No way this guy has installed 3000 pull out mounts with just anchors. Even if they have installed 3000 TVs, a large number would have been in studs and most would have been stationary mounts. 1) Those toggles are rated for a set hanging weight, not the repeated force of pulling out the TV. 2) you don't add up the total rating of the anchors as there is no guarantee force applied will be evenly distributed. Ultimately, this was unprofessional. He should have mounted this on rail that is bolted to at least one stud, if not two. With the rail hardware, you can effectively mount it on any location on the wall and still be bolted to a stud.
Exactly. Drywall supports weight pushing down on it, I would think. But NOT weight pulling out from the wall. And it mainly supports vertical weight because of those weight bearing studs they did not anchor into. At least, that would be my layman's understanding.
This is the answer to what the defendant is saying. The brackets hold half a ton, but the sheet rock can't even hold up to people opening the door too hard😂
If it was a fixed mount, the installation should've been sufficient. Knowing it a mount with a movable arm the leverage would've more than drywall can support. Cut drywall stud to stud, install another stud for bracing.
As an expert it is your duty and responsibility to advise the client about possible hazards. If the defendant cared about his reputation he would’ve declined the job because it would not be structurally fesable, or have in the contract that he is not responsible for damages caused by any wishes that go against his professional advice regarding how structurally sound what he is putting up will be.
Idk customers want what they want. If you warn them and they still say I don't care do it than it not your fault. They a grown adult who decided to make that choice. If a grown person told me to put water in his engine to clean it. I'm going to warn and explain to him that it will destory his engine and he shouldn't do it. If after that he says I don't care ans still pay me who am I to tell a grown men what not to do with his own money
@@jaybur21 I agree. Thus why the installer is definitely at fault just his attitude and body language suggest a person that will just throw things together, to hell with it. If that dry wall was 3/8, only a moron would put 4 bolts together within 3-4 inches of each other like that. Unless you were installing a feather-weight 5 pound tv or something. 3/4 might be able to hold a 40-50 pound TV, but if I had the job to install the TV's even then there's no way in hell I'd chance it. I've never heard of a house with wood further than 24 inches apart; those mounts are adjustable enough to find -something- Also over $1,000 to install TV's is beyond robbery holy shit he must of made like $300 an hour maybe more.
This is why we allow the most dangerous surgeries to be done cosmetically. If everyone would change that mentality of "I know what I'm doing is dangerous but I need the cash* less people would die in so many situations! Stop being greedy. Don't do something that can put someone's life in great danger. This wall could've came down in literally anyone or anything. @@jaybur21
Well he should have made plaintiff to sign paper that he take responsibility of tv falling. I know my husband does this and he would of refused to install it. Or have him sign paper of taking responsibility…. Usually costumers listen, but there are some that want their own way.
This is ridiculous. The toggle bolts may be strong enough to hold a car, but that doesn't mean squat if the sheetrock can't hold the weight. How does not anyone understand that??
Moron trying to cover his mistake with technicalities, I hate seeing that! You took a shortcut, you lost. Now do right and compensate the man. The wrong check thing sounded like a legit mistake to me, and for sure that could be annoying. But honestly if someone was being straight with me about it I would be nice and work with them. As long as you intend to pay it's not the end of the world mistakes happen.
What kind of person contracts the services of someone for a job that they can’t afford at the time of the service? I could never see myself asking someone to do work for me, and then telling them they have to wait to be paid. HE should waited until the “funds” were already available before having the guy do the work. Backwards.
Four of the bolts might hold 1,000 pounds. That does not mean the drywall will. Especially pulling in a direction besides the designed "strong axis".....
I have installed bookshelves with toggle bolts. But sometimes there are weak spots in the drywall. But in this case you can see that there are big pieces of drywall attached to all the toggle bolts. So someone ripped the tv off the wall. The customer was just jerking the contractor around. The customer knew in advance what it was going to cost to install the tv s and how long it was going to take to do. So didn't the customer have the money available to pay the contractor? The customer claimed the check was made out on the wrong bank account. He claimed that he had to move money over into the account. Then he customer makes the contractor come to him to get a good check. The customer is just jerking the contractor around hoping to not have to pay him.
Rolling in like championship boxer with his posse behind him. I'm surprised they didn't do the "train" thing with hands on each others shoulders in a line.
All you have to do is mount a piece of wood to the studs that are 18" apart than mount the screens to the wood I used a shelf piece with beveled edges so it looked nice. The toggles might hold a half a ton but no sheet rock ever made will
That tv is small and not heavy and drywall won't break like that with the weight distributed over 4 screws, this tv was pulled out by force I have demoed lots of sheetrock and I know how strong it actually is there is only sertin ways to make it break, meaning brute force and big impacts or pulling very forcefully, true the pull out wasn't used wrong it should have never been a pull out
@@aaronflores21af doesn't matter if they pulled on it wrong while extending the TV out had it been properly mounted to a stud just like the manufactures warning stated
@@markbrandon7359 Agree with Mark. Properly mounted a 200 pound guy could hang off the brackets with his full body weight. If that drywall was 3/8 inch....I don't care how many bolts you put when they're so close together. His evidence looks like a legit drywall failure to me. Installer absolutely responsible.
