It's strange, both of these locomotives are still running, yet this video has an air of sadness to it. Now both engines are constricted to private lines, forbidden from roaming the open rails they once called home, and on the rare occasions where they are turned loose on the main - it's always under heavy supervision, with diesel helpers, and at a far slower speed than they are capable of. In many ways, the railroad world has changed almost as much since these videos were shot, as it had back then since the steam era... Remember, it was only 4 years later that SP went the way of Penn Central and disappeared into the history books... All that's left of that railroad now are ghosts of the past; a handful of preserved locomotives, and an unrecognizable right-of-way ruled by the worst of their rivals.
Some of those videos looked like they were shot on the Eastbay from Richmond to Pinole/Hercules. Remember as a kid seeing the passenger trains chugging along.
Because the 4449 would be damaged the 2472 had they gone full charge, it's mostly due to the 2472 being a Pacific type and the 4449 being a northern with more power.
@@darkchaotix1productions326 I don’t see how 2472 would really be damaged if it went track speed. Sure, 4449 is capable of way faster than 60-70 mph, but is usually kept to 60 to cut back on wear. 2472 could more than likely handle 80-90 mph if pushed, but was comfortable at 60. I think it was more to do with water and fuel conservation, and less to do with potentially damaging 2472. With a doubleheader, there’s now two hungry and thirsty beasts to take care of instead of one.
Because steam locomotives have no MU capability - for two steam locomotives to match each-other's speed requires a lot of coordination between crew, they probably operated at slower speeds so they didn't accidentally stretch(or compress) the couplers. The P-8s were more than capable of track speed, yes they were smaller and less powerful but they were still mainline passenger locomotives, it wasn't because they were worried 4449 was going to "break" 2472. They most likely ran slower for the sake of railfans as well, so they could get better photos - after all, it's hard to take a picture of a train flying past at 90 mph.
Honestly 2472 worked the end of its life doing commuter runs. 4449 and the 2742 are both passenger engines with 2472 having big drivers and smaller rods she’s able to run with the daylight they just didn’t want to.
Nice! Saw 3 views of my little sister's back yard in Pinole.
I love how The First Half Showed 2472 Solo, Second Half Showed Both Engines Together, and The Third Half Showed 4449 Solo. Good Thinking.
It's strange, both of these locomotives are still running, yet this video has an air of sadness to it.
Now both engines are constricted to private lines, forbidden from roaming the open rails they once called home, and on the rare occasions where they are turned loose on the main - it's always under heavy supervision, with diesel helpers, and at a far slower speed than they are capable of.
In many ways, the railroad world has changed almost as much since these videos were shot, as it had back then since the steam era... Remember, it was only 4 years later that SP went the way of Penn Central and disappeared into the history books... All that's left of that railroad now are ghosts of the past; a handful of preserved locomotives, and an unrecognizable right-of-way ruled by the worst of their rivals.
Some of those videos looked like they were shot on the Eastbay from Richmond to Pinole/Hercules.
Remember as a kid seeing the passenger trains chugging along.
Very cool vid👍thanks for sharing
why were 2472 & 4449
operated at a slower speed
than idividually?
Because the 4449 would be damaged the 2472 had they gone full charge, it's mostly due to the 2472 being a Pacific type and the 4449 being a northern with more power.
@@darkchaotix1productions326 I don’t see how 2472 would really be damaged if it went track speed. Sure, 4449 is capable of way faster than 60-70 mph, but is usually kept to 60 to cut back on wear. 2472 could more than likely handle 80-90 mph if pushed, but was comfortable at 60. I think it was more to do with water and fuel conservation, and less to do with potentially damaging 2472. With a doubleheader, there’s now two hungry and thirsty beasts to take care of instead of one.
Because steam locomotives have no MU capability - for two steam locomotives to match each-other's speed requires a lot of coordination between crew, they probably operated at slower speeds so they didn't accidentally stretch(or compress) the couplers.
The P-8s were more than capable of track speed, yes they were smaller and less powerful but they were still mainline passenger locomotives, it wasn't because they were worried 4449 was going to "break" 2472.
They most likely ran slower for the sake of railfans as well, so they could get better photos - after all, it's hard to take a picture of a train flying past at 90 mph.
Honestly 2472 worked the end of its life doing commuter runs. 4449 and the 2742 are both passenger engines with 2472 having big drivers and smaller rods she’s able to run with the daylight they just didn’t want to.
where were the last 3 shots
filmed at? :-)
I hope 2472 will meet 4449 again in the future!
And That 4449 Will Lead The Way
Maybe a steam to San Francisco trip
@@phillyfan-182 I would love to see that
@@northerncalirails2008just like old times
that is some very cool clips Gary. you have been sitting on those for awhile ?
I saw 4449 once it visit Michigan for Train Festival 2009.
The valve timing on 2472 seems off in some shots. I wonder if that was a constant issue they were chasing.
Man, those days were fun for railroading
What happened to all those streamlined daylight cars?
Sp 2472 & amtrak
Should put sp 2472 with 3751
High ball yeah all the way 😂!!
wow
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