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  • Jeff Sweenor and his team are big fans of the laminated strand lumber used for framing on the Westerly project. Kevin O'Connor travels to Canada to find out how and where it comes from.
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    Kevin O'Connor visits a laminated strand lumber factory in Kenora, Canada. The plant manager takes him through the entire process starting with the Poplar logs coming off the truck to manufacturing the long strand lumber mats that are steam pressed, cut to size, wrapped and ready to transport.
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  • @doxielain2231
    @doxielain2231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    We haven't completely removed workers from our plant yet, but were going to as soon as we can.

    • @Singlepole
      @Singlepole 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Not sure how they do it there, but our plant just south of them automates so we can run faster and normally we need more employees after. We are now running at about 200% of original design capacity.

    • @sunshine5349
      @sunshine5349 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      good, humans can focus on more productive jobs.

    • @bg147
      @bg147 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL

    • @CGrantL
      @CGrantL 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But don’t you love the low inflation? gotta keep the rich rich 😑

  • @juliof970
    @juliof970 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love the interactions and relationship between all the guys. Kevin, Tom, Rich and Roger. They seem like good pals that have a good time.

  • @c0br401
    @c0br401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    Plant Manager: This is where the bulk of the people in the plant work, is actually in the wrap station.
    Host: Everything else is automated.
    Plant Manager: That's correct. Haven't automated this yet. We're working on it.
    🤨😑☹️😢

    • @augustreil
      @augustreil 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Heard that also. There goes some more jobs out the door.

    • @michaelnoone1565
      @michaelnoone1565 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I bet the workers nearby enjoyed hearing that LOL

    • @PENDEHIJO
      @PENDEHIJO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      LSL
      Luddite Striking Laborers

    • @derewreck
      @derewreck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Is that a job that someone really wants though?

    • @horizoninabucket
      @horizoninabucket 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      If you want your "Fully Automated Luxury Communism", this is how it's gotta be. Forcibly preventing automation is just working against that goal. As long as cartels and monopolies can be kept busted up, automation+competition will force the cost of production to close to zero. So cheap that everyone will be able to afford whatever they could reasonably want, on a basic UBI.

  • @icelandicigs
    @icelandicigs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Ah! The illusive board stretcher!

    • @johnkennedy3926
      @johnkennedy3926 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i could use a little stretching....

    • @kenc2257
      @kenc2257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's also elusive...

    • @doghouse416
      @doghouse416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got into so much trouble sending Johnny DePalma from the art class to the shop class to get the wood stretcher.

    • @doghouse416
      @doghouse416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Nhilistic Komrad The spelling police are out in numbers

    • @mikeznel6048
      @mikeznel6048 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah yes! Apprentice paradise!

  • @jesseolivo
    @jesseolivo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I grew up watching factory tours on This Old House. Interesting and informative at any age!

  • @steve_main
    @steve_main 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best TOH episode ever!! It was long and showed details.

  • @christophermm23
    @christophermm23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was so awesome!!! I feel like a kid watching a roller coaster! With all that cut wood, I bet that factory smells heavenly!

  • @Cassandra_Johnson
    @Cassandra_Johnson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Interesting, but 3 big unanswered questions:
    1. What do they use to bind the strands into the final product.
    2. How does normal lumber perform in their stress tests.
    3. How does their product perform once it gets wet in a real world situation.

    • @psergiu
      @psergiu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Clinton Johnson
      1. Glue'n'resin'stuff. Trade secret
      2. Supposedly worse. Especially the cheap fast growth one
      3. Like wet OSB. Do not get it wet. If there's any remote chance of that area getting wet, use normal lumber.

    • @serge.crispino418
      @serge.crispino418 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      the strands that are cut from logs and dried down to below 3% moisture are sprayed with a mixture of melamine resin and wax - they then enter and orientation former and are formed into what is called a mat. Typically MOR and MOE (modulus of rupture and modulus of expansion) of engineered timber exceed natural timber. Engineered timber will out perform natural timber if it is used and installed correctly.

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@serge.crispino418 Quite. With engineered timber the quality can be controlled and quality can be repeated, for ever, sort of thing.
      Leaving it up to Mother Nature produces quite a range of "quality".
      Plus in that particular plant nothing went to waste, what material wasn't in the product itself was "consumed" or converted into energy to make the product. (To my mind the designers deserve a medal for ingenuity, energy conservation and generally making the planet "greener" for the rest of us.)
      Eventually, I would posit, the process will be entirely automated and totally overseen by an AI monitoring everything from the weather, for producing the timber, planning future production rates, right through to monitoring consumption and demand and scaling up, or down, said production rates.
      Straying slightly off topic it would be interesting to know if using these products caused more or less wear on cutting or shaping tools.
      It would be slightly ironic if the engineered product was cheaper to buy but you ended up spending a fortune on blades, drill and router bits etc, etc just trying to "use" it.

