Hah! Incorrect. The first Metroidvania game was actually Pac Man because of the backtracking and visiting areas after upgrading your power pellets to be able to eat the ghosts.
I recently learned that Symphony of the Night was originally planned for the 32X. I can only imagine what could have been. Also, I forgot about that ear-splitting Marble Madness music. Ugh.
The Master System port of SoR2 was done by TecToy in Brazil and was a direct port of the Game Gear version. It wasn't designed from the ground up like SoR1 was specifically for the Master System by Sega. TecToy has tons of games that are horrible but the master system is still being made there and is the longest production record holder for any console to date.
Dorelaxen Sega had to port the games like Sonic Team did with the mega drive sonic games for Sonic Jam on the Sega Saturn. Dreamcast only has 16 mb of ram, and only a 200 mhz CPU, it very obvious that with those specs, the DC can't handle perfect Sega Mega Drive emulation with hardware of 1997/98.
Update: There is now a fan made update/patch for the Saturn Symphony of the Night that restores transparencies, fixes the aspect ratio issues, and dramatically improves the performance. It even uses the 4mb memory expansion cartridge to remove almost all of the loading. It's amazing what people have been able to do.
I had the Saturn import of SOTN as well, and personally i enjoyed it as an extension of the playstation version.. yes the extra loading, slowdowns, and bad graphics overall was a let down, but regardless of these issues, I liked that it was a more complete version of the PS1 version. Had extra items, extra secrets, and the extra areas.. some of these extra items and areas are present in the PS1 version but required hacking to access as they were incomplete, or removed for whatever reason from the US version (i.e. 2 extra familiars in saturn version, maria boss fight had Maria's theme music (Guardian), etc). Also the trap door and save area that leads to the extra underground garden area is present on the PS1 version if you get in there through hacking/glitching but dead ends with some glitched textures too at the save point, which points to that these levels were suppose to be in the PS1 version but weren't finished in time or cut out and the area's access blocked off. So it's nice to have them in the Saturn version, even if they seem odd or out of place due to the unique enemies and music these areas have.
Master System version of Golden Axe was completely programmed in background layers. Thus the choppiness and no sprite flicker, cause no sprites were used. They did the same with the MS port of Altered Beast.
How about Dragon's Lair arcade to NES and Space Ace arcade to SNES? Say what you like about the Jaguar CD, but that was the first time console gamers got a really good port of those two games. Other than the rooms being in the same order every time you play on Dragon's Lair, every single room was in the game and the graphics were almost identical to the quality of the arcade.
For the record, “OutRunners” is getting a (most likely) arcade-perfect port for the 3DS “3D Classics” line. Not sure if that's a consolation, but the port of “Thunder Blade” was, so...
I'll play Devil's Advocate and say I actually prefer the Saturn version of SotN. Why? Well, I'm getting kinda musty in the ol' attic upstairs, so the game slowing down to a crawl makes it A TON easier for me to react to what's going on. :p
"Four years later, Konami decided to port this title to the Game Boy Advance ..." surely a simple spoken typo, Contra 3's GBA port was more like 10 years later (as the title screens in this very video show). Great episode, loved the topic! :) A poor port that springs to mind is Hexen for PS1. Really not a recommended means by which to play that game and one of the roughest FPSs on the console, IMO.
Yes early Christmas gift! I'm actually working a double right now from 3pm-7am and this is literally the best surprise right now. Thank you Joe and Dave for a great year of videos and I hope you guys keep it up in 2017, after a vacation in which you guys well deserve!
the most disappointment i had with a port is sega touring cars on the Sega Saturn, after Daytona, Sega rally and Manx TT i wasnt expecting anything else but more of the same of sega's classic arcade action..... oh what a let down! Apart from what's wrong with the port, i have to ask, why didn't they get the actually nuts and bolts of the game working properly before they added all the Easter eggs? so many of them but on a game that's not really worth playing! I don't get the logic behind it!
The piss poor skit at the end was classic. You guys are like a middle-aged Scott the Woz (or rather he's a zoomer version of you dudes), and I mean that as a compliment. Your videos have gotten me through a lot of long days recently. Much thanks!
