Henri was my Hero ever since I saw him win the RAC in 1980. I was 22 when this happened, and I can still remember the absolute devastation I felt when I saw the news. Everyone bangs on about Senna's death, but to me, this was by far the most tragic. RIP Henri.
@@postilaatikko7384 maybe but Rovanpera would probably shit his pants in Group B times without electronic assistance, 170 degree wheel, 2022 suspension and high downforce tested in proper wind tunnels with telemetry... with no mention that Toivonen was doing above 200km/h on gravel with people standing literally on track, thousands of people... The Group B drivers have no equal in modern era or future, sorry.
@@pauloruilopes5777 Claro que sim, talvez eu pudesse ter me expressado melhor, mas tb acho que percebeste o que eu queria dizer, que o Toivonen, nos rallies era o equivalente ao Senna na F1, o melhor, o mais talentoso e o mais poderoso piloto, talvez de todos os tempos. Não deixa de ser uma opinião subjectiva, mas em ambos os casos, longe de ser uma opinião rara, ou muito original, no caso do Senna, muito comum, até.
As a child I watched Henri on a couple of RAC rallies, he was my hero. This video was upsetting to watch but also a fitting tribute to two brilliant men. RIP Henri & Sergio
@@matt7232 eh i wouldnt say that, theres no traction control or ABS in today's WRC cars its really mostly differental settings on the fly from the driver's side with the steering wheel alongside torque settings where at the time prior to WRC era you have to settle that months before even testing
Henri Toivonen et Sergio Cresto resteront dans nos coeurs trente quatre ans après leur disparition tragique le 2/5/1986 en Corse. Henri Toivonen aurait pu devenir champion du monde des rallye en 1986 au volant de la Lancia Delta S4. Il avait un palmarès et un talent exceptionnel. Respect Mr Henri Toivonen et à son copilote Sergio Cresto. 🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘
Solo tu sai cosa è successo. Sei stato il più bravo di tutti. Eri l'unico che portavi al limite la S4. Avresti vinto a mano bassa il mondiale. Non avevi concorrenza. R. I. P. LEGGENDA DEL RALLY. NESSUNO PIÙ COME TE, HENRY TOIVONEN 😭✊
Thank you for this. I stopped watching Rally after Toivonen's death. He died on the day after my 11th birthday. I also stopped watching formula 1 when Senna died on my 19th birthday. Now I had to research a lot about them for a work I had to do. Although painful and making me still cry after all these years, this footage are actually helping me to cope with those traumas, maybe even take a look to what has been happening in Rally and Formula 1 all these years. I still have a Markku Alén autograph, he exchanged a few words with a 10-year-old kid, unfortunately I don't have Toivonen's
Purtroppo in quella tragedia perde la vita anche Sergio Cresto, il suo navigatore. Non capisco il perché non viene citato. Sembra quasi che non esista, oltretutto nei rally è importante il navigatore quanto il pilota e comunque anche Sergio Cresto è una persona deceduta nella disgrazia riportata in questo filmato ed è giusto ricordare anche lui. R.I.P
I Agree a pair of real legends , rip your comments in English for all us non-italians "Unfortunately, Sergio Cresto, his navigator, also died in that tragedy. I don't understand why it isn't mentioned. It almost seems that it does not exist, moreover in the rally the navigator is as important as the pilot and in any case also Sergio Cresto is a deceased person in the misfortune reported in this video and it is right to remember him too. R.I.P"
io avevo 17 anni ai tempi e cominciavo ad appassionarmi a questo mondo. qualche anno fa sono stato sul luogo in cui è avvenuta la tragedia e mi sono fermato a pensare. sono stato assalito da un sacco di emozioni che non so definire. quando ci penso mi accade ancora. ne sono avvenute di tragedie negli anni a venire e ogni volta è la stessa cosa a prescindere da chi sia a perdere la vita facendo motorsport. non so descrivere cosa ho dentro e so di essere banale e di non dire nulla con queste parole ma quando ci penso mi sento smarrito.
Thanks for the video from Italy. So many new frames, a little bit as rewind Henry and Sergio here. Legends never dies. Passion never die. Alwais with all us. Thanks again...
he was the rally... he was tha martini lancia rally racin team... he was... he was the biggest rally driver ever born... thank you Henri to visit us in this planet...
Joni-Pekka Vartiainen yes let us not forget Sergio they were a team after all, Henri was my favourite driver, I've found out today he was born the same year as myself they will never be forgotten RIP
I went to the scene of the accident in 2003. A poignant moment. Barely a day goes by that I don’t think about Henri and what happened on that day in 1986. Thank you for the beautiful tribute and view of the last hours of his life. It’s still shocking even now.
Walter Röhrl was faster than the cars, thats the reason why he is still living. Walter Röhrl also predicted the death of Toivonen. All finnish drivers drank too much alcohol, Röhrl never did.
@@barfuss2007 Röhrl was a super driver and a clever wise man as far as I can see in this footage.....that's why such statements sound untrustworthy to me. Is there any stuff available on the internet ?
@@@INDIGOBLUE555 I have seen it on TV. Röhrl is still a man who tells his opinion, he didnt cares about publicity or political correctness. And dont forget his statement was also a warning for these risky drivers.
@@barfuss2007 I greatly respect and admire W R. however his remarks about finnish "racing" drivers so often being on alcool effect definetly sounds a bit harsh,that's why I have been searching for it in the net,unsuccessfully though. I also have plain personal recollection of a creepy shoot featuring a great finnish driver at a check point in the 80es: he "surely" was on drugs (amphetamine or cocaine) and no wonder for that....long efforts under pressure on GroupB monsters easily took need for extra aids of some kind. Back to Group B cars outperforming the drivers' "mental" performance Röhrl himself admittedly agreed those cars were, at times, faster than human brain, telling it shortly. Let me highlight one objective point: let apart the Toivonen/Cresto tragedy I have no recollection of serious accidents during the GroupB monsters' season. Do you have some ?
@@@INDIGOBLUE555 in the interview with Röhrl a big accident in Portugal was namend but I dont know if it was the same year. Why dont you ask Röhrl himself? I think he will answer you correctly. The Group B cars were deninitly too dangerous both for the spectators and the drivers. Röhrl drove so fast because he predicted the reactions of the cars too... thats the reason he survived.
I have a T shirt with the S4 and Henry portrayed on it that I wear every time I go to the Gym. I've owned two Lotus Sunbeams and seen Henry rallying several times best probably him and Vatanen against each other on the IOM in Ascona 400s. Saw him win the RAC etc etc. and twice in the S4. Been to Corsica for the Tour De Corse Hystoriqe twice and visited the crash site to pay my tributes. Bit if a fan!!!!. He was feckin amazing as was the Lancia Delta S4. Both untouchable. Group B was amazing but took away a real star. Still quite happy these days to see #EE33 doing well in the Toyota. Will never forget them never ever. Thank you for a brilliant video thank you Finland and thank you Lancia.
After 33 year's, I look again this movie, and my heart beat very bad. What Is possible ???? Ciao great Hero's (Henry, Sergio, Attilio ❤️) Grazie d tutto ! Thanks for all ! Elba and Corsica Brother's forever.