    • @dnomyarnostaw
      @dnomyarnostaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@t1n4444 When would you use drills and router bits on OSB?
      This is just basic building material that gets power sawn and nail gunned .

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dnomyarnostaw Hmm. Maybe on your side but over here we use OSB (or sometimes we call it "Sterling Board") for decorative finishes, as in stained, sanded and varnished for example.
      Plus we have a lot of students, would be artists and "creatives" all trying to "out trendy" one another by designing some sort of "art".
      In fact if interested you might care to have a squint through YT offerings and see just how versatile OSB can be.
      I gather some router bit manufacturers make tungsten carbide edged bits especially for OSB.
      I gather they are spiral fluted to cope with the resinous "properties".
      I note that on occasion an OSB board is fixed in place on studwork and then window openings routed out afterwards.
      Nail guns ... not so widespread over here. I have used the small brad sized guns for trim but nothing big enough for studwork.
      Nail guns first used here, as far as I know, for fixing studs to concrete or steelwork. I think the brand was "Paslode" and carried all sorts of dire warnings as used explosive cartridges as opposed to compressed air, say.

  • @d.jensen5153
    @d.jensen5153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love the fact that you can take in twisted crooked young logs and covert them into stable straight consistent lumber of any size.

  • @ultimate1576
    @ultimate1576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    THIS is a great TOH video. Not one of them 3 minute long "How-to" videos where they show you how to put a nail in a board.

  • @wingtipzzz
    @wingtipzzz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for making this available. It's very useful in my studies for Mass Timber.

  • @Maggie-Gardener-Maker
    @Maggie-Gardener-Maker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Super interesting! Thanks for producing this video! Wow can you imagine the maintenance crew that is employed to maintain and repair all that equipment? Also the company that makes all that equipment must be something to see!

  • @JoseHernandez-tc1kl
    @JoseHernandez-tc1kl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow that’s is awesome. I have never seen anything like this before. It’s always good to learn where your materials come from and how is it made. Thanks for that Unique experience

    • @idiot675
      @idiot675 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got to see a similar process in person when I toured a Weyerhauser plant. It's really impressive to follow it from beginning to end.

  • @davec7299
    @davec7299 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Heck ya!

  • @ryanmercado3199
    @ryanmercado3199 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best videos on this channel

  • @wandarichardson4213
    @wandarichardson4213 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ThIs is so cool.
    Thank you for sharing✌💛☺

  • @Park2King
    @Park2King 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this video; enjoy it every time I watch it. Innovative manufacturing and competent workers make this a product that can't be beat. Only thing that throws a wrench in the works are unfair tariffs applied to wood products like these from Canada.

  • @tMatt5M
    @tMatt5M 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "we haven't automated this yet but we're working on it" hahahahah

  • @jimboreaddabible777
    @jimboreaddabible777 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    WOW! I take some things for granted.

  • @jim1550
    @jim1550 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    MORE FACTORY TOURS!

  • @adelk7116
    @adelk7116 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice production

  • @Dodgegriff
    @Dodgegriff 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should come to Swan River, Manitoba. We have two different mills here. One makes dimensional lumber, wood chips, and wood pellets from spruce. The other one makes OSB and siding from poplar. And then not too far away in Hudson Bay, Saskatchewan there's a pulp mill, Weyerhaeuser.

  • @markhall3323
    @markhall3323 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good one

  • @kayroth8750
    @kayroth8750 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressive

  • @Ryan-rx8ie
    @Ryan-rx8ie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting

  • @tinderbox218
    @tinderbox218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    "We haven't automated this yet but we're working on it."
    Workers: 🙁

    • @JamesBiggar
      @JamesBiggar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Guess they should set their goals a little higher than spending all day everyday stapling lumber wrap and take a trade instead. Still lots of opportunity in construction for hard workers willing to develop a far more useful skill set. I would love to apprentice more people, but everyone wants the easy jobs where they do the same repetitive motion and don't have to think...

    • @brettr5188
      @brettr5188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @9:50. Makes the workers feel good...

    • @asrealasitgets765
      @asrealasitgets765 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That way they can raise the price on the product & increase CEO salaries.

    • @HowManySlams
      @HowManySlams 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Once those jobs are automated they can work on automating the plant manager’s job.

    • @kenc2257
      @kenc2257 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JamesBiggar "...everyone wants the easy jobs...don't have to think..." Nope. [pretty dismal view of your/my fellow Americans]

  • @loueckert4970
    @loueckert4970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see these trains along the Potomac river between MD and WV.

  • @jlacson74
    @jlacson74 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool

  • @bmay8818
    @bmay8818 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I toured a local plywood factory. After the plies were (manually) laid up, they had two workers who did nothing but move sheets of plywood from the layer-uppers to the press. I remember thinking 1. I would shoot myself after 3 hours of doing that monotony and 2. The only reason they had that job was because there either wasn't a robot that could do it or the one that could cost too much.

