In the end whatever choices you will get, people will still try to optimize the best way to get them (unless you provide really good time = effort balance) but I do agree, I would love to see at least two different options for each step and maybe some easy (not consuming much time) mid steps, to feel a pause in small grinds. Anima grinds are totally okay with me (due to possibility of doing unrestricted content) and I wouldn't mind something bit more similar, but maybe without need to get So many tomes as in Heavensward for each step :)
You got the right words, disappointing, uninspired and lazy. That's how I feel about it. Tomes are a nice alternative, not a good main (and only) way of doing it
In SB, people complained about the process of relic weapons there. In SHB they complained about the steps there. People will always complain about it. Instead of complaining, they should be glad if the steps are as easy and fast as they are for the Manderville relics. On this way you can get all of them without much effort. Nobody who has ever grinded out any relic weapon ever said it was fun. Not even an Anima weapon. Perhaps for the first time it's intriguing, but when you have at it a second time you feel reluctant to pull through. Why? Because you know in the end it's just for a glam or an achievement, nothing else. However, I do agree that they should use more existing content for people to go back to so it doesn't die out. As long as it's not grindy it will be ok and players will embrace it. For example, I did like the idea of going back into PotD for Timeworn Artifacts, even though I despise Deep Dungeons I did not mind, but the turnover and odds of even getting 1 were way too low and made them too painful to acquire.
I started to play FF XIV around April, and have been playing like crazy. I finished my Heavensward weapon and like you, i am very dissapointed that the first relic that i can do when it's current is just a tome grind. I feel one of the absolute strenght of the game is how it pushes people to do old content for new player to enjoy ( especially as a former wow player ), and the relic could do just that. Love your channel !
I know it's not the most popular opinion but I'm actually all in for tomestone relics *this time* Having an option that will perennially exist for people to spend their mid level tomes will make mats more expensive and give people a good choice for what to do with them: make money or get another relic glam. There's literally four sets of "fun" relic grinds to do already. Doing Bozja relics now is a logistical nightmare getting people to run DR, efficiently. (It can be done but it's just a grind on a grind.) Eureka still is a thing but again takes more planning on your part for groups. If they keep adding more and more relics with cumbersome steps, it'll just go to make the other ones that much harder to grind if you didn't do it back when it was relevant.
I am not. Tome gear costs tomestones. Crafting materials cost tomestones. Weapons cost tomestones. I don't wanna spam the same 2 dungeons for a week to get what i want.
I liked this more than doing fates. At least with tomestones you can do a wide variety of content, dungeons, trials, raids, hunts, Wondrous Tails for them. Also, Heavensward's relic was a lot of tomestones and everyone loves everything about HW
As someone who tried extremes for the first time recently, really love your suggestion related to it :D I was scared at first but then noticing its not that monster I used to think of, I'm super happy for taking the jump. Many people new to raiding would get the same feeling as me AND progress the relic at same time! win-win ^^ asphodelos normal is also a pain to unlock, I was on my alt as tank and still took forever, I'm glad for being up to date now because abyssos raids are on the same fate soon... current end game shouldn't be dead like this. They didn't mention any feedback regarding criterion dungeons rewards as well which makes me worried, its okay if the first time didn't work because it was a test but a second time? Gosh I personally hate that quote "Yoshi-p said its okay to take breaks when you are burn out"... just because you can, doesn't mean the game should actively push you out of it with uninteresting content to force you onto a break. And lets be honest, if you have a house you cant really take breaks lmaooo ain't giving up my mansion xD
@@anteprs7908 I dont understand what you tried to say, sorry xD but I'm not asking for 24/7 worth of content, I'm asking for things to not be as stale as they are atm
Most extremes can be solo'd when ur lvl 90 at this point. Just those of ShB and endwalker can't be done alone or with two people. Even then, they're not Very hard. But difficult enough you probably won't get a clear at your first few tries due to mechanics you don't know :) But be persistent, learn patterns and from ur mistakes and its totaly doable :) I've done Up to the ShB patch trials, and done The first EX in endwalker last weekend. Only got 1 clear on it BUT i learned alot in a few hours
Why does everyone forget the mount tha drops in criterion normal? Took my friend 18 runs to get the drop and you need 25 runs to buy with coins. Sure it's not the best mount but "you only need to run it once" isn't true unless you get super lucky.
@@Hugo-MTX96 alas it's just a joke, once the endwalker relic switches to using poetics in 7.0 onwards, you can just sink the big pile of poetics that eureka and bozja generate into manderville materials
As someone both new to 14 (started in March) and just recently finished my first Anima weapon (Bard), and progressing my first complete Eureka weapon (Dark Knight, gonna start Pyros soon), the grind is fun, it's how I pace my MSQ (at 5.3) run as well as I don't want to rush it. Being able to supplement a grind with tomes is no issue at all IMO, but it JUST being tomes sounds lame, it'll be nice to get cool free weapons when i hit 90 and all that but, that's not as fun. Incentivizing old content would be great too! I find catching up on normal difficulty 8-man raids to be kinda boring, since stuff dies pretty quickly unless people forget mechanics, so it'd be cool to be able to ask my level 90 homies to help me do them (stuff with friends is always more fun) WHILE they also progress something they would want. It'd also help queues like you mentioned, I only did Ivalice and Nier DURING the recent moogle tome event because of short queues, and I'm willing to bet that even with the change to AR Roulette, the queue times have shot back up again, which could be helped by giving incentives like you mentioned! Hope that the rest of the Manderville series improves, or that at the very least they don't repeat the issue in Dawntrail.