A piss poor port that comes to mind for me right away is the GameCube version of Megaman Anniversary Collection compared to the PS1 Rockman Complete Works. The port manages to: 1. fuck up the controls 2. be missing a TON of features, especially the remixed sound options and bonus unlockables 3. have the 8-bit chiptunes ON AN MP3 LOOP rather than be properly programmed to auto-loop. This means the tracks eventually fade out, and repeat. WTF?! 4. It's poorly translated. 5. Contains Megaman 8, but has HEAVILY compressed FMVs and the music tracks are cut so they are all shorter and sound inferior. 6. It runs in 480i only. The PS2 and Xbox versions of Anniversary Collection don't fair much better either, but both of them don't have quite as many flaws.
Realizing how dangerous posting this is (on the level of defending a "George Lucas Revision" when it shouldn't)... 1. Oh come on! The button swap isn't THAT bad, especially if you've never played Mega Man (much/at all) before and don't take long to get used to. Not like there's any lag or anything. 2. "Missing sound options and remixes". That sounds minimalist at best. 3. Again, I can easily overlook this. 4. If by translated, you mean from Japanese to English. Eh... no comment. If by translated from originals, again, going to agree to disagree. 5. That is the fault of the GameCube disc I'm afraid. 6. Again, a fault of the GameCube, so by that logic, every GameCube game should suck (even "superior" versions of games like RE4 and Twilight Princess)
1. What you're missing is that Anniversary Collection, like all game complications, is primarily aimed at prexisting fans who own at least one game in the series already. Therefore, those are the _first_ people to notice controls. It's true to say that if you are new you can easily adapt, but the anniversary in anniversary collection was the 20th. That means 20 years of people playing with B = shoot, A = jump. It is unforgivable for them to get that wrong. 2. No. It's not minimalist. The arranged soundtracks were one of the key draws. Otherwise, you might as well play the originals. The whole point of the Rockman Complete Works was to offer little extras to make them the definitive versions of the classic games. Without them, it's just a shotty port. 3. It's a sign of laziness. A symptom of the whole project. 4. As is, from Rockman Complete Works to Megaman Anniversary Collection. Their translation work was awful, with grammar mistakes and incorrect translations. Apparently translated by babelfish.com and not a real person who knows both languages. It's garbage. 5. Which is why they shouldn't have put it all on ONE GameCube disc! Other games split across two, even other Capcom games. It was a bad call to compress everything down to a single disc. 6. No it isn't. The GameCube was fully capable of progressive scan. Atomic Planet just didn't bother. Then again, the PS2 version also only runs in interlaced mode which is even more unforgivable given that the PS2 version is literally based on the PS1 source code just ported over and that version ran progressive scan. Atomic Planet just did a piss poor job with Anniversary Collection all around. interlaced video is always inferior. It's true to say the GameCube library didn't suffer from 480i only mode quite as badly as the PS2, but all of the sixth gen consoles were capable of 480p and it was only devs on Xbox that systematically used it.
Except you don't get MM7, 8 or the Arcade games. I'll take my GameCube collection, thanks. And yes, the button swap is pretty dumb, but it's not as bad for Classic Mega Man as it would be for X (which they did actually fix for X Collection...though you can already swap buttons in every X game anyway)
Starcraft 64 could be argued as a "shitty port" - although they did wonders in making a true RTS game playable on console, the massive amounts of compression on cutscenes, more repetitive dialogue from units, and generally just bad sound and video quality/resolution overall make it the vastly inferior way to play the game, even if you ignore controls.
Not really a mad idea. All of the OG Command & Conquer games came out on the PSOne and a few made their way to the Saturn. Command & Conquer had polygon based graphics at a time when that was rare even on the PC. To my knowledge, the N64 port of Starcraft was really well received at the time.
The Playstation also go an awful port of Diablo. Blizzard was really trying to take their PC success and translate it to consoles where the real money was. It wasn't until WOW that Blizzard started making the real money they deserve. The PC user base just wasn't big enough at the time.
J.P. Czerniak It's like other ports mentioned in this video. Sure, there may be some impressive achievement to it, but it doesn't change that it is objectively, by far, the worst version of the game.
