It’s 2020 and we are still amazed bye the speed and the driving capabilities of these cars. I can’t imagine how people were seeing/understanding/feeling these cars in 1986...
I assure you that live the sound and speed were impressive, nothing to do with today's WRCs. In 1986 I was 13 years old but I remember very well the Rally di S. Remo
@@1973Hierro I experienced them twice at Väärinmaja (SS25 and SS42, www.rally-maps.com/1000-Lakes-Rally-1986/V%C3%A4%C3%A4rinmaja) in the 1986 1000 Lakes. The sound was deafening. The start was about 1,5km from our position and when the first car started, I thought that they were only one straight away. Good times.
These group b's were mad. Was lucky enough to have a couple of years with them Totally different in 87, rally cars changed big time but lancia still dominated with the hf4x4 then the grale for years to come. Really you have to see them in action to really appreciate the group b's
Some driver said, cant remember hes name but he said that once you got those b classes on speed, your head cant keep up. Tbh im not surprised about it since some of those cars had nearly double horspowers To their weight. To imagine driving a car that weight maby 700kg and has nearly 800hp on rear wheels.. Damm.
we shoot 3 hours. With a VHS-Camcorder. Found the original last month in a box. Make a copy on DVD - and then edit. it with magix easy. That was a amazing trip. thx for watching.
Coming back again after a year.. I must say the audio is exceptionally good, for such old footage. Really like the Alfa V6 singing. Glorious noise... Well done.. there was a few quite daring spots to be filming from eh?
Can we just take a minute to appreciate everyone who went out there and shot videos of the Group B era cars as they where racing competitively? It's amazing to watch them go around the stages, can't thank the people that recorded it enough.
Amazing to re-watch. Still love the S4 to this day and have soft spots for the 037 and R5, R11 turbos. R.I.P Henri and Sergio what a tragic end to such a superb driver and co-driver. This excellent footage means their memory will live on. Thanks for uploading.
🙏 Thank You So Much Daytona43 for this rare footage of the 1986 Tour de Corse Rally Special Stages ... May Henri Toivonen & Sergio Cresto be blessed to a Better World & Realm ... 🕯🌻🌿🌍💜🕊
Group B was the best they ever invented !! RIP for all the People that died do to no sufficient safety !! Best era ever !!! The speed, the sound and the dextérité of the pilote !! Woaw thank you for those amazing footage !!!
RIP henri tovinen and Sergio cresto gone but never forgotten my heart goes out to them and their families they will be sadly missed by millions of rally fans who are always being there to support
Audi had already withdrawn from GpB after the Portugal debacle... Ford had gone also, at the same event. GpB rallying was holding onto a lifeline, and Henri's accident broke that. These are the final moments of GpB.
After 33 year's, I look this film and my heart Don't beat more, like the first time. Thank you for all, great Angels. Henri, Sergio, but I Don't forget also Attilio ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Okay so I was born during Colin Mcrea heyday if I can remember Attilio dropped its sponsorship after group B was disbanded ( if I'm wrong, I'm worng) my question what was Attilio
@@mampe8898indeed,good point. Henri was always flat out so things can happen. Anyway Group B was best days of rallying even with these tragedies,so cool. And im from Finland.
I've got stack's of VHS cassettes 2-3 hrs full of group B footage (I was obsessed with it as a kid and recorded everything and anything as well as some Group A stuff I'll get them on a DVD one day - but computers are not my department I'm a old school hammer and nails guy and most of the footage and documentary's I've seen on TH-cam I've got them all. The most insane Group B car of them all was the Delta S4.
RIP Henri and Sergio. Even after 34 years, it still feels like a shocking waste of talent. I do appreciate the 'forgotten' cars that get a look in, here: Talbot Samba, Fiat Uno, Renault 11, Alfa GTVs and the rest.