Probably something else. I think that's why his crew is happy to rep their company on television like so- because THEY know what they're doing and just assumed the same for him. But I think he was off it when he did this job & didn't do it correctly.
I fully admit I could be 100% wrong, but I've never seen anyone / any instructions that mount it to the drywall itself And even if you did I would assume that there would have to be some gnarly drywall anchors included, just doesn't seem like a smart idea.
The contractor is beyond angry with the customer. The customer has been jerking the contractor around. The customer claims he had to put money into the account and it was going to take a few days - that is BS. Then the customer says he put the money into the wrong account - BS. Now the customer claims the tv "fell" off the wall - more BS!
@@jenn_x. Yeah 3/4 inch drywall probably would of held that small TV. I'd say it was 3/8ths, only a moron would rely on that to hold any kind of weight over a few pounds!
@@PersonOnEarth and, what's worse is that there was a stud right there!! I'd be embarrassed to stand there and try to justify the lazy job I'd done, and then double down and claim the homeowner damaged his own walls to try to get back his money. Also, if I were the homeowner, I'd also have a conversation with the builder. He kept saying "new house" as though it was literally just built, and by the looks of the drywall, someone cut some corners.
And if you can’t then you explain to the customer it can’t be done like that but people just want to get paid so they do it wrong. No one cares anymore. And the guy was just trying to get a new tv the sound don’t work but the screen is completely fine after falling off the wall I call BS.
The issue i see with the toggles is that it may be able to support 250# but if it's mounted close to each other it's possible to put a concentrated stress on a small area which resulted to drywall pulling off
Defandant staring aimlessly into outer space while Plaintiff provided case intro abt finding local, reputable biz is classic, things that go Hmmm in life.
Why schedule the work to be done before you even have the funds to cover the work scheduled? That makes no sense. Perfect example of putting the cart before the horse. There are young adults out there in this world brighter than the plaintiff, I'm sure.
We’ve done it before when waiting for the funds to transfer but it was always discussed beforehand with the people doing the work. We let them know the situation and that we will have to wait to do the work until the money posts and many times the person will say it works better for their schedule to do the work now and we can post date the check. Never had a problem with it. But I agree I would never have someone do work and then tell them after they had to wait on their money.
I’ve done it before but it always is discussed beforehand with whoever is doing the work. I let them know I have to transfer funds from saving and we can’t do the job until after a certain date and they look at their schedule and say they will just do the work now and I can post date the check. Even did that once with a car we were purchasing after our original car was totaled in an accident. We said we would have to come back and buy the car the next weekend because the insurance money was coming mid week and they told us not to worry about it and wrote everything up and let us take the car lol. Now I’m sure the latter situation had to do with our good credit score, but it still happened.
As a professional installer myself. I know that any other professional should know not to install a full motion TV bracket with just toggle bolts!! In certain situations you may be able to get away with toggle bolts for a straight mount TV bracket.. meaning the TV cannot pull off the wall and pivot to different angles.. with a full motion bracket.. Once you pull a TV away from a wall the weight distribution is totally different.. much heavier and puts a strain on the point of attachment.. now I don't know about their money situation but that installer for that company did the wrong thing! They tried to do a quick install, collect the money and get the hell out of there! I'm glad they had to pay back something
Someone that has to explain how good of an installer they are and I only use the best materials are people that are bad installers they always try to talk themselves up. Oh and by the way ever dam tv mount I’ve ever came across says to mount it into wall studs
If you weren't supposed to mount it in drywall, why did they include the toggle bolts (that only work in drywall)? That said, it's clear the mounting did not work in this case (inferior drywall?) so the judgement was correct. Installing it in drywall is a crap-shoot and the defendant lost.
You have to buy the appropriate mount for the location. I had to try three different mounts to be able to get it into a stud for a wierd location. There is definitely a mount that would work for this to get it into the stud.
that isn't a very large TV. I don't think it would've ripped out on its own. it probably would need a little help, and very well could've been an accident.
Yeah I'm thinking it was pulled out & maybe the daughter bumped into it and was too afraid to say. But if it was installed properly (which is probably why that big red warning says that) then it wouldn't have fallen.
Drywall won't hold a TV. You have to screw it into the beam. All walls have support beams otherwise you couldn't hang the drywall. If there is no beam in the exact spot you can place one between the joists. This guy's a hack.
The weight being mounted may be within specs of the mounts but the drywall has a weight limit. The weakest link is the max amount that you can mount. If they werent able to use the stud, why not use a bracket and then install the tv.
Just bc the defendant does good work and says he’s done 3000 of these installations, it doesn’t mean one can fail, and he’s delusional to think the plaintiff ripped his TV off the wall!