Thank you Marv for a well put together tribute to a lost legend. Henri was taken from us way to soon along with his co driver. The S4 along with all its Group B rivals demand the highest levels of skills / Concentration to drive. Fatigue was a big issue back then with very long stages. A factor that fateful day I’m sure. R.I.P 🙏
It's so heartbraking to hear Henri talking about how physical exhaustion was taking over him. And to think he'd still be alive if Lancia team would've retired him for that rally, but I understand why they didn't, he wanted to continue, and he was winning stages, winning rallies back to back, he was pretty much the man to be champion that year... It still was so avoidable, it hurts, I can't describe it with words...
S'il n'avait pas connu cette tragédie en Corse , Henri Toivonen aurait pu devenir champion du monde des rallyes en 1986 tellement c'était un pilote exceptionnel , talentueux et hyper combattif . Il restera le Petit Prince des rallyes . 1986 aurait du être l'année de Lancia avec la Delta S4 et de Toivonen . Respect Monsieur Henri Toivonen .
Senna beyond the speed of sound soundtrack for Henry Toivonen, yes:Two absolute champions, two exceptional, kind and humble people, The most beautiful era of F1 and rallies in history has ended with you. We miss you😪🙏
I knew that Henri was ill, but I did not appreciate how ill he was until I saw this video and the interviews. A lot of flu medicines warn not to drive, and that is when you are driving something sedate, rather than the insane monster that the S4 was. I am unsure whether he should have been allowed to drive/compete on this event. A great talent. I saw Henri win the RAC, a truly great driver. He will forever be in our hearts. RIP.
Its hard to get across to people how hard these Group B cars are to drive. Malcolm Wilson was staying in the same hotel as the Lancia team in Corsica and he said at breakfast Henri was sat at a table over from him and he could not believe the amount of tablets the Lancia doctor was giving him with his breakfast.
Excellent video about the lost moments in the life to Henry Toivonen and his passion in the racer,s cars. Reace In Peace to him and his copilot Sergio...😢😢
The beginning of the end of the most wonderful time of the rally... rest in peace dear Henry, together with Cresto and the others martyrs of his passion. Group B never forgotten. Thanks Marv, always with unpublished material, somewhere you keep a time machine.Greetings from Chile, genius
Lui era semplicemente il più veloce. Henri, Sergio e Attilio (Bettega, morto esattamente l'anno prima sempre al Tour de Corse), noi non vi dimentichiamo.
Thank you so much for this video Marv, as usual excelent quality with your videos, somehow getting all of this footage from god knows where and putting all of it together in a spectacular way.
Sono passati oltre trent'anni, eppure quante volte ci ho ripensato? Odio la spettacolarizzazione di eventi che hanno coinvolto la vita di persone umane, ma non posso fare a meno di cercare e vedere video come questo. L'aspetto piu' inquietante dell'incidente e' che fin da subito era chiaro a tutti che tutto il sistema, spettatori da casa inclusi, era colpevole. Avevo 15 anni il 2 maggio 1986: in quel giorno, prematuramente, credo di essermi ritrovato adulto.
Che dire:bellissimo commento e bellissimo pensiero.... In quel giorno io avevo 13 anni,ma seguivo i rally con grande passione tramite tv e giornali:la mia cameretta era tempestata di poster di Lancia Martini in tutte le salse e sopra il letto avevo il poster gigante della vittoria di Toivonen-Cresto al RAC 1985,dove si vedeva la S4 volare su un dosso circondata dal fango..... Quel giorno fu traumatico per me come per tutti gli appassionati,i piloti,i meccanici.....tutti..... Ogni volta che vedo video sul GrB mi viene la pelle d'oca e una strana euforia per quell'ERA che non tornerà più :un'era dove si vedevano veri piloti e assi del volante ognuno con il suo stile,si vedevano mostri da oltre 500cv ognuna con la sua filosofia e il suo caratteristico sound..... Ora sono tutti uguali con auto tutte uguali che addirittura hanno la sbandata assistita:non so quanti dei nuovi idoli sono in grado di guidare una di queste belve.-..... Questo è un bellissimo e doloroso documento,ma rimane una testimonianza di quel giorno tragico che fece spegnere quella follia che alimentava i rally in quel periodo:auto folli progettate da ingegneri folli,guidate da piloti folli circondati da spettatori che forse erano i più folli di tutti......... Vorrei però tornare a quel periodo quando il rally veniva mostrato nei tg,se ne parlava ovunque... e forse proprio il Gr.B ha permesso all'automobilismo di avere quella visibilità reale ( e non aiutata da tv a pagamento e sponsor..) che non ha mai avuto Un periodo dove tutto era più bello e più umano di ora,l'italia era una potenza economica,si potevano acquistare tante belle auto con cui sentirsi un pò pilota (Uno Turbo i.e.,Super5 GT Turbo,Ritmo Abarth,Delta HF Turbo),c'erano veri sentimenti e belle personalità......
@@samv7015 bellissimo questo commento.Io avevo solo 6 anni e non ricordo niente di questo incidente anche se i motori cominciavano ad appassionarmi.Invidio chi ha potuto vivere quell'era e quegli anni di motorsport in genere ,periodo dove gli ingegneri con le poche risorse che avevano tiravano fuori capolavori tecnici che ancora oggi ricordiamo.Dove i piloti erano veri eroi che mettevano a repentaglio la propria vita in ogni speciale o GP. Video tanto bello quanto triste,colpisce molto l'impotenza del pilota che arriva subito dietro e si rende conto di non poter fare nulla vedendo l'S4 che sta bruciando...
@@sams4964 Come ho scritto ero un ragazzino ,ma capivo di vivere un periodo felice. Noi avevamo le strade,il pallone,le bici(possibilmente riciclata dal fratello o cugino più grande),il contatto umano,la pizza una volta al mese che sembrava una cerimonia,le utilitarie che si caricavano allo spasimo per andare al mare,Giochi Senza Frontiere e Indietro Tutta in tv,per non parlare di Miami Vice. le radio passavano The Final Countdown,si mangiavano ancora cibi sani e tutto era più reale e concreto. Ora è tutto falso e virtuale,è tutto apparenza e ninete sostanza. Non cambierei mai la mia adolescenza e i miei 20 anni carichi di sofferenze e seplicità,con quelli di adesso,pieni di comodità ,ma falsi come l'euro...
Henri Toivonen is the greatest rally driver of all time, besides Colin McRae and Walter Rohrl. Henri Toivonen is also the greatest person from Finland. Sergio Cresto is the best American Italian ever and the best Italian Amercian ever, too, apart from Mario Andretti. :)
it is very difficult to comment on what when and how this happened there are lots of theory's and if im honest if the truth was told would you believe it ?? i myself have been to Corsica twice to Henri /Sergio headstone last year was the 30th anniversary and i was the only one to pay tribute to them on a very wet Monday afternoon in corte strangely it stop raining long enough to take photos at around the 2.55pm time its claimed the accident happen 30 years ago to the day once done it carryed on bucketing down maybe henri / sergio was watching from above
respect m8 have you seen the comment ''callum ratcliffe'' has putt on that the crash was fake i bet he wears a tinfoil hat at night he should go tell that to henri toivonens family i bet they would give him a good kicking if he thinks it dident happen all he needs to do is a quick search on google!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! '' rip henri toivonen / sergio cresto'' men of greatness the drivers of to day have a lot to learn he was the master of the lancia s4 its sutch a shame he was a world champion in the making. lld3r
Was the roadcourse still the same ? I guess it probably was,still unchanged through the years. I'd like you to tell us something about that specific fraction :does it look highly difficult at any extent ? At what speed,approximately,was the car allegedly entering the bridge,according to your personal view of the road ? Thanks a lot !
