im in class watching this when my teacher walks up and im so ready for a lecture but he just stares at my screen and says "are you watching smash brothers videos?" "yes" *Teacher giggles and walks away FELLOW SMASHER CONFIRMED
i got linked to this vid by someone arguing about crowd pressure effecting matches. its somewhat common knowledge that m2k's performance suffers under pressure, and here we see him play mango minus the crowd. and he smokes him, at least game one. that says something, no?
The crowd pressure only affects Mew2King if they are directly jeering and insulting him. At Apex 2013, the crowd was wild and people were duel chanting M2K and Mango, but Jason took the set in the end. But at KoC4, he played pretty poorly while the crowd chanted "7th place," "F you Jason," and even booing when switching to Marth against Fiction. Now Mango played on point this summer, and can convincingly beat Mew2King even with Fox.
***** Not true, actually. On both accounts. Mew2king still had a jump and Mango was reading the recovery early, opting for option coverage. But Mew2king stalled his recovery and was able to make it back. Mango ends up 3-0'ing M2k in set 2, winning the tournament, so it didn't really matter anyways.
kamajje He did jump after side B, why would he try to dair? why not just wait a bit to see what m2k was going to do and then press L, I don't think he could make it back without having to grab the edge at that point. Edit. I retract what I've said about him, he didn't lose the tournament indeed, this was just set 1
***** Mew2king side-B's to gain some horizontal distance. At this point, M2k is at a height where if he up-B's he will grab the ledge. However, he is still able to land on stage if he jumps after the sideB and then upB's. As another option, M2k can wait a bit after his sideB, jump in the air, and instead just hang in the air for a second until he's at a height where he'll grab the ledge (this is what I was referring to when I said M2k was stalling his recovery), and then upB. Mango drops off the ledge _really_ low, and then jumps and dairs. He jumps low enough so that his dair comes out later and so will linger at a height just above the stage. This covers two options: M2k sideB'ing, jumping left and then trying to recover onto the stage; the dair will catch M2k in that little time frame where Marth floats back onto the stage. The other option is M2k sideB's, floats down a bit more left, and then recovers right after jumping (without the little stall after the jump); the dair would have caught M2k in his Dolphin Slash. Much of edgehogging Marth is not reacting to Dolphin Slash, it's knowing when they will Dolphin Slash. Many times when a Marth is knocked off stage, they are at a height and distance away to where the only way to recover is sideB _x_ amount of times, and then upB after that, and then grabbing the ledge. It's very telegraphed, and rolling on the ledge is the best way to edgehog him because you know that he _has_ to upB at a certain point, and no other. However, it's different in some cases when the Marth has different choices he can make to recover, like in this situation. That's just my take on things lol. Looking at it again it wasn't as clear-cut as I originally thought it was and I just as well could be wrong.
kamajje Whoa dude, thanks for the explanation but I already knew all of that. Mango was past 100%, the climb animation lasts longer at that %, it is not that difficult to react to up B :s and even if you mess up a little bit, at that percent you will stay more time grabbing the edge invincible and it is likely that you'll get the edgehog anyway.
***** ^^ and this was just the end of the melee tourney !!! ..... project m was suppose to happen after that. FP4 had almost a 50% greater turn out than FP3 #MELEEisGROWING
Yo.gotta give husband props on commentary. amazing commentator and historic smasher in his own right. Wife is amazing but together with husband, they are legendary.
IcyInferno11 Just isn't as hype since the matchup is in (Marths?) favour to begin with and it's with a top tier vs a top tier. Still a really hype moment though.
Basically the way I remember it, the tournament ran late and they needed to leave as soon as possible (in fact, I remember watching this live and the last words spoken as the stream went down were gimr saying "aw come one officer!"). Anyway, they needed to leave and I guess duck was already aware that M2K would win their losers finals set anyway, so Duck forfeited so they wouldn't have to play a 20 minute sheik vs samus set.
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There is something about two of the best smashers in history dueling it out in an empty room that makes this whole picture absolutely legendary.
A great set with better commentary.
Dayum, blast from the past! Husband and Wife commentary on the Robot and Mango. This is some 2009 shit. I'm so into it.
"Moonwalk Edgehog"
Sounds like Deviantart character.
I've always loved that M2K and Mango are always friendly. After every game they smile or laugh and talk to each other.
This was truly historic.
Holy crap a very pleasant surprise at the end!!
There's something eerily beautiful about them just playing the game with no audience. :P
Lol in player cams M2K looks stoned and mango looks focused. Used to be the other way around
im in class watching this when my teacher walks up and im so ready for a lecture but he just stares at my screen and says "are you watching smash brothers videos?"