Why even hire someone if you don't have the money to pay them?? That's so weird to me (almost as weird as thinking that drywall alone can hold such a heavy item)
Is nobody going to mention that the plaintiff is a sleaze ball?! Why would he mount two 5 yr old TVs for $1000 with no money under a whole song and dance to pay. He ripped it out it’s obvious because he wanted a payday for new TVs… that last TV had a screw btw. funny how the TVs that fell were the cheap ones… he sabotaged the job to make him pay for new ones. I feel bad for that business they thought they
The mounting anchors appear sturdy enough, but that does not help with sheet rock / dry walls that are not supposed to be heavy load bearing that you can push thru easily with a small hammer.
Toggle anchors are meant specifically to be installed into straight drywall (no stud, or the toggle wouldn't be necessary). If there's a stud/blocking, you'd simply mount right into it with a screw. The problem here is that was probably 1/2" drywall, not 3/4" AND the drywall was not glued and screwed. If it was glued, you'd see the glue on the 2x4 right behind the hole. That hole was right over a stud. I understand they couldn't mount into the stud because the receptacle right there would've been in the way for the TV mount, but the integrity of 3/4" drywall within 3" of a stud, if glued, should've held up. I can see why the defendant has installed many TVs with toggle anchors and not had this issue. That was cheap board that someone slapped on with no glue.
Services rendered, services tendered. Funds clearing in your bank account is not the contractor's issue. He knew he gave the check from the wrong account to delay until funds get into his account.
When you use toggle bolts in drywall you should not put them all so close together because that creates a pulling pressure on that part of the drywall which weakens the drywall. Four drywall bolts that size that close together create a problem in that one spot.
Never seen those toggles come with a tv mount. I have mounted many and none have ever come off. His bs about that stud made me laugh. It was centered on that stud, could have went right into it.
The installer should have attached a 3/4” thick board across the wall from stud to stud over the drywall and then mount the TV to the 3/4” wood plate. You won’t see the wood plate mounted on the wall behind the TV
It maybe ugly if seen but it would be hiding behind the TV. Add a 2x4 between the 2 studs horizontally and it will be secure to the studs and you won't have to rely on the drywall
"He has a tv that worked" but it only stopped playing sound from the fall and thats it? I think he did have money issues so pulled it off to get his money back so he could he free mounting for the other ones AND tried to get a new tv for the one that just stopped working and is trying to pin it on the defendant
I work with checks at my job and when people post date them, I send them back. I do not want to assume responsibility for holding someone's post dated check. The defendant should not have accepted that check.
The anchors can hold a lot of weight, but the drywall can't. I would never anchor a tv to drywall. All my tv's are anchored to a stud. If there isn't a stud where you want to put it, move it over a couple inches.
I absolutely believe he would have pulled them off the wall. Then had his daughter lie for him. He paid a little over $1000 to install 5 TVs. Yet, after all the "bad stuff" that happened. He got almost ALL of his money back. So umm yes I absolutely believe he was crazy enough to do it. He probably had a family member put up new drywall, so it didn't cost him much there either.
If the defendant ripped the tv off the wall then how did he get into the house where people are living? If the space where the tv mount was installed is narrow then maybe it got bumped. It is extremely unlikely that the drywall around all the toggle bolts was "soft" and could not support the tv. The customer is claiming that all the toggle bolts got tipped out - almost impossible. It is possible but unlikely the defendant ripped the tv off the wall. I have used those kinds of anchors and they definitely can hold a lot of weight. From the pictures you can see that not one anchor had come lose. Each anchor had a big piece of drywall attached to it. Hence somebody ripped it off the wall. But who? Having been a contractor it is extremely upsetting to have to wait for a small amount of money. But people do play games like not having the money to pay you on the day you finish. Then they make you wait a little longer until they can put money into the account. Then they realize they gave you a check based on the wrong account. These are telltale signs that the customer is jerking you around for a few dollars. Maybe the customer is trying to avoid paying you. I know this from experience. I hate having to chase customers for money and likewise so do my contractor friends. My drywall contractor friend was owed thousands for having drywalled a basement. The contractor is a real professional. His work is perfect - every time. The customer tried to not pay him. But the contractor told him that unless he gives him a certified check he is going back inside the house and rip all the drywall off. The customer threatened the contractor claiming he had been part of the IRA. Well my contractor friend said that he had survived the Croatian Serbian war and had seen more dead bodies than there are bricks on the wall. Finally the customer realized the contractor really meant to harm him and so went and got the check certified. I found out about this sometime later because the contractor and I became really good friends when we met on a job. By that time the customer had ripped me off for about $3000 and another company for $6000. Legally we could not sue or do anythng because the ocmpany had gone bankrupt and also we could not put a lien on the property. That is what it takes sometimes to get paid by a customer. The customer will just jerk you around forever. The customer here is certainly jerking the contractor around. It is likely that the contractor ripped the tv off the wall but the customer can not prove it. Luckily there is anot a lot of money involved but there sure is a lot of frustration caused by the customer.
