years ago that made the proto-elves switch from worshipping Loa to worshipping Elune. It seemed a sudden, and final, change. You can even find ancient armour and things around the place showing proto elves worshipping both at one point. Also, what did they look like? Would love to know.
I think they started to worship that which gave them power. The well of eternity was basicly like a giant "Moonwell". The well transformed the trolls into elfs and they started to study it's power and learned to wield magic. That's why, compared to the other Loa, the new elfs became more tied to Elune and wanted to stay in her favor.
Then Azshara became Queen and over time she herself became kinda like a false idol for the elfs. I almost suspect that Elune had a hand in the destruction of Aszhara's empire..
Finally! I have been waiting for this lore to be continued properly since 2004
I love these kind of lore speculation videos man! Thank you for putting them out you and your team do a great job!
Elune: "Behold this fertile land filled with fauna that I have prepared. I shall send unto thee my son and champion. His actions reflect my will. And his name is HEMET."
Also evil Elune- collect these 300000000000 pages, but no using the AH. See you next Willennium. Getting jiggy with it!
I want to see Malfurion Stormrage in one of these Cinemas.
one cinematic with Malfurion hyped entire player base is BFA. it's a pity he was ignored after terror of darkshore by the writers
One thing that confuses me about Elune and her being tied to Life (or even Light) is the fact that every ability connected to the moon (and thus Elune) does *Arcane* damage, which is tied to Order
Its videos like this that brought me back to the game recently after many many years away.
I hope they just say that the shadowlands is a version of death and the Jailer was just lying about how involved hes been. Even doing things like the Orc heritage armour quest and having your ancestors show up is immersion breaking because of that expansion
This. They need to delete that as best possible. Make it a daemon realm or something that isn't the actual afterlife, make everything in there be liars. But honestly? I wouldn't mind a full retcon of it entirely. It's actively damaging, unlike BFA, which was just BAD.
3:57 That's because most of the new lore isn't retcons by way of changing old lore, it adds to it. Whether they did a good job or not is a different issue, but the new stuff doesn't contradict the old stuff, in the majority of cases.
Just the fact that they didn't have to retcon it to make it work is a clear indicator that they're doing a damn fine job for a change.
So, something strange is happening in WoW right now whenever I find archeology keystones, like Troll Tablets, and it happens whether I dig them up in the wild or buy a crate from an archeology vendor. Whenever I find a keystone, I hear a whisper of Yogg-Saron. "You are a pawn of forces unseen" and the like. And Xal'atath is going to be a major player in the upcoming expansions. Maybe archeology is going to be relevant again? Maybe we're gonna have Old God dig sites?
Ashbringer ? Naaru-shard ?? for many years I only heard of an "orb, that absorbs light" before it went fully light and was forged into the Ashbringer-sword. This discovery and the corresponding orb was an easter-egg in the ingame dungeon "caverns of time 1" I think, which took place in the tavern of Southshore, if you payed the people there a visit after beating the dungeon boss...
I really wants to know more about Elune relationship with light and Void. Elune as the creator of Na'ru, her priestesses powers based on silver light rather than druidic power. Void form in the form of Night warrior and her strange relationship with Xal'atath. One of her most characteristic and visible tattoos is a half moon, so I don't believe she doesn't have some deeper connection with the moon goddess. Besides, the big crystal in TWW reminds me of the day and night cycle day=light night=void is literally Elune's calling card. Her relationship with Life, Death, Void, Light and Order gives the impression of Elune having influence and power in every corner and bigger force in the universe
Well, Elune is of the Life Pantheon. That is all but confirmed at this rate. She does however have connections with other forces. I would imagine this is just a result of the Cosmic Pattern, as different forces team up or learn shit from each-other, etc.
@@preds43 But she's gone rogue. So as to what she is *now,* that's still up for debate. From the way the Winter Queen treated her, I get the feeling Elune was supposed to be the counterpart of the Winter Queen but from another realm - Life, possibly. Or maybe something else, possibly Arcane (since astral-based druid spells deal Arcane damage - or used to, not sure if they still do). We know that the Titans come from, for lack of a better term, the Prime Material Plane, since they're born from world souls. Which means that the Titans can't be the Arcane/Order counterparts of the Winter Queen, Primus, et al, from the Shadowlands. Plus, when Titans die, they go to the Shadowlands, just like every other denizen of the material plane. They don't turn back into space robots.