The point about being able to complete pure tome weapons by accident is the one that really bugs me. Passive I like, easy is fine, but it feels bad that it takes more thought to buy crafting materials with your tomes to make gill than it does to funnel the currency towards a weapon that should feel cool. And I haven't heard anyone else complain about this so it might just be me, but the thing I liked about using poetics for older relics is getting to play a job that isn't at level 90 and do old content, which will eventually be the case when level 90 isn't the cap and the manderville relics are transitioned to poetics, but as it stands needing the tome drops from level 90 stuff actively discourages me from doing old content. I've got a friend who's playing through old raids and trials for the first time and wanting to do them with level sync, so every time think I think about how a relic quest that incentivises level synced runs of that stuff in party finder would help get through those it makes me disappointed. Overall I do like being able to gear up jobs casually with decent weapons through the relics, so having tomes be an option is really nice. Just wish it was an option alongside some older content.
Wasn't around for any past relic when they were relevant. I've completed an Anima, and am halfway through a Resistance though. Anima was not the most fun, but I made the mistake of powering through it when I was feeling a bit of general burnout on the game. That grind over an entire expansion would have been cool. But I've LOVED Bozja. Getting to do near max level play, and feel like I'm making real progress both on the weapon, and Bozja itself has been great. I get we can't get that every expansion. But doing anything besides the usual roulettes (which almost always stick me with either ARR/HW content, or the same few level 90 dungeons) would feel like a relief. Eden, Omega, Ivalice, NieR, even have Eureka and Bozja as an option to gain materials for the new relic (see; OPTION). Not to mention Variant/Criterion, and Eureka Orthos. So much dead or nearly dead higher level content to use. It's not the end of the world, but I feel like there is so much more that could be done.
Honestly, I think that Light steps in previous relics were the perfect middle ground between being able to min-max the relic and grind it out as fast as possible, while also allowing the relic to be completed somewhat passively. Light farms stopped people from pre-grinding, which is a big issue with the current relic for me, where you'd just grind all your 1500 tomestones before the patch even comes out, walk up, turn in, relic done. That sucks! Asisgning different amounts of Light to different content will incentivize people to do it, and revitalize old content. People will make parties to farm it out efficiently. And you won't have to specifically farm for it constantly, as it's something that accumulates by completing any instanced content in the game. I think the current relic is just a worse version of this idea, because it lets you pre-grind, it's not special, it doesn't incentivize you to do content, etc. It's a failure on fronts, except that you can very passively cap tomes, not even realize, and then just simply have a relic. TLDR: give us light farms cowards
I don't think that it's that bad. Imagine grinding Zeta unsync when only ARR existed. And for me hunt trains sounds interesting. I'm interested in all content - had at least one relic - because I'm curios how each of them farms, dungeons, post questline, trials, raids I hope you've got me here. And I've tried hunt one time for alexandrite farm. Spent like an half of an hour walking around location and never cared about it again. Now I'm interested in that contant - since everyone farm hunt I wanna look how it actually plays.
I did the ARR Zodiac weapon when it was current, I skipped HW, and came back for Stormblood and did that relic series while it was current. I also did Shadowbringers, and now Endwalker. ARR was by far the worst Relic weapon I have done thus far. Im cool with an easy relic weapon here and there.
Smol Mariko here to drop paragraphs of text out of nowhere as I seem to do: I do be on the "Its not grindy enough or not interesting of a relic" side of thing but I also know more casual players, with full time jobs making them unable to play more than few hours of this game and they play it maybe once or twice a week if lil less. For them (When I was helping them trough Sophia Unreal), they said they liked the relic because it wasn't a large grind like the other and that they were able to obtain said relic, while still able to enjoy the other contents they wanted to try. So I suppose to some people a Relic Weapon is seen only as a weapon to help get better itlv, some truly don't care nor want the grind. It is a very large community, there's lots of head and different people. I do think what you brought up as what could be done, redoing older content to help it being more active would be good. I personally would LOVE a Fate grind in ShB or EW zones cause there's so much stuff requiring gemstone, it would be great being able to work on a Relic and Gem Farm at once. In a way I'm a bit bias, I ADORE the expedition zones [Eureka/Bozja/Zadnor] so I am one of the person who really wanted one, but I'm also not too upset there's not, since I can work on my Eureka Relics and other things like Deep Dungeons :) It's a weird topic, there's no right or wrong to if this is truly a bad relic design. It appeals, I think, mostly to those lacking time to put into the game, but also can let us completionnist type of gals work on something else than a relic grind [Been working on crafting and Mahjong achievements]. I personally am letting it slide for this Expansion, hoping it goes a different way for the next one or some later step. We've yet seen it all, so maybe :)
on one hand I love that it's easier to get multiple relics, BUT because of that it doesn't feel like a relic weapon at all. I main sage, so I'm very disappointed that the only available relic to me is just a glorified shop. And I can't experience the same journey other jobs had with previous relics.