The hole is right over the stud! So why did he say there were not studs to use? If the defendant is such an expert he should have told the plaintiff it wouldn't be advisable to use anchors and not do the job. Defendant cheaped out on the guy.
Why wouldn’t you drill directly into the wood studs?!?! He didn’t have to use the toggle bolt!!! The tv arm is meant to extend and will be heavier the further it extends out.
That’s a fairly light tv and mount There’s no way that tv just fell down on its own. Someone put some serious weight on it. The toggles didn’t pull through an entire chunk ripped off the wall. That’s pretty hard to do. With that said the installer may have learned a lesson for the future.
Never ever mount a TV to the wall without wood being behind it. If you don't have would take a 2 * 4 or 2 by 6:00 to the outside of the drywall into the two studs that are 16 inches on Center
Those work it depends how big the TV is of course but 1/2 in sheetrock no way 5/8 you might have a chance and the way those are all together like that that's why it fell if they were corners you have a better chance
No need to fear; screw each side of the TV into a solid piece of wood and it's so strong a 300 pound guy could grab onto the TV mount and do pullups. Won't budge one bit!
I don't trust the plaintiff. He gave them the bad check on purchase to postpone payment. You check thoroughly when writing a big check for your protection, he knew what he was doing. I worked at a construction company and have seen it all. Yes construction people cut corners all the time, but customers try to shaft workers too. It was my first real job after college. I was so disillusioned. I tried so hard to block my company people from cheating customers. I had to quit after 3 years bc I could not do what they asked.
Paying for a bad installation with a bad check. There was never going to be a good result from this transaction.
No way would I wall mount a TV and rely on drywall, especially a wall mount that is a pull out. It should always be mounted in a stud.
Facts the common sense. I’ve mounted 8 TVs in my house.
Why is he having work done without the money to pay for him?
@@RosemarySmith-x2y Exactly
Years ago, no ...today, yes, my bedroom TV is around 10lbs.
No way this guy has installed 3000 pull out mounts with just anchors. Even if they have installed 3000 TVs, a large number would have been in studs and most would have been stationary mounts. 1) Those toggles are rated for a set hanging weight, not the repeated force of pulling out the TV. 2) you don't add up the total rating of the anchors as there is no guarantee force applied will be evenly distributed.
Ultimately, this was unprofessional. He should have mounted this on rail that is bolted to at least one stud, if not two. With the rail hardware, you can effectively mount it on any location on the wall and still be bolted to a stud.
The toggle bolts may hold a certain amount of weight, but the dry wall doesn't .😅
I would NEVER install into dry wall only…Never
Exactly. Drywall supports weight pushing down on it, I would think. But NOT weight pulling out from the wall. And it mainly supports vertical weight because of those weight bearing studs they did not anchor into. At least, that would be my layman's understanding.
This is the answer to what the defendant is saying. The brackets hold half a ton, but the sheet rock can't even hold up to people opening the door too hard😂
If it was a fixed mount, the installation should've been sufficient. Knowing it a mount with a movable arm the leverage would've more than drywall can support. Cut drywall stud to stud, install another stud for bracing.
@@MJJR247 plus standard is 16 in on center can find a stud easy
As an expert it is your duty and responsibility to advise the client about possible hazards. If the defendant cared about his reputation he would’ve declined the job because it would not be structurally fesable, or have in the contract that he is not responsible for damages caused by any wishes that go against his professional advice regarding how structurally sound what he is putting up will be.
Exactly. If ya can't do it properly, don't do it.
Idk customers want what they want. If you warn them and they still say I don't care do it than it not your fault. They a grown adult who decided to make that choice. If a grown person told me to put water in his engine to clean it. I'm going to warn and explain to him that it will destory his engine and he shouldn't do it. If after that he says I don't care ans still pay me who am I to tell a grown men what not to do with his own money
@@jaybur21 I agree. Thus why the installer is definitely at fault just his attitude and body language suggest a person that will just throw things together, to hell with it.
If that dry wall was 3/8, only a moron would put 4 bolts together within 3-4 inches of each other like that. Unless you were installing a feather-weight 5 pound tv or something.
3/4 might be able to hold a 40-50 pound TV, but if I had the job to install the TV's even then there's no way in hell I'd chance it. I've never heard of a house with wood further than 24 inches apart; those mounts are adjustable enough to find -something-
Also over $1,000 to install TV's is beyond robbery holy shit he must of made like $300 an hour maybe more.
This is why we allow the most dangerous surgeries to be done cosmetically. If everyone would change that mentality of "I know what I'm doing is dangerous but I need the cash* less people would die in so many situations! Stop being greedy. Don't do something that can put someone's life in great danger. This wall could've came down in literally anyone or anything. @@jaybur21
Well he should have made plaintiff to sign paper that he take responsibility of tv falling. I know my husband does this and he would of refused to install it. Or have him sign paper of taking responsibility…. Usually costumers listen, but there are some that want their own way.
This is ridiculous. The toggle bolts may be strong enough to hold a car, but that doesn't mean squat if the sheetrock can't hold the weight. How does not anyone understand that??
