454cid FROM A 351 WINDSOR=598HP & 573FT/LBS ON PUMP GAS!
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- BUILT PRIMARILY FOR TORQUE USE ON A HEAVY OFF-ROAD RACING TEAM CHASE TRUCK! A QUICK LOOK INTO THE INTERNALS AND THE BUILD PLUS POSTING THE DYNO SHEETS!
IF THE CAM DURATION @ .050 IS INCREASED AT LEAST 8-10 DEGREES THIS WOULD EASILY MAKE 640+ AND IF LIFT WAS INCREASED FROM THE SMALLISH .600 TO AT LEAST .640 THEN IT CAN GET CLOSE TO THE HIGH 6 HUNDREDS AND THAT WILL BE AN AWESOME STREET ENGINE.
OBTW, I MISTAKENLY REFERRED TO MIKE CONSOLO @ QMP AS MARK BECAUSE AT THE TIME i WAS DOING THIS I WAS IN CONTACT WITH A MARK FROM AUSTRALIA AND GOT ME ALL SCREWED UP AND IT WAS 3:30AM IN USA TIME.
Obtw, I get numerous requests for technical advice and if interested, tex me @ 626 203 2712. Half hour to 1 hour+ rates are available. Most calls go over as posted and it is ok. US Pacific time zone.
Another awesome video with the sharing of a lifetime of knowledge! This is so unselfish and shows what kind of great person Ben is! Ben is a scientist!
Thanks sir!
Love your videos Ford power forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them bow ties
Awesome video
I built the first 427W kit that coast high performance sold back around 1996, It used the 340 Mopar rod and I ran into the exact problem you illustrated about the conventional rod shoulder’s interfering with the cam lobes. I had to carefully grind down the head of the bolts and also I ran a smaller base circle cam. This was before aftermarket rods were affordable available so I did what I could
It has a very deeply ported Trick flow 170 opened up to close to 190 cc and it increased the flow through the mid lifts about 15% and the flow matches the later 11R heads. It has a very mild Comp hydraulic flat tappet with 232/237 @.050 and very deep ported Victor Junior manifold. It’s in a Cobra replica that only weighs 2400 pounds and it has the proper big block FE powerband as owners of real 427 cobras have told me, so I’m very happy with it
I am very impressed with your TH-cam site and listen intently to your advice!
Thanks for the kind words and your experience taught you a lot which many today do not have to encounter being the rods are great for strokers and no need for small base circle cams with the Fords. I was there when Chris Huff started Probe and CHP. In fact he called me for pizza @ Shakeys years ago and told me of his plans to open a Ford based piston & stroker company. In fact his financier then for his upstart company was with my mentor who gave him a great lift financially that made it all possible and the rest is history! Somehow he got burnt up with all this and is doing something else now...
Ben thank you for your unbelievable amount of knowledge you truly are a true professional thanks for all the information you have shared with us all 0:12 God bless
Luvin it Ben.....Ford enthusiast since...........Forever.....Your putting all the pieces together......Carry on!
Thanks Sun!
Wow. Lots of work to get a powerful engine.
Thank you so much for sharing this information.
Always learning from these videos.
You are great Ben.
I will be posting a build to get close to a 1000hp if I get around on the heavy rods/pistons and crank! That is the only issue that is giving me nightmares. I need a light rotating mass to make it possible and easier to achieve.
Love your videos. Thanks for sharing your hard earned knowledge. O ly complaint I have is I have to pay attention unlike alot of utube. Again thanks
Thanks for sharing, don't think I will every use all of your insights but sure do like hearing about them. The oil pump is pure gold! Keep them coming. Suggest future video to cover road race type of mods.
I haven't built a motor since my Boss 302 back in 1981, but this video was Awesome, really enjoyed it!
Very few left running around... Awesome engine for sure.
Always enjoy watching your videos
Thanks!
We enjoy your time,thank you so much,from north texas
Thanks for watching!