I kinda felt the same way about it. For one side I have no issue to take a break to play other video games like Yakuza 7, but sometimes that argument of play other games is a falacy brcause it souns as: Do as you wish, and I care not for what you do. Personaly, I found myself a way to play the game without pushing myself as I must do all the hard content facing a huge wall betwen the hard content and coordinate with people to conect. I am tacking it as a more relaxing experience playing FF14. But I can understand that feeling of getting something powerfull by puting us in a very hard grind, and I cant complainy about it because the memory of making the Bozja relic is way more memorable than just paying coins to a random npc without farming a huge amount of something else.
I'll never understand people who say "I only have time to play for 20 minutes once a week so i like tomes :)" Why do you care about the relic if you dont play the game? If you wanna take screenshots theres mods for any weapon you could want, as well as many, many alternative glowing weapons you can buy (and if the relic isn't at least somewhat grindy, there's no point in showing it off.) If you want the ilvl power just buy the crafted weapon or tome weapon, it'll do you just fine for your weekly 20minutes.
This is the first relic I've ever made. I started playing XIV when ARR launched, but life got in the way a LOT so I really only subbed at every expansion launch to catch up on MSQ, then disappear. This is the first time I've stayed subbed and done a BUNCH of cool shit. I'm dissapointed in this relic, because it feels like all you need is an active subscription and a pulse and you get a relic. I'd have rather had to do some stuff to earn it.
Honestly, I like it better that way. I hated the old relic quests. Running through fates and hoping for random drops or slogging through dungeons with a 24 minute queue time minimum was the most tedious shit imaginable.
This was my first relic weapon and im glad i got it and all but going back through just feels so annoying i basically just to 90 and and expert roulettes for my tomes and ik how much people have told me to avoid the arr relic weapons cause of how tedious they are but even there the game forces you to do things you most likely avoided
I think the Manderville weapons have been fine so far. For context, I have done every relic since ARR as current content and my favorite steps are usually ones that I can complete passively. I have over 100 raw emotions/timeworn artifacts just from doing solo deep dungeon attempts. I dump my poetics into HW relics as needed. I absolutely hate stuff that's like, run this raid 50 times or these fates 60 times or do these dungeons in this order. It's not fun and I feel like my time is being wasted. In regards to the new raid tier, it's ok to have an endgame currency used for multiple things, especially in a game like final fantasy that lacks...meaningful choices. Some people will prioritize relic mats, others will choose crafting mats but that will ultimately be good for the economy. Crafting mats are generally way too cheap, and as a Gil maker, I look forward to those prices going up. We'll see how the rest of the relic goes. If it really is just 4 steps of 1500 tomes, that's probably a little too basic. Some things I wouldn't mind seeing are repeatable weekly quests, such as, do all 4 normal raids in a tier or do lvl 90 dungeon roulette 3 times a week. Just something with a weekly reset so it doesn't feel like grinding but it still takes time. As for this step being lazy...idk if I agree. Both Bozja and Eureka exist independently from relic and can ben enjoyed fully without even doing relic. These weapons are just tacked on in the form of item drops or "light" grinding. I'm not sure what development resources go into these weapons but I wouldn't be surprised if most of the recourses go into the weapon designs themselves and very little go into the questing part. If they are lazy now, I think they might've always been lazy. I'm sorry I typed so much. Hopefully, I gave voice to those that think this current relic isn't great but think it's just....you know, ok.
I rarely ever do hunt trains after the enemies become undergeared and melt without many people dying, for this relic I just do deep dungeons and pvp while I farm achievements for those.
The way I see it, if the old content is good then you shouldn't need an incentive to go back to it. The problem isn't tomes, its how few tomes you actually need. I definitly don't want to do the BS of the ARR relics ever again, and the the stormblood and shadowbringers relics were too boring, but the heavensward relics were great since they could be done either as a slow side project, or a fulfilling but not too tediouse grind if you wanted to take a much more active aproach to it. Assuming the rest of the steps for EW relics will be the same, they should have at least tripled the tomes for each step. It would be funny though if every step was really cheap like it is now, but then the last was something crazy like needing 50 mats that cost the same as the previous steps mats. But yeah fuck the ARR books. You'll never convince me that those were ever a good or enjoyable idea.
It’s just the first two steps. Normally the first two steps of the relic are easy then they make it really hard. How about we wait till 6.45 drops before we start complaining. People are so quick to disrespect the devs by calling their work lazy and uninspired WHEN THE WHOLE RELIC WEAPON PROCESS ISNT EVEN OUT YET LOL. watch they will make you farm fates and trials with a .0000001% drop rate for whatever item then all people will find a reason to complain again. This is crazy haha. Hey if I’m wrong in the end and EVERY SINGLE STEP IS TOMES then sure I’ll complain. But the relic weapon just started. Give it a chance first. Like you see what other content they are giving us. The devs are anything but lazy and uninspired. Yoshi P has a ffxvi collab on the way and he has been developing ffxvi along side giving us content for ffxiv. What’s next ppl will complain about a high chair…oh wait people are already complaining about that too lolol. To call endwalker a flop because you didn’t get the relic grind you wanted and just ignore everything else they did for us is stupid. Give it some time people before you complain. Play Zelda like yoshi p or something else. The devs will pull through and give us more good content. I’d rather be positive then spread this negativity when the relic grind just started.