Moron trying to cover his mistake with technicalities, I hate seeing that! You took a shortcut, you lost. Now do right and compensate the man. The wrong check thing sounded like a legit mistake to me, and for sure that could be annoying. But honestly if someone was being straight with me about it I would be nice and work with them. As long as you intend to pay it's not the end of the world mistakes happen.
I'd never wall mount a TV for that very reason.
What kind of person contracts the services of someone for a job that they can’t afford at the time of the service? I could never see myself asking someone to do work for me, and then telling them they have to wait to be paid. HE should waited until the “funds” were already available before having the guy do the work. Backwards.
he has 5 tvs too
People want things they can't afford....especially nowadays. Make your neighbors jealous, and go broke in the process.
Four of the bolts might hold 1,000 pounds. That does not mean the drywall will. Especially pulling in a direction besides the designed "strong axis".....
I have installed bookshelves with toggle bolts. But sometimes there are weak spots in the drywall. But in this case you can see that there are big pieces of drywall attached to all the toggle bolts. So someone ripped the tv off the wall.
The customer was just jerking the contractor around. The customer knew in advance what it was going to cost to install the tv s and how long it was going to take to do. So didn't the customer have the money available to pay the contractor? The customer claimed the check was made out on the wrong bank account. He claimed that he had to move money over into the account. Then he customer makes the contractor come to him to get a good check. The customer is just jerking the contractor around hoping to not have to pay him.
Defendant brought the whole clan. 😂😂
Most litigants who get sued don't want the name of their company mentioned... NOT THIS CREW!!! 😂
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They should not have had the company name mentioned! I would not hire them! 📺
Rolling in like championship boxer with his posse behind him. I'm surprised they didn't do the "train" thing with hands on each others shoulders in a line.
@@newsflash7609😛
Which is another reason why I believe him.
"Two TVs? Wow, you must be rich." - Uncle McFly
All you have to do is mount a piece of wood to the studs that are 18" apart than mount the screens to the wood I used a shelf piece with beveled edges so it looked nice. The toggles might hold a half a ton but no sheet rock ever made will
Exactly! Mine is mounted just like that but I used lag screws not toggles.
And the installer would easily know that or he needs a career change
That tv is small and not heavy and drywall won't break like that with the weight distributed over 4 screws, this tv was pulled out by force I have demoed lots of sheetrock and I know how strong it actually is there is only sertin ways to make it break, meaning brute force and big impacts or pulling very forcefully, true the pull out wasn't used wrong it should have never been a pull out
@@aaronflores21af doesn't matter if they pulled on it wrong while extending the TV out had it been properly mounted to a stud just like the manufactures warning stated
@@markbrandon7359 Agree with Mark. Properly mounted a 200 pound guy could hang off the brackets with his full body weight.
If that drywall was 3/8 inch....I don't care how many bolts you put when they're so close together. His evidence looks like a legit drywall failure to me. Installer absolutely responsible.
So the judge asks him about the mounting issue and he proceeds to explain the check issue again? People just can't answer the question asked
that's a full motion mount. those need studs.
NO they do not need studs. I have used those kinds of anchors.
Something is wrong with the handyman/contractor. He can't stop moving like he had way too much coffee or something else.
Probably something else. I think that's why his crew is happy to rep their company on television like so- because THEY know what they're doing and just assumed the same for him. But I think he was off it when he did this job & didn't do it correctly.
I was gonna say the something to
I fully admit I could be 100% wrong, but I've never seen anyone / any instructions that mount it to the drywall itself And even if you did I would assume that there would have to be some gnarly drywall anchors included, just doesn't seem like a smart idea.
The contractor is beyond angry with the customer. The customer has been jerking the contractor around. The customer claims he had to put money into the account and it was going to take a few days - that is BS. Then the customer says he put the money into the wrong account - BS. Now the customer claims the tv "fell" off the wall - more BS!
I think the litigants were both playing a little game of what I call, "Quién es más macho?"
I just want one person to say.. “what the heck does that mean?” Or que?
@katet3327 😂if they watch regularly or know Spanish they already know 😏
@@katet3327 Everyone knows what más macho means. It's not hard to figure out what that question means
She always explains in English what it means
@@lone.faerie possibly but she says it super fast so maybe it’s not so understandable
Tony Danza there legitimately said that those 4 anchors can hold over 1000 lbs in drywall? Drywall is basically a paper lined 3/4 inch sheet of chalk.
And that drywall is definitely the thinnest I've ever seen!
@@jenn_x. Yeah 3/4 inch drywall probably would of held that small TV. I'd say it was 3/8ths, only a moron would rely on that to hold any kind of weight over a few pounds!
@@PersonOnEarth and, what's worse is that there was a stud right there!! I'd be embarrassed to stand there and try to justify the lazy job I'd done, and then double down and claim the homeowner damaged his own walls to try to get back his money.
Also, if I were the homeowner, I'd also have a conversation with the builder. He kept saying "new house" as though it was literally just built, and by the looks of the drywall, someone cut some corners.