A fantastic piece of film. Aside from the obvious tragedy of Toivonen and Cresto's fatal accident, it is still good to see these cars in full flight around the challenging Corsican stages. I was also pleased to see footage of some of the Group A entrants, particularly the awesome-sounding Alfa GTV6s of Loubet and Balas. Thank you for posting this!
limolee007 I've looked at the whole thing again and I can't see any repetition at all. I can see what you mean, but all the scenes actually show different cars (though obviously we see the same cars at different locations). To take your example at 1:04, the cars that pass are all differently numbered, even though the Lancia's of Toivonen (4) and Biasion (6) look identical apart from the numbers. One camera man standing at a corner is bound to produce very similar looking shots as the whole field of cars passes.
buffscrag71 Oh dear - they are different numbers on side of cars....I'm presently studying my arse and elbow and see the difference with help of a mirror! My apologies and comments removed.
Thank you for sharing with us that video, crazy races, crazy cars, crazy drivers but a sad and unfair ending, always in our hearts Henri and Sergio, and all those who have lost their lives for bring us the best sport ever.
Unsuryna Suymury only the audi was putting out that much and not very often, they would turn the boost down to make it more controllable. they would be set higher for events that had longer straights and higher speeds like the manx or even the thousand lakes as they were fast and flowing stages. corsican roads require controllability not brute force. as there are so many tight corners, and short straights with no run off at all
Hey, thanks for this. Still makes me sad... the best in the world paid for lack of regulations. No skid plate on all tarmac, driving over peoples feet and at times into them, body shells that would ignite with a cigarette... the best of times and the worst of times.
@@VonlineMollineaux They were constructed using a magnesium alloy I seem to remember, highly flammable which is why in the tragic accident when you see the footage of the aftermath of the crash all that's pulled up is the chassis.
Lancia was a steel tube chassis with a Kevlar composite body. Magnesium alloy was probably used used for the wheels and the transaxle shell, but it will not ignite unless it is powdered or exposed to very hot direct flame. Many race, rally and road cars have been fitted with magnesium alloy wheels without any incendiary issues, despite being exposed to very high temperatures generated by the brake discs.
Henry Toivonen era colui che riusciva a ottenere il meglio della Delta S4 anche quando le prove nei vari campionati di Rally erano sempre più insinuosi e difficili da interpretare, specie per le gruppo B che non potevano erogare i circa 400 Cv di cui disponevano. Sarà sempre nei nostri cuori il grande Toivonen per le performance che il mondo delle gruppo B ci ha dato le emozioni e l'adrenalina che ci da gusto a tutti gli appassionati come me del Motorsport " King Henry Toivonen "
I think Henri was quite sick during this event. May have contributed to the accident. These cars ran about 500bhp. Earlier generation rally cars escort, tr8, chevette, etc were all under 300hp. Safety was nonexistent in this era. The current series of rallye cars actually do better stage times than the Group B cars. Terrible accident
Was surprised to see a Renault 11 turbo it was the first car I remember as my mum had one without a turbo needless to say it was incredibly slow!! 🤣🤣 Great video!!
A wonderful time in Rally. Porsche 911, Alfa Gtv6, little FWD Fiats, the big (and small) AWD Group B monsters, a Manta 400 and a mad, missing-link R5 Turbo. Sadly, it was very, very dangerous. Looking back, it seems mad that it was ever permitted, but it was.
Thank you so much for filming and posting this, it's fascinating to see another aspect of what turned out to be such a tragic event. The ill-fated S4's look superb, as does Chatriot's 5 Turbo.
The cars may have been a bit too much.. best spectator value because of the skill needed.. exciting cars to drive, but could have been improved easily with better safety.. but the tests and routes back then, was the unsung hero. Flying through areas that would be considered torture for the community nowadays.. people would be storming the townhall and media to complain. Yes there were a farmer, every now and then, who would get their chicken coop destroyed or a wall knocked down.. but it was an amazing story for that family to hold. A Metro in the dining room..
Walter Röhrl said it. The Group B Cars was so fast that the Copilot struggeld to be fast enough reading and the drivers struggeled to think fast enough to drive the car to the limit. Thoose drivers where true Heros but the cars was to fast, the S1 E2 gone from 0 to 160km/h in 6 seconds on GRAVAL. A normal person would go k.o. by the G forces
@@robspleen6205 Never saw your comment until now... They drove just as fast cars the years before. Now the rally cars are almost just as fast, and even faster on some certain areas. But I will agree, that the limit between safe and unsafe was extremely thin back then.... The cars were tested thoroughly and there were shakedowns as today. To survey and make notes.. In case that codriver didn't hold up to it, that's where further development should be focused. On perfecting notes. And on a last note. Many many cars today accelerate faster than that. A Tesla is f.ex unbelievably fast.. no one knocked out from that
Considering the safety standards and road holding of the cars of the time objectively much lower than those of today, we must agree that those drivers were real extraterrestrials !
