I've watched this video maybe 6 or 7 times already. You have done an excellent job. I'm looking to get into making doors as a small side hustle and will be receiving my saw/shaper in about a month or so. I'm completely new to using a shaper and although this set is pricy, I have done doors with a router bit set and didn't enjoy it at all. This set looks to alleviate all of those frustrations.
@@SaleemHodge It's such a treat to use! My research shows it is the least expensive of the professinal grade sets because Whitehill makes it themselves. It is not a resaled product from another manufacturer. The shaper (spindle moulder) is the most versatile tool in the shop and will become your favorite machine....to the point you will want a second one! Purchase a book entitled "The Spindle Moulder Handbook" by Eric Stevenson. It is the most modern, English language book on the safe use of your machine. It will blow your mind what you can do with your machine!
@@DovetailTimberworks So sorry for the delayed response. I came back to watch the video again :D. Just saw the comment. I'll go grab that book now. I received my new machine and will be saving up to get this set. The only tooling i have currently is the Felder grooving cutters. I have a lot of research ahead but it will all revolve around Whitehill! I still can't thank you enough for this amazing resource!
@@SaleemHodge They just started making a bevel style mission set that works the same way, ie you don't have to buy a whole new set, just the two components!
@@DovetailTimberworks It seems like a step entry into their system but it looks to pay off in less complication and components. Thanks again! Hopefully you find some time to do a video of the new style. Thanks again!
Great video Brent. Love how thorough you are on all the aspects and considerations. Also nice to see Whitehill get some airtime. I've been using their cutters for over 20 years now and really like the company and their service.
Thank you David, I appreciate hearing that! It was a lot of work so thank you for the kind words. They have always been so nice to work with and a good example of a great customer service model. This set was fun to explore and IMHO the best one out there from what I can read and see.
Super interesting video Brent. You put a lot a of time into making that. What a great set. I’d certainly look at buying one if I did cabinets more often or especially if I had a kitchen to make
@@DovetailTimberworks It was an old set and when I went to buy replacement tips, I was quoted £1100. I bought the new set for £1800 with more options, shaker, ovlo and the variable panel thickness
Hey Brent, in the closing comments you mention machining the edge with the zero set aspect of these cutters. Do you mean with a rebate head or other cutter? Can you elaborate on that detail? Thanks for posting this video
Profiling the outside perimeter of kitchen doors is pretty popular these days with many different coves, ovolo profiles etc quite common, and even just simple round overs on front and back edges. Whitehill can provide tooling (knives for limiter blocks) that will do this for you and if desired and you have large production volumes you could have a block made that will work with the zero set principles to make moving through the steps of door making very efficiently.
Great video. I'm sold on the whitehill set. Can you send me a link for the coping sled you are using? Ive tried to search for it and havent had any luck. Thanks!
Freeborn makes brazed carbide as well as insert style. Insert like this set will always out perform the brazed because inserts will always be sharper than brazed, there is no need to send away for sharpening (just swap the inserts instead) and the tooling will not change diameter as you sharpen which means all your jigs and shaper settings remain valid.
Regarding the insert style, the freeborn sets are smaller diameter (cut quality is better with larger diameter) have less thickness range, less adjustability for groove width, no long tenon option ....and more.
At today's exchange it's around $2k USD for the three profile set, less for just the mission set. I put a link to their web page in the description for you so you can always get the latest.
@@davidbryanwoodworksandmore Sorry, missed this question. I didn't notice any issues on the grooves at all. I was deliberately asking for trouble a few times but feeding backwards and on squirrely grain and the worst I got was some fuzz in a couple of places, but really that stock wouldn't be used on a door anyway.