Hey Ben you coming to extreme raceway 3-17,would like to meet you,weather could be bad,any bad weather plans
@@kennykirby3598 Yes sir and we are leaving this coming Wednesday so that we will be there by Thursday night test and tune. Will see you then and will talk bud!
...thank you again for speading your awesome knowledge of these noisy air pumps 😀
Frank, that is a very good description a noisy air pump! lol
I will remember that!
Your amazing.....
Thanks Jesus.
im going to guess you might know david vizard i learn more from you two in 30 minutes cant thank you enough for your efforts
I met him years ago and we have mutual friends in racing.
This is awesome 😊
Nice, Ben us guys in Australia want to hear what you know about the 351 cleveland, Its our altime favourite engine here. Thanks mate. Mad Mick.
You will like my upcoming videos on the Clevelands and should be coming soon. Just waiting on a plated 4V head to come back so I can video it.
Thank you for another great video Mr Alameda
Another great one Ben. Enjoy your weekend buddy.
Thx Ben
Your welcome sir.
I don't know how much cleveland experience you have, more than me I'll bet. I'm in Australia, Cleveland's were big here. Would love to see something.
I will post a Cleveland block with Yates heads and to me that is the perfect combination of displacement and rpm potential! It is very responsive and you will see it on the video.
Another great video Ben thank you greatly
Thanks you sir and hope all the info I post helps people like you!
Great content , I would like to know how much of an overbore that You could recommend for an SVO 351R block that was cast in 1995 & never been built still in it's original crate. Any information will be greatfully appreciated ! Thank You for any information. 🇺🇸🇵🇷🦊👍
Ferdinand, have it sonic checked because during those years we had SVO blocks with bad core shift on the bores and some we basically threw away! Sonic check all of them.
Another very informative video, Ben. Thank you.
Thank you Ben for your experience and wealth of knowledge. All ready done a couple of ya tips especially with drilling exhaust. I don't have a v8 I'm love me ford inline 6 cylinder 243 ci 4 litre.i just listen and try to incorporate into 6 as I live in Australia. There all same principle all 5 cylces or 7.if go off hale ramming effect, blowdown.again thankyou.peace
Wayne, like anything I run try to get as high a compression your fuel will tolerate and you will be happy with the power!
Great video Ben!
Thanks for supporting my channel!
Your videos are always great to watch, thank you for sharing. The bore spacing is 4.38 on a 351W, so theoretically, would it be possible for someone like Dart to offer a 9.5 deck SBF block with even larger bores,(currently 4.125 I think?) without compromising head gasket seal? What would be the absolute largest bore possible that they could get away with, do you think?
I went as far as 4.190 and still sealed good and have seen others go a little bit more and said no sweat! Only for all out racing I would do these.
@@benalamedaracing2765 That sounds fun! 4.19x4.17 - 460 inch small block.(rolls off the tongue better than 454)
Hey Ben great build and videos. What if a 408 c.i. small block chevy 4.030" bore with 4" crank in stock 350 block, ported iron eagle OR shp 200cc heads, 282 Hydraulic Roller cam on 106 LSA, 10.3:1 static compression, 800cfm edelbrock or smaller double pumper carburetor for proper fueL enrichment? going in a daily driver 2nd gen camaro 3500 lbs. target weight, with a TH350 or may find a th400 or 4 speed. Unknown gearing. the engine and transmission are going to be GM corporate 'sick' smog blue with '305' c.i. valve covers. Car is monochromatic silver sparkle grey flake with silver sparkle grey flake painted slot mag wheels and car trim. No interior as of yet- unknown color to do, maybe yellow and grey flake accent or other hot sports color. Disc brakes are manual and manual steering. Well, was thinking of upping the compression to 10.5:1 or 10.8:1 or even 11:1 with a 288 or 294 duration cam. Flat top pistons 6" scat pro stock rods, 1" mahle piston. Also thought of the same build in 355 c.i.
Seems like it should work specially if you widened the LC to a 112 instead of a 106. HIgher compression with the 288/294 seems like a good move.
Hello I just subscribed to your channel.
I really like your build.
Take care, Ed.