  • @Dav3
    @Dav3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would have been interesting to hear how these strengths compare to diff types of natural cut woods

    • @kenc2257
      @kenc2257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There would be A LOT of variables for "natural cut wood:" what type/species of "wood"?, is the lumber clear or have lots of knots/defects(Quality)?, was it grown in North America or Europe?, etc., etc.

  • @mrredpill3121
    @mrredpill3121 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The end of the line where most of the workers are at, automation being worked on! Job cuts coming.

    • @EpicConspiracy
      @EpicConspiracy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Automation mainly only takes away the non ergonomic jobs that people can’t do for long without getting hurt or have some sort of long term disability.

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      True, but your car or truck might have been made by "robots" resulting in lower prices so "we" can more easily afford them.
      Will presume you wouldn't stop using said vehicles if you discovered a robot and AI had built them?

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Toob247 Toob247 Hmm, I take your point ... but ... robots have been used in car construction for over 50 years. Started off with spot welding and went from there.
      Yes I know, hadn't realised how far back robots went either!
      As far as I can see it's not all bad as some processes might be entirely automated but some machines require human intervention, or control, in the setting up, as in driving a computer to drive said machine.
      Driving the machine might deserve more training and consequently a higher salary so not all bad.
      It might be said automation merely increases the output but might require more staff to deal with the products as in road testing perhaps ... I'm speculating on that last bit btw.

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Train Nerd And was reminded about the " old" union fears about how computers would take our jobs away.
      But then we found how an entirely new industry evolved on the purely physical department of building computers and maintaining them. Plus driving them let alone programming them.
      Not forgetting entirely new types of buildings to house them in.
      Then PCs arrived and then laptops, followed by smart phones.
      Then companies appeared to write programs for the smaller processors and so on and on and on.
      Then we had to recycle or dismantle the kit as it was replaced.
      Then we had CAD CAM. Now we are developing AI.
      So where one door closes sometimes dozens of new doors open in its place.
      Amazing what a bit of silicon can do.

  • @DiHandley
    @DiHandley 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is all good and well, but how does it perform compared to solid timber?

  • @AdrianoGiovanni-ic5rk
    @AdrianoGiovanni-ic5rk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💚🙏 beautiful

  • @topotone
    @topotone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s the comparison/advantages to solid lumber? I assume this stuff is stronger. Does it take more raw material to make a 2x4 of LSL?

  • @borys444
    @borys444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’d rather have an lvl for a header but nonetheless great video.

  • @paradoxed00
    @paradoxed00 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm curious to know how the break points on the LSL compare to regular style lumber. I've heard that LSL has higher strength abilities than traditional.

  • @ke6gwf
    @ke6gwf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have removed WAY TOO MANY of those staples! Lol
    (commercial construction forklift operator...)

  • @tombomombodombo
    @tombomombodombo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How come you don't show any house renovations in Canada, yet you show the lumber mill in Canada?

  • @brewcityb
    @brewcityb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You also have to remember that with automation just means the physical labor aspect goes away but you still need skilled people to write the programs, maintain the equipment, and bring the raw materials. People thought that the ATM would mean the end of bank tellers but it created many other jobs same is true here.

  • @serge.crispino418
    @serge.crispino418 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent product made by excellent machinery - it is a pity that you did not show the press that is being used however if the press was sourced from the people that supplied the former then it is the best in the world. Like others have noted and already commented on most of the process is automated other than the packing station but we need to consider the health and safety of the work being done by these people - I am sure that once those jobs are done by machines these people can be retrained to perhaps be carpenters and use this product.

  • @theoisaac9948
    @theoisaac9948 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    👍

  • @donaldoarmand212
    @donaldoarmand212 ปีที่แล้ว

    haven't automated where the bulk of the people work but we are working on that. so long your jobs boys

  • @Anthony-rb4cu
    @Anthony-rb4cu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    EVAS EHT SDOOW!

  • @rud
    @rud 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So that is what it’s all abut.

  • @raymondmcinturff3952
    @raymondmcinturff3952 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonder how lsl compares with old growth oak and pine

  • @newyorkerghazi
    @newyorkerghazi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am wondering why there are some people put thumps down for such nice informative video !!!!! Can they write in the comments why they don't like it. Kindly be rational and grow a brain.
    (Ask this old house family ) Keep up the good work and don't give any concern to these non sence people.
    All the way from Arabian desert.
    Salam = pace

    • @scottfirman
      @scottfirman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      easy, putting people out of jobs. At the end, they mentioned automation for the final wrapping. No one wants to see people being replaced by machines. Simple. No brainer.