Very good review thank you for that but when I looked up the price to order this item I nearly fell over how do they justify over £2700 or $4610 Canadian that's crazy money and that doesn't include shipping WTF I would need to make around 8 full sized Kitchens with this tooling just to break even before it has paid for its self ill wait till I become a millionaire woodworker maybe not as I wouldn't need to work then LOL
Haha! Yes, it is certainly not for a hobbyist but more for a shop making kitchens commercially. That said, it is actually nowhere near the most expensive version out there. Because Whitehill actually makes this set, there is no markup at many places along the supply chain so it ends up less expensive than many, but also more flexible. If you scroll back a couple of years, you will see a two-part video on making cabinet doors with much less expensive tooling options. Let me know what you think.
Absolutely, my feeling is you'd need a minimum of 3 to 5 kitchens a year to justify it but everyone has their own way of doing the calculation. What I like about Whitehill is they offer options suitable for the weekend warrior, right up to the full time professional. Thank you for the comment. I am hoping to be able to review some of the additional components available for the set, namely glass door options and shaker options! Stay tuned.
@@rupert5390 Me too! I would say 3/4 of the raised panels I make are for myself, or for passageway doors or for reproduction kitchen doors that have to match existing. I have a two part video on kitchen doors that includes raised panels from a couple of years ago if you're interested.
A well done overview. Thank you. Steve
Thanks Steve, it was a lot of fun to review!
I've watched this video maybe 6 or 7 times already. You have done an excellent job. I'm looking to get into making doors as a small side hustle and will be receiving my saw/shaper in about a month or so. I'm completely new to using a shaper and although this set is pricy, I have done doors with a router bit set and didn't enjoy it at all. This set looks to alleviate all of those frustrations.
@@SaleemHodge It's such a treat to use! My research shows it is the least expensive of the professinal grade sets because Whitehill makes it themselves. It is not a resaled product from another manufacturer. The shaper (spindle moulder) is the most versatile tool in the shop and will become your favorite machine....to the point you will want a second one! Purchase a book entitled "The Spindle Moulder Handbook" by Eric Stevenson. It is the most modern, English language book on the safe use of your machine. It will blow your mind what you can do with your machine!
@@DovetailTimberworks So sorry for the delayed response. I came back to watch the video again :D. Just saw the comment. I'll go grab that book now. I received my new machine and will be saving up to get this set. The only tooling i have currently is the Felder grooving cutters. I have a lot of research ahead but it will all revolve around Whitehill! I still can't thank you enough for this amazing resource!
@@SaleemHodge They just started making a bevel style mission set that works the same way, ie you don't have to buy a whole new set, just the two components!
@@DovetailTimberworks It seems like a step entry into their system but it looks to pay off in less complication and components. Thanks again! Hopefully you find some time to do a video of the new style. Thanks again!
Great video Brent. Love how thorough you are on all the aspects and considerations. Also nice to see Whitehill get some airtime. I've been using their cutters for over 20 years now and really like the company and their service.
Thank you David, I appreciate hearing that! It was a lot of work so thank you for the kind words. They have always been so nice to work with and a good example of a great customer service model. This set was fun to explore and IMHO the best one out there from what I can read and see.
Great video. Now I need the set 😂
Haha, sorry!
Super interesting video Brent. You put a lot a of time into making that. What a great set. I’d certainly look at buying one if I did cabinets more often or especially if I had a kitchen to make
Thank you, they take more time than you'd think eh? It really is a practical set and I thought deserved more exposure.
I have this set and it is top quality. I bought it to replace a set I had from Leitz.
Very interesting, thanks for the comment. I'd like to hear what you preferred over the Leitz set.
@@DovetailTimberworks It was an old set and when I went to buy replacement tips, I was quoted £1100. I bought the new set for £1800 with more options, shaker, ovlo and the variable panel thickness
Great video. This is a great help thank you
Thank you, appreciate hearing it was helpful! I am hoping to have the other profiles in the shop before too long to do a follow-up video!
That was a really helpful video so thanks - pricy but good value for what you get. Cheers
Thank you! The versatility and customizability help it stand out I think.
