I too wish the Church would embrace the values of that priest your family loved. Went to Catholic high school and university, and Sunday school for my whole childhood before that, yet my best friends have always been the ones on the fringes of faith, or downright the downright atheistic. It's not like I ran into a bunch of snobby fundamentalists that turned me off (though with my ignorant social skills I probably did without realizing it). I just knew what I cared about and the people who cared about the same things I did were never the most Catholic of Catholics. It's actually a very interesting role being the most Catholic person in your friend group at Catholic school (and I'm basically a ChrEaster as far as going to Mass...). Sometimes you get pelted with very antagonistic views about religion and the Church which you are forced to digest or contend with, sometimes outright disbelief in the possibility of God, let alone anything else. Yet often times you get to be the voice of "well the understanding of this religion thing you're working with hasn't got all the rich details that make it worth it for me, and if you'd like I can share them," or "I don't agree with the way the Church deals with this, and I think there's a very simple theological view that should be more widely adopted which would help to fix that problem." And my friends more often than not would listen and grow in their understanding of the Church and religion, even if they still didn't agree with it, or still didn't believe in it, I was able to enlighten them as to not be blindly antagonistic towards it. Religion is complicated, and I'm not a great Catholic, but I still am one, albeit one with a lot of differing opinions on things and a stark recognition that the Church is not and rarely (if ever) has been a perfect institution (far from it in so many cases). People are people and people with influence to wield often abuse it, and are often celebrated by their allies for doing so.
It's funny, but not in the ha-ha way: There's a very close friend of mine who grew up in the part of Pennsylvania a lot of this record's historical references draw upon, in a very conservative Catholic household… and she's probably the last person I'd recommend this record to, for a number of reasons. In some ways, I think my intensely secular upbringing-my parents' families were Reform Jewish and High Episcopalian respectively, but mainly on a cultural level-has given me a certain privilege in both exploring religion for myself and experiencing religious art and art about religion ("for" or "against") in a way that those whose childhoods and adolescences were shaped by religious dogma, often against their will, simply do not have, and I do not take that lightly. I came to what idiosyncratic beliefs I possess through very personal experiences, and I wish more people were given the chance to figure these things out for themselves.
Hey Mark, I just wanted to thank you for posting this video, if not for the music review then your insightful thoughts on religion. My story was strangely parallel to yours, Catholic school and even the having two polar opposite priests. I still consider myself Catholic.. but it can be hard and disgusting at times to learn about things like sex scandals or the reservation schools (tho very important to do so!) And frustration that it feels like most Catholics in America would have been disgusted with the man Jesus would have been. I still have hope tho... through things like Catholic Social teaching or the Corporeal works of Mercy, that I can help right some wrongs and turn this religion of dogma back into a religion of love and trust. But thanks Mark, it's always nice to feel less alone
It really unveils a lot of its secrets and emotional resonance for me the more I listen to it. Maybe it's not a play back to back but I would encourage you to revisit it in the future. Give it some breathing room but don't abandon it entirely.
As a piece of art, I was really impressed by this. It kind of felt like a mix of Swans, Coil, and at times some of the more stripped back cuts on Jesus Christ Superstar with the blend of light and heavy at just the right moments.
i live in that area of pa , surrounded by the evangelical fervor she sings about , but to me the albums emotional core is more significant than the religious commentary . i went through a really bleak period of abuse for about two years before and after the release cycle of this album . she put into words and song stuff i hadnt fully understood at the time . im mostly past it now , but songs like i who bend the tall grasses and many hands and man is like a spring flower gave intelligible form to the sense of unbearable desolation i felt surrounding me , and which i couldnt bear to look directly at in order to understand it myself because of the profound fear i had of it . begging some bleak god for salvation in true desperate earnest , and instead having everything taken from you , the safety of your home threatened , until you are isolated and unable even to act on your own all consuming rage and frustration . ultimately nothing is left but the solace of failure and abandonment . shes a visionary and , ironically , is doing gods work lol
As an atheist that grew up in a very Morman area (to the point where a lot of our neighbors refused to talk to us), I definitely commend this! I could only imagine what your old priest would be thinking if he were watching this video!
Interesting review, Mark, for me it's a 9/10, really like atmosphere and how visceral and yet beautiful this album is, but I probably prefer Caligula more.
Still yet to check out any of her stuff, I've just had a tough few years and want to take the time to appreciate properly and in a better place. However, watching this review was really nice, really well written and elegant. Great job!