  • @Singlepole
    @Singlepole 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ha, so thats what your plant looks like. Much the same as ours in Barwick.

  • @godbluffvdgg
    @godbluffvdgg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've been a builder for 30 years...I remember when the first OSB came out...It took a while before we switched over from CDX ply...LSL's are going to get less and less expensive...A better value product...

    • @randomrazr
      @randomrazr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      pllywood still superior over OSB

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@randomrazr Surely it's the context you should be supplying?
      Can you give any actual examples?

    • @randomrazr
      @randomrazr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@t1n4444 for one, OSB burns faster. in a house fire, every minute counts

    • @timothybarney7257
      @timothybarney7257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@randomrazr They are definitely a hazard during fires. One of the local fire departments recently posted pictures from a fire in a relatively new house that the chief had a bad feeling about and stopped his team from entering the structure via the front door. Instead they made entry on an exposed portion of the basement and did not enter the structure from above. He was right, after the fire (in the basement) was contained, photos were taken where the engineered joists supporting the first floor were completely burned away and the subfloor was just hanging unsupported. Any firefighter that had entered the structure on the first floor would have fallen through, possibly to their death. Code really needs to include requirements that any engineered wood structural members should, at a minimum, have fire-resistant coatings applied so slow and/or prevent engineered wood structural elements from burning so quickly.

    • @randomrazr
      @randomrazr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timothybarney7257 exactly, alot of the new homes builders are switching to OSB sheathing and engineered floor joists. your basically trusting your home to be supported by glue. glue is petroleum based, its not wonder engineered wood lights up faster and hotter. if i were to build a new house, solid wood lfoor beams and plywood at minimium. it also makes u wonder whether these engineered wood strucutures will last 100 years.

  • @filmdetective
    @filmdetective 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    aboat... ❤️

  • @researchandbuild1751
    @researchandbuild1751 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why cut down to strands and then glue back together?

  • @rynohorn3819
    @rynohorn3819 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yep we've got about everything except this part automated and we're working on that. Wait til his job is automated and see if his tone changes on the next episode of this old house

  • @ptbfrch
    @ptbfrch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How does it hold up over time? It's fascinating to look inside the walls of my own 100+ year old house, and find high quality lumber, still intact and in good shape. Will this product hold up for a century? That will be interesting to see. I also worry about effluence, all that glue (VOCs) going into our lungs. Is that good?

    • @psergiu
      @psergiu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thomas Bertilsson It'll hold up as long as it doesn't get wet.

    • @JamesBiggar
      @JamesBiggar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thunderpop609 Your comment makes 0 sense. If they're structurally sound, then they're still almost as valuable as they day they were installed, minus the nail holes. It seems that none of you have a whole lot of experience in the trade but like to talk as if you do. OSB has been used in construction since the mid 60's....that's 60 years. Do you know how many 60 year old houses I've torn down? 0. Do you you know how many 100+ year old houses I've torn down? More than I can count. I've seen lumber from both old growth trees and new dry rotted to dust, and I've seen OSB, LVL, LSL etc look as pretty as the day it was installed decades after the fact. It all boils down to the build quality. If your builder is an idiot and doesn't know how to size structural components according to their load properly or keep the weather from penetrating the envelope, then it won't matter what you've built with. It's not going to have any value.

    • @JamesBiggar
      @JamesBiggar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It'll hold up longer than you will. Off-gassing is very minimal - I would be more concerned about off-gassing from new appliances in a new home (the production of which often involves voc's as well) which takes approx 2 years to drop to the normal levels found in an avg home. The lumber in your home is encased in a wall and sealed behind vapour barrier with acoustic sealant or building tape (both involving voc's) - if there's any air exchange between inside and out, then it's happening when you open a door or window, or your builder severely messed up the job and you have an open wall somewhere. Your complaint is akin to worrying about petrol fumes finding their way into your car while you're driving. If the manufacturer did their job and it was inspected properly, then you should have nothing to worry about. Of course, we all know that you're going to breathe in far more hydrocarbons just fueling up at the pumps than you ever will while driving - the same can be said when comparing off-gassing from urea formaldehyde (the glue used in stranded lumber) and off-gassing from the contents in your home like your refrigerator, sofa, computer, etc. Unless you build everything you own with mud and natural lumber, then this is something you're going to have to accept. Bottom line - don't be too worried about building materials. Building code exists for a reason, and as long as you don't cheap out, do your part in finding a competent and experienced contractor and have their work inspected, then chances are your safety and comfort will be their top priority. We like repeat customers, not dead customers.

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thunderpop609 Are you sure you're not using "nostalgia" as a valid argument.
      Building technology is what it is, or was, in its day.
      You imagine 100 years is some vast length of time. There were pharoahs still in their pyramids after 5000 years but doesn't mean we're all going to want to have homes built out of 2 tonne blocks.
      The cost of foundations alone would be colossal.