@@car-keys is the relic weapon quest over and all steps are out? All I’m saying is that people are so quick to to disrespect the devs when they don’t get what they want from the beginning. What if it’s tomes and farming fates and ex trials or maybe what if the ffxvi collab is an exploration zone for the relic with the characters in it. You never know until it happens. He gave brief answer in an interview and people are losing their shit. It’s hilarious lol.
Idk i was really hoping the relics would give me something new to do with that game but now im just like oh I'll run my dailies... And then not even have enough for one
Deffinetly saying the manderville relic UNLOCK is just annoying most of the time. Not so bad if ur up to date with Hildibrand... NOT fun if you gotta start from ARR onwards. Its very much lacking anything in the terms of creativity... The fact its JUST tomes for most of the relic stuffs, idk... doing Lapis manalis and Troia 50 times is getting boring. Sure they are very strong... but its a bit annoying to grind the same dungeons constantly... ESPECIALY since you mentioned it, crafting items and tome gear cost the same shit.... it just requires SO MUCH MORE dungeon runs I done 2 Relic weapons in about a week without without skipping hildibrand cutscenes. For the rest, i think ima just do it casualy now i have the 2 weapons i really wanted
My favorite part of the game is grinding for relic weapons. Especially when there's nothing better to do between patches for a Casual player like me. I miss the days of spending all day running Delubrum Reginae and never getting bored of it. I got bored of roulettes so fucking fast and the fact that 80% of these weapons are ugly (Compared to ShB) is even more unmotivating.
doubt a real casual would do midcore content to got relics anima sure but arr,erueka and bozja no not casual content and doing them isnt what casual player does but a midcore one
@@anteprs7908 I find it to be pretty casual if I'm taking my time with it, as I was doing these on my days off from work. I haven't and probably won't ever be doing Eureka though.
@@J_Mirae it not casual content it midcore at least the relics grind of previous expantion. some ppl find ultimate and savage casuals dont mean they are.
Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorists but ngl I have a theory that they wanted to keep the relic grind light this year so that vast majority of players for 14 could step away from the game to play ff16 when it came out without losing out on any big grinds! Probably not at all the case but had me thinking though
I miss having involved steps for relic weapons. I am ok with not getting a Eureka or Bozja every expac, but this way of getting relics? This ain't it. And yeah anima is also just a tome sink as well, but the main key difference is you're also engaging with parts of the game that you would not normally do. I 1000% agree they should've incentivized going into Ivalice, Nier, Eden, Asphodelos, or Variant/Criterion or any content that most people would not run through again unless roulette throughs them in there. HELL, Eureka Orthos. Why isn't the current step involving us to go into Eureka Orthos? Even if it's just the starting floors or 31-40. I don't know if I'd want book step back though, but if the part for fates being a certain rare fate to just fates done in day or night, or weather conditions, I feel that would be specific enough. I'm of the mindset that the relic grinding is they way it is because they're also working on/were working on FFXVI(It's gone gold). But if the relics for next expac is a repeat of this one's? I'm not particularly gonna be pleased
while I'm glad the relic weapon is easy to get, but it's feels cheap as so called "relic weapon" and it's just feels wrong, and I don't feel earn anything, might as well as call it a glamour weapon. the design and shiny is great tho, I love the Reaper ones and it might be the best weapon looks RPR have, arguably better shaped than extreme/ultimates.
I think it’s fine. As some one who has 4 zodiark weapons and 3 anima when I get to the Manderville weapons it will be cool to not have to spend over an week of non-stop grinding to get past 1 step. Some times I have less than 2 hrs to play the game as I am a Nurse and sometimes work long hrs. Don’t get me wrong, it’s super rewarding for every ARR relic I get but if there is only 1 set that’s not that bad to get. I don’t mind.
I think the type of casual this appeals to is the type that hated exploratory content or anything that actually makes them play the game, and just want to spam ranged attack on a tank during hunt trains so they can go back to afking in Limsa with their shiny relic or something.
it appeals to most of us casuals but it doesnt appeal to midcore and hardcore player who think they are casuals.ppl can grind them anyway they want somebody will do dailys other will do hunt it a choice
most casuals finally get to do the relics and dont have to grind for weeks ppl who are mad about it are the midcore and hardcore players i am fine with adding hardcore option but removing the 1,5 k tome is a fuck you to casuals player and that a big not.
In the end whatever choices you will get, people will still try to optimize the best way to get them (unless you provide really good time = effort balance) but I do agree, I would love to see at least two different options for each step and maybe some easy (not consuming much time) mid steps, to feel a pause in small grinds. Anima grinds are totally okay with me (due to possibility of doing unrestricted content) and I wouldn't mind something bit more similar, but maybe without need to get So many tomes as in Heavensward for each step :)
You got the right words, disappointing, uninspired and lazy. That's how I feel about it. Tomes are a nice alternative, not a good main (and only) way of doing it
In SB, people complained about the process of relic weapons there. In SHB they complained about the steps there.