I think my problem with this album is pretty much the same as I did on Caligula. The songs seemed to go on just slightly too long for what they offer, which is not that much of a problem if it’s only one or two songs. Just like Caligula though, Lingua Ignota continues to demonstrate unreal potential.
Wow. As an atheist, I learned quite a lot from this video. Very eye-opening. I feel bad for her and I, too, hope that she has found peace. BUT if I'm being honest, I'm not going to care about this album. It's out of my comfort zone, for one thing. The other is that to me, it seems like RYM bait. Indeed, they label this as "neoclassical darkwave," as if that insanely long genre tag has any meaning. Just another excuse for gatekeepers to say, "Oh, now, this is REAL art!" I will say, though, that what makes this video special is your commentary, speaking as someone who grew up Catholic. I appreciate that it's that kind of review and not a "this is art because it's so left field and avant garde" review.
@Daniel Duma You bring up a good point. But even if I did ignore the genre tag... I know that I personally wouldn't be able to connect with it. I'm sure it's good, although the religious praise from certain circles could be toned down a bit (*cough cough* theneedledrop), but I fully accept that it's not for me. I remember listening to Caligula and being disappointed, so considering that this release focuses more on classical elements, I doubt I'd like this. I highly respect what Lingua Ignota is doing content-wise, but that respect doesn't necessarily translate to praise, at least from me. That's what I love so much about this review-- it's not over the top.
Not the best album it was just overhyped and a bit boring for some tracks low 6/10 not on my metal album of the year list sadly other albums like Helloween Alustrium Ad Nauseam Asphyx and Fractal Universe
This was definitely a review of yours unlike any I've seen before. I can tell this album left an impact on you.
I too wish the Church would embrace the values of that priest your family loved. Went to Catholic high school and university, and Sunday school for my whole childhood before that, yet my best friends have always been the ones on the fringes of faith, or downright the downright atheistic. It's not like I ran into a bunch of snobby fundamentalists that turned me off (though with my ignorant social skills I probably did without realizing it). I just knew what I cared about and the people who cared about the same things I did were never the most Catholic of Catholics. It's actually a very interesting role being the most Catholic person in your friend group at Catholic school (and I'm basically a ChrEaster as far as going to Mass...). Sometimes you get pelted with very antagonistic views about religion and the Church which you are forced to digest or contend with, sometimes outright disbelief in the possibility of God, let alone anything else. Yet often times you get to be the voice of "well the understanding of this religion thing you're working with hasn't got all the rich details that make it worth it for me, and if you'd like I can share them," or "I don't agree with the way the Church deals with this, and I think there's a very simple theological view that should be more widely adopted which would help to fix that problem." And my friends more often than not would listen and grow in their understanding of the Church and religion, even if they still didn't agree with it, or still didn't believe in it, I was able to enlighten them as to not be blindly antagonistic towards it. Religion is complicated, and I'm not a great Catholic, but I still am one, albeit one with a lot of differing opinions on things and a stark recognition that the Church is not and rarely (if ever) has been a perfect institution (far from it in so many cases). People are people and people with influence to wield often abuse it, and are often celebrated by their allies for doing so.
It's funny, but not in the ha-ha way: There's a very close friend of mine who grew up in the part of Pennsylvania a lot of this record's historical references draw upon, in a very conservative Catholic household… and she's probably the last person I'd recommend this record to, for a number of reasons. In some ways, I think my intensely secular upbringing-my parents' families were Reform Jewish and High Episcopalian respectively, but mainly on a cultural level-has given me a certain privilege in both exploring religion for myself and experiencing religious art and art about religion ("for" or "against") in a way that those whose childhoods and adolescences were shaped by religious dogma, often against their will, simply do not have, and I do not take that lightly. I came to what idiosyncratic beliefs I possess through very personal experiences, and I wish more people were given the chance to figure these things out for themselves.
Thank you for letting us in on your personal history and connection with this subject
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Hey Mark, I just wanted to thank you for posting this video, if not for the music review then your insightful thoughts on religion. My story was strangely parallel to yours, Catholic school and even the having two polar opposite priests. I still consider myself Catholic.. but it can be hard and disgusting at times to learn about things like sex scandals or the reservation schools (tho very important to do so!) And frustration that it feels like most Catholics in America would have been disgusted with the man Jesus would have been. I still have hope tho... through things like Catholic Social teaching or the Corporeal works of Mercy, that I can help right some wrongs and turn this religion of dogma back into a religion of love and trust. But thanks Mark, it's always nice to feel less alone
Thank you, Mark! Finally someone admits that Dogma is Kevin Smiths' best film. Also, great review.
Do I think this album is beautifully written and produced? Absolutely!