    • @ptbfrch
      @ptbfrch 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JamesBiggar That makes a lot of sense, and thank you for taking time to comment on things not discussed in the video. Much appreciated. As you may have guessed I am not a builder, but work in HVAC business and know how important it is to have good indoor air quality.

  • @heatherstickland5284
    @heatherstickland5284 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now is it water resistant and most importantly termite proof or the very least resistant to termites

  • @bienconstantino5309
    @bienconstantino5309 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This old house and how it's made collab😂✌️

  • @samuelt2072
    @samuelt2072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    LSL/OSB = glue held together by wood

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True but what is wood? You "could" argue that wood is a plant product held together by sugar.

  • @g.r.4853
    @g.r.4853 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    LSL can utilized wood that may be unsuitable for building lumber and they claim that it makes stronger and cheaper joists, roof rafters, manufactured beams or headers but what they fail to say is these LSL products burn faster, hotter and weaken much earlier in case of fire. My department has had roof collapse in as little as 15 minutes and floor collapse in under 10. It may be cheaper but far more dangerous for us firefighters and the damage and repairs usually is much more extensive than "sticks". Consider that in your home planing.

  • @alconk7129
    @alconk7129 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I didn’t know they made it in 2x4. How would that compare strength wise to a regular 2x4?

    • @Rich-lh1kk
      @Rich-lh1kk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The same or better. The real benefit is the straitness and predictability

    • @psergiu
      @psergiu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Straighter, will never bow, stiffer and harder. Like the proper old growth 2x4s of old. As long as water never touches it.

    • @SuperRootUser
      @SuperRootUser 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You don't have to cull 10 percent of the pallet due to defects in natural wood.

  • @LegoTux
    @LegoTux 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Weyerhaeuser, now that's a blast from the past!

  • @JayWC3333
    @JayWC3333 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do they ever have bad tests? If so, what happens?

  • @bombocropper5142
    @bombocropper5142 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    OSP is not as strong as plywood, you can easily put a hole in 1/2 inch sheet with one swing of a framing hammer. As of yet haven't seen any boats or other watercraft constructed with OSB, and the OSB I- beam joists would be considerably stronger if they were made with plywood instead of flake board. When OSB or 'flake board as it's sometimes called is used on the weather side of coastal structures it's durability is poor at best ad usually ends up as land fill fodder. For inland applications where weather conditions are of a drier circumstance it's fine.

  • @cheapcharlie7
    @cheapcharlie7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    LSL vs LVL strength wise?

  • @JoeGP
    @JoeGP 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    LSL huh, that's OSB isn't it ?

  • @SuperDd40
    @SuperDd40 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    LSL , translation : Splinter board

  • @opendstudio7141
    @opendstudio7141 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Poplar LSL in nice and stable, but does not inspire. When you see an over 200 year old hand hewn poplar timber from an old structure, your mind considers the men who put it there. The sweat, skill with axes, his understanding (or lack) of stress and loads in timber frame all based on ship construction. We have had some pretty smart ancestors who continue to inspire us with their grit, strength, knowledge and determination.

  • @120ingram
    @120ingram 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I thought the Canadians used Centigrade, millimeters, and Newtons (for force)

    • @QuadroNVS
      @QuadroNVS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are right but This Old House is an American television show so they probably did many takes before getting all the imperial conversions together

    • @jacobbotden5641
      @jacobbotden5641 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      not for lumber/building supplies, thats all still Imperial

    • @snakeplisken4119
      @snakeplisken4119 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Anyone over 45 in Canada uses both systems interchangeably as we grew up with the imperial system as kids

  • @Mike__B
    @Mike__B 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So they call it LSL to get away from the stigmata of OSB? I wonder if it has similar qualities, like if it gets wet it'll swell and turn to crap.

  • @vanspookyduke
    @vanspookyduke 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    But what's the heat source for the dryer?

  • @thomaslandry403
    @thomaslandry403 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good to see some Canadian Lumber producers featured

    • @snakeplisken4119
      @snakeplisken4119 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You bet Tom couldn't agree more. Dont let Trump see this video as he's liable to slap a tarrriFs on this as well.

  • @Bremend
    @Bremend 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    No recycling?

  • @mattysacre9011
    @mattysacre9011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would like to see how they hold after 100 years.

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it will be interesting, but, seeing as few people alive today will ever find out then who cares?
      For all we know far more efficient methods of producing engineered timber will have evolved.
      Hopefully both waterproof and bug proof. And everything else "proof" as in not flammable, say.
      In short why worry about tomorrow? Let's just get through today.

    • @mattysacre9011
      @mattysacre9011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@t1n4444 I'm 16 years old and I plan to build a custom house that will be in my family for generations. I am learning as much as I can about building science because the last thing I want is a house that only lasts 70 years. According to the research I've done, these LSLs are expected to last 100 years so I guess I'll sister an LSL stud next to every 2x6 dimensional lumber stud. I live in a high wind zone.