The reason Symphony of the Night is worse on Saturn is because it isn't actually a 2D game. The game is made of images of sprites on top of polygons viewed from the side, and the Saturn isn't as good at polygons as the PlayStation.
An now I get it, me not being the biggest fan of side scrolling beat'm ups stems from the fact that I was for the most part exposed to the piss poor ports instead of the more capable ports. Although quite few of the gripes to be had with the lesser ports hold true for the gameplay on the better ports as well for me.
What's funny is the N64 version of THPS2 has way bigger multiplayer levels, like the size of the single player levels, whereas the ps1 version had heavily shortened levels multiplayer wise.
one of the worst "ports" that I know of is the original Genesis Sonic games poorly converted and optimized to PAL mega drive, causing Sonic to be drastically slower and not showing off the true blast processing
It's not the games fault, its the Saturns hardware. I bought the Saturn port of Castlevania SOTN and played it on my computer using Yabause emulator and it played just as good as the Play Station version. I didn't even need to tweak the settings of the emulator.
sometimes the emulators default settings will be set to run games better than they ever did on the actual system. So that could mean the port was tweaked badly so that it was not optimally compatible for the system it was suppose to run on .
Don't forget to add the VS capcom games on the PSone, like xmen vs street fighter and marvel vs capcom. As a piss poor ports it lack frames from the arcade and most importantly the tag feature. The Sega Saturn ports were far superior. Idk why these Psone ports were ever released, when they're not even close to the arcade.
I do baseball! And I would also like to thank you guys for an early Christmas gift. Speaking of which, time to fire up ye 'ol Saturn for some Christmas Nights....
I'm a new fan and, good job, you hooked me. I just went through the whole Game Sack playlist from oldest to newest in order. Of course, I have seen all these episodes before separately but I decided to just go through them in order so I could see them again. Now what am I suppose to do? I guess I'll just go through them again but honestly you guys could never make new episodes fast enough for me.
Speaking of piss poor ports of Jet Grind Radio. The Steam release was a disaster. It's not the somewhat shoddy textures and strange way they implemented cell shading nor the clunky controls that was the problem... it was the fact that you couldn't save the game. This was due to a spelling error in the .ini file where they wrote 'save' instead of 'SAVE.' Yup, just needed to be in all caps to work. They never patched this. Best anyone who bought the game could do was follow online tutorials on how to manually patch their own game. Hence, the leader boards are barren. And despite the underground clamor for wanting new JGR games, no one talks about the steam version.
What are you talking about? I was just playing the game, directly from Steam, the other day. Save support works and the graphics look amazing and it has native ultra widescreen support.
A Blob yes i will be buy a dreamcast. For me is the best console of all time. Emulators sucks just is not the same experience like you are playing on real console.
Matias Carp16 Yeah, but I mean playing it on the go. Having Jet Set Radio on a handheld. Playing it in the car and stuff. The PlayStation Vita has a port of Jet Set Radio so... the Vita port easily beats the GBA port.
"I'll tell you what I think of it... it's piss poor!" also that was a fairly weak stream Dave, I'm concerned. Might have to get a checkup for that, just in case.
Great vid. Love the passion and attention to detail. I can tell you guys really love games. Glad to see you haven't lost that passion as you've grown older.
Sad you guys feel sorry for me for buying tony hawk on 64... At least I paid like 20 dollars in quarters for it at toys r us. Almost bought the gameboy version too.
I enjoyed Tony Hawk 64 despite missing FMVs. Back then, the only difference I knew about between PS1 and N64 was blood. The really annoying part about THPS N64 was having no memory ca- I mean, pak. So unless you could beat everything in one go, you were stuck at the beginning.
True, but with some N64 games you could save to the cart. So when we got a game that needed the memory card, it was a surprise rather than the expected norm. I guess the problem wasn't really the game itself lol.
Me and Hybrid Heaven in a nutshell. By the time I was old enough to look for used Controller Paks online, my cart started freezing up on test runs very early in the game, so what's the point? Also, I was excited to finally own Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon and...I need a Pak for that too. COME ON MAN.