Henri is a legend. He had that pure raw speed that many of the drivers doesn't have. He was unlucky man whose life was needed to end the crazy Group B era. He was one of the fastest drivers in the world, and will be forever. It's sad that we can't never know what really happened to him. I mean that the video material amd proof would be really helpful but there isn't any as we know...and it sucks. He'll stay in our hearts forever. RIP Henri and Sergio 🙏
No worries mate!!!!! I'am surprised how many views the video has had. I think Henri has that Legendary status like Senna. When they see the name Toivonen it grabs them.
Mi fa ancora male ripensare alla tragedia del 1986 in Corsica. Toivonen era davvero un asso e la Lancia aveva la vettura vincente. Credo che quell'anno il titolo sarebbe stato sicuramente suo. Riposa in pace Henri
shredfusion1 la S4 si disintegro' e le fiamme la bruciarono completamente. Impossibile risalire se l'incidente fosse causato da un cedimento tecnico oppure da un errore del pilota
shredfusion1 Sapevo anche io del comando acceleratore... il che in effetti sarebbe compatibile con l'impatto in un punto relativamente "lento". In ogni caso, che restino in pace sia Sergio che Henri!
commovente all'inizio l'immagine di Cresto che controlla il cronometro prende la tabella e da l'ok a Henri a partire chiudendo la portiera ..... mi viene da piangere 😢
Great video, two very tallented guys taken to early, who knows what they might have achieved henry was an amazing driver for his age my favourite at the time RIP
To Marvdogger2 Very Thanks for this genuine and important document..... In this tragic day i have 13 years and the incident shock me for long time... Gr.B the pure Rally car for very driver, WRC surrogate for all simple driver.....
Hauntingly beautiful montage. Was too young to appreciate this era, but I now see that it simply couldn't continue. Toivonen and Cresto's death was probably the final straw but in truth Group B was too dangerous on the stages as they existed, and with the total lack of crowd control. The saddest part is surely that they already had a massive lead, all they had to do was to drive relatively conservatively and they would likely have won the rally, reliability permitting? I read of various theories; Toivonen's virus affecting/impairing his driving judgement, rocks placed on the road (which seems implausible because of the danger to any would-be sabbateur), or some sort of abrupt mechanical failure in the steering, suspension or drivetrain. People say that the S4 was a fearsome beast, which only Toivonen could master. Either way, given the entry speed to the corner, and no barrier to deflect the car's trajectory, a severe accident was something which could have befallen any of the cars in the rally on that part of the course. Much criticism came to Lancia because of various (seemingly crazy) design choices associated with the vehicle, e.g. fuel tank underneath the drivers' seat, but I'll bet that many of the rival manufacturers heaved a sigh of relief on the cancellation of Group B. Would a Peugeot or Audi have survived such an extreme crash without killing their pilots? We will never know. The outcome was a tragedy, no doubt about it.
Quando lo hanno inquadrato per l'ultima volta aveva la stessa faccia preoccupata di Senna il giorno della loro sfortunata scomparsa..sembra sentissero che erano in pericolo con quelle macchine..
Secondo me devi cambiare fornitore..Senna aveva alle spalle due incidenti terribili i giorni immediatamente precedenti la sua tragica fine, di cui uno che ha coinvolto il suo migliore amico e l'altro mortale che ha vissuto in prima persona..Toivonen era solo sotto stress e un pò malaticcio, i due eventi sono assolutamente incomparabili
Caro Marco Polo , nel discorso hai fatto un po’ di confusione. Ti spiego il perché da medico , nel caso di Toivonen non aveva la faccia preoccupata, era solo stanco perché non stava bene aveva la febbre. Di conseguenza non era Lucido nella guida , per guidare auto di quella potenza incredibile da 600 cv devi essere il più lucido possibile , a quei livelli oltre ad essere il miglior pilota.io ho fatto una prova un giorno avevo la febbre a 38 , provai a guidare un auto del pikes peak che hanno oltre i 600 cv Del mio migliore amico ,credimi caro marco mi è stato molto difficile guidarla perché appunto, ero malato e i riflessi erano lenti .Buona giornata
Studi scientifici confermano, ed io concordo, che poche ore prima della propria morte, il ns istinto, o spirito come viene chiamato in Medicina Integrativa, lo avverta e...io concordo con @Marco polo, meno con gli altri che, senza offesa per nessuno, se il medico non avesse avuto la febbre non era semplice cmq guidare 600 cv...per l'altro...no comment.
@@A-frago anche io sono d'accordo con te e con marco polo. L'anno precedente poi sempre in Corsica era morto il grande trentino Attilio Bettega... Forse Toivonen pensava proprio a questo... come forse Senna pensava a Ratzenberger.
In realtà Miki Biasion in un'intervista ha detto che la sera prima lui, Henry e Alen scherzavano ed erano relativamente tranquilli perché le posizioni in classifica erano decisamente definite con Henry saldamente in testa alla gara che poteva tranquillamente amministrare il vantaggio su Saby pertanto sempre a detta di Miki, erano tutti piuttosto tranquilli. Poi magari il malessere di Henry ha influito, oppure è successo qualcosa che non scopriremo mai anche perché la macchina è andata completamente distrutta dal fuoco. Un'altra cosa strana è che secondo Miki, Toivonen è uscito a destra (all'interno della curva) per poi tentare di controllare la delta portandola fuori strada a sinistra dove non essendoci protezioni, è rotolata sotto la strada di qualche metro incendiandosi. Io sono stato sul posto diverse volte e ogni volta rimango incredulo di come si possa morire in una curva così insignificante. Ma purtroppo è andata così e l'equipaggio piu forte del momento se n'è andato.
Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto are still remembered and honored in Finland. Henri's brother Harri was also a rally driver, but didn't succeed as Henri was.
An amazing talent taken far to soon that car along side all group b were so much harder to control than today's wrc cars I personally think that this makes them superior in talent than today's drivers not wishing to offend just my opinion.
No you're quite right. The Group B drivers were on another level to drive those cars flat out on long stages and for reallys that would sometimes go on for days. Today's drivers complain when there are too many night stages.
Those group B days....Awesome men with balls of steel.... Racing in general has become a gay leasure fun way to pass time now... Toivonen was and still is the greatest rally driver never to win the world championship title....one of my childhood heroes.... RIP great man.... 👍😎
Way too many things lined up poorly at Corsica that year. Just thinking about wrestling that car on slicks for one stage makes me mentally tired. Gone way too soon Henri & Sergio
The top drivers all got together before the rally and asked for the long stages to be cancelled and for stages where the road surfaces was in poor condition to also be canceled. They all put there names on paper and signed it. Mr Balestre produced his own piece of paper signed by the non works drivers and privateer drivers all in less powerful cars which said they were happy for the rally to run as it. Balestre told the teams and drivers that the cars should be modified to run on rallies and not rally's modified to suit cars. What happens after the accident apart from banning of Group B. Balestre announces all stages must now be limited to i think 30k in length and speeds on stages must be reduced and more rest time for the drivers effective immediately. Balestre was never fit to be president of the FIA, the way he ran the show.