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattysacre9011 Hmm, a very reasonable proposition ...but ... you may find building regs (your Code?) will change more than once before you get around to building a house, or change during the house's lifetime.
      Now, the following is applicable, thus far, to houses in UK. Currently we heat our homes with natural gas, fuel oil, solid fuel (wood or coal nuggets) or electricity, directly or perhaps powering heat exchangers. (Which can both heat and cool homes.)
      The solid fuel must be classed as smokeless (as in wood with less than 20% moisture content). We can't burn "raw" coal as such but has to be processed into nuggets or briquettes so as to not cause smoke.
      Fuel oil is diesel 1, kerosene, or 2, ordinary diesel.
      Kerosene burns cleaner than standard diesel and is cheaper.
      However to complicate things further we are obliged to burn fuels which are considered very low in particulate emissions, sub 2.5 microns ... at the moment. Could easily be reduced to sub 1 micron particulates. It's only a "legislation" away so to speak.
      On top of that we have to watch for noxious gas emissions. As in oxides of nitrogen.
      To discourage the use of fossil fuels our government is not slow to impose taxation or fuel duty as it sees fit.
      So, the point of all this is that here in UK (and Europe) we have a huge amount of experience of very old houses.
      Unfortunately, for the owners, very old houses are notoriously expensive to maintain and heat.
      Our most modern housing stock is far most sophisticated in design and construction, especially with things such as insulation, passive heating etc, etc.
      In fact ToH has covered a lot of these issues at least a decade before you arrived on the planet so it is proven technology, and if you haven't had a squint at these videos, they are very, very well worth watching. In fact I think Bob Vila built his own house on the passive heating principal and I gather he was plenty warm enough.
      However, not all things stay the same ... as of 2025 new UK housing stock will be built without gas heating. Doubtless some people will attempt to retro fit gas central heating systems but my money's on legislation preventing this.
      So, your plans to build a house to last may be an excellent notion "today" but will it be compliant in the future?
      Currently your CiC is not wholly convinced of the global warming being caused by "us" and consequently is not following exactly the same protocols other countries do.
      It is not beyond the bounds of probabilities that following Authorities change their minds and you are obliged to gradually dispense with fossil fuels.
      Ergo trying to heat an old ish house may become extremely expensive. I speculate further that your local house taxes, for want of a better expression, may end up being proportional to how effective or efficient your house is. As in the lower the "U" value the lower the house taxes. ( "U" value equates to thermal transmittence for those wondering.)
      Electric heating is now back in "favour" because electricity can be generated without emissions, via solar, wind power, hydro, tidal and of course by reactors.
      No government likes to outright ban things in the domestic sphere so gradually increase taxation on fossil fuels so eventually folk get the message and we migrate to other forms of heating, but for the sake of argument we'll say electricity.
      ( Electricity is "clean" at the point of use, so good for urban dormitory areas. And if generated by non fossil fuel means then good for the planet.)
      You'll have noted the slow but sure increase in electric vehicles. By vehicle I include railway locomotives. As I type more main lines are being "electrified". The smaller branch line locos might end up being hybrids as the most cost effective.( I speculate here btw.)
      Mind you, our PM is dead keen on the UK being "the" centre of excellence in the field of battery technology so perhaps we will see battery powered locos one day?
      Anyway I see I have moved off topic slightly. But, if I might suggest you gen up on the science of efficient homes. It may be your desire for a massively built home is no longer the best option.
      Although that said (and to muddy the waters) I have a Japanese architectural magazine, over 30 years old, which features underground homes (Think Hobbiton.)
      I will concede that if you were to "cut and cover" then " massive" would work. However, is a mound of earth quite what you have in mind for the family pile?
      These constructions rely on a "lot" of concrete to keep the house from collapsing. And, as you might know, making cement powder is not a particularly green way to build, so to speak.
      Anyway, best of luck whatever route you take.

  • @nealwright5630
    @nealwright5630 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My experience is that I wouldn't trust that as Framing material because after it gets soaked (it's literally a sponge) and dries out it swells and crumbles. Back in the day, OSB was the cheapest material you could by in 4x8 sheets. Now it's just as expensive as plywood.

    • @nealwright5630
      @nealwright5630 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Toob247 I worked at a hardware store in the 80s and they had a Display for OSB that had a piece immersed in water to show it wouldn’t rot. I tried to get them to remove it and leave it in the sun for a couple of days. They wouldn’t do it.
      Then, in 2002, I put vinyl siding on the entire house to cover the OSB “siding”. I had to cut the bottom off every piece and replace it before i could cover it up because of swelling and rot.