Elune being an entity from the Arcane pantheon could actually help explain her affinity with Life, if she began to nurture that after turning away from pure Order. It would also explain her connection to Eonar, whose own powers are rooted in both Arcane (as a Titan) and Life.
@@preds43 I don't believe it. I'm in the camp that Elune is like Azeroth - a being of *all* pantheons, but is older and not manipulated by the Titans.
@@Maria_Erias argus only went to the shadowlands cuz he was pumped full of death magic for thousands of years. so we don't know exactly where titans go when they die.
@@electricmayhem8147 That doesn't really matter. The Jailer was steeped in death magic, and his soul didn't go to the Shadowlands. He just turned into a puppet.
I kinda think they should never do an Elune reveal. For one thing, I'm very doubtful that they could pull it off in a satisfying way. It also robs Warcraft of one more element (and a major element at that) that's actually mystical and mysterious. Explaining all the mystery is usually bad for lore and world building. Honestly they've revealed too much about Elune already that kind of diminishes her, like by the Winter Queen calling her her sister.
Void styled Ashbringer would go hard
What Elune is doing is being a robot doing robot things
She's a *malfunctioning robot doing malfunctioning robot things. Don't forget, she turned her back on her purpose... whatever that was.
Drink everytime Bellular says "Warcraft".
Its almost like we dont know we watch a warcraft video.
maybe the titans, in their quest for order, fell into the trap of death (eradication - Sargeras?) - and now life, light, and void and chaos align to not be ordered (by exterminating force)
but why is elune actually an avatar of both light and void - and are there then avatars of death+chaos as well and an avatar of life and chaos ?
so those three are actually intertwined into sub-dualities? while elune embodies the duality of light and void - someone else (also residing in the emerald dream) is an avatar of life+chaos duality - and someone is also residing in the ED that represents duality of order+death?
its confusing somehow.
Have you guys looked into Pyromancer's theories on the lore of the Shadowlands? It's fascinating and brings me to appreciate that expansion's story a lot more.
I did. The problem with it is there are too many instances of lore made up/speculated and never presented in game. Also, many of us already speculated jailor was a pawn of the primus but blizz never went that route when they had a clear road to. I guess they thought we can't do another trope of mastermind, behind a mastermind.
he barely played shadowlands and goes over the top with his theories. him, belluar, and nobbel all thought that the winter queens sister was eonar when it was clearly elune. just yesterday pyro was saying that sargeras is innocent and that he hopes he is eventually seen as innocent. how can you take his theories serious? The guy who waged intergalactic war on our planet twice and war on the entire lives in the universe. yeah ok
I'm sure they sound really cool but we have seen times and times again that Danusser and co. go with worst and lamest choice always.
I generally only pay attention to Pyro when he's having another episode. He moved to ffxiv for awhile. I guess since he burnt alot of bridges there he came back to wow lol.
@@elreytriton its a game.. you are too serious lol
Considering Elune is of Life which can be chaotic and with connection to Eonar (order) and being the Winter Queen's Sister (Death) they could portray her as a Goddess of Balance which does connect to the druids/nature/emerald dream.
With arguments to her of being light/void, night warrior lore and the tear of elune being a way to restore a prime naaru, the elunahir story and how she did not intervene with the kaldorei genocide because she wanted them sent to ardenweald to help her sister kinda feels like "there is always life and death"/cycle always continue/there must be balance in all things.
Wish they give her proper structure with the next expansions, patch 10.2 could have been an opportunity for her to show or make her presence felt considering its a druid theme and the conflict is in the emerald dream. Atleast for the winter queen she sent her envoy to help and had an appearance in one of the quests.
SL forever ruined her img. She can't be shown to care about balance when her "favored" children were immortal for the longest time.
Before SL, I was very interested to know more about her but now I'm indifferent.
The only thing I want to know about her now, is how long she can stand fel energy, as it is literally come into creation via destruction of life energy. She can be used as a way to explore disorder/chaos releam. Fel is so potent that once the target is destroyed by it, their soul is also destroyed, so no shadowlands. That is until blizz retcon it of course.
Some things must remain a mystery
Eonar and Agramar continue to be my favorite titans
The waters of Elune which gets poured into the pools at Bel'Ameth, that pool has the sigil of Ardenweald in it.
maybe there will be a new portal to Ardenwelad
Elune is prob just trying to avoid those little immortal creatures that massacre anything that drops loot...
thanks
Something to consider with Elune: Balance druids. Their moon-based magic is entirely Arcane. Tied to the titans? Perhaps from a power above the pantheons?