The worst part about it is that he essentially banned the type of cars that he had cherished for to begin with. He loosened the regulations to allow for these kinds of more powerful cars to enter the Rallying scene, but did not bat one eye to the Safety of the drivers, crowds and the stages. Having watched so much footage of the Group B era, I can say the it was a great period for Rallying but so horrifically managed by him, FISA as a whole and the organisers of particular events where crowd control was at it's worst like Monte Carlo, Portugal and Sanremo. All the great drivers in this era wouldn't have stepped into these beasts if they didn't feel the confidence to do so, and you also can't blame the manufacturers for exploiting the limits with their cars because thats what they wanted to do. After the accidents of Bettega and Vatanen in 1985 and Santos in Portugal 1986, it 's almost like they were waiting for another disaster to happen before actually giving a shit and stepping in to do something about it.
That's right they wanted to get more manufacturers into rallying so they created Group B and even promised 6 or 8 years of stability and no rule changed. Which is why Peugeot sued the FIA when Group B was cancelled as they had spent millions on development and were ready for a third Evolution of the 205 T16. To ban Group B without even consulting the drivers and manufacturers was selfish.
Indeed. Because of the ban, cars like the Quattro S1, the Delta S4, the Metro 6R4 and the Ford RS200 never got the proper chances they needed or two to show their true potential to be fighting it out together with Peugeot for the title. And also, this is just my personal view but I genuinely believe that the Group B drivers are not given enough credit for having such huge amounts of guts, commitment and determination to go as fast as possible in a time when the word Safety had just about been abolished from FISA's vocabulary. There's no doubt that we're probably never going to see likes of these cars and drivers ever coming back, but thank goodness they are still being used in a lot of classic Rally/Motorsport events across mainly Europe to make sure that they and their drivers will always be remembered until the end of time.
Marvdogger2 I'm honestly surprised I've not heard of any other manufacturers suing FIA for that. With the amount of money Audi and Lancia put into their next gen cars as well as Toyota Group S cars too.
I'm a Finnish rally fan and of course a fan of Toivonen too, but i don't think he was at this point of his career the best Finnish driver. He had just gotten in a competitive car and had couple victories which was great, but there were guys like Kankkunen who i think might be the most skilled driver ever, and Vatanen (1 World title, 5 Time Dakar Rally winner) and Vatanen almost died too in a group B car, because his seat came out of place during a bump! Couple of Finns might have been faster drivers than him is all im saying. If this didn't happen and Toivonen had a long career, almost surely would have joined The group of Finnish world title holders at some point, but to be called the best of them, takes some real skills, because The level of Finnish rally driving and rally drivers was very, very high and still is! I think Henri wouldn't disagree on this. If i'm not wrong here, during the 80s and 90s, Finns took at some point 14 drivers world titles in 22 years or so, Finns also took both of the group B titles that were driven. Now when i think about it, its sad that we could have seen Toivonen still driving the modern rally cars in 90s and even after millennium. Old motorsport people also say that both Toivonen's, Henri and Pauli were fast on formula cars, Henri so skilled that he could have won in the F1, and Pauli was close to F1 contract in 1995 to a bottom-grid team, though. Blaming Toivonens risky driving for this is not cool because it seems More that he had a mechanical failure or blacked out. R.i.p Henri and Sergio
I didn't see much of his previous races but on this one he was obviously off, although S4 doesn't seem like a great handling car, Henry's driving on his last day was not ok
Very good stuff Marv, lot of footage I have not seen, the sight of the crew running back into the stage is truly harrowing, they didn't even go and hep, they just knew.
Once the car left the road. It was game over with the fuel tanks rupturing. Had the tanks not ruptured Henri and Sergio would probably have lived. The FIA should have made fuel cells mandatory like they did in F1.
Bellissimo video, toccante. Mi ha emozionato. Il problema era che quelle erano Formula 1 che però non correvano in pista... Piloti e navigatori usati come cavie in nome delle corse in attesa di una tragedia inevitabile... RIP Henri e Sergio.
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Henri snd Sergio would be proud to know all these years later we remember them.
They will never grow old or be forgotten.
Sì...
Even today, they are remembered
15.10.2021
Legend 🥺
Henri was my Hero ever since I saw him win the RAC in 1980. I was 22 when this happened, and I can still remember the absolute devastation I felt when I saw the news. Everyone bangs on about Senna's death, but to me, this was by far the most tragic. RIP Henri.
bugattieb110ss True, Senna had medical attention straight away while Henri and Sergio burnt in the car with no help at the scene for 15 - 20 minutes.
Both are very tragic deaths in different, yet similar ways. Both were avoidable, but the FIA said the show must go on...
Best days of rallying,though never to be repeated,
Don't cry because it's over
Smile because it happened!
writing this under the video where Henri burned to dust is somehow weird, dude..
@@hedlik yea
Toivonen was just pure talent, brings tears to my eyes watching him ❤ 😢
Toivonen was the Ayrton Senna of rallies, the most talented rally driver ever.
Rovanperä might be more talented. A lot of similarity with Toivonen
@@postilaatikko7384 maybe but Rovanpera would probably shit his pants in Group B times without electronic assistance, 170 degree wheel, 2022 suspension and high downforce tested in proper wind tunnels with telemetry... with no mention that Toivonen was doing above 200km/h on gravel with people standing literally on track, thousands of people... The Group B drivers have no equal in modern era or future, sorry.
@@MattproThe very VERY well said🙌
Sorry but no. Toivonen is the Toivonen of rallies.
@@pauloruilopes5777 Claro que sim, talvez eu pudesse ter me expressado melhor, mas tb acho que percebeste o que eu queria dizer, que o Toivonen, nos rallies era o equivalente ao Senna na F1, o melhor, o mais talentoso e o mais poderoso piloto, talvez de todos os tempos. Não deixa de ser uma opinião subjectiva, mas em ambos os casos, longe de ser uma opinião rara, ou muito original, no caso do Senna, muito comum, até.
Greetings from Finland.
We remember Henri every day...
Flying Finns have a angel, who knows rally.
2.9 sec 0-100 km/h
9.6 sec 0-200 km/h
500 or more hp !!!
But was 1986 without electric controls or "abs" ...
memories
Super Duty really driver....👍
Itku pitkästä ilosta.
:(
Walter Röhrl prediceted the death of Toivonen...
As a child I watched Henri on a couple of RAC rallies, he was my hero. This video was upsetting to watch but also a fitting tribute to two brilliant men. RIP Henri & Sergio
2.9 sec 0-100 km/h
9.6 sec 0-200 km/h
..but was 1986 without electric controls or abs
nor even a handbrake
And the 2.8 sec 0-100 km/h time was on gravel, on asphalt the s4 would do around 2.3 seconds to reach 100
balls of steel, today are bunch of pussies with electronic help
@@matt7232 eh i wouldnt say that, theres no traction control or ABS in today's WRC cars
its really mostly differental settings on the fly from the driver's side with the steering wheel alongside torque settings where at the time prior to WRC era you have to settle that months before even testing
@@matt7232 but the outrageous aero has stuck around, especially with Toyota's case
Henri Toivonen et Sergio Cresto resteront dans nos coeurs trente quatre ans après leur disparition tragique le 2/5/1986 en Corse. Henri Toivonen aurait pu devenir champion du monde des rallye en 1986 au volant de la Lancia Delta S4. Il avait un palmarès et un talent exceptionnel. Respect Mr Henri Toivonen et à son copilote Sergio Cresto. 🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘
❤❤❤❤❤.
This is a nice and sad video. The last song gives me tears..
