The "Olympics of Go", Grand Final, Game 1

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  • @knotwilg3596
    @knotwilg3596 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A bent four doesn't really offer ko threats in the actual game to White, since Black can choose to launch the ko when all is done. The subtlety is that if there are other dead groups on the board which could be revived, then Black needs to add moves there to remove any ko threat. In Japanese rules he doesn't need to because bent four is dead by rule. In other rulesets the endgame becomes heavy on Black.
    Besides that question - best pro game commentary on the web!

    • @abrahamssonforth2647
      @abrahamssonforth2647 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But building the bent for shape is all ko threats and that what he meant I am sure.

  • @redreoicy6698
    @redreoicy6698 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great analysis!

  • @flosikfgsleijflsn6025
    @flosikfgsleijflsn6025 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great analysis and I love the UI!

  • @stevedonnelly8989
    @stevedonnelly8989 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    thanks for taking the time to explain that "flying knives" joseki in a really good way .... btw is it also the only AI joseki that has an old-school ninja-movie style name?

  • @tample16
    @tample16 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Telegraph, I really appreciate the fact that you do try to pronounce Chinese names, but if I could give a helpful tip, if you know the Chinese word for thank you (Xie xie), Xie Ke’s name can be pronounced with the same sounds

  • @Fanaro
    @Fanaro ปีที่แล้ว +2

    21:15 Watching BadukTV's broadcast, I had the impression the pro commentator showed a variation trying to demonstrate that Black N3 was actually unnecessary, but I'm not at all sure.

    • @telegraphgo
      @telegraphgo  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, sjs could have allowed the cut to not get sealed on the right side, it didn't feel like it went into the flow of the commentary but maybe next time I will include such judgements to show how xie ke could take a lead

    • @Fanaro
      @Fanaro ปีที่แล้ว

      @@telegraphgo Was it a sealing off variation? I thought it was a variation in which the pro commentator was trying to show that White could cut Black, but then White would end up with only sealed in with only one eye.
      I'm referring to minute 2:42:00 in this video yVKHg_DUEiE

    • @telegraphgo
      @telegraphgo  ปีที่แล้ว

      Looks like a powerful variation to me

  • @hironakae
    @hironakae ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ah, the classic nparadigm vs fqishi01 show down

  • @Fanaro
    @Fanaro ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder why this match was not very well publicized. I only noticed it because it appeared on an app feed.

    • @ByeByis
      @ByeByis ปีที่แล้ว

      What app do you use?

    • @Fanaro
      @Fanaro ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ByeByis I use the Go4Go Android Client

  • @marksmith3947
    @marksmith3947 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What do you think of F9 at move 124? It seems like a natural way to use the big influence on the top and middle right.
    Of course G9 would be met by the cut, which looks favorable for white. If white gets to push on the 9th line he solidifies a huge territory while black is two moves from closing off the bottom

    • @telegraphgo
      @telegraphgo  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think if I were black I would just extend into the center, and white's area is probably not big enough to justify what he loses in attacking potential. It's definitely not a very bad idea, but as white I think I prefer to try to start trading from e7 side

    • @marksmith3947
      @marksmith3947 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@telegraphgo thank you for the analysis.

  • @picassodilly
    @picassodilly ปีที่แล้ว

    11:02
    I thought a bent 4 was just dead by special rule in Japanese scoring.
    In Chinese scoring, it’s dead because players don’t lose anything by making extra moves in their own territory after the whole board is settled- which means you can just fix all your ko threats once the game reaches the point where there aren’t any moves that gain anything and then start the ko.

    • @JannisAdmek
      @JannisAdmek 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's dead, it's just a source of ko threads.

    • @ChickpeaMilkshake
      @ChickpeaMilkshake 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm not sure that bent 4 is a source of ko threats. @@JannisAdmek

    • @user-qn9ku2fl2b
      @user-qn9ku2fl2b 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ChickpeaMilkshake it's not. but these white stones are very close to living and basically cannot be captured outright, hence why black has a squeeze problem at B11, see 11:40

  • @thelolbucher
    @thelolbucher ปีที่แล้ว

    what about a fierce move on 132 ? G9 look like quite the bite, black cannot really let h9 die right away and the sacrifice method isnt that cool here, still letting the shoulders open

    • @telegraphgo
      @telegraphgo  ปีที่แล้ว

      also possible for sure

  • @bill9708
    @bill9708 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    P r o m o s m 😱