People will always complain about it. Instead of complaining, they should be glad if the steps are as easy and fast as they are for the Manderville relics. On this way you can get all of them without much effort.
Nobody who has ever grinded out any relic weapon ever said it was fun. Not even an Anima weapon. Perhaps for the first time it's intriguing, but when you have at it a second time you feel reluctant to pull through. Why? Because you know in the end it's just for a glam or an achievement, nothing else.
However, I do agree that they should use more existing content for people to go back to so it doesn't die out. As long as it's not grindy it will be ok and players will embrace it. For example, I did like the idea of going back into PotD for Timeworn Artifacts, even though I despise Deep Dungeons I did not mind, but the turnover and odds of even getting 1 were way too low and made them too painful to acquire.
I started to play FF XIV around April, and have been playing like crazy. I finished my Heavensward weapon and like you, i am very dissapointed that the first relic that i can do when it's current is just a tome grind. I feel one of the absolute strenght of the game is how it pushes people to do old content for new player to enjoy ( especially as a former wow player ), and the relic could do just that. Love your channel !
I know it's not the most popular opinion but I'm actually all in for tomestone relics *this time* Having an option that will perennially exist for people to spend their mid level tomes will make mats more expensive and give people a good choice for what to do with them: make money or get another relic glam.
There's literally four sets of "fun" relic grinds to do already. Doing Bozja relics now is a logistical nightmare getting people to run DR, efficiently. (It can be done but it's just a grind on a grind.) Eureka still is a thing but again takes more planning on your part for groups. If they keep adding more and more relics with cumbersome steps, it'll just go to make the other ones that much harder to grind if you didn't do it back when it was relevant.
I am not. Tome gear costs tomestones. Crafting materials cost tomestones. Weapons cost tomestones. I don't wanna spam the same 2 dungeons for a week to get what i want.
I liked this more than doing fates. At least with tomestones you can do a wide variety of content, dungeons, trials, raids, hunts, Wondrous Tails for them. Also, Heavensward's relic was a lot of tomestones and everyone loves everything about HW
As someone who tried extremes for the first time recently, really love your suggestion related to it :D I was scared at first but then noticing its not that monster I used to think of, I'm super happy for taking the jump. Many people new to raiding would get the same feeling as me AND progress the relic at same time! win-win ^^ asphodelos normal is also a pain to unlock, I was on my alt as tank and still took forever, I'm glad for being up to date now because abyssos raids are on the same fate soon... current end game shouldn't be dead like this. They didn't mention any feedback regarding criterion dungeons rewards as well which makes me worried, its okay if the first time didn't work because it was a test but a second time?
Gosh I personally hate that quote "Yoshi-p said its okay to take breaks when you are burn out"... just because you can, doesn't mean the game should actively push you out of it with uninteresting content to force you onto a break. And lets be honest, if you have a house you cant really take breaks lmaooo ain't giving up my mansion xD
well you can do to content in ffxiv you might not like the game has much stuff to do saying it should over 24/7 of content you need if simple egoist
@@anteprs7908 I dont understand what you tried to say, sorry xD but I'm not asking for 24/7 worth of content, I'm asking for things to not be as stale as they are atm
@@junneshi3833 them being stale is nothing but your opinion most would disagree
Most extremes can be solo'd when ur lvl 90 at this point. Just those of ShB and endwalker can't be done alone or with two people.
Even then, they're not Very hard. But difficult enough you probably won't get a clear at your first few tries due to mechanics you don't know :)
But be persistent, learn patterns and from ur mistakes and its totaly doable :)
I've done Up to the ShB patch trials, and done The first EX in endwalker last weekend. Only got 1 clear on it BUT i learned alot in a few hours
@@cherrydragon3120 extremes are often midcore to hardcore diffuculty but it depend on the extreme
Why does everyone forget the mount tha drops in criterion normal? Took my friend 18 runs to get the drop and you need 25 runs to buy with coins. Sure it's not the best mount but "you only need to run it once" isn't true unless you get super lucky.
Isn’t it cool how they’re going to add a shared set of relics to Eureka and Bozja in 7.0?
Source?
@@Hugo-MTX96 alas it's just a joke, once the endwalker relic switches to using poetics in 7.0 onwards, you can just sink the big pile of poetics that eureka and bozja generate into manderville materials
@@coaster1235 oh lmao aw man
As someone both new to 14 (started in March) and just recently finished my first Anima weapon (Bard), and progressing my first complete Eureka weapon (Dark Knight, gonna start Pyros soon), the grind is fun, it's how I pace my MSQ (at 5.3) run as well as I don't want to rush it.
Being able to supplement a grind with tomes is no issue at all IMO, but it JUST being tomes sounds lame, it'll be nice to get cool free weapons when i hit 90 and all that but, that's not as fun.
Incentivizing old content would be great too! I find catching up on normal difficulty 8-man raids to be kinda boring, since stuff dies pretty quickly unless people forget mechanics, so it'd be cool to be able to ask my level 90 homies to help me do them (stuff with friends is always more fun) WHILE they also progress something they would want.