Solo tu sai cosa è successo. Sei stato il più bravo di tutti. Eri l'unico che portavi al limite la S4. Avresti vinto a mano bassa il mondiale. Non avevi concorrenza. R. I. P. LEGGENDA DEL RALLY. NESSUNO PIÙ COME TE, HENRY TOIVONEN 😭✊
Thank you for this. I stopped watching Rally after Toivonen's death. He died on the day after my 11th birthday. I also stopped watching formula 1 when Senna died on my 19th birthday. Now I had to research a lot about them for a work I had to do. Although painful and making me still cry after all these years, this footage are actually helping me to cope with those traumas, maybe even take a look to what has been happening in Rally and Formula 1 all these years. I still have a Markku Alén autograph, he exchanged a few words with a 10-year-old kid, unfortunately I don't have Toivonen's
R.I.P Henri Toivonen 1956-1986 You will always be my hero. 😢
Purtroppo in quella tragedia perde la vita anche Sergio Cresto, il suo navigatore. Non capisco il perché non viene citato. Sembra quasi che non esista, oltretutto nei rally è importante il navigatore quanto il pilota e comunque anche Sergio Cresto è una persona deceduta nella disgrazia riportata in questo filmato ed è giusto ricordare anche lui. R.I.P
@RANDOM STUFFS comunque è vero, immagini di Sergio non ce n'è, e anche il titolo cita solo il povero Henri.. s
I Agree a pair of real legends , rip your comments in English for all us non-italians "Unfortunately, Sergio Cresto, his navigator, also died in that tragedy. I don't understand why it isn't mentioned. It almost seems that it does not exist, moreover in the rally the navigator is as important as the pilot and in any case also Sergio Cresto is a deceased person in the misfortune reported in this video and it is right to remember him too. R.I.P"
Vero. Il navigatore è sempre una figura in ombra,ma non deve essere così nel ricordo.
@RANDOM STUFFS nel video e nel titolo non c'è, merita lo stesso spazio del pilota, una riga nella descrizione è poco e non è una nota di rilievo.
Assolutamente d’accordo rip Sergio,Italo americano grande co driver
io avevo 17 anni ai tempi e cominciavo ad appassionarmi a questo mondo. qualche anno fa sono stato sul luogo in cui è avvenuta la tragedia e mi sono fermato a pensare. sono stato assalito da un sacco di emozioni che non so definire. quando ci penso mi accade ancora. ne sono avvenute di tragedie negli anni a venire e ogni volta è la stessa cosa a prescindere da chi sia a perdere la vita facendo motorsport. non so descrivere cosa ho dentro e so di essere banale e di non dire nulla con queste parole ma quando ci penso mi sento smarrito.
Thanks for the video from Italy. So many new frames, a little bit as rewind Henry and Sergio here. Legends never dies. Passion never die. Alwais with all us. Thanks again...
he was the rally... he was tha martini lancia rally racin team... he was... he was the biggest rally driver ever born... thank you Henri to visit us in this planet...
You nailed it Gianfranco
RIP Henri and Sergio 😔😔
Joni-Pekka Vartiainen yes let us not forget Sergio they were a team after all, Henri was my favourite driver, I've found out today he was born the same year as myself they will never be forgotten RIP
I went to the scene of the accident in 2003. A poignant moment. Barely a day goes by that I don’t think about Henri and what happened on that day in 1986. Thank you for the beautiful tribute and view of the last hours of his life. It’s still shocking even now.
that is why the Gr. B ended...."These cars are faster than us"- Markku Allen.
Walter Röhrl was faster than the cars, thats the reason why he is still living. Walter Röhrl also predicted the death of Toivonen. All finnish drivers drank too much alcohol, Röhrl never did.
@@barfuss2007 Röhrl was a super driver and
a clever wise man as far as I can see in this footage.....that's why such statements sound
untrustworthy to me. Is there any stuff available on the internet ?
@@@INDIGOBLUE555
I have seen it on TV. Röhrl is still a man who tells his opinion, he didnt cares about publicity or political correctness. And dont forget his statement was also a warning for these risky drivers.
@@barfuss2007 I greatly respect and admire W R.
however his remarks about finnish "racing" drivers so often being on alcool effect definetly
sounds a bit harsh,that's why I have been searching for it in the net,unsuccessfully though.
I also have plain personal recollection of a creepy shoot featuring a great finnish driver at a check point in the 80es: he "surely" was on drugs (amphetamine or cocaine) and no wonder for that....long efforts under pressure on GroupB monsters easily took need for extra aids of some kind.
Back to Group B cars outperforming the drivers'
"mental" performance Röhrl himself admittedly
agreed those cars were, at times, faster than human brain, telling it shortly.
Let me highlight one objective point: let apart the
Toivonen/Cresto tragedy I have no recollection of
serious accidents during the GroupB monsters' season. Do you have some ?
@@@INDIGOBLUE555
in the interview with Röhrl a big accident in Portugal was namend but I dont know if it was the same year. Why dont you ask Röhrl himself? I think he will answer you correctly.
The Group B cars were deninitly too dangerous both for the spectators and the drivers. Röhrl drove so fast because he predicted the reactions of the cars too...
thats the reason he survived.
I have a T shirt with the S4 and Henry portrayed on it that I wear every time I go to the Gym. I've owned two Lotus Sunbeams and seen Henry rallying several times best probably him and Vatanen against each other on the IOM in Ascona 400s. Saw him win the RAC etc etc. and twice in the S4. Been to Corsica for the Tour De Corse Hystoriqe twice and visited the crash site to pay my tributes. Bit if a fan!!!!. He was feckin amazing as was the Lancia Delta S4. Both untouchable. Group B was amazing but took away a real star. Still quite happy these days to see #EE33 doing well in the Toyota. Will never forget them never ever. Thank you for a brilliant video thank you Finland and thank you Lancia.
Missed this one previously.... absolutely love the stuff you put together!
After 33 year's, I look again this movie, and my heart beat very bad. What Is possible ???? Ciao great Hero's (Henry, Sergio, Attilio ❤️) Grazie d tutto ! Thanks for all ! Elba and Corsica Brother's forever.
Ciao Sergio ciao Henri, riposate in pace;dai che un giorno ci incontreremo lassù
Thank you Marv for a well put together tribute to a lost legend. Henri was taken from us way to soon along with his co driver. The S4 along with all its Group B rivals demand the highest levels of skills / Concentration to drive. Fatigue was a big issue back then with very long stages. A factor that fateful day I’m sure. R.I.P 🙏
Rivedendo questo video mi fà ancora male........RIP Henri e Sergio............................
It's so heartbraking to hear Henri talking about how physical exhaustion was taking over him. And to think he'd still be alive if Lancia team would've retired him for that rally, but I understand why they didn't, he wanted to continue, and he was winning stages, winning rallies back to back, he was pretty much the man to be champion that year... It still was so avoidable, it hurts, I can't describe it with words...
And the fact that the race of Corsica happened 2 weeks after the Chernobyl disaster...
S'il n'avait pas connu cette tragédie en Corse , Henri Toivonen aurait pu devenir champion du monde des rallyes en 1986 tellement c'était un pilote exceptionnel , talentueux et hyper combattif . Il restera le Petit Prince des rallyes . 1986 aurait du être l'année de Lancia avec la Delta S4 et de Toivonen . Respect Monsieur Henri Toivonen .
I must get around to making a Toivinen Lancia tribute.
LANCIA S4 Turbodelta! What a rallycar!! RIP Henri & Sergio
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31 years and I still miss him enormously. A lovely human with a great talent. Taken in his prime, was never quite as good since Group B!