  • @SteveBueche1027
    @SteveBueche1027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I thought testing a 2 x 4 would be a compression test. I’ve never tried to pull a board apart.
    I’d also be hesitant if a little moisture got to any OSB product. For a few extra bucks I’ll pay for plywood and boards.
    I can see this in small sheds any projects but not houses.

    • @godbluffvdgg
      @godbluffvdgg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      LOL...Friend, you have no clue...You think those 40 rail cars and 75 trucks PER WEEK are going to sheds? This stuff is magnitudes better than regular plywood and less wasteful. Carpenter/builder for over 30 years.

    • @xBRVTALx
      @xBRVTALx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      LSL studs and beams are far stronger than dimensional lumber. Most builders will frame exterior walls with 2x6 dimensional and the interior structures will be LSL. Very useful when framing large rake walls because you'll never find a 16ft 2x4 that is straight. Try building a tall wall with regular lumber and if there's any light coming across that wall it will look like waves in an ocean.

    • @SteveBueche1027
      @SteveBueche1027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      xBRVTALx I head what you’re saying and agree to a point but the only thing I ever used a 16’ 2x4 would be a top/bottom plate.

    • @SteveBueche1027
      @SteveBueche1027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ROB-IN-PHILLY also a builder now in my 60’s. If this is equal to a laminated beam then I would agree.

    • @snakeplisken4119
      @snakeplisken4119 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@godbluffvdgg that's because my friend it's cheaper not better

  • @Fusiongearz
    @Fusiongearz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Apparently this product is stronger than s solid cut piece of lumber

    • @augustreil
      @augustreil 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Way stronger, straighter and stable.

    • @lanetterichardson9322
      @lanetterichardson9322 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't get it wet though,

    • @bgrady24
      @bgrady24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lanette Richardson same with lumber it will warp

  • @XPStartupSound
    @XPStartupSound 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    "we haven't automated this part but we're working on it", all I hear is "we are going to fire 30 workers and pass none of the savings onto the consumer" lol

    • @wyattbonnette3414
      @wyattbonnette3414 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The majority of the cost of operate a facility of that size isn't the man power cost, but the raw material and taxes.

  • @imaginarytube
    @imaginarytube 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Made in the USA! The way it should be.

  • @ColeSpolaric
    @ColeSpolaric 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The way Canadians say process bothers the heck out of me.

    • @JamesBiggar
      @JamesBiggar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You mean that Canadian. We laugh at the way Yanks talk when they cross the border too, so it's all good ;)

    • @ColeSpolaric
      @ColeSpolaric 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JamesBiggar I'm sure you do lol. And it's every Canadian I've ever heard that says it that way. At least the pronunciation differences aren't like that between either of us and the UK!

    • @JzimmaSRT
      @JzimmaSRT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe if it was spelled prawwwwcess we would pronounce it more to your liking.

    • @jlacson74
      @jlacson74 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or when they say "hose" for house.

  • @likearockcm
    @likearockcm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great company helping support their community by employing 15 workers ! For awhile anyway.

  • @scott5747
    @scott5747 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much did the Canadians pay to be featured on TOH?

  • @surebrah
    @surebrah 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The wrapping operation they are attempting to automate looks dangerous. That guy's hand is inches from the conveyor.

  • @ca_ged
    @ca_ged 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Haven't automated the wrapping station yet, but we're working on it." I'm sure the employees standing next to him are comforted by that. lol

  • @elevate32767
    @elevate32767 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    $15 billion dollars worth of lumber

  • @adelk7116
    @adelk7116 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was this video made before Rona?

  • @803mastiff9
    @803mastiff9 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Useless Mouth Breathers at the wrap station. Nice video up til that end.

  • @lincolntrains2639
    @lincolntrains2639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So they're making osb? Never heard anyone call it LSL always been known as osb?

    • @johnmoody2365
      @johnmoody2365 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes was thinking the same so went looking and found this helpful explanation:
      www.apawood.org/structural-composite-lumber

  • @bogey19018
    @bogey19018 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So, this is where that garbage is made..

  • @lb9364
    @lb9364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Weird to see almost no people in the plant. Then, where there are some, in the wrap section, Manager says he's working on automating it too (aka getting rid of them). Old story, by now. But tragic nonetheless.

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is why weyerhauser took over Macmillan bloedel to get the patents from "TRUSS JOIST MACMILLAN" AND "MB PARRALAM" and to kill their longstanding British Columbia competition........which they of course did a lot of America's best and Canadian IWA MEMBERS lost their jobs.......nice to at least see some Eastern Canadian workers are still employed.

  • @julianreverse
    @julianreverse 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Poplar :-D The cheapest of the cheapest ...

  • @civilengineerrajkumar7428
    @civilengineerrajkumar7428 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much cost of this machine?? Reply

    • @kenc2257
      @kenc2257 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd think it'd be in the 10s of millions of Canadian dollars...so, maybe about $50 bucks US? [just joking! We love our Canadian neighbors!]