"yes"
*Teacher giggles and walks away
FELLOW SMASHER CONFIRMED
Did this actually happen? That would be awesome. :D
TheCookieCrusader yeah it actually did lol , this is my new account,
TaikoDrumroll lol stop watching porn
If only you could watch this without commentary but with all the sound effects.
Thanks so much to GimR for the new format! What a great treat, Husband and Wife and M2K Mango. Awesome.
Gotta give Chibo props. He's the first person I saw do something like this at Zenith 2014
VGBC | GimR *2012
VGBC | GimR sweet :)
I love how duck forfeited because even he knew that his set with mango would just take forever.
You mean his set with M2k
Oh god, right. Sorry, wishful thinking there.
That first match oh my god
so 2 of the best players are going at it while literally no one is watching but the streamers/commentators
So spooky without a crowd.
Video timer you lied to me?!
Yea I love this new way of posting Grand Finals it keeps the suspense of watching it live.
but wait where's set 2?!
warvad turn your annotations on as the last match ends.
Shouldn't there be a camera dedicated to their hands?
They would need a high speed camera. ;)
The greatest match nobody saw
I'm watching this a year later XD
I miss when they had two videos for a grand finals when it went to a bracket reset. That way you don't know who will win by video length as easily.
Published on 4/20 it was a pretty Dank match
i got linked to this vid by someone arguing about crowd pressure effecting matches. its somewhat common knowledge that m2k's performance suffers under pressure, and here we see him play mango minus the crowd. and he smokes him, at least game one. that says something, no?
The crowd pressure only affects Mew2King if they are directly jeering and insulting him. At Apex 2013, the crowd was wild and people were duel chanting M2K and Mango, but Jason took the set in the end.
But at KoC4, he played pretty poorly while the crowd chanted "7th place," "F you Jason," and even booing when switching to Marth against Fiction. Now Mango played on point this summer, and can convincingly beat Mew2King even with Fox.
*****
Not true, actually. On both accounts. Mew2king still had a jump and Mango was reading the recovery early, opting for option coverage. But Mew2king stalled his recovery and was able to make it back.
Mango ends up 3-0'ing M2k in set 2, winning the tournament, so it didn't really matter anyways.
kamajje He did jump after side B, why would he try to dair? why not just wait a bit to see what m2k was going to do and then press L, I don't think he could make it back without having to grab the edge at that point.
Edit. I retract what I've said about him, he didn't lose the tournament indeed, this was just set 1
***** Mew2king side-B's to gain some horizontal distance. At this point, M2k is at a height where if he up-B's he will grab the ledge. However, he is still able to land on stage if he jumps after the sideB and then upB's. As another option, M2k can wait a bit after his sideB, jump in the air, and instead just hang in the air for a second until he's at a height where he'll grab the ledge (this is what I was referring to when I said M2k was stalling his recovery), and then upB.
Mango drops off the ledge _really_ low, and then jumps and dairs. He jumps low enough so that his dair comes out later and so will linger at a height just above the stage. This covers two options: M2k sideB'ing, jumping left and then trying to recover onto the stage; the dair will catch M2k in that little time frame where Marth floats back onto the stage. The other option is M2k sideB's, floats down a bit more left, and then recovers right after jumping (without the little stall after the jump); the dair would have caught M2k in his Dolphin Slash.
Much of edgehogging Marth is not reacting to Dolphin Slash, it's knowing when they will Dolphin Slash. Many times when a Marth is knocked off stage, they are at a height and distance away to where the only way to recover is sideB _x_ amount of times, and then upB after that, and then grabbing the ledge. It's very telegraphed, and rolling on the ledge is the best way to edgehog him because you know that he _has_ to upB at a certain point, and no other. However, it's different in some cases when the Marth has different choices he can make to recover, like in this situation.
That's just my take on things lol. Looking at it again it wasn't as clear-cut as I originally thought it was and I just as well could be wrong.
kamajje Whoa dude, thanks for the explanation but I already knew all of that. Mango was past 100%, the climb animation lasts longer at that %, it is not that difficult to react to up B :s and even if you mess up a little bit, at that percent you will stay more time grabbing the edge invincible and it is likely that you'll get the edgehog anyway.
Mango vs M2k is the kind of smash battles make me more hype
That last stock, holy shit!
this would be so awkward playing in a big empty room like they had to do.
You could tell the commentators were mango fans they talked about him for most of the matches
That was the most hype yet not hype 4 stock I've ever seen. Where did everyone go?
they were past the allotted time for the venue so everyone had to leave and they were packing up. I think the cops got called too lol
i love it. they do the legal stage tour! battlefield, yoshis, fd, f of d, pkmn.
Can anyone explain to me what happened at this event and why it was cancelled/ were the police involved?
Why is no one watching
M2K is really a nice guy, and he's another dude entirely when the crowd isn't around, i was suprised when i found out he's a savant.