It'd also help queues like you mentioned, I only did Ivalice and Nier DURING the recent moogle tome event because of short queues, and I'm willing to bet that even with the change to AR Roulette, the queue times have shot back up again, which could be helped by giving incentives like you mentioned!
Hope that the rest of the Manderville series improves, or that at the very least they don't repeat the issue in Dawntrail.
The point about being able to complete pure tome weapons by accident is the one that really bugs me. Passive I like, easy is fine, but it feels bad that it takes more thought to buy crafting materials with your tomes to make gill than it does to funnel the currency towards a weapon that should feel cool. And I haven't heard anyone else complain about this so it might just be me, but the thing I liked about using poetics for older relics is getting to play a job that isn't at level 90 and do old content, which will eventually be the case when level 90 isn't the cap and the manderville relics are transitioned to poetics, but as it stands needing the tome drops from level 90 stuff actively discourages me from doing old content.
I've got a friend who's playing through old raids and trials for the first time and wanting to do them with level sync, so every time think I think about how a relic quest that incentivises level synced runs of that stuff in party finder would help get through those it makes me disappointed.
Overall I do like being able to gear up jobs casually with decent weapons through the relics, so having tomes be an option is really nice. Just wish it was an option alongside some older content.
Wasn't around for any past relic when they were relevant. I've completed an Anima, and am halfway through a Resistance though.
Anima was not the most fun, but I made the mistake of powering through it when I was feeling a bit of general burnout on the game. That grind over an entire expansion would have been cool.
But I've LOVED Bozja. Getting to do near max level play, and feel like I'm making real progress both on the weapon, and Bozja itself has been great. I get we can't get that every expansion. But doing anything besides the usual roulettes (which almost always stick me with either ARR/HW content, or the same few level 90 dungeons) would feel like a relief. Eden, Omega, Ivalice, NieR, even have Eureka and Bozja as an option to gain materials for the new relic (see; OPTION). Not to mention Variant/Criterion, and Eureka Orthos. So much dead or nearly dead higher level content to use.
It's not the end of the world, but I feel like there is so much more that could be done.
Honestly, I think that Light steps in previous relics were the perfect middle ground between being able to min-max the relic and grind it out as fast as possible, while also allowing the relic to be completed somewhat passively. Light farms stopped people from pre-grinding, which is a big issue with the current relic for me, where you'd just grind all your 1500 tomestones before the patch even comes out, walk up, turn in, relic done. That sucks! Asisgning different amounts of Light to different content will incentivize people to do it, and revitalize old content. People will make parties to farm it out efficiently. And you won't have to specifically farm for it constantly, as it's something that accumulates by completing any instanced content in the game. I think the current relic is just a worse version of this idea, because it lets you pre-grind, it's not special, it doesn't incentivize you to do content, etc. It's a failure on fronts, except that you can very passively cap tomes, not even realize, and then just simply have a relic.
TLDR: give us light farms cowards
I don't think that it's that bad. Imagine grinding Zeta unsync when only ARR existed. And for me hunt trains sounds interesting. I'm interested in all content - had at least one relic - because I'm curios how each of them farms, dungeons, post questline, trials, raids I hope you've got me here. And I've tried hunt one time for alexandrite farm. Spent like an half of an hour walking around location and never cared about it again. Now I'm interested in that contant - since everyone farm hunt I wanna look how it actually plays.
I did the ARR Zodiac weapon when it was current, I skipped HW, and came back for Stormblood and did that relic series while it was current. I also did Shadowbringers, and now Endwalker. ARR was by far the worst Relic weapon I have done thus far. Im cool with an easy relic weapon here and there.
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I do be on the "Its not grindy enough or not interesting of a relic" side of thing
but
I also know more casual players, with full time jobs making them unable to play more than few hours of this game and they play it maybe once or twice a week if lil less.
For them (When I was helping them trough Sophia Unreal), they said they liked the relic because it wasn't a large grind like the other and that they were able to obtain said relic, while still able to enjoy the other contents they wanted to try.
So I suppose to some people a Relic Weapon is seen only as a weapon to help get better itlv, some truly don't care nor want the grind.
It is a very large community, there's lots of head and different people.
I do think what you brought up as what could be done, redoing older content to help it being more active would be good. I personally would LOVE a Fate grind in ShB or EW zones cause there's so much stuff requiring gemstone, it would be great being able to work on a Relic and Gem Farm at once.
In a way I'm a bit bias, I ADORE the expedition zones [Eureka/Bozja/Zadnor] so I am one of the person who really wanted one, but I'm also not too upset there's not, since I can work on my Eureka Relics and other things like Deep Dungeons :)
It's a weird topic, there's no right or wrong to if this is truly a bad relic design. It appeals, I think, mostly to those lacking time to put into the game, but also can let us completionnist type of gals work on something else than a relic grind [Been working on crafting and Mahjong achievements]. I personally am letting it slide for this Expansion, hoping it goes a different way for the next one or some later step. We've yet seen it all, so maybe :)
on one hand I love that it's easier to get multiple relics, BUT because of that it doesn't feel like a relic weapon at all.
I main sage, so I'm very disappointed that the only available relic to me is just a glorified shop. And I can't experience the same journey other jobs had with previous relics.