Hey Brent, in the closing comments you mention machining the edge with the zero set aspect of these cutters. Do you mean with a rebate head or other cutter? Can you elaborate on that detail? Thanks for posting this video
Profiling the outside perimeter of kitchen doors is pretty popular these days with many different coves, ovolo profiles etc quite common, and even just simple round overs on front and back edges. Whitehill can provide tooling (knives for limiter blocks) that will do this for you and if desired and you have large production volumes you could have a block made that will work with the zero set principles to make moving through the steps of door making very efficiently.
Two years ago, you said you would cover the coping tool that you're using and do a separate video
I can't seem to find one
Might be able to squeeze that in this winter...
Any thoughts on when the complete twisted timber layout will be posted?
Ran into some chaos here and it's going to be delayed a month probably.
@@DovetailTimberworksI’m familiar with chaos, thanks.
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Damp weather effects my glue
Wood is strong
Great video. I'm sold on the whitehill set. Can you send me a link for the coping sled you are using? Ive tried to search for it and havent had any luck. Thanks!
Thank you! The Aigner contermax jig can be had from Scott and Seargeant in the UK, but I believe there is a supplier in North America too.
whats the advantage to this over dedicated freeborn cutter sets
Freeborn makes brazed carbide as well as insert style. Insert like this set will always out perform the brazed because inserts will always be sharper than brazed, there is no need to send away for sharpening (just swap the inserts instead) and the tooling will not change diameter as you sharpen which means all your jigs and shaper settings remain valid.
Regarding the insert style, the freeborn sets are smaller diameter (cut quality is better with larger diameter) have less thickness range, less adjustability for groove width, no long tenon option ....and more.
Great video and set. How much would a set like that cost in the United States?
At today's exchange it's around $2k USD for the three profile set, less for just the mission set. I put a link to their web page in the description for you so you can always get the latest.
@@DovetailTimberworks thanks a lot. I’ll check out the link. Does the cut on the groove get splinters at all?
@@davidbryanwoodworksandmore Sorry, missed this question. I didn't notice any issues on the grooves at all. I was deliberately asking for trouble a few times but feeding backwards and on squirrely grain and the worst I got was some fuzz in a couple of places, but really that stock wouldn't be used on a door anyway.
Very good review thank you for that but when I looked up the price to order this item I nearly fell over how do they justify over £2700 or $4610 Canadian that's crazy money and that doesn't include shipping WTF I would need to make around 8 full sized Kitchens with this tooling just to break even before it has paid for its self ill wait till I become a millionaire woodworker maybe not as I wouldn't need to work then LOL
Haha! Yes, it is certainly not for a hobbyist but more for a shop making kitchens commercially. That said, it is actually nowhere near the most expensive version out there. Because Whitehill actually makes this set, there is no markup at many places along the supply chain so it ends up less expensive than many, but also more flexible. If you scroll back a couple of years, you will see a two-part video on making cabinet doors with much less expensive tooling options. Let me know what you think.
Also, I am seeing 2275GBP which is about $3875CAD today.
Nice set of cutters but cost is pretty well out of reach unless you're in the business of regularly making cabinets.
Absolutely, my feeling is you'd need a minimum of 3 to 5 kitchens a year to justify it but everyone has their own way of doing the calculation. What I like about Whitehill is they offer options suitable for the weekend warrior, right up to the full time professional. Thank you for the comment. I am hoping to be able to review some of the additional components available for the set, namely glass door options and shaker options! Stay tuned.
but no one wants raised panel doors anymore - its all coloured shiny lami panel.
They're coming back in apparently! Also, for passageway doors and wainscot panelling they're still fairly popular. Higher end stuff though.
@@DovetailTimberworks I'd love to see that - I prefer making those to the crap I have to make
@@rupert5390 Me too! I would say 3/4 of the raised panels I make are for myself, or for passageway doors or for reproduction kitchen doors that have to match existing. I have a two part video on kitchen doors that includes raised panels from a couple of years ago if you're interested.