I'm not defending Streets of Rage 2 on the Master System, but the reason the sprites are so small is because it was originally developed as a GameGear game, and they scaled it down for the screen size, and when played on the GameGear the sprites don't look as bad(I had both Streets of Rage 1 and 2 on the Game Gear as a kid), no it's not a great game but it's playable at least. Far as Outrunners on the Genesis I thought it was fun enough as I rented it a few times from my local mom and pop place back in the day, and had never seen the arcade version to compare it too. Anyways have a great Christmas guys. :-)
Gotta go with SEGA Smashpack vol. 1 on the Dreamcast.... you'd think emulating Genesis games on a Dreamcast would be a nobrainer? I still cannot fathom how they messed up the sound, practically ruined Yuzo Koshiro's great soundtrack in Streets of Rage II. :(
The problem with your argument about the Saturn Castlevania is that on an old CRT television, you can't tell the difference between transparency and mesh and the jagged textures are only just barely discernible. It is only when playing on an LCD that these issues become a noticeable eye sore.
the Saturn version was handled by KCEN, while the PSX version was handled by KCET. KCET was the much more experienced team. Still despite the ugly graphics, I prefer the Saturn version. So much more to explore.
bvzxa3 Incorrect. The Saturn version of SotN was actually programmed singlehandedly by my dad. Other games programmed by my dad include, but are not limited to: Battle Monsters - Saturn Shadow Blasters - Genesis Ultraman - Super NES Super Bunghole - Jaguar Mr. Mario Man - PS4 Computer Jones - PC
@singularon1 i mean one of then said that thps5 isn't bad I really like their channel because of the game commentary on games and ports few people care about buy they really suck at reviewing
I actually do own "Jet Grind Radio" for the GBA. Bought it as a part of bundle, with like 10 more games. Tried it once, never gonna go back to it again...
thanks for the new episode guys! I loved listening to you complain for half an hour. I hope you have a merry holiday! and I also hope the guy who does ups isn't getting his ass kicked from holidays. :)
Here's a port that comes to mind: *Street Fighter Alpha 3 for GBA*. Sure it had extra characters, but... the 4 button scheme was REALLY problematic. You need 6 buttons for SF; the GBA had 4 (2 face and 2 shoulder buttons). The Light attacks were mapped on L and R, the Heavy attacks were mapped on A and B and the Medium attacks were mapped to L+B and R+A combinations... ouch...
When I think abt Piss Poor Ports, I think abt Sonic Genesis on GBA, PS1 port of Duke Nukem 3D and ... ehem, Bayonetta on PS3. Good job on this episode and happy X'mas!
Definitely agree on Symphony of the Night. Something interesting you guys may not have known: There was a later PSP version of the game as well (tucked away as a secret in The Dracula X Chronicles) that maintains not only the good looks of the Playstation version, but also improves the game (no more slowdowns!), adds some of the Saturn version's content (such as the ability to play as Maria), and then throws in a better translation and dub on top of that (though you can also play the Japanese voices with the translation). It also bases it off the Japanese versions, so the "extra" familiars that weren't in the US PS1 version are now in there. In fact, the only thing missing are those Saturn-only exclusive areas...
I think the worst port I played would be Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis on the GBA. Ever wanted to play Sonic 1 with a spindash......but with broken controls, awful sound, some minor details turning out wrong (e.g. the spring's shine spot), screen crunch, annoying glitches and a framerate of "Potato" FPS? Well apparently Sonic Team thought it was a good port and released it for the 15th Anniversary anyway. I guess getting DIMPS to port Sonic 1 was out of the question as the GBA port was done on the engine used for Sonic Advance 1 which is a lot better than this port.
And then some guy online took the time to make a Sonic 1 GBA rom hack that works. *And he was hired by Sega to help with Sonic Mania years later.* That always cracks me up.