My favorite rivalry of all time! Thanks for splitting up the sets Gimr and thanks for all the hard work!
Was there anyone at the venue?
By 7:30 M2K looks like he's gonna just fall asleep...
I just realized that this video was uploaded on Fire Emblem's anniversary. Game one was fitting in that sense.
That set... what... Mew2King is officially too good.
***** Mew2good
+Toebex tfw ur favorite fingerboarder on youtube also likes melee :O
Holy shit that first game
Oh my god what a set! Legendary.
GOOD COMBOS. I LOVE THEM COMBOS
why is the room empty, and mango doesnt look right with that hair
this was at like 12:30 am they were supposed to be out of the venue by midnight so everyone else had left
***** ^^ and this was just the end of the melee tourney !!! ..... project m was suppose to happen after that. FP4 had almost a 50% greater turn out than FP3 #MELEEisGROWING
LieutKEPPAGE yeah i know lol, Im so excited for melee, i hope mlg or something picks it up again, how dope would that be
***** MLG DID PICK IT UP! Melee's gonna be at Anaheim this year!
WOO MoshJarcus
Yo.gotta give husband props on commentary. amazing commentator and historic smasher in his own right. Wife is amazing but together with husband, they are legendary.
What a wonderful final omg
wow absolutely no audience behind them
Watching Winner's Finals and Grand Finals back-to-back...the difference in both Mango's and M2K's play is incredible.
You could see where just a couple missed time ledge grabs costed Mango one of the games, where waiting a few frames are a lot of games in general.
WOW crazy hype on this match!
So I can't watch the 2nd set from my phone thay doesnt support annotations?
so what happened to losers finals?
mango getting 4 stocked in 48 seconds. Wow.
You don't get much rawer of a tipper fsmash than that
Yay Wife!
He went to flarida!?
Why is no one there ?!? I would have watched the whole thing no matter how late it was.
the Cops came causing every1 to leave because the venue was there to long
Silver Phoenix wow :o thats hard
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL AT THE FIRST GAME BEING 48 SECONDS LONG
Why is no one in there watching this?!
Was that faster than Axe's four stock against that Fox player?
I think this was 48 seconds? How fast was that 4 stock?
+Drue Kim it was around 58 seconds
This 4 stock was faster than Axe's on SilentWolf
IcyInferno11 Just isn't as hype since the matchup is in (Marths?) favour to begin with and it's with a top tier vs a top tier. Still a really hype moment though.
"sure."
Gimr, you are the best.
6:45 wife and husband praising mango like he's the messiah... *mango sd's twice*
Omgoodness, that ending. DUPED! Good job Calvin keeping it suspenseful and not giving away the ending. Please do this from now on.
Always liked ppmd more, but M2K has style and he is always very sportsmanlike.
I only have access to mobile, can someone please link me to set 2?
Wife and husband are the best commentators alive, they need to do more
nobody was excited about grand finals m2k and mango go m2k
Wow M2K and Mango look so.... OLD O.o
i was thinking the exact same thing.
How do I get to 2nd set im on mobile
4 stocked in one minute
48.21 four stock on mango... Come on man
sorry but can someone explain to me how the grand finals was right after winners?
Basically the way I remember it, the tournament ran late and they needed to leave as soon as possible (in fact, I remember watching this live and the last words spoken as the stream went down were gimr saying "aw come one officer!"). Anyway, they needed to leave and I guess duck was already aware that M2K would win their losers finals set anyway, so Duck forfeited so they wouldn't have to play a 20 minute sheik vs samus set.
Ah, okay makes sense. Thanks!
that was faster than axe
The m2k reads in game 5 were insane. triple forward smash, the counters, and the regular b in the air a little later. Mango doing some sick stuff too.
They played a second set after this one right?
Holy shit I wish I had known this was happening, I could have watched in person!
Shouldnt it be a audience?
That was so close I'm so glad mew2king won lol
7:04 M2K is L from death note!!!
Woah Wife still commentates? oh damn
Wow mango is a genius...... let's not bother to try to understand Mew2King lol 6:56 I think M2k deserves a little more credit
Where's the second set??
The cloud fight! Mango likes it tight.
"sure"
Why does Mango need to win two sets in order to win?
Who won? Isn't there supposed to be another set?
wheres the last set? after the reset
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dang, skinny mango could get it
Is there no set 2?
4/20 Mango
8:02
8:10
My aching heart DX(
Marty up be it too bard to edge guard... Just another reason I hate'em.
m2k > mango
Mew2king needs to be nerfed
There is no quicker insta-close than hearing a flamer on commentary.
Flarda
Ay ay ay ay ay
They look tired as shit
HOLYY SHIT