May Henri and Sergio's souls rest in eternal peace. You live on in our memories and will never be forgotten.
35 years ago my friends- Never will Henri be forgotten RIP
Senna beyond the speed of sound soundtrack for Henry Toivonen, yes:Two absolute champions, two exceptional, kind and humble people, The most beautiful era of F1 and rallies in history has ended with you. We miss you😪🙏
Beautiful. I always look forward to your content. Toivonen is also my favorite rally driver. Thank you.
I knew that Henri was ill, but I did not appreciate how ill he was until I saw this video and the interviews. A lot of flu medicines warn not to drive, and that is when you are driving something sedate, rather than the insane monster that the S4 was. I am unsure whether he should have been allowed to drive/compete on this event. A great talent. I saw Henri win the RAC, a truly great driver. He will forever be in our hearts. RIP.
Its hard to get across to people how hard these Group B cars are to drive. Malcolm Wilson was staying in the same hotel as the Lancia team in Corsica and he said at breakfast Henri was sat at a table over from him and he could not believe the amount of tablets the Lancia doctor was giving him with his breakfast.
Sometimes the most precocious talents are wrapped in the most fragile packaging
Wonderful video. Excellent. You managed to send me deep emotions. This man is a milestone for motorsport.
Excellent video about the lost moments in the life to Henry Toivonen and his passion in the racer,s cars.
Reace In Peace to him and his copilot Sergio...😢😢
"A long joy ends in sorrow." -A Finnish proverb
never stop making videos marv :]
Excellent video. Truly one of rallyings darkest days. RIP Henri & Sergio.
The beginning of the end of the most wonderful time of the rally... rest in peace dear Henry, together with Cresto and the others martyrs of his passion. Group B never forgotten. Thanks Marv, always with unpublished material, somewhere you keep a time machine.Greetings from Chile, genius
Sono stato un grande tifoso di Henri Toivonen...lui mi ha trasmesso la passione per i rally e quella macchina incredibile che era la Lancia Delta S4
Lui era semplicemente il più veloce. Henri, Sergio e Attilio (Bettega, morto esattamente l'anno prima sempre al Tour de Corse), noi non vi dimentichiamo.
Thank you so much for this video Marv, as usual excelent quality with your videos, somehow getting all of this footage from god knows where and putting all of it together in a spectacular way.
HOLY HECC IT'S BURPLE
also RIP Henri, his sense of humour was also hilarious
Toivonen come Gilles ........... LEGGENDE IMMORTALI !!!! Nessuno come loro .
Vero... R. I.P.
Sono passati oltre trent'anni, eppure quante volte ci ho ripensato? Odio la spettacolarizzazione di eventi che hanno coinvolto la vita di persone umane, ma non posso fare a meno di cercare e vedere video come questo. L'aspetto piu' inquietante dell'incidente e' che fin da subito era chiaro a tutti che tutto il sistema, spettatori da casa inclusi, era colpevole. Avevo 15 anni il 2 maggio 1986: in quel giorno, prematuramente, credo di essermi ritrovato adulto.
Che dire:bellissimo commento e bellissimo pensiero....
In quel giorno io avevo 13 anni,ma seguivo i rally con grande passione tramite tv e giornali:la mia cameretta era tempestata di poster di Lancia Martini in tutte le salse e sopra il letto avevo il poster gigante della vittoria di Toivonen-Cresto al RAC 1985,dove si vedeva la S4 volare su un dosso circondata dal fango.....
Quel giorno fu traumatico per me come per tutti gli appassionati,i piloti,i meccanici.....tutti.....
Ogni volta che vedo video sul GrB mi viene la pelle d'oca e una strana euforia per quell'ERA che non tornerà più :un'era dove si vedevano veri piloti e assi del volante ognuno con il suo stile,si vedevano mostri da oltre 500cv ognuna con la sua filosofia e il suo caratteristico sound.....
Ora sono tutti uguali con auto tutte uguali che addirittura hanno la sbandata assistita:non so quanti dei nuovi idoli sono in grado di guidare una di queste belve.-.....
Questo è un bellissimo e doloroso documento,ma rimane una testimonianza di quel giorno tragico che fece spegnere quella follia che alimentava i rally in quel periodo:auto folli progettate da ingegneri folli,guidate da piloti folli circondati da spettatori che forse erano i più folli di tutti.........
Vorrei però tornare a quel periodo quando il rally veniva mostrato nei tg,se ne parlava ovunque... e forse proprio il Gr.B ha permesso all'automobilismo di avere quella visibilità reale ( e non aiutata da tv a pagamento e sponsor..) che non ha mai avuto
Un periodo dove tutto era più bello e più umano di ora,l'italia era una potenza economica,si potevano acquistare tante belle auto con cui sentirsi un pò pilota (Uno Turbo i.e.,Super5 GT Turbo,Ritmo Abarth,Delta HF Turbo),c'erano veri sentimenti e belle personalità......
@@samv7015 bellissimo questo commento.Io avevo solo 6 anni e non ricordo niente di questo incidente anche se i motori cominciavano ad appassionarmi.Invidio chi ha potuto vivere quell'era e quegli anni di motorsport in genere ,periodo dove gli ingegneri con le poche risorse che avevano tiravano fuori capolavori tecnici che ancora oggi ricordiamo.Dove i piloti erano veri eroi che mettevano a repentaglio la propria vita in ogni speciale o GP. Video tanto bello quanto triste,colpisce molto l'impotenza del pilota che arriva subito dietro e si rende conto di non poter fare nulla vedendo l'S4 che sta bruciando...
@@sams4964
Come ho scritto ero un ragazzino ,ma capivo di vivere un periodo felice.
Noi avevamo le strade,il pallone,le bici(possibilmente riciclata dal fratello o cugino più grande),il contatto umano,la pizza una volta al mese che sembrava una cerimonia,le utilitarie che si caricavano allo spasimo per andare al mare,Giochi Senza Frontiere e Indietro Tutta in tv,per non parlare di Miami Vice.
le radio passavano The Final Countdown,si mangiavano ancora cibi sani e tutto era più reale e concreto.
Ora è tutto falso e virtuale,è tutto apparenza e ninete sostanza.
Non cambierei mai la mia adolescenza e i miei 20 anni carichi di sofferenze e seplicità,con quelli di adesso,pieni di comodità ,ma falsi come l'euro...
Henri Toivonen is the greatest rally driver of all time, besides Colin McRae and Walter Rohrl.
Henri Toivonen is also the greatest person from Finland.
Sergio Cresto is the best American Italian ever and the best Italian Amercian ever, too, apart from Mario Andretti.
:)
MARVDOGGER2...GRAZIE...Sto piangendo...MITICO HENRI nn meritavi questo. .Ciao amico mio👑👑👑👑👑
it is very difficult to comment on what when and how this happened there are lots of theory's and if im honest if the truth was told would you believe it ?? i myself have been to Corsica twice to Henri /Sergio headstone last year was the 30th anniversary and i was the only one to pay tribute to them on a very wet Monday afternoon in corte strangely it stop raining long enough to take photos at around the 2.55pm time its claimed the accident happen 30 years ago to the day once done it carryed on bucketing down maybe henri / sergio was watching from above
Thank You .