UltimaKeyMaster He also made the mobile remakes of Sonic 1, 2 & CD for SEGA as well. The last of which also got released on PS3,Xbox 360, & Steam. The last of which is the version I own.
sans: one step closer and you're gonna have a bad time frisk: *steps closer* sans: you asked for it *takes out a tv, pc engine and golden axe* also, are the ads fucked now? the one i got wasn't even english
Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor on PS3. Wanna play a game where you have to wait for the game to load every time you transition to a menu screen and back? How about playing on a constant 15 fps and below? And let's not forget that the sound gets choppy at times to the point where you think that the game might crash. That's the experience that you're going to get if you play Shadow of Mordor on PS3
EA did a terrible job of Marble Madness on Genesis. Atari's division, Tengen did a much better job, but was only available in Japan! Why couldn't they have that version here? Also, that version let you use a trackball for an arcade perfect experience! Oh well. Off to play more Tony Hawk! 🎵So here I am, doing everything I can, holdin on to what I am, pretending I'm a Superman~🎵
In some cases, I actually preferred that some of the songs were instrumental, especially with Jerry was a Racecar Driver. That song has unique and interesting instruments but terrible, uninspired lyrics and singing.
Jet Set Radio is definitely one of those games I'd wish Sega would make more of!
I grew up with the N64 Tony Hawk games. I'd usually play them muted and rock my own music on my tape deck.
That chick from Golden Axe does have a nice "back story"
callmemarc There's a crack in that story, butt all together, it's still pretty tight.
Damn it was about to comment: 12:18 Dat backstory. But this is top comment. Well done sir.
Slyguy threeonetwonine Men. Lmiao. Wow.
ba dum tiss
shes also got nice milk bottles
Dang, you know a game is bad when you can't do baseball.
Hey, That’s a Baseball!
Gotta love the 2am binge of a new gamesack episode.
0:50 - Actually, Castlevania II is the first Metroidvania Castlevania game, 10 years before SotN.
Hah! Incorrect. The first Metroidvania game was actually Pac Man because of the backtracking and visiting areas after upgrading your power pellets to be able to eat the ghosts.
I recently learned that Symphony of the Night was originally planned for the 32X. I can only imagine what could have been.
Also, I forgot about that ear-splitting Marble Madness music. Ugh.
Merry Christmas Fellas! Thanks for the Early gift!
Merry Christmas!
This topic deserves to be a series :P
The Master System port of SoR2 was done by TecToy in Brazil and was a direct port of the Game Gear version. It wasn't designed from the ground up like SoR1 was specifically for the Master System by Sega. TecToy has tons of games that are horrible but the master system is still being made there and is the longest production record holder for any console to date.
These videos are always Quality.
Sega Smash Pack on the Dreamcast. The emulation is completely off. I returned it literally 20 minutes after getting it and trying out Phantasy Star 2.
The music will make your ears bleed in that game.
Dorelaxen Sega had to port the games like Sonic Team did with the mega drive sonic games for Sonic Jam on the Sega Saturn. Dreamcast only has 16 mb of ram, and only a 200 mhz CPU, it very obvious that with those specs, the DC can't handle perfect Sega Mega Drive emulation with hardware of 1997/98.
Dorelaxen and Virtua Cop 2 is only another shitty port with Windows CE (known as the DC performance drop on many games).
Getting a new episode on Christmas Eve is a nice present! Thanks guys and Merry Christmas!
dreamcast version of tony hawk is best version
best framerate
It may be the best version of the game but it's still just a sloppy port of the PlayStation game, locked at 30fps.
Got to play with my sack on Christmas morning now thanks Game Sack!
Update: There is now a fan made update/patch for the Saturn Symphony of the Night that restores transparencies, fixes the aspect ratio issues, and dramatically improves the performance. It even uses the 4mb memory expansion cartridge to remove almost all of the loading. It's amazing what people have been able to do.
Yes
I had the Saturn import of SOTN as well, and personally i enjoyed it as an extension of the playstation version.. yes the extra loading, slowdowns, and bad graphics overall was a let down, but regardless of these issues, I liked that it was a more complete version of the PS1 version. Had extra items, extra secrets, and the extra areas.. some of these extra items and areas are present in the PS1 version but required hacking to access as they were incomplete, or removed for whatever reason from the US version (i.e. 2 extra familiars in saturn version, maria boss fight had Maria's theme music (Guardian), etc). Also the trap door and save area that leads to the extra underground garden area is present on the PS1 version if you get in there through hacking/glitching but dead ends with some glitched textures too at the save point, which points to that these levels were suppose to be in the PS1 version but weren't finished in time or cut out and the area's access blocked off. So it's nice to have them in the Saturn version, even if they seem odd or out of place due to the unique enemies and music these areas have.