I kinda felt the same way about it.
For one side I have no issue to take a break to play other video games like Yakuza 7, but sometimes that argument of play other games is a falacy brcause it souns as: Do as you wish, and I care not for what you do.
Personaly, I found myself a way to play the game without pushing myself as I must do all the hard content facing a huge wall betwen the hard content and coordinate with people to conect. I am tacking it as a more relaxing experience playing FF14.
But I can understand that feeling of getting something powerfull by puting us in a very hard grind, and I cant complainy about it because the memory of making the Bozja relic is way more memorable than just paying coins to a random npc without farming a huge amount of something else.
I'll never understand people who say "I only have time to play for 20 minutes once a week so i like tomes :)"
Why do you care about the relic if you dont play the game? If you wanna take screenshots theres mods for any weapon you could want, as well as many, many alternative glowing weapons you can buy (and if the relic isn't at least somewhat grindy, there's no point in showing it off.) If you want the ilvl power just buy the crafted weapon or tome weapon, it'll do you just fine for your weekly 20minutes.
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This is the first relic I've ever made. I started playing XIV when ARR launched, but life got in the way a LOT so I really only subbed at every expansion launch to catch up on MSQ, then disappear. This is the first time I've stayed subbed and done a BUNCH of cool shit. I'm dissapointed in this relic, because it feels like all you need is an active subscription and a pulse and you get a relic. I'd have rather had to do some stuff to earn it.
Only thing I will say is Normal Mode Eden is a part of the Resistance Weapon!
Ivalice Raids as well
Honestly, I like it better that way.
I hated the old relic quests.
Running through fates and hoping for random drops or slogging through dungeons with a 24 minute queue time minimum was the most tedious shit imaginable.
Stayed up till 3:43 AM for this video
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Comparing this to older one.
I prefer this on hunt trains
I hate grinds so this is good for me but I do agree that they should make extremes or something else a faster way to get tomes
This was my first relic weapon and im glad i got it and all but going back through just feels so annoying i basically just to 90 and and expert roulettes for my tomes and ik how much people have told me to avoid the arr relic weapons cause of how tedious they are but even there the game forces you to do things you most likely avoided
I think the Manderville weapons have been fine so far. For context, I have done every relic since ARR as current content and my favorite steps are usually ones that I can complete passively. I have over 100 raw emotions/timeworn artifacts just from doing solo deep dungeon attempts. I dump my poetics into HW relics as needed. I absolutely hate stuff that's like, run this raid 50 times or these fates 60 times or do these dungeons in this order. It's not fun and I feel like my time is being wasted.
In regards to the new raid tier, it's ok to have an endgame currency used for multiple things, especially in a game like final fantasy that lacks...meaningful choices. Some people will prioritize relic mats, others will choose crafting mats but that will ultimately be good for the economy. Crafting mats are generally way too cheap, and as a Gil maker, I look forward to those prices going up.
We'll see how the rest of the relic goes. If it really is just 4 steps of 1500 tomes, that's probably a little too basic. Some things I wouldn't mind seeing are repeatable weekly quests, such as, do all 4 normal raids in a tier or do lvl 90 dungeon roulette 3 times a week. Just something with a weekly reset so it doesn't feel like grinding but it still takes time.
As for this step being lazy...idk if I agree. Both Bozja and Eureka exist independently from relic and can ben enjoyed fully without even doing relic. These weapons are just tacked on in the form of item drops or "light" grinding. I'm not sure what development resources go into these weapons but I wouldn't be surprised if most of the recourses go into the weapon designs themselves and very little go into the questing part. If they are lazy now, I think they might've always been lazy.
I'm sorry I typed so much. Hopefully, I gave voice to those that think this current relic isn't great but think it's just....you know, ok.
when this current relic is downgraded to Poetics (I think 6.4 steps 1 & 2 might) the fastest way to grind tomes'll be Eureka
I rarely ever do hunt trains after the enemies become undergeared and melt without many people dying, for this relic I just do deep dungeons and pvp while I farm achievements for those.
The way I see it, if the old content is good then you shouldn't need an incentive to go back to it. The problem isn't tomes, its how few tomes you actually need. I definitly don't want to do the BS of the ARR relics ever again, and the the stormblood and shadowbringers relics were too boring, but the heavensward relics were great since they could be done either as a slow side project, or a fulfilling but not too tediouse grind if you wanted to take a much more active aproach to it.
Assuming the rest of the steps for EW relics will be the same, they should have at least tripled the tomes for each step. It would be funny though if every step was really cheap like it is now, but then the last was something crazy like needing 50 mats that cost the same as the previous steps mats.
But yeah fuck the ARR books. You'll never convince me that those were ever a good or enjoyable idea.