What if it all boils down to Balance? Everything has a light and dark cycle and what they are trying to find is that perfect Balance which brings Harmony? The Titans are trying to force Order which leads to stagnation. The Void is trying to force Chaos which leads to Entropy. Life is the center of that. An attempt at creating a perfect Balance of Creation and Destruction, Life and Death.
Renewal.
All this video told me is that Elune was retconned and they actually did retcon lots of things pretty terribly at that, but that isn't a surprise. The damage of Shadowlands is permanent and I doubt even Metzen can fix that.
Thank God Metzen came back.
I still think the dream is an ordered version of the nightmare wich is the original ''plane''
How nightmare suppose to be original plane of the dream?
@@impas2349 The dream has layers because it has been iterated upon several times and we know the titans more than create they just modify existing stuff. We also know the old gods were a thing upon Azeroth before the titans so I think the old gods or void beigns could have made the nightmare and the titans just ordered it to it's current state by trial and error.
@@Kross415 sounds kinda cool
Shadowlands wasn't a retcon. It was forcing us to question everything we had ever known as "true" history and the workings of everything around us
a great lore video
The amount of damage Danuser and his team have done to the lore and "feeling" of warcraft, its factions, leaders, heros and races is quite staggering. If you tried on purpose to do so much damage it would be hard.
but why complain? why not be happy that its not them at the helm still as much? lol its like crying of thirst, then getting water and saying "Oh i was so thirsty" over and over again.
Remember the story about Elune’s brother, who may be the Lord of Light.
what story is that? never heard of that
It's An'she, the deity praised by the Taurens, he is the God of the Sun and some legends say he and Elune fought against the Void long before the titans arrival, An'she was wounded by the Void and has been recovering since them under the protection of Elune
There's a short story called Eyes of the Earth Mother that explains it better
@@gabrielaugusto3711 “What are you hiding?”
what if that big crystal in TWW was what crashed in ungoro?
Things that go from light to dark and back again.
The Arathor crystal
The Naaru
The Ashbringer
The Moon
What was Elune the Goddess of, again?
if naruu can turn to void, then can a voidlord/oldgod turn to light?
I always love so much how the tauren and night elf storiest overlap. It gives such cool native American vibes.
Pre titan lore has to be my favorite lore in the warcraft universe.
I wonder if someday paladins will get light and void abilities, like priests.
Casual fan here. What happened to Sylvanna? Did blizz kill her off? Did she self destruct? I remember being intrigued by her story. But dont see her anymore.
Sylvanas is basically roaming the Maw. She's looking for all the souls she sent there, so she can send them to their rightful covenant
@@Nyxton1 so Blizz put her on a time out pretty much lol. Did Sylvanna say she feels guilty or something? Haha thx tho =]
Bring back Denathrius
yes!
In WOW are there only two seasons, winter and Elune?
Hmm, Elune A clash of being from Void and Light, a creator?
I think Elune represent spring, Eonar summer, winter Queen winter, but where is Fall sister?
The Naaru aint just speculated by Kadghar. Even Velen said so
4:27, I would.
wait... where were the tauren during the black empire?
Mephisto is behind it all!! 😱😱
Titan of light is inside of Azeroth 😮the big truth❤
So, is the Emerald Dream then the Life version of Zereth Mortis I wonder?
Emerald Dream is more like a portion of Life realm just as Shadowland is Death realm, the Titans maybe cut it from Life realm and order it then link it to Azeroth.
could elune be the life titan that somehow made it in our realm?
Elune is what Y'shaarj became when Aman'thul ripped him from the Well of Eternity.
yes, the story of Y'shaarj and Elun'Ahir sounds suspiciously similar
My guess: Azeroth is Elunes child.
So what you are saying is: With Midnight focussing on Lordaeron we are actually getting the "real" Ashbringer back into the game?
it's not focusing on lordaeron at all.
who created the titans?
Issues with the game itself aside, I feel like an expansion about the afterlife/coping with grief may not have been the best move in late 2020. I got in late just before DF came out, and SL just felt... oppressive. I use gaming for escapism, and SL just didn't feel like an escape. I went from the news talking about death to the game talking about death and the afterlife, and it was just too much.
What do you mean? arent all the gods robots now?
What if elune is just a really powerful Naaru
Void undead paladins incoming ???? Would be awesome
I JUst fOUND OUT CHRIST METZEN IS BACK !?! When did this happen? Last i heard he was retiring. holy shit holy shit
You pointed to "Watch this video" at the end and there was nothing there...