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I was the crafty-one in my marriage. I survived on TH-cam videos, lol 😂 Hanging '101' get a stud finder! No stud, no hangy 😂
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Exactly!
The sound went out on his old TV so he thought he found a way to get a new one.
Yes exactly thank you I'm shocked nobody else is seeing this
@@aaronflores21afso HE Knocked down his own tv???
And ruin his wall??
yes , plus I don't think the only damage from a tv falling off the wall would just be sound that goes in and out...
Dont write checks your butt cant cash!
EXACTLY RIGHT! The customer is simply jerking the contractor around. The customer really does not want to pay the contractor.
I will never install a TV in the drywall without using the 2 × 4 behind or make my own😮😮😮
I have mounted a big tv using the toggle bolts.
You can break drywall just by leaning on it. No way it's going to hold a TV
A brace needed to be mounted into the studs, then the TV into the brace. I'm blown away that a professional company wouldn't take this extra step.
And if you can’t then you explain to the customer it can’t be done like that but people just want to get paid so they do it wrong. No one cares anymore. And the guy was just trying to get a new tv the sound don’t work but the screen is completely fine after falling off the wall I call BS.
The issue i see with the toggles is that it may be able to support 250# but if it's mounted close to each other it's possible to put a concentrated stress on a small area which resulted to drywall pulling off
Dude says the anchors will collectively hold a half a ton, then says they were pulled out by a 250 lb man...
Her research said it all!
Defandant staring aimlessly into outer space while Plaintiff provided case intro abt finding local, reputable biz is classic, things that go Hmmm in life.
Why schedule the work to be done before you even have the funds to cover the work scheduled? That makes no sense. Perfect example of putting the cart before the horse. There are young adults out there in this world brighter than the plaintiff, I'm sure.
We’ve done it before when waiting for the funds to transfer but it was always discussed beforehand with the people doing the work. We let them know the situation and that we will have to wait to do the work until the money posts and many times the person will say it works better for their schedule to do the work now and we can post date the check. Never had a problem with it. But I agree I would never have someone do work and then tell them after they had to wait on their money.
The defendant has all the signs of a tweaker 😵💫
But at least he’d be fast.. 😂
Who hires someone to do a job and not have the funds readily available to pay for the services? That’s crazy business.
He just advertised not to use his company to install tv😂😂😂😂😂
I'm sorry but it's so trashy to give someone a post-dated check and tell them you can't cash this.
I’ve done it before but it always is discussed beforehand with whoever is doing the work. I let them know I have to transfer funds from saving and we can’t do the job until after a certain date and they look at their schedule and say they will just do the work now and I can post date the check. Even did that once with a car we were purchasing after our original car was totaled in an accident. We said we would have to come back and buy the car the next weekend because the insurance money was coming mid week and they told us not to worry about it and wrote everything up and let us take the car lol. Now I’m sure the latter situation had to do with our good credit score, but it still happened.
Tony Danza was high as a 🚀 😂
Sips tea. Go on sis.
There's no way that TV could rip up dry wall at that weight. Crooked owner !
As a professional installer myself. I know that any other professional should know not to install a full motion TV bracket with just toggle bolts!! In certain situations you may be able to get away with toggle bolts for a straight mount TV bracket.. meaning the TV cannot pull off the wall and pivot to different angles.. with a full motion bracket.. Once you pull a TV away from a wall the weight distribution is totally different.. much heavier and puts a strain on the point of attachment.. now I don't know about their money situation but that installer for that company did the wrong thing! They tried to do a quick install, collect the money and get the hell out of there! I'm glad they had to pay back something
Great explanation.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣i haven't seen TV cases like this in awhile and I never laughed so hard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He could’ve easily mounted the two bolts on the right hand side of the plate to that stud. That’s a bad install job.
Someone that has to explain how good of an installer they are and I only use the best materials are people that are bad installers they always try to talk themselves up. Oh and by the way ever dam tv mount I’ve ever came across says to mount it into wall studs
The plaintiff caused the problem. He's broke and wants his money back
It makes perfect sense, Harv, if the guy wants the job redone for free.
Some humans are stupid enough to do damage then roll the dice in court.
He's standing there advertising his business and it's more like hey don't use us 🤣🤣
I have no experience of installing TVs on walls. But I know I would not install a TV holder on a dry wall. It has to be held on a solid concrete wall.
Wall stud
Advertising on the short, priceless
If you weren't supposed to mount it in drywall, why did they include the toggle bolts (that only work in drywall)? That said, it's clear the mounting did not work in this case (inferior drywall?) so the judgement was correct. Installing it in drywall is a crap-shoot and the defendant lost.
You have to buy the appropriate mount for the location. I had to try three different mounts to be able to get it into a stud for a wierd location. There is definitely a mount that would work for this to get it into the stud.
that isn't a very large TV. I don't think it would've ripped out on its own. it probably would need a little help, and very well could've been an accident.