Master System version of Golden Axe was completely programmed in background layers. Thus the choppiness and no sprite flicker, cause no sprites were used. They did the same with the MS port of Altered Beast.
I quit my music career just to watch Game Sack. 😜
Merry Christmas guys. Much love to the Sacks. See you next year. ❤
Amber Short i love you
Amber Short you don't have a music job
Really Adam just because you say? Ok. Then I'm going to say that you don't have a clue.
Merry Christmas Amber! Hope Santa brings you great things.
Game Sack? more like you're sacked xD
How about Dragon's Lair arcade to NES and Space Ace arcade to SNES? Say what you like about the Jaguar CD, but that was the first time console gamers got a really good port of those two games. Other than the rooms being in the same order every time you play on Dragon's Lair, every single room was in the game and the graphics were almost identical to the quality of the arcade.
For the record, “OutRunners” is getting a (most likely) arcade-perfect port for the 3DS “3D Classics” line. Not sure if that's a consolation, but the port of “Thunder Blade” was, so...
I wish they'd port to consoles and not portables. I wanna play them on my TV!
Game Sack Fair enough.
I'll play Devil's Advocate and say I actually prefer the Saturn version of SotN. Why? Well, I'm getting kinda musty in the ol' attic upstairs, so the game slowing down to a crawl makes it A TON easier for me to react to what's going on. :p
"Four years later, Konami decided to port this title to the Game Boy Advance ..." surely a simple spoken typo, Contra 3's GBA port was more like 10 years later (as the title screens in this very video show). Great episode, loved the topic! :)
A poor port that springs to mind is Hexen for PS1. Really not a recommended means by which to play that game and one of the roughest FPSs on the console, IMO.
I'm surprised neither of us caught that. Oops!
The original GameBoy port came 4 years later while the GBA port was 10 years later. You must have mixed that up when researching/writing the script.
That Golden Axe footage was beautiful, great capture, as always!
Golden Axe is one of my all time favorite arcade games.
N64 versions of Toy Story 2 and A Bug's Life are also nerfed compared to Playstation
Yes early Christmas gift! I'm actually working a double right now from 3pm-7am and this is literally the best surprise right now. Thank you Joe and Dave for a great year of videos and I hope you guys keep it up in 2017, after a vacation in which you guys well deserve!
the most disappointment i had with a port is sega touring cars on the Sega Saturn, after Daytona, Sega rally and Manx TT i wasnt expecting anything else but more of the same of sega's classic arcade action..... oh what a let down! Apart from what's wrong with the port, i have to ask, why didn't they get the actually nuts and bolts of the game working properly before they added all the Easter eggs? so many of them but on a game that's not really worth playing! I don't get the logic behind it!
Merry Christmas... from the bottom of my sack LOL
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas to you too Dave! you're funny as hell. I love Game Sack lol. Merry Christmas to you as well, Joe!
This episode is so like "Boo".
Boo! Haunted House!
Streets of Rage reference?
The piss poor skit at the end was classic.
You guys are like a middle-aged Scott the Woz (or rather he's a zoomer version of you dudes), and I mean that as a compliment.
Your videos have gotten me through a lot of long days recently. Much thanks!
A piss poor port that comes to mind for me right away is the GameCube version of Megaman Anniversary Collection compared to the PS1 Rockman Complete Works. The port manages to:
1. fuck up the controls
2. be missing a TON of features, especially the remixed sound options and bonus unlockables
3. have the 8-bit chiptunes ON AN MP3 LOOP rather than be properly programmed to auto-loop. This means the tracks eventually fade out, and repeat. WTF?!
4. It's poorly translated.
5. Contains Megaman 8, but has HEAVILY compressed FMVs and the music tracks are cut so they are all shorter and sound inferior.
6. It runs in 480i only.
The PS2 and Xbox versions of Anniversary Collection don't fair much better either, but both of them don't have quite as many flaws.
I agree!!
The Legacy Collection on 3DS does everything right that Anniversary got wrong! Much better compilation! Get that, instead.
Realizing how dangerous posting this is (on the level of defending a "George Lucas Revision" when it shouldn't)...