This video flew over my head. Odin? Eanar? Freya? Feels like the whole video went into some weird side-tangent. I thought we talking about Elune? is she a robot? is she hot? all i wanna know bro
Didnt Shadowlands ruin Elune's importance? Im pretty sure the Winterqueen mentions her as a sister, as in the same powerlevel.
This doesn't mean that Elune is weak. The Titans call themselves siblings, but Sargeras and Aman'thul are definitely more powerful than the rest. Just like Zoval and Primus in the panthoen of Eternal ones.
I just realized how postmodern/millennial Warcraft has become over time: a fantasy universe that slowly rejected or destroyed or trivialized or commoditized the mystique of all its gods and greater than life powers.
Chris Metzen returning to WoW is probably the biggest news ive heard from WoW. I am extremely excited about The War Within and that is only because bobby fuckface is gone and Metzen is back!
somehow i get the feeling that Elune is an alter-ego of Eonar...
Elune is clearly a deity of spirit, rather than life per se. It seems obvious to me, but I could be wrong.
Well her priestesses and druid star themed spells all deal arcane damage.
So Elunes affiliation since wc3bis defenately arcane based. Even into BFA as Night warrior Tyrandas magic is the arcane baded star shower. Or turn into one herself to chase Sylvanas etc.
What if the crystal is a prison holding Elune. Forced there and butting the titans?
If Elune was imprisoned, and we really talked to her in Ardenweald, don’t you think she would’ve said something like ‘Btw, I’m imprisoned, this is where I am, send lawyers, guns and money, etc.’, or something along those lines?
@@JPLOWMAN2 yea that’s a good point lol just an idea
I don't think there is any sense in Elune being in the crystal at all. But I find it highly possible that the circular yellow ring prison in the logo of "The Last Titan" could be holding Elune and not the world soul at all. It may even be that Elune agreed to be imprisoned on purpose by her friend the Life-Binder Eonar....... because perhaps Elune is a dual personality both bright and dark; and being imprisoned while bright would mean she is imprisoned while dark. So they can limit her evil powers by keeping her imprisoned all the time.
@@laertesindeed I like that!
I appreciate that this is a late piece of lore, but yesterday I found a book in the tower above Sinfall in SL. It appears to be a dreadlord's report to Sire D. It briefly describes every superpower in WOW and refers to life as their biggest enemy. It made a connection to me that - based on Winter Queen's remarks - Elune is a Life player and that could mean that she is not aligned with Titans by her nature
Eonar is the most sus character in the game, she is using Elune as a mask 99%, Amanthul as 2nd. Sarg got dominated while cleaving worlds, check his art, dom runes on him + blue eyes + runes on sword too, not a coincidence Anduin got showed how domination works.. Titans planned everything, cant wait to deal with them. Sarg could have destroyed Azeroth easily with that sword, instead he aimed at something (Azeroth's prison, Azeroth's heart, or at something else) with his last attempt.
And here I thought this was a video about Asmongold
The Titans are basically the Christians of our world, changing old world religions to suit their belief, erasing anything that condtradicts it and not being too fond of the idea that they might be wrong.
Although I suppose all six Cosmic Forces are like this.
Norse religion was one pantheon of gods taking over the previous religion of the scandinavian peoples thus becoming the new pantheon (vanir to aesir) . Hindu religion was a previous religion of the dravidian people being squashed and replaced by the warrior invaders of the indo-europeans that replaced all of the old pantheon with that of the new Hindu one. Jewish religion was all about a previous religion and pantheon being replaced by yahweh (judeah to israel) . All of Roman religion was one pantheon replacing the greek one and erasing anything that contradicted that takeover. It could be argued that "every" religion forms from replacing the old one.
According to the devs, she’s just being not just a god, but may well be GOD God.
Nope. Shadowlands made it clear Elune is the counterpart of the Winter Queen. The WQ even calls Elune her sister, so Elune is on the same power level of the Titans.
That was "never" said or even hinted at by any developer.
@@josejuanandrade4439 No, Elune is not on the same power level of the Titans. The Titans are from the material plane - they're born from world souls, their souls go to the Shadowlands when they die instead of a cosmic plane of Order/Arcane, and they don't turn into defunct space robots when they die. The Titans are the equivalent of the Old Gods or the Naaru, just an order of magnitude more powerful, give or take. The Winter Queen - and by association, Elune - are on par with the Void Lords or the hypothetical Light Lords.