Nice video. Chris Bell your right should be kept in a vault.love the old r5 gordinis and the 205s and the old opel mantas as well. Them were the best days of rallying.
Thanks for posting this. I was 5 years old when it happened and I can remember watching it on the TV. I could name all the drivers at the time too! Kids eh?! R.I.P Henri and Sergio. Not forgotten.
In the 80's people watching the race were so stupid... one mistake and many were killed because they were where no one should have been... basic safety rules ignored !!!
@@RotrexfezST it was the days of the greatest days of rallying and yes the crowds did get close "so close I seen a lad about 18 - 20 yrs old in the RAC trying to touch a car as it past until a S4 came past doing 60 - 70,mph and one of the young lad's touched it then he was laughing and looking at his friends they to were also laughing and clapping until he looked at his hand and it was flopping around (broken) then as every spectator started laughing he started screaming like a baby as everyone else including his friends were pissing themselves laughing. The days of Group B was the days when the sport had virtually no restrictions and the world wasn't wrapped up in cotton wool although this had a part to play in the death's and demise of it.
@@RotrexfezST are that's wrong mate. Anyone with half a brain does not stand on a Forrest or road with cars hurtling down at well over a ton. Portuguese and Spanish were really bad for that back in the day. . Still are today with cycling. There enthusiastic but boy do they like to risk it. Can't blame the sport. You can't have Marshalls along the full route. People are responsible for there own safety at these events. Accidents will happen. It's a dangerous sport and you need to be safe as a spectator or try and be as safe as you can be.
Tour de Corse 1986.. Corsica rally.. Α few days before the end of those extraordinary rally cars with the extreme horsepower that wasn't limited and the corsica without safety barriers at all.. You can say that both of those problems may caused the death of Henri Toivonen that crashed this day with his Delta s4 of 600hp in a tight corner and the most disappointing fact of all is that they found only the main chassis of the car after the explosion without of course the crew. From those day and after the coordinators of the rallys set the limits of the horsepower in the cars and made the whole sport safer. Why you believed that we havent seen these cars again in the rallys even in a historic rally? They are wild animals that only a few people could tame their wildness!
Toivonen .and Crespo . What can anyone say . Most talented out there at that time . Tragic final rally , which effected a lot of people to lose such respected team mates in this way . . . Group B . Overpowered light vehicles . This loss of two highly respect driver and navigator . Was the catalyst that brought the end of group B . . Rip Toivonen and Crespo . Two of the best rally partners the world ever seen . .
RIP Sergio Cresto a choosen one . On all mortal incidents there are always rumors about "something wrong with the car" but at the age and also on following yrs security and reliability standards were not comparable with those excellent we have since 2 decades. And still in 2023 drivers lose their lives at rally competitions :before this other cars had been involved in mortal incidents , that of FordRS200 in 1986 and the peak was in 1989 after the definit. ban of B group when 5 pilots died in first 3 rallies of championship. The Finns should better stop playing the role of irreprehensive professors and just worry about lacks in some incidents of Finland rally .
Shame they weren't good enough, i remember i guy pulling up next to me and my dad at RallyCross in one in about 1987 and we had a chat about it. The only original part from a metro was the mg badge, he also said they were desperate to shift them and if you had 40k they'd deliver it. Next season they were all over RallyCross
This video is not about comparisons - it's a tribute the fastest rally driver of his day. Please let him rest in peace. Leave your asides for another page. Many thanks.
I wouldn't call it 'bravery'. After the debacle in Portugal, it was plain stupidity. I mean, just look at the brainless idiots stood in deaths way, in particular at 5:01. You've got to have a screw loose
que de tres beaux reve qui remonte a la surface mille mercie a tout les pilotes des années 1986 et bien d autre je pence pour moi que c est les plus beau rallye de n autre temps
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It’s 2020 and we are still amazed bye the speed and the driving capabilities of these cars.