RESPECT!
respect m8 have you seen the comment ''callum ratcliffe'' has putt on that the crash was fake i bet he wears a tinfoil hat at night he should go tell that to henri toivonens family i bet they would give him a good kicking if he thinks it dident happen all he needs to do is a quick search on google!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! '' rip henri toivonen / sergio cresto'' men of greatness the drivers of to day have a lot to learn he was the master of the lancia s4 its sutch a shame he was a world champion in the making. lld3r
Was the roadcourse still the same ? I guess it probably was,still unchanged through the years.
I'd like you to tell us something about that specific fraction :does it look highly difficult at any extent ?
At what speed,approximately,was the car allegedly entering the bridge,according to your personal view of the road ? Thanks a lot !
@@INDIGOBLUE555 they changed the side wall, it is a bit taller nowadays to prevent accidents like that one
Henri is a legend. He had that pure raw speed that many of the drivers doesn't have. He was unlucky man whose life was needed to end the crazy Group B era. He was one of the fastest drivers in the world, and will be forever. It's sad that we can't never know what really happened to him. I mean that the video material amd proof would be really helpful but there isn't any as we know...and it sucks. He'll stay in our hearts forever. RIP Henri and Sergio 🙏
Thank You Marv for this video, for reminding Henri and Sergio final rally.
Although it cost him his life nobody pushed a rally car to it's limits like Henri and Sergio. RIP to both of you champs.
A wonderful tribute to a "Flying Finn" .... thanks Marv.
Marv, thank you thank you for sharing this footage of the legend he love so much. You have outdone yourself again mate
No worries mate!!!!! I'am surprised how many views the video has had. I think Henri has that Legendary status like Senna. When they see the name Toivonen it grabs them.
Mi fa ancora male ripensare alla tragedia del 1986 in Corsica. Toivonen era davvero un asso e la Lancia aveva la vettura vincente. Credo che quell'anno il titolo sarebbe stato sicuramente suo. Riposa in pace Henri
renzo rocchi Insieme alla 205 T16... erano le auto per il titolo.
ma alla fine si sa realmente quali furono le cause dell'incidente?
shredfusion1 la S4 si disintegro' e le fiamme la bruciarono completamente. Impossibile risalire se l'incidente fosse causato da un cedimento tecnico oppure da un errore del pilota
renzo rocchi E con lui perì pure Sergio Cresto.... poveretti, che sciagura...
shredfusion1 Sapevo anche io del comando acceleratore... il che in effetti sarebbe compatibile con l'impatto in un punto relativamente "lento". In ogni caso, che restino in pace sia Sergio che Henri!
Beautiful and fitting tribute to one of my hero’s, thanks buddy👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
commovente all'inizio l'immagine di Cresto che controlla il cronometro prende la tabella e da l'ok a Henri a partire chiudendo la portiera ..... mi viene da piangere 😢
Great video, two very tallented guys taken to early, who knows what they might have achieved henry was an amazing driver for his age my favourite at the time RIP
To Marvdogger2 Very Thanks for this genuine and important document.....
In this tragic day i have 13 years and the incident shock me for long time...
Gr.B the pure Rally car for very driver, WRC surrogate for all simple driver.....
Thanks Marv for this and all yours videos, i was born after group B, but see that, y feel the rally in my mind.👍👍👍
Thank you Marv. Greetings from Finland.
So sad he left so early. R.I.P.
Hauntingly beautiful montage. Was too young to appreciate this era, but I now see that it simply couldn't continue. Toivonen and Cresto's death was probably the final straw but in truth Group B was too dangerous on the stages as they existed, and with the total lack of crowd control. The saddest part is surely that they already had a massive lead, all they had to do was to drive relatively conservatively and they would likely have won the rally, reliability permitting? I read of various theories; Toivonen's virus affecting/impairing his driving judgement, rocks placed on the road (which seems implausible because of the danger to any would-be sabbateur), or some sort of abrupt mechanical failure in the steering, suspension or drivetrain. People say that the S4 was a fearsome beast, which only Toivonen could master. Either way, given the entry speed to the corner, and no barrier to deflect the car's trajectory, a severe accident was something which could have befallen any of the cars in the rally on that part of the course. Much criticism came to Lancia because of various (seemingly crazy) design choices associated with the vehicle, e.g. fuel tank underneath the drivers' seat, but I'll bet that many of the rival manufacturers heaved a sigh of relief on the cancellation of Group B. Would a Peugeot or Audi have survived such an extreme crash without killing their pilots? We will never know. The outcome was a tragedy, no doubt about it.
Incredible vídeo! 🇪🇸
Quando lo hanno inquadrato per l'ultima volta aveva la stessa faccia preoccupata di Senna il giorno della loro sfortunata scomparsa..sembra sentissero che erano in pericolo con quelle macchine..
Secondo me devi cambiare fornitore..Senna aveva alle spalle due incidenti terribili i giorni immediatamente precedenti la sua tragica fine, di cui uno che ha coinvolto il suo migliore amico e l'altro mortale che ha vissuto in prima persona..Toivonen era solo sotto stress e un pò malaticcio, i due eventi sono assolutamente incomparabili
Caro Marco Polo , nel discorso hai fatto un po’ di confusione. Ti spiego il perché da medico , nel caso di Toivonen non aveva la faccia preoccupata, era solo stanco perché non stava bene aveva la febbre. Di conseguenza non era Lucido nella guida , per guidare auto di quella potenza incredibile da 600 cv devi essere il più lucido possibile , a quei livelli oltre ad essere il miglior pilota.io ho fatto una prova un giorno avevo la febbre a 38 , provai a guidare un auto del pikes peak che hanno oltre i 600 cv Del mio migliore amico ,credimi caro marco mi è stato molto difficile guidarla perché appunto, ero malato e i riflessi erano lenti .Buona giornata
Studi scientifici confermano, ed io concordo, che poche ore prima della propria morte, il ns istinto, o spirito come viene chiamato in Medicina Integrativa, lo avverta e...io concordo con @Marco polo, meno con gli altri che, senza offesa per nessuno, se il medico non avesse avuto la febbre non era semplice cmq guidare 600 cv...per l'altro...no comment.
@@A-frago anche io sono d'accordo con te e con marco polo. L'anno precedente poi sempre in Corsica era morto il grande trentino Attilio Bettega... Forse Toivonen pensava proprio a questo... come forse Senna pensava a Ratzenberger.
In realtà Miki Biasion in un'intervista ha detto che la sera prima lui, Henry e Alen scherzavano ed erano relativamente tranquilli perché le posizioni in classifica erano decisamente definite con Henry saldamente in testa alla gara che poteva tranquillamente amministrare il vantaggio su Saby pertanto sempre a detta di Miki, erano tutti piuttosto tranquilli. Poi magari il malessere di Henry ha influito, oppure è successo qualcosa che non scopriremo mai anche perché la macchina è andata completamente distrutta dal fuoco. Un'altra cosa strana è che secondo Miki, Toivonen è uscito a destra (all'interno della curva) per poi tentare di controllare la delta portandola fuori strada a sinistra dove non essendoci protezioni, è rotolata sotto la strada di qualche metro incendiandosi. Io sono stato sul posto diverse volte e ogni volta rimango incredulo di come si possa morire in una curva così insignificante. Ma purtroppo è andata così e l'equipaggio piu forte del momento se n'è andato.
..............per SEMPRE...................Henry e TUTTI gli altri piloti sfortunati...su strada e su pista.... LOVE ! pijon
A touching tribute to a brilliant young man whose life was tragically cut short. Group B forever.