  • @scottfirman
    @scottfirman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When he said they will be automating the finish jobs, I thought, yes, lets put people out of work. Don't buy this product.

  • @Pisti846
    @Pisti846 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gets wet, disintegrates.

  • @scottmoore7440
    @scottmoore7440 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does this stuff compare to old school lumber? My house is made with Douglas Fir. 2x8, 2x6. I feel like this stuff is garbage for a home.

    • @dowboy98
      @dowboy98 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's significantly cheaper.

    • @snakeplisken4119
      @snakeplisken4119 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Doug Fir is an Amazing wood

  • @benjaminvivar7855
    @benjaminvivar7855 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Capitalism is amazing !

    • @PENDEHIJO
      @PENDEHIJO 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tell that to the workers at the end of the video about to lose their jobs to automation.

    • @benjaminvivar7855
      @benjaminvivar7855 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      PENDEHIJO I Would bet, you own and drive a car. And not a horse . That car gives you the ability to find work hundreds of miles away. Capitalism is amazing. Appreciate what you have !

    • @savageboner
      @savageboner 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This video literally has nothing to do with Capitalism.

    • @benjaminvivar7855
      @benjaminvivar7855 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Keith Mason Postmodernism is the idea that reality is not mirrored in human understanding, but rather constructed as individuals find their own reality.

    • @snakeplisken4119
      @snakeplisken4119 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@benjaminvivar7855 Capitalism is what's gonna doom this planet and all the souls in it

  • @rawbacon
    @rawbacon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great until it gets wet once.

    • @augustreil
      @augustreil 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This isn't the old OSB that we are all used to.

  • @abdebee3221
    @abdebee3221 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    plasics+wood=tons of toxic wast. thank you!

  • @juliof970
    @juliof970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We use so much trees. We need them for both air and structure. A dilemma.

    • @dnomyarnostaw
      @dnomyarnostaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Trees use nearly as much oxygen as they create.
      Its the ocean life that gives us the vast majority of breathable oxygen we need.

    • @juliof970
      @juliof970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dnomyarnostaw yes The ocean produces so much breathable air . How do trees absorb o2?

    • @dnomyarnostaw
      @dnomyarnostaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@juliof970 Just Google plant respiration.
      Plant matter has day snd night cycles

    • @juliof970
      @juliof970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dnomyarnostaw , well this topic changed course.

  • @iamthepeterman54
    @iamthepeterman54 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m not one to typically comment, but All the comments about automation being a negative thing are kinda sad. You think those guys want to package lumber? They could make way more being the one’s to install the automation. Bottom line, don’t do a job that a robot could easily do! Low skills = low wage. Start low and work you’re way up! It’s not rude to say these things, it’s just facts. These people that say otherwise have never ran a company or had to make payroll.

  • @bgrady24
    @bgrady24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    For those whining about automating the packaging process and will put these guys out of a job: did you weep for the horse crap cleaners when cars were invented?

    • @ccoit
      @ccoit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I wasn't around for that. Your question is irrelevant.

    • @bgrady24
      @bgrady24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      darkity fine. Do you weep for the cashier who used to work at Blockbuster?

    • @rexcherry33
      @rexcherry33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is the lowest-common-denominator communication everyone has adopted online -- the one-upper. "Did you weep for the horse crap cleaners and Blockbuster cashiers?" Such a jackass thing to say and it's all I see anymore. It's even seeped into T.O.H.

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ccoit Absolutely not irrelevant at all.
      It's your response which lacked relevance 😂. As in I don't suppose he meant anyone in particular.

    • @t1n4444
      @t1n4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rexcherry33 It may be RB that if you are detecting more of same then this merely reflects people becoming "woke".
      In short time moves on and looking backwards with "manufactured nostalgia" isn't worth it, on the grounds you can't do much about it now.

  • @bsm6776
    @bsm6776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They couldn’t feature an American company?

    • @psergiu
      @psergiu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Canada is a state in the American continent. Like Maine, Minnesota and Mexico.

    • @snakeplisken4119
      @snakeplisken4119 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Where do you think a lot of your wood comes from .Go hide behind your wall

    • @bsm6776
      @bsm6776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      mike dwyer your mom doesn’t mind my wood

    • @n9wox
      @n9wox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Weyerhaeuser is an American timberland company which owns nearly 12.4 million acres of timberlands in the U.S. and manages an additional 14.0 million acres timberlands under long-term licenses in Canada.
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weyerhaeuser

    • @bsm6776
      @bsm6776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tom Cartmel I’ve heard the name. Yeah who didn’t they do there? Why support Canada. They can get their own TOH.

  • @mailliw75
    @mailliw75 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    LSL is crap. Nearly impossible to nail through and bunch weaker than LVL