I can’t imagine how people were seeing/understanding/feeling these cars in 1986...
The same as they would be now
I assure you that live the sound and speed were impressive, nothing to do with today's WRCs. In 1986 I was 13 years old but I remember very well the Rally di S. Remo
@@1973Hierro I experienced them twice at Väärinmaja (SS25 and SS42, www.rally-maps.com/1000-Lakes-Rally-1986/V%C3%A4%C3%A4rinmaja) in the 1986 1000 Lakes. The sound was deafening. The start was about 1,5km from our position and when the first car started, I thought that they were only one straight away. Good times.
These group b's were mad. Was lucky enough to have a couple of years with them Totally different in 87, rally cars changed big time but lancia still dominated with the hf4x4 then the grale for years to come. Really you have to see them in action to really appreciate the group b's
Some driver said, cant remember hes name but he said that once you got those b classes on speed, your head cant keep up. Tbh im not surprised about it since some of those cars had nearly double horspowers To their weight. To imagine driving a car that weight maby 700kg and has nearly 800hp on rear wheels.. Damm.
RIP Henri and Sergio gone but never will be forgotten.
Yes, never... ❤️
Group.B in our heart
RIP men
The camera work is better than most high quality cameraphone folks attempts today, thank you.
we shoot 3 hours. With a VHS-Camcorder. Found the original last month
in a box.
Make a copy on DVD - and then edit. it with magix easy.
That was a amazing trip. thx for watching.
Thank you.
Wow, amazing footage, thank you for the upload, beautifully done. Such a tragic loss of Henry and Sergio but this is nice tribute to them!
thanks so much..I was a spectator at this very rally in 1986.What a dark day.RIP.
Coming back again after a year.. I must say the audio is exceptionally good, for such old footage. Really like the Alfa V6 singing. Glorious noise...
Well done.. there was a few quite daring spots to be filming from eh?
You're now 8 years older, thanks for upload!
Can we just take a minute to appreciate everyone who went out there and shot videos of the Group B era cars as they where racing competitively?
It's amazing to watch them go around the stages, can't thank the people that recorded it enough.
The darkest day of Rallye...today it's May 2...30 years ago, the incomprehesible happened - RIP Henri & Sergio, you'll remain unforgotten !
Rest in peace Henri and Sergio!
Sergio is the most successful American rally driver/co driver we have ever produced in 🇺🇸🏁 GODSPEED
@Legio XXI Rapax Died American 🇺🇸 So American in my book
This footage needs to at least be in the French National archive…simply amazing.
Amazing to re-watch. Still love the S4 to this day and have soft spots for the 037 and R5, R11 turbos. R.I.P Henri and Sergio what a tragic end to such a superb driver and co-driver. This excellent footage means their memory will live on. Thanks for uploading.
My first time watching, I will remember.
Amazing car but only its mother could love it for its looks. Such a shame group B stopped before the RS200 had chance to really shine.
🙏 Thank You So Much Daytona43 for this rare footage of the 1986 Tour de Corse Rally Special Stages ... May Henri Toivonen & Sergio Cresto be blessed to a Better World & Realm ... 🕯🌻🌿🌍💜🕊
Wow. Blown away by this footage. The original should be kept in a vault somewhere!
@phxxr650r sorry, I meant original footage!
Its on youtube. Thats good enough
What goes on the internet stays on the internet
Group B was the best they ever invented !! RIP for all the People that died do to no sufficient safety !! Best era ever !!! The speed, the sound and the dextérité of the pilote !! Woaw thank you for those amazing footage !!!
This is the first vid of the Henri crash I've seen where someone acknowledges the co-driver. Thumbs up.
I was 18 at that time, loving rallies and following Lancia ... A day cannot be forgotten. RIP Henry&Sergio, farewell to Group B cars ...
RIP henri tovinen and Sergio cresto gone but never forgotten my heart goes out to them and their families they will be sadly missed by millions of rally fans who are always being there to support
Audi had already withdrawn from GpB after the Portugal debacle... Ford had gone also, at the same event. GpB rallying was holding onto a lifeline, and Henri's accident broke that. These are the final moments of GpB.