Ben eres el mejor...👍
Hey Ben love the Ford vids,i know you built the motor for torque,but on street/strip deal,would you use the 6.250 inch rod and with bigger solid roller say around 260-262 with around .650 lift,what would max rpm
Aussie, yup if it has street compression 260-265 would be awesome! Longest rod possible even perhaps run a single ring with a vacuum pump. What is your actual compression ratio you are looking at to use?
I appreciate your videos. I like to learn from them . I was wondering how you kept the engine together with all of the movement especially when you sling the engine around and air up the oil . Those engines get a real testing with a loads that they see.
I will expand on these engine from an oiling standpoint! The 8.2 based build which made similar power actually had issues on the turns @ Willow Springs. Wherein the windage tray actually held up the oil from the pick up and starve the bearings and pistons on the hard turns! It would have not done it otherwise but this was a very impressive suspension and demanded basically a dry sump to keep the engine alive! Thanks for supporting my channel.
Does stroke rod ratio concern you. A 4.250 stroke and 6" rod only gives you 1.41 - 1 ratio. the sweat spot is 1.6 to 1.8
I guess it doesn't.
What kind of vehicle was this engine in?? You said a 6000lb Chase truck?
Yes and the truck is now owned by a famous manufacturer who uses it as a chase truck from what I hear.
Hello Ben. Another informative video. What would you consider a large stroke, when you have to use caution for high rpms, 4.100 or greater? Thank You
It is wise on a competition engine on the less serious side to make sure the bore is bigger than the stroke so it is an under square engine format. Also depending on the deck height and the 9.5 Fords will allow a lot of stroke = displacement at the sacrifice of rpm potential! If you run a 3.75 stroke it will be good for rpms but the ideal rod weight is on the bad side. This is why I prefer a 9.2 with a big bore for ex. 4.175 with a stroke of 3.75 and you have decent displacement and lots of rpm capability!
Ben, you ever tried 4.165" bore to 3.875" stroke? 422 stroker. I know the old old Dart race blocks you can go safely out to 4.185" bore and that's a 426 with a 3.875" stroke. I know in the SBC I made 748 HP and well over 600 ft pounds of Torque and that was with a wrong cam. Never went over 6200-6450 rpm. Definitely not pump gas though, 13.5:1 to 13.75:1 compression. On 250 shot of nitrous it made 943 HP and torque? Never mind, it was violent especially on the street. But we drove that every time we could besides Michigan winter's 😥
I have run those combinations and really prefer the 3.75 for Ford or Chevy! Might also have rod to cam issues with a big stroker necessitating a move to a small diameter camshaft but I get really concerned when I look at those cam cores with lots of lift and high rpms!
Do you ever run a gear drive on any of your motors that you build. Is there a loss of hp
I do not recommend them because they transfer a lot of harmonics from the crank power pulses to the valvetrain in high rpm engines. Belt is the best!
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With pushing the longer rod idea won't you throw the rod to stroke ratio off ? Or is the 1.7 - 1 number you use to determine maximum arm length ?
The great Smokey Yunick and others will always tell builders to keep putting the longest rod possible inside your engines and that is a good thing to do specially if high rpms is the goal. Indy engines as well as F-1 exhibit rod ratios way past 2.1-1 or beyond and there is an absolute advantage. However, short rods also has an advantage like in short track oval racing. They tend to accelerate quicker than a long rod combination and it does not show at the dyno but damn well works very well on an oval short track!
Hello. When talking about shorter rod, I understand the effect of strong initial signal at the beginning of the intake stroke. And better low to mid torque...but why that don't see in the dyno? We have inertia- and steady state dynos, can't we really see the change any of those?
What aftermarket block deck height do you prefer 9.2 or 9.5
I will do a video of both configurations and their advantages and lack thereof.
In this engine’s rpm range would a tighter LSA add more low end torque without sacrificing top end power? Also, do you run 3/8” or 1/2” inch pushrods? I’ve seen videos where a 5/16” pushrod will deflect and lose .030 thou. of lift.