@@laertesindeed and yet through in game descriptions like the dreamsaber and blue flames phoenixes seems that things that probably should be attributed to an’she are given to elune instead.
Almost like once the devs have to think outside of night elves, humans and orcs, their brains fucking go blue screens and they forget what they were suppose to do and just keep piling on more shit for those races to have.
@@vinnythewebsurfer Nothing you just typed has anything to do with my reply..... so you put the at symbol and my name for no reason. Meanwhile, my reply remains true...... no developer ever said what you typed in the original post. You are, therefore, a liar.
Elune Is the titan of life, winter queen is Elune sister
so WQ is a titan of death? cuz i don't think there's any such thing. I think the term "sister" is purposefully vague in this case
The word sister is entirely symbolic..... and has nothing to do at all with genetic relationships at all. Aman'thul also called Sargeras the word "brother" when we know they are not related.
Xal'atath named Na'ru brothers but they are crealry not related and looks complete diffrent. I think all this siblings stuff is only symbolic. Winter Queen maybe treats her like an older sister because she gave her advice and taught her the magic of life long time ago. She's just a role model
Sargeras = SAR-jer-oss
according to WC2
Let elune fucking be a mystery. Like souls games not everything has to be shown. Shadow lands is proof. Really killed wow for me.
Elune, the biggest chump god of all time
Void paladin!!!!!
Elune is the best god in warcraft! people who did't see it just ignore the lore!
What if Elune is not even a personality itself. I suppose she (or to say correct IT) might be a cosmic mechanism. Some kind of an algorithm that was made by the primordial ones and supposed to keep balance between all cosmic realms so that they couldn't destroy each other. And Azeroth might be the key to shut the entire mechanism down considering amount of various unnatural technologies within the planet. That might explain why Elune was represented in so many races' religions and beliefs by many of her names. It's not a goddess but a script that provides mortals powers to protect them.
7:46 mommy?
The bots are getting out of control in the comments Michael 😅
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The last true god of WoW is Bobby Kotick, it's his world and we're just living in it.
I'd honestly support just retconing Shadowlands out of the game, it was a bad dream, let's pretend it never happened.
All this lore is overblown and just new iterations of the same stories and structures. I miss when Warcraft was just about orcs vs humans and we were just obsessed with raiding black rock mountain!
I personally didn't have an issue with the Shadowlands storyline and it revealed that the Titans weren't telling the whole story (i.e. the realms existed before the eternal ones).
To be fair, we've known with absolute certainty that the Ashbringer crystal was the heart of a Naaru for a very long time.
That's why he is using that to give stability to his "other" claim about the hallowfall crystal. You've got your logic totally backwards.
I always disliked the sheer mundanity of the Titans. They never seemed divine so much as powerful aliens playing god and I was tremendously disappointed they were "stronger" than actual gods for much of the later lore. Personally, I'm hoping this breaks away from that and gives us some mysticism again, rather than explaining everything and thuzs stripping the magic from Elune as well.
Thicc
I despise what they did with elune idk if there's any way to reconcile it for me.
I am like number 890
iMeraldDream?
Tauren & Trolls had an elemental origin? They had connections to the Loa for trolls and earth mother for Tauren, but elemental origins? I couldn't find any evidence of that.
Also, WoWpedia has this statement about the Emerald Dream: _"Freya, one of the nine titan-forged Keepers, created the Emerald Dream during the Ordering of Azeroth to serve as the underlying blueprint for the planet."_ which is confusing because Bellular states the origin is well before the ordering.
I'm confused.
Ah, if I just didn't stop and comment and played further, the video says with respect to The Emerald Dream:
Patch 10.2's lorebook named _"On The Nature of The Dream" states "Seeking an answer, I have spoken to many spirits who inhabit the Dream. Dryads, ancients, grove keepers, and others. None of them tell of a titan creating the Dream._
_So did they truly create the Dream, or merely discover it, seeing its vibrancy as chaos to which they were compelled to bring structure?"_
My running theory is that the Light and the Void are one and the same and not at all altruistic. Not only the priests can use both disturbingly easily, even Elune and the Naaru flip around basically on a whim. It's the two sides of the same coin. There can be no light without the darkness, and no darkness without the light. The light grows civilizations only to come back as void to consume them.
Imagine light/void as a parasite. Invade any of the Life's domains, act like a good little symbiotic force to boost the civilization, and when they reach the right stage, FEAST till there's nothing left, then move on.