After 33 year's, I look this film and my heart Don't beat more, like the first time. Thank you for all, great Angels. Henri, Sergio, but I Don't forget also Attilio ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
So how you still alive v:
Okay so I was born during Colin Mcrea heyday if I can remember Attilio dropped its sponsorship after group B was disbanded ( if I'm wrong, I'm worng) my question what was Attilio
@@sephuris5555 Attilio was Attilio Bettega. Killed in the same Rally exactly 1 year before Henri & Sergio.
@@scouter-xn6zi so it was a personal sponsorship?
@@sephuris5555 Not sure I understand what you mean. Sorry if I'm getting something wrong ; Attilio Bettega was a driver ...
I’d forgotten what a beautiful car the Alfa GTV was, stunning, Great footage.
RIP Henri and Sergio. A tragedy that so easily could've been avoided.
How?
@@mampe8898 Lancia could mount cover of fuel tank
@@Tostereueso true………..
🙏🙏🇫🇮🇮🇹
@@mampe8898indeed,good point. Henri was always flat out so things can happen. Anyway Group B was best days of rallying even with these tragedies,so cool. And im from Finland.
I've got stack's of VHS cassettes 2-3 hrs full of group B footage (I was obsessed with it as a kid and recorded everything and anything as well as some Group A stuff I'll get them on a DVD one day - but computers are not my department I'm a old school hammer and nails guy and most of the footage and documentary's I've seen on TH-cam I've got them all.
The most insane Group B car of them all was the Delta S4.
THANK YOU the true G.O.A.T. (GREATEST OF ALL TIME ) THANK YOU FOR THE MEMORIES R.I.P. HENRI
Deborah Bell yes Henri was a true great a super rally driver taken far too young well said Deborah.. R.I.P. Henri
Aways thought timo salonen was better
@@luizalves76
he was driving the queen of the rally ...
Henry e Sergio, siete stati grandi, il destino vi ha resi immortali
Amazing footage, well done capturing the speed and sound of these monsters of Rallysport.
RIP Henri and Sergio. Even after 34 years, it still feels like a shocking waste of talent.
I do appreciate the 'forgotten' cars that get a look in, here: Talbot Samba, Fiat Uno, Renault 11, Alfa GTVs and the rest.
A fantastic piece of film. Aside from the obvious tragedy of Toivonen and Cresto's fatal accident, it is still good to see these cars in full flight around the challenging Corsican stages. I was also pleased to see footage of some of the Group A entrants, particularly the awesome-sounding Alfa GTV6s of Loubet and Balas. Thank you for posting this!
limolee007 Fair enough mate, you've restored my faith in human nature :)
limolee007 I've looked at the whole thing again and I can't see any repetition at all. I can see what you mean, but all the scenes actually show different cars (though obviously we see the same cars at different locations). To take your example at 1:04, the cars that pass are all differently numbered, even though the Lancia's of Toivonen (4) and Biasion (6) look identical apart from the numbers. One camera man standing at a corner is bound to produce very similar looking shots as the whole field of cars passes.
buffscrag71 Oh dear - they are different numbers on side of cars....I'm presently studying my arse and elbow and see the difference with help of a mirror! My apologies and comments removed.
limolee007 Lol! No worries, good man ;)
Huge huge balls these guys had...driving these beasts on some sketchy roads
Fantastic footage,, and a great reminder of this fantastic but equally dangerous era of rallying,,, and sadly the end of that era,,,!
Thank you for sharing with us that video, crazy races, crazy cars, crazy drivers but a sad and unfair ending, always in our hearts Henri and Sergio, and all those who have lost their lives for bring us the best sport ever.
Wow the spectators take their life in their hands, totally trusting the pinpoint accuracy of the drivers!
Henri Toivonen e Sergio Cresto per sempre nei nostri cuori.
If only more than 1 thumbs up was permitted - remarkable historic record
Back in that day, these things were the fastest accelerating cars, especially the Peugeot, Lancia and Audi
Group B was a widows farm! Cannot believe that a 600 hp car can race on the narrow mountain roads or on ici surfaces!