It’s just the first two steps. Normally the first two steps of the relic are easy then they make it really hard. How about we wait till 6.45 drops before we start complaining. People are so quick to disrespect the devs by calling their work lazy and uninspired WHEN THE WHOLE RELIC WEAPON PROCESS ISNT EVEN OUT YET LOL. watch they will make you farm fates and trials with a .0000001% drop rate for whatever item then all people will find a reason to complain again. This is crazy haha. Hey if I’m wrong in the end and EVERY SINGLE STEP IS TOMES then sure I’ll complain. But the relic weapon just started. Give it a chance first. Like you see what other content they are giving us. The devs are anything but lazy and uninspired. Yoshi P has a ffxvi collab on the way and he has been developing ffxvi along side giving us content for ffxiv. What’s next ppl will complain about a high chair…oh wait people are already complaining about that too lolol. To call endwalker a flop because you didn’t get the relic grind you wanted and just ignore everything else they did for us is stupid. Give it some time people before you complain. Play Zelda like yoshi p or something else. The devs will pull through and give us more good content. I’d rather be positive then spread this negativity when the relic grind just started.
They already said the next step will be the same
@@car-keys is the relic weapon quest over and all steps are out? All I’m saying is that people are so quick to to disrespect the devs when they don’t get what they want from the beginning. What if it’s tomes and farming fates and ex trials or maybe what if the ffxvi collab is an exploration zone for the relic with the characters in it. You never know until it happens. He gave brief answer in an interview and people are losing their shit. It’s hilarious lol.
Idk i was really hoping the relics would give me something new to do with that game but now im just like oh I'll run my dailies... And then not even have enough for one
Deffinetly saying the manderville relic UNLOCK is just annoying most of the time. Not so bad if ur up to date with Hildibrand... NOT fun if you gotta start from ARR onwards.
Its very much lacking anything in the terms of creativity...
The fact its JUST tomes for most of the relic stuffs, idk... doing Lapis manalis and Troia 50 times is getting boring.
Sure they are very strong... but its a bit annoying to grind the same dungeons constantly... ESPECIALY since you mentioned it, crafting items and tome gear cost the same shit.... it just requires SO MUCH MORE dungeon runs
I done 2 Relic weapons in about a week without without skipping hildibrand cutscenes. For the rest, i think ima just do it casualy now i have the 2 weapons i really wanted
My favorite part of the game is grinding for relic weapons. Especially when there's nothing better to do between patches for a Casual player like me. I miss the days of spending all day running Delubrum Reginae and never getting bored of it. I got bored of roulettes so fucking fast and the fact that 80% of these weapons are ugly (Compared to ShB) is even more unmotivating.
doubt a real casual would do midcore content to got relics anima sure but arr,erueka and bozja no not casual content and doing them isnt what casual player does but a midcore one
@@anteprs7908 I find it to be pretty casual if I'm taking my time with it, as I was doing these on my days off from work. I haven't and probably won't ever be doing Eureka though.
@@J_Mirae it not casual content it midcore at least the relics grind of previous expantion. some ppl find ultimate and savage casuals dont mean they are.
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Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorists but ngl I have a theory that they wanted to keep the relic grind light this year so that vast majority of players for 14 could step away from the game to play ff16 when it came out without losing out on any big grinds! Probably not at all the case but had me thinking though
I miss having involved steps for relic weapons. I am ok with not getting a Eureka or Bozja every expac, but this way of getting relics? This ain't it. And yeah anima is also just a tome sink as well, but the main key difference is you're also engaging with parts of the game that you would not normally do. I 1000% agree they should've incentivized going into Ivalice, Nier, Eden, Asphodelos, or Variant/Criterion or any content that most people would not run through again unless roulette throughs them in there. HELL, Eureka Orthos. Why isn't the current step involving us to go into Eureka Orthos? Even if it's just the starting floors or 31-40. I don't know if I'd want book step back though, but if the part for fates being a certain rare fate to just fates done in day or night, or weather conditions, I feel that would be specific enough.
I'm of the mindset that the relic grinding is they way it is because they're also working on/were working on FFXVI(It's gone gold). But if the relics for next expac is a repeat of this one's? I'm not particularly gonna be pleased
while I'm glad the relic weapon is easy to get, but it's feels cheap as so called "relic weapon" and it's just feels wrong, and I don't feel earn anything, might as well as call it a glamour weapon. the design and shiny is great tho, I love the Reaper ones and it might be the best weapon looks RPR have, arguably better shaped than extreme/ultimates.
Speaking facts. The relic is just terrible. And its not even BIS...
no instance map for relic absolutely suck. :(
I think it’s fine. As some one who has 4 zodiark weapons and 3 anima when I get to the Manderville weapons it will be cool to not have to spend over an week of non-stop grinding to get past 1 step. Some times I have less than 2 hrs to play the game as I am a Nurse and sometimes work long hrs. Don’t get me wrong, it’s super rewarding for every ARR relic I get but if there is only 1 set that’s not that bad to get. I don’t mind.
I wouldn't mind another book step.
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I think the type of casual this appeals to is the type that hated exploratory content or anything that actually makes them play the game, and just want to spam ranged attack on a tank during hunt trains so they can go back to afking in Limsa with their shiny relic or something.
it appeals to most of us casuals but it doesnt appeal to midcore and hardcore player who think they are casuals.ppl can grind them anyway they want somebody will do dailys other will do hunt it a choice
most casuals finally get to do the relics and dont have to grind for weeks ppl who are mad about it are the midcore and hardcore players i am fine with adding hardcore option but removing the 1,5 k tome is a fuck you to casuals player and that a big not.
Endwalker relic steps are boring and uninspired