Am I ever gonna listen to it more than once? Naaah.
It really unveils a lot of its secrets and emotional resonance for me the more I listen to it. Maybe it's not a play back to back but I would encourage you to revisit it in the future. Give it some breathing room but don't abandon it entirely.
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Fair
As a piece of art, I was really impressed by this. It kind of felt like a mix of Swans, Coil, and at times some of the more stripped back cuts on Jesus Christ Superstar with the blend of light and heavy at just the right moments.
i live in that area of pa , surrounded by the evangelical fervor she sings about , but to me the albums emotional core is more significant than the religious commentary . i went through a really bleak period of abuse for about two years before and after the release cycle of this album .
she put into words and song stuff i hadnt fully understood at the time . im mostly past it now , but songs like i who bend the tall grasses and many hands and man is like a spring flower gave intelligible form to the sense of unbearable desolation i felt surrounding me , and which i couldnt bear to look directly at in order to understand it myself because of the profound fear i had of it .
begging some bleak god for salvation in true desperate earnest , and instead having everything taken from you , the safety of your home threatened , until you are isolated and unable even to act on your own all consuming rage and frustration . ultimately nothing is left but the solace of failure and abandonment .
shes a visionary and , ironically , is doing gods work lol
As an atheist that grew up in a very Morman area (to the point where a lot of our neighbors refused to talk to us), I definitely commend this! I could only imagine what your old priest would be thinking if he were watching this video!
Interesting review, Mark, for me it's a 9/10, really like atmosphere and how visceral and yet beautiful this album is, but I probably prefer Caligula more.
In revenge of The Melon giving Mark's two 10s a score of 8 in 2016, Mark gives The Melon's two 10s a score of 8 in 2021.
Hi！Which are those two 2016‘s 10 from Mark？
@@willchan9960 Southern Family & Skeleton Tree
Still yet to check out any of her stuff, I've just had a tough few years and want to take the time to appreciate properly and in a better place. However, watching this review was really nice, really well written and elegant. Great job!
great review just like always
A very thoughtful,insightful review!
Really interesting topics you brought up. Really awesome review.
A lot of reviewers really like this album.
10/10 for me, I’m a sucker for religious themes.
Interesting one
I think my problem with this album is pretty much the same as I did on Caligula. The songs seemed to go on just slightly too long for what they offer, which is not that much of a problem if it’s only one or two songs. Just like Caligula though, Lingua Ignota continues to demonstrate unreal potential.
Athlete of the year? Very cool. What sport did you play?
@@SpectrumPulse oh damn 👀 that’s awesome! Good for you, I hope the records are never broken lol. Love your content, keep up the great reviews :)
Ok, I really hate to be that person, but it's pronounced (EF- ra- ta), not (ef- RAH- ta).
Wow. As an atheist, I learned quite a lot from this video. Very eye-opening. I feel bad for her and I, too, hope that she has found peace. BUT if I'm being honest, I'm not going to care about this album. It's out of my comfort zone, for one thing. The other is that to me, it seems like RYM bait. Indeed, they label this as "neoclassical darkwave," as if that insanely long genre tag has any meaning. Just another excuse for gatekeepers to say, "Oh, now, this is REAL art!" I will say, though, that what makes this video special is your commentary, speaking as someone who grew up Catholic. I appreciate that it's that kind of review and not a "this is art because it's so left field and avant garde" review.
Ok
@Daniel Duma You bring up a good point. But even if I did ignore the genre tag... I know that I personally wouldn't be able to connect with it. I'm sure it's good, although the religious praise from certain circles could be toned down a bit (*cough cough* theneedledrop), but I fully accept that it's not for me. I remember listening to Caligula and being disappointed, so considering that this release focuses more on classical elements, I doubt I'd like this. I highly respect what Lingua Ignota is doing content-wise, but that respect doesn't necessarily translate to praise, at least from me. That's what I love so much about this review-- it's not over the top.
Not the best album it was just overhyped and a bit boring for some tracks low 6/10 not on my metal album of the year list sadly other albums like Helloween Alustrium Ad Nauseam Asphyx and Fractal Universe
Metal álbum 😂
@@RUBIKP-lt7qi it has a few metal parts
This album pales in comparison to Caligula... Don't get the hype with this one.
I’m a sucker for religious themes, this masterpiece was gonna win me over regardless
Her music is not for me,I don’t like it
Ok
I definitely agree.
You do you, friend.
Same it was meh
Also I’d didnt mean this in a bad way, I’m just not a fan
Less tamed and urgent than Caligula... This one didn't connect with me at all.
This album is eh