Unsuryna Suymury only the audi was putting out that much and not very often, they would turn the boost down to make it more controllable.
they would be set higher for events that had longer straights and higher speeds like the manx or even the thousand lakes as they were fast and flowing stages. corsican roads require controllability not brute force. as there are so many tight corners, and short straights with no run off at all
@@theant9821 S4 was @ 500 cv at 1.9 boost at 1986 TdC
@@toivonencresto S4 had a dial in the cabin to push the boost to 2.4 pushing up to 530 ponies 🧐
600 never reached in an event, Audi, however admitted to 550 for the 86 Monte, the most powerful rally car ever entered
Very good!!! R.I.P. Henri Toivonen...
Great footage of the golden age of rallying at its zenith and decline. RIP Henri and Sergio
Hey, thanks for this. Still makes me sad... the best in the world paid for lack of regulations. No skid plate on all tarmac, driving over peoples feet and at times into them, body shells that would ignite with a cigarette... the best of times and the worst of times.
Notorious V.I.C. What you mean body shells that would ignite with a cigarette?
@@VonlineMollineaux They were constructed using a magnesium alloy I seem to remember, highly flammable which is why in the tragic accident when you see the footage of the aftermath of the crash all that's pulled up is the chassis.
slacko 1971 plus the aluminium fuel tank under the drivers’ seat... 💥
Lancia was a steel tube chassis with a Kevlar composite body. Magnesium alloy was probably used used for the wheels and the transaxle shell, but it will not ignite unless it is powdered or exposed to very hot direct flame. Many race, rally and road cars have been fitted with magnesium alloy wheels without any incendiary issues, despite being exposed to very high temperatures generated by the brake discs.
And The GTV6 was so cool!
But what a tragic ending. RIP Henri and Sergio
Visually, and aurally, nothing comes close and never will.
maybe group S, but it sadly never happend
Henry Toivonen era colui che riusciva a ottenere il meglio della Delta S4 anche quando le prove nei vari campionati di Rally erano sempre più insinuosi e difficili da interpretare, specie per le gruppo B che non potevano erogare i circa 400 Cv di cui disponevano. Sarà sempre nei nostri cuori il grande Toivonen per le performance che il mondo delle gruppo B ci ha dato le emozioni e l'adrenalina che ci da gusto a tutti gli appassionati come me del Motorsport " King Henry Toivonen "
Truly an era that we've never seen before and have not seen since
RIP Henri and Sergio. Enjoyed watching your career. Another legend gone to soon.
Sure you all know ..... but poor Toivonen was car 4. RIP.
My hearts go out to henri toivonen and Sergio crestos family and friends and they will never be forgotten
I think Henri was quite sick during this event. May have contributed to the accident. These cars ran about 500bhp. Earlier generation rally cars escort, tr8, chevette, etc were all under 300hp. Safety was nonexistent in this era. The current series of rallye cars actually do better stage times than the Group B cars. Terrible accident
Thanks. Great video. I hate the end but i can't hate that car. It's beauitful. Best cars of all time!!!!!!!
Rip legends. Unlimited power, manual gear, will never ever be seen
Amazing...still awsome!!2023
Was surprised to see a Renault 11 turbo it was the first car I remember as my mum had one without a turbo needless to say it was incredibly slow!! 🤣🤣
Great video!!
Amazing footage, on a very sad background, but the cars and the drivers are just next level ❤️❤️❤️
This is incredible footage! They were absolute rockets!!
I once loved watching Henri
Just imagine these cars on 2023 tyres.
Thanks for uploading. Love the sound of those 6R4's!
They sounded nice but weren't competitive, got to see them all for a few more years in rallycross before they got dehomologated
Yves Loubet in the GTV6 was crazy!
Absolutely delicious sound on that Alfa.
R.I.P.
HENRY AND SERGIO....
A wonderful time in Rally. Porsche 911, Alfa Gtv6, little FWD Fiats, the big (and small) AWD Group B monsters, a Manta 400 and a mad, missing-link R5 Turbo.
Sadly, it was very, very dangerous.