Marv...thank you from the U.S.🇺🇲
Recuerdo imborrable para Henry y Sergio!!!!! 💚💚💚💚♥️♥️♥️♥️💚💚💚💚
Nessuno poteva star davanti a LUI....
Toivonen...immortale..!!!!!!!!!!
RIP legend. Still remembered. You taimed that beast for far longer than anyone could.
What a beautiful video. Thank you.
Rest in peace Henri and Sergio 💕
The Lancia Delta S4 was the most insane rally car ever!
You can not call it a rally car.... :(
This make me cry...
Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto are still remembered and honored in Finland. Henri's brother Harri was also a rally driver, but didn't succeed as Henri was.
una escena muy triste, que terminó acabando con el BG Rally. Una pena realmente. Salud for ever Toivonen!!!
Another great video, thanks! RIP Henri Toivonen.
Sempre emozionante sentire ancora di voi ....grazie Henri ....grazie Sergio ...
Dangerous and beautiful at the same time... RIP to Henri & Sergio... ❤️❤️❤️
Unforgotten and unforgettable king of the S4. Riposa in pace Henri
AINDA CHORO O MELHOR PILOTO DE SEMPRE ATÉ SEMPRE HENRY
Da appassionato di automobilismo l'ho ricordo quel maledetto rally di Corsica , erano grandi Henri e Sergio
An amazing talent taken far to soon that car along side all group b were so much harder to control than today's wrc cars I personally think that this makes them superior in talent than today's drivers not wishing to offend just my opinion.
No you're quite right. The Group B drivers were on another level to drive those cars flat out on long stages and for reallys that would sometimes go on for days. Today's drivers complain when there are too many night stages.
David Grove Grove I agree, what amazing talent from a young man
Those group B days....Awesome men with balls of steel....
Racing in general has become a gay leasure fun way to pass time now...
Toivonen was and still is the greatest rally driver never to win the world championship title....one of my childhood heroes....
RIP great man....
👍😎
Great post...
What’s “gay” got to do with it? Look up the word “cretin”.
The most sad video that I ever seen in my life..
Way too many things lined up poorly at Corsica that year. Just thinking about wrestling that car on slicks for one stage makes me mentally tired.
Gone way too soon Henri & Sergio
The top drivers all got together before the rally and asked for the long stages to be cancelled and for stages where the road surfaces was in poor condition to also be canceled. They all put there names on paper and signed it.
Mr Balestre produced his own piece of paper signed by the non works drivers and privateer drivers all in less powerful cars which said they were happy for the rally to run as it. Balestre told the teams and drivers that the cars should be modified to run on rallies and not rally's modified to suit cars.
What happens after the accident apart from banning of Group B. Balestre announces all stages must now be limited to i think 30k in length and speeds on stages must be reduced and more rest time for the drivers effective immediately.
Balestre was never fit to be president of the FIA, the way he ran the show.
The worst part about it is that he essentially banned the type of cars that he had cherished for to begin with. He loosened the regulations to allow for these kinds of more powerful cars to enter the Rallying scene, but did not bat one eye to the Safety of the drivers, crowds and the stages. Having watched so much footage of the Group B era, I can say the it was a great period for Rallying but so horrifically managed by him, FISA as a whole and the organisers of particular events where crowd control was at it's worst like Monte Carlo, Portugal and Sanremo.
All the great drivers in this era wouldn't have stepped into these beasts if they didn't feel the confidence to do so, and you also can't blame the manufacturers for exploiting the limits with their cars because thats what they wanted to do. After the accidents of Bettega and Vatanen in 1985 and Santos in Portugal 1986, it 's almost like they were waiting for another disaster to happen before actually giving a shit and stepping in to do something about it.
That's right they wanted to get more manufacturers into rallying so they created Group B and even promised 6 or 8 years of stability and no rule changed.
Which is why Peugeot sued the FIA when Group B was cancelled as they had spent millions on development and were ready for a third Evolution of the 205 T16. To ban Group B without even consulting the drivers and manufacturers was selfish.
Indeed. Because of the ban, cars like the Quattro S1, the Delta S4, the Metro 6R4 and the Ford RS200 never got the proper chances they needed or two to show their true potential to be fighting it out together with Peugeot for the title. And also, this is just my personal view but I genuinely believe that the Group B drivers are not given enough credit for having such huge amounts of guts, commitment and determination to go as fast as possible in a time when the word Safety had just about been abolished from FISA's vocabulary. There's no doubt that we're probably never going to see likes of these cars and drivers ever coming back, but thank goodness they are still being used in a lot of classic Rally/Motorsport events across mainly Europe to make sure that they and their drivers will always be remembered until the end of time.
Marvdogger2 I'm honestly surprised I've not heard of any other manufacturers suing FIA for that. With the amount of money Audi and Lancia put into their next gen cars as well as Toyota Group S cars too.
I'm a Finnish rally fan and of course a fan of Toivonen too, but i don't think he was at this point of his career the best Finnish driver. He had just gotten in a competitive car and had couple victories which was great, but there were guys like Kankkunen who i think might be the most skilled driver ever, and Vatanen (1 World title, 5 Time Dakar Rally winner) and Vatanen almost died too in a group B car, because his seat came out of place during a bump! Couple of Finns might have been faster drivers than him is all im saying. If this didn't happen and Toivonen had a long career, almost surely would have joined The group of Finnish world title holders at some point, but to be called the best of them, takes some real skills, because The level of Finnish rally driving and rally drivers was very, very high and still is! I think Henri wouldn't disagree on this. If i'm not wrong here, during the 80s and 90s, Finns took at some point 14 drivers world titles in 22 years or so, Finns also took both of the group B titles that were driven. Now when i think about it, its sad that we could have seen Toivonen still driving the modern rally cars in 90s and even after millennium. Old motorsport people also say that both Toivonen's, Henri and Pauli were fast on formula cars, Henri so skilled that he could have won in the F1, and Pauli was close to F1 contract in 1995 to a bottom-grid team, though. Blaming Toivonens risky driving for this is not cool because it seems More that he had a mechanical failure or blacked out. R.i.p Henri and Sergio
I didn't see much of his previous races but on this one he was obviously off, although S4 doesn't seem like a great handling car, Henry's driving on his last day was not ok
Thanks a lot for the document.rip Henry.
oh poor Henri!
He got so tired he can't even speak
*R.I.P HENRI YOU WILL BE MISSED*
2020. Henri e Sergio we still remember. Rip 🖤🖤
An other impressive video. Thank you Marvdogger.
Awesome awesome video, respectful and full on at the same time. What a story.
Quando vedo questi video fa tanto male e una ferita che si riapre,poveraccio.
Touching my heart because i consider Henri as a soul brother. Thanx
Very good stuff Marv, lot of footage I have not seen, the sight of the crew running back into the stage is truly harrowing, they didn't even go and hep, they just knew.
Once the car left the road. It was game over with the fuel tanks rupturing.
Had the tanks not ruptured Henri and Sergio would probably have lived. The FIA should have made fuel cells mandatory like they did in F1.
I know the reasons why it happened. Just very stark plus the fuel was very explosive, was full of magnesium and the tanks were partly under the seats.
Bellissimo video, toccante. Mi ha emozionato. Il problema era che quelle erano Formula 1 che però non correvano in pista... Piloti e navigatori usati come cavie in nome delle corse in attesa di una tragedia inevitabile... RIP Henri e Sergio.