Yeah I'm thinking it was pulled out & maybe the daughter bumped into it and was too afraid to say. But if it was installed properly (which is probably why that big red warning says that) then it wouldn't have fallen.
Drywall won't hold a TV. You have to screw it into the beam. All walls have support beams otherwise you couldn't hang the drywall. If there is no beam in the exact spot you can place one between the joists. This guy's a hack.
Cheque post dated , work sb posted 😂
The weight being mounted may be within specs of the mounts but the drywall has a weight limit. The weakest link is the max amount that you can mount. If they werent able to use the stud, why not use a bracket and then install the tv.
Just bc the defendant does good work and says he’s done 3000 of these installations, it doesn’t mean one can fail, and he’s delusional to think the plaintiff ripped his TV off the wall!
I have mounted a lot of tv's. NEVER with just toggles! I'm thinking the directions weren't followed. You must get at least 1 or 2 screws into studs.
Tony Danza, is that you? 😂
I believe he ruined his own TV. Not only did he try to get out paying but he also thought they'd have to replace a 5 year old TV with a new one.
Why even hire someone if you don't have the money to pay them?? That's so weird to me (almost as weird as thinking that drywall alone can hold such a heavy item)
Insane! Who would mount a TV on drywall alone!!
Once I saw the mount I knew the defendant messed up. That specific mount has to go in a stud. The bolts are north south😅
Is nobody going to mention that the plaintiff is a sleaze ball?! Why would he mount two 5 yr old TVs for $1000 with no money under a whole song and dance to pay. He ripped it out it’s obvious because he wanted a payday for new TVs… that last TV had a screw btw. funny how the TVs that fell were the cheap ones… he sabotaged the job to make him pay for new ones. I feel bad for that business they thought they
Company logo prominently displayed on the Defendant's side....
The mounting anchors appear sturdy enough, but that does not help with sheet rock / dry walls that are not supposed to be heavy load bearing that you can push thru easily with a small hammer.
People have punched through drywall with their bare hands. A TV pulling the opposite direction would eventually tear away, I would think.
Im a handyman in Arizona and i hung multiple tvs with toggle bolts on drywall. We never had a problem no ones tv ever fell off the wall.
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Toggle anchors are meant specifically to be installed into straight drywall (no stud, or the toggle wouldn't be necessary). If there's a stud/blocking, you'd simply mount right into it with a screw. The problem here is that was probably 1/2" drywall, not 3/4" AND the drywall was not glued and screwed. If it was glued, you'd see the glue on the 2x4 right behind the hole. That hole was right over a stud. I understand they couldn't mount into the stud because the receptacle right there would've been in the way for the TV mount, but the integrity of 3/4" drywall within 3" of a stud, if glued, should've held up. I can see why the defendant has installed many TVs with toggle anchors and not had this issue. That was cheap board that someone slapped on with no glue.
Services rendered, services tendered. Funds clearing in your bank account is not the contractor's issue. He knew he gave the check from the wrong account to delay until funds get into his account.
If the customer doesn't let you mount it, where the studs are, you need to walk away.
Doug Ford’s long lost cousin?
All of our TV's are mounted in studs. We found out the hard way. Drywall isn't strong enough.
When you use toggle bolts in drywall you should not put them all so close together because that creates a pulling pressure on that part of the drywall which weakens the drywall. Four drywall bolts that size that close together create a problem in that one spot.
Never seen those toggles come with a tv mount. I have mounted many and none have ever come off. His bs about that stud made me laugh. It was centered on that stud, could have went right into it.
The installer should have attached a 3/4” thick board across the wall from stud to stud over the drywall and then mount the TV to the 3/4” wood plate.
You won’t see the wood plate mounted on the wall behind the TV
Dude showed up with a whole crew to defend the loss of a single television
you do a job and the money should be available right then!
It’s cray that people pay to get a tv mounted bc NOW we all do that ourselves
It maybe ugly if seen but it would be hiding behind the TV. Add a 2x4 between the 2 studs horizontally and it will be secure to the studs and you won't have to rely on the drywall
"He has a tv that worked" but it only stopped playing sound from the fall and thats it? I think he did have money issues so pulled it off to get his money back so he could he free mounting for the other ones AND tried to get a new tv for the one that just stopped working and is trying to pin it on the defendant
That installer cannot justify it falling off wall. He didn’t know how to put it up.
yea ok, sure
Post dating a check is illegal, but done, or was. I don't know anyone who uses a checkbook anymore. You don't hang a TV on just sheetrock...ever!
It's not illegal to post date a check.
I work with checks at my job and when people post date them, I send them back. I do not want to assume responsibility for holding someone's post dated check. The defendant should not have accepted that check.
Isn’t that outlet supposed to go behind the TV? We have those in our house and they’re so you can mount the TV and not see the cords.
The toggles Dis hold. It's the drywall that didn't
Great point...
Plaintiff lost credibility with having to be chanced for payment and all the sudden the TV falls off the wall.
Both sides at fault, the installer did a poorly set up, the customer with a bad check.