Looking back, it seems mad that it was ever permitted, but it was.
funny to read people who are pretending knowing something and not naming the Queen of the rally
205 T16
Thank you so much for filming and posting this, it's fascinating to see another aspect of what turned out to be such a tragic event. The ill-fated S4's look superb, as does Chatriot's 5 Turbo.
Sergio and Henri lives forever!
The cars may have been a bit too much.. best spectator value because of the skill needed.. exciting cars to drive, but could have been improved easily with better safety.. but the tests and routes back then, was the unsung hero. Flying through areas that would be considered torture for the community nowadays.. people would be storming the townhall and media to complain. Yes there were a farmer, every now and then, who would get their chicken coop destroyed or a wall knocked down.. but it was an amazing story for that family to hold. A Metro in the dining room..
Walter Röhrl said it. The Group B Cars was so fast that the Copilot struggeld to be fast enough reading and the drivers struggeled to think fast enough to drive the car to the limit. Thoose drivers where true Heros but the cars was to fast, the S1 E2 gone from 0 to 160km/h in 6 seconds on GRAVAL. A normal person would go k.o. by the G forces
@@robspleen6205
Never saw your comment until now...
They drove just as fast cars the years before. Now the rally cars are almost just as fast, and even faster on some certain areas.
But I will agree, that the limit between safe and unsafe was extremely thin back then....
The cars were tested thoroughly and there were shakedowns as today. To survey and make notes..
In case that codriver didn't hold up to it, that's where further development should be focused. On perfecting notes.
And on a last note. Many many cars today accelerate faster than that. A Tesla is f.ex unbelievably fast.. no one knocked out from that
I felt so blessed to experience that generation of cars in its hey day.
You can haha, I'm so fucking pissed that I'm born 14 years after
excellent !!! merci pour cette splendide vidéo !!! souvenir souvenir ...
Considering the safety standards and road holding of the cars of the time objectively much lower than those of today, we must agree that those drivers were real extraterrestrials !
I love this. Thank you for sharing!
From Manchester, UK
Great video. I like Forza Lancia on the road. Thx for sharing.
Nice video.
Chris Bell your right should be kept in a vault.love the old r5 gordinis and the 205s and the old opel mantas as well.
Them were the best days of rallying.
Thanks for posting this. I was 5 years old when it happened and I can remember watching it on the TV. I could name all the drivers at the time too! Kids eh?! R.I.P Henri and Sergio. Not forgotten.
Alfa playing trough gears ⚙ ⚙ ⚙ ⚙ ⚙ amazing sound 👏 😍 🙌 👌 😀
Great video with such a sad ending. I love the S4, but the 205t16 looks likes on steroids when you see Salonen catching Allen. Good video.
johnmcluskey yes , toivo was only driver WHO can push s4 to the max ! RIP
Alen's car had no boost on a few stages early in the rally.
People are crazy! Risking their lifes by standing next to the road. Amazing insanity of those mad people.
In the 80's people watching the race were so stupid... one mistake and many were killed because they were where no one should have been... basic safety rules ignored !!!
It’s not really the peoples fault,it’s the governing bodies to blame for not having better health and safety!
@@RotrexfezST it was the days of the greatest days of rallying and yes the crowds did get close "so close I seen a lad about 18 - 20 yrs old in the RAC trying to touch a car as it past until a S4 came past doing 60 - 70,mph and one of the young lad's touched it then he was laughing and looking at his friends they to were also laughing and clapping until he looked at his hand and it was flopping around (broken) then as every spectator started laughing he started screaming like a baby as everyone else including his friends were pissing themselves laughing.
The days of Group B was the days when the sport had virtually no restrictions and the world wasn't wrapped up in cotton wool although this had a part to play in the death's and demise of it.
The wall of people helped keep the cars on the road
@@RotrexfezST are that's wrong mate. Anyone with half a brain does not stand on a Forrest or road with cars hurtling down at well over a ton. Portuguese and Spanish were really bad for that back in the day. . Still are today with cycling. There enthusiastic but boy do they like to risk it. Can't blame the sport. You can't have Marshalls along the full route. People are responsible for there own safety at these events. Accidents will happen. It's a dangerous sport and you need to be safe as a spectator or try and be as safe as you can be.