Having a tight LSA would want to detonate this configuration because of too much VE at lower to mid rpms. This engines I went for 112 just to lower the cranking pressures as well helping me to run pump gas fuel.
Is a 408 out of a safe zone. Also what is the most RPM you recommend for any Windsor block 400ci or bigger on the street.
You can make them live specially with the big 3.00 mains. Open up and make sure you have .0028-.003 clearance on the mains and you can rev it easily to close to 8K with no problem.
Did that many many times specially even with thin oils as long as you have the main opened up it will be good. The rods can be at .0025 small chevy size.
Thanks for video! What do you think about rings without gap?
Gapless rings on top is good but never on the second ring because it traps the blowby gases that passed by the top rings! Here ring flutter will occur and your dry sump or pan evacuation will not work correctly when you have a gapless second ring!
@@benalamedaracing2765 thanks!
Do you want to see how we made gapless rings?
Do they make vacuum secondary 850 cfm Holleys?
Non that I am aware of.
Im thinking to build turbo engine with 3850 stroke and 4.125 bore like 418 big bore also i have 418 small bore 4100 stroke 4030 bore sportsman block (dart on the big bore) what do you think im looking for 1300 rwhp drag only fox body
You should be able to get to your goals without much problems! I just prefer a medium stroke better than anything bigger than 4.00 stroke.
What was the static compression on this combination?
It sits slightly under 11:5 and I could have gotten a little more power with compression if I had a lighter car instead of a 7000# off road F-150 with all the suspension and frame mods.
@@benalamedaracing2765 Thanks for the reply Ben. I'm doing a 461 Windsor now that's going in a 3300# street/strip car. It's a pump gas motor with 10.5 to 1 with TF 240 high ports. Looking for peak HP around 6300 and thinking a Hyd Roller with 243@50 and .650 lift should put me in the ballpark? I am loving your videos so keep up the great work!
That’s for the kind response Ben. I love the stroker windsors and your advice is spot-on and I really enjoy the way you explain things
Here’s my CHP 427 in the cobra ( you can probably hear the pete Jackson gear drive, I put it in for added insurance for the cam/340 rod clearance issues, lol)
th-cam.com/video/RQuCciwbbwI/w-d-xo.html
Thanks again I enjoy all of your videos!!
Looks like an awesome and good looking ride!
Do you recommend a 750 or 950 carburetor for a 408w
Depend on your compression ratio. Like it is here a 750 will work and if I had more compression an 850 would be no problem. Competition compression ratios will tolerate a 950 if it is a 454 Windsor easily!
Thank you, I have 10.5 compression, supervictor, 11r 205 heads, 600lift cam 239 249
What port size did you use on this motor 220 cc?
I opened up an AFR 220 and this one eventually made about 630 with the correct hedder size because the one we used on the dyno was small @ 1 5/8.
@@benalamedaracing2765 thats amazing considering the big cubes!
What heads were used on this
I ended up with an AFR 220 set up for a heavy off road truck that weight 7k# all fueled up ready to run.
Thanks sir
How can i beef up a gm 3800 3.8 on pump gas? Thanks
A slight camshaft change and compression increase will definitely help.
Do you ever go to street race’s
Yes I am presently doing an engine for someone always on that program as a participant.
@@benalamedaracing2765 has to be chuck with death trap
@@hectormartinez129 Chuck uses SBC
So happy to see that when I threaded aluminium rod to put in the inside exhaust bolt holes on my heads to port it properly, I wasn't wrong.
9" deck block on the Chevy the Ford 351w has a 9.5 deck height!
Yes and my main problem with the SBC is the cam is close to the crankshaft and need a small base circle cam which is shaky enough when you have .800-.900 lift!
@benalamedaracing2765 the problem is they refused to raise the deck up a 1/2 inch! Then they could run longer connecting rods in these stroker motors they're costumes build!! The longest rod I've see is 6",and thst puts the wrist pin up in the ring land. The rod/stroke ratios are horrible! The things will haul ass, for a little while! Gonna get some hate mail over this!
Hey Ben don’t forget to call me. Thanks 🙏