The location of the anchors were too close to just be mounted to drywall alone. Totally understand why the tv fell from the wall.
The anchors can hold a lot of weight, but the drywall can't. I would never anchor a tv to drywall. All my tv's are anchored to a stud. If there isn't a stud where you want to put it, move it over a couple inches.
I absolutely believe he would have pulled them off the wall. Then had his daughter lie for him. He paid a little over $1000 to install 5 TVs. Yet, after all the "bad stuff" that happened. He got almost ALL of his money back. So umm yes I absolutely believe he was crazy enough to do it.
He probably had a family member put up new drywall, so it didn't cost him much there either.
If the defendant ripped the tv off the wall then how did he get into the house where people are living? If the space where the tv mount was installed is narrow then maybe it got bumped. It is extremely unlikely that the drywall around all the toggle bolts was "soft" and could not support the tv. The customer is claiming that all the toggle bolts got tipped out - almost impossible.
It is possible but unlikely the defendant ripped the tv off the wall. I have used those kinds of anchors and they definitely can hold a lot of weight. From the pictures you can see that not one anchor had come lose. Each anchor had a big piece of drywall attached to it. Hence somebody ripped it off the wall. But who?
Having been a contractor it is extremely upsetting to have to wait for a small amount of money. But people do play games like not having the money to pay you on the day you finish. Then they make you wait a little longer until they can put money into the account. Then they realize they gave you a check based on the wrong account. These are telltale signs that the customer is jerking you around for a few dollars. Maybe the customer is trying to avoid paying you. I know this from experience. I hate having to chase customers for money and likewise so do my contractor friends.
My drywall contractor friend was owed thousands for having drywalled a basement. The contractor is a real professional. His work is perfect - every time. The customer tried to not pay him. But the contractor told him that unless he gives him a certified check he is going back inside the house and rip all the drywall off. The customer threatened the contractor claiming he had been part of the IRA. Well my contractor friend said that he had survived the Croatian Serbian war and had seen more dead bodies than there are bricks on the wall.
Finally the customer realized the contractor really meant to harm him and so went and got the check certified. I found out about this sometime later because the contractor and I became really good friends when we met on a job. By that time the customer had ripped me off for about $3000 and another company for $6000. Legally we could not sue or do anythng because the ocmpany had gone bankrupt and also we could not put a lien on the property.
That is what it takes sometimes to get paid by a customer. The customer will just jerk you around forever. The customer here is certainly jerking the contractor around. It is likely that the contractor ripped the tv off the wall but the customer can not prove it.
Luckily there is anot a lot of money involved but there sure is a lot of frustration caused by the customer.
he brought the entire county with him
The hole is right over the stud! So why did he say there were not studs to use? If the defendant is such an expert he should have told the plaintiff it wouldn't be advisable to use anchors and not do the job. Defendant cheaped out on the guy.
The defendant keeps talking about how strong the toggle bolts are as if that matters one bit.
Why wouldn’t you drill directly into the wood studs?!?! He didn’t have to use the toggle bolt!!! The tv arm is meant to extend and will be heavier the further it extends out.
That’s a fairly light tv and mount There’s no way that tv just fell down on its own. Someone put some serious weight on it. The toggles didn’t pull through an entire chunk ripped off the wall. That’s pretty hard to do. With that said the installer may have learned a lesson for the future.
Half-inch sheetrock will NOT support the weight of a big screen TV. Should have mounted the bracket on the stud. Your mistake, pay up.
Unless it was a motorized tv mount. Control it with a remote.
He should sue the contractor for using cheep drywall. It takes a lot to punch a hole in drywall. For a chunk that big to come out is fishy
Never ever mount a TV to the wall without wood being behind it. If you don't have would take a 2 * 4 or 2 by 6:00 to the outside of the drywall into the two studs that are 16 inches on Center
Exactly. Was glad the judge said something idk why litigants think its a good idea to stand their making ugly faces and movements.
Those work it depends how big the TV is of course but 1/2 in sheetrock no way 5/8 you might have a chance and the way those are all together like that that's why it fell if they were corners you have a better chance
I’m no expert but I’m pretty sure the mount has to be screwed into the studs not drywall.
Buddy a crook … he broke and wanted his money back 🤡
Big fear of mine. I use tv stand esp if one rents (I don’t but I still use a stand)
No need to fear; screw each side of the TV into a solid piece of wood and it's so strong a 300 pound guy could grab onto the TV mount and do pullups. Won't budge one bit!
I don't trust the plaintiff. He gave them the bad check on purchase to postpone payment. You check thoroughly when writing a big check for your protection, he knew what he was doing. I worked at a construction company and have seen it all. Yes construction people cut corners all the time, but customers try to shaft workers too. It was my first real job after college. I was so disillusioned. I tried so hard to block my company people from cheating customers. I had to quit after 3 years bc I could not do what they asked.
That's the reason the rest of the world use bricks, cement and mortar to build houses... Then stuff wont fall off the wall like that!