Tour de Corse 1986.. Corsica rally.. Α few days before the end of those extraordinary rally cars with the extreme horsepower that wasn't limited and the corsica without safety barriers at all.. You can say that both of those problems may caused the death of Henri Toivonen that crashed this day with his Delta s4 of 600hp in a tight corner and the most disappointing fact of all is that they found only the main chassis of the car after the explosion without of course the crew. From those day and after the coordinators of the rallys set the limits of the horsepower in the cars and made the whole sport safer. Why you believed that we havent seen these cars again in the rallys even in a historic rally? They are wild animals that only a few people could tame their wildness!
Agree with you.
Having seen 10 of them go off the grid after they started turning up in rallycross a year or so later they were truly insane.
Rally drivers and navigators are the best , have my respect
Champions like gods, never die, they are always in our heard.
Sorry,, so butiful. Deep respect fore the crew. Rest in peace. 2022 and i am also stil amazed by the speed and the power of the cars.
Awesome film with some of the best cars ... just so sad the rally ended in the way it did....
Toivonen .and Crespo . What can anyone say . Most talented out there at that time . Tragic final rally , which effected a lot of people to lose such respected team mates in this way . . . Group B . Overpowered light vehicles . This loss of two highly respect driver and navigator . Was the catalyst that brought the end of group B . . Rip Toivonen and Crespo . Two of the best rally partners the world ever seen . .
Correct immediately that name.
Reading Crespo instead of Cresto make me bleeding my eyes.
RIP Sergio Cresto a choosen one . On all mortal incidents there are always rumors about "something wrong with the car" but at the age and also on following yrs security and reliability standards were not comparable with those excellent we have since 2 decades. And still in 2023 drivers lose their lives at rally competitions :before this other cars had been involved in mortal incidents , that of FordRS200 in 1986 and the peak was in 1989 after the definit. ban of B group when 5 pilots died in first 3 rallies of championship. The Finns should better stop playing the role of irreprehensive professors and just worry about lacks in some incidents of Finland rally .
Group b is still the pinnacle of racing. Imho. F1 is technical and memory driven.
Love all the privateers and their cars. Wonderful cars all round. Awe inspiring.
Brilliant footage ! Keep the edits coming ! Comfy place for spectators on left at 6:13! 😱
that sound 2:08 and fiat uno 2:18😍
Thani yoi for sharing this. Very traguc.
Loved seeing them alfa gtv's having a go..
Imagine this cars 40 years ago, very impressive
ITV did a series of fantastic coverage of the Group B period, works of art they were,can't find them anywhere.
The Metro sound so much like the McLaren F1 !
As sound Metro is the best
Shame they weren't good enough, i remember i guy pulling up next to me and my dad at RallyCross in one in about 1987 and we had a chat about it. The only original part from a metro was the mg badge, he also said they were desperate to shift them and if you had 40k they'd deliver it. Next season they were all over RallyCross
This video is not about comparisons - it's a tribute the fastest rally driver of his day. Please let him rest in peace. Leave your asides for another page. Many thanks.
Meravigliosamente ignorante il rombo di quell'Alfa sponsorizzata Rothmans. Pilota Andruet credo. Correggo, Loubet.
GTV...what a soundtrack
Damn, you have to admire the bravery...of those spectators!
I wouldn't call it 'bravery'. After the debacle in Portugal, it was plain stupidity.
I mean, just look at the brainless idiots stood in deaths way, in particular at 5:01. You've got to have a screw loose
que de tres beaux reve qui remonte a la surface mille mercie a tout les pilotes des années 1986 et bien d autre je pence pour moi que c est les plus beau rallye de n autre temps
Excelleng video. Superb editing and those cars.... and my favourite Renault 5..... hope one day....
outstanding cars, those alfa romeo are so easy to spot among others
Rip Attilio Bettega e Henry Toivonen 🥺 😢
Amazing good video quality. Good job!
We do our best with the old cam corder. Thx
@@Daytona43 I've seen many worse footages with camcorders. Much can be attributed to the operator, though...
Great quality for a camcorder! Thanks for the upload!
R.I.P Henri and Sergio..... 😥😥
Grazie per il bel video. Complimenti.
Amazing and good quality. Shows it has'nt been played much since 1986.