1. Oh come on! The button swap isn't THAT bad, especially if you've never played Mega Man (much/at all) before and don't take long to get used to. Not like there's any lag or anything.
2. "Missing sound options and remixes". That sounds minimalist at best.
3. Again, I can easily overlook this.
4. If by translated, you mean from Japanese to English. Eh... no comment. If by translated from originals, again, going to agree to disagree.
5. That is the fault of the GameCube disc I'm afraid.
6. Again, a fault of the GameCube, so by that logic, every GameCube game should suck (even "superior" versions of games like RE4 and Twilight Princess)
1. What you're missing is that Anniversary Collection, like all game complications, is primarily aimed at prexisting fans who own at least one game in the series already. Therefore, those are the _first_ people to notice controls. It's true to say that if you are new you can easily adapt, but the anniversary in anniversary collection was the 20th. That means 20 years of people playing with B = shoot, A = jump. It is unforgivable for them to get that wrong.
2. No. It's not minimalist. The arranged soundtracks were one of the key draws. Otherwise, you might as well play the originals. The whole point of the Rockman Complete Works was to offer little extras to make them the definitive versions of the classic games. Without them, it's just a shotty port.
3. It's a sign of laziness. A symptom of the whole project.
4. As is, from Rockman Complete Works to Megaman Anniversary Collection. Their translation work was awful, with grammar mistakes and incorrect translations. Apparently translated by babelfish.com and not a real person who knows both languages. It's garbage.
5. Which is why they shouldn't have put it all on ONE GameCube disc! Other games split across two, even other Capcom games. It was a bad call to compress everything down to a single disc.
6. No it isn't. The GameCube was fully capable of progressive scan. Atomic Planet just didn't bother. Then again, the PS2 version also only runs in interlaced mode which is even more unforgivable given that the PS2 version is literally based on the PS1 source code just ported over and that version ran progressive scan. Atomic Planet just did a piss poor job with Anniversary Collection all around.
interlaced video is always inferior. It's true to say the GameCube library didn't suffer from 480i only mode quite as badly as the PS2, but all of the sixth gen consoles were capable of 480p and it was only devs on Xbox that systematically used it.
Except you don't get MM7, 8 or the Arcade games. I'll take my GameCube collection, thanks. And yes, the button swap is pretty dumb, but it's not as bad for Classic Mega Man as it would be for X (which they did actually fix for X Collection...though you can already swap buttons in every X game anyway)
I can't wait for the next game sack episode, because I LOVE watching this kind of stuff!
Starcraft 64 could be argued as a "shitty port" - although they did wonders in making a true RTS game playable on console, the massive amounts of compression on cutscenes, more repetitive dialogue from units, and generally just bad sound and video quality/resolution overall make it the vastly inferior way to play the game, even if you ignore controls.
Not really a mad idea.
All of the OG Command & Conquer games came out on the PSOne and a few made their way to the Saturn. Command & Conquer had polygon based graphics at a time when that was rare even on the PC.
To my knowledge, the N64 port of Starcraft was really well received at the time.
The Playstation also go an awful port of Diablo.
Blizzard was really trying to take their PC success and translate it to consoles where the real money was. It wasn't until WOW that Blizzard started making the real money they deserve. The PC user base just wasn't big enough at the time.
Sato I would argue that Starcraft 64 is an amazing port given that they got it to work very well with the limitations they had.
I love the Ps1 port of Diablo, Becuase they dubbed it to Swedish over here. Sound so insanely corny!
J.P. Czerniak
It's like other ports mentioned in this video. Sure, there may be some impressive achievement to it, but it doesn't change that it is objectively, by far, the worst version of the game.
Surprised you didn't mention the Mega Man Anniversary collection on Gamecube - the one that swapped the A and B buttons.
Merry Christmas Game Sack!
Merry Christmas!
The reason Symphony of the Night is worse on Saturn is because it isn't actually a 2D game. The game is made of images of sprites on top of polygons viewed from the side, and the Saturn isn't as good at polygons as the PlayStation.
Merry Christmas, Joe & Dave!
Merry Christmas!
An now I get it, me not being the biggest fan of side scrolling beat'm ups stems from the fact that I was for the most part exposed to the piss poor ports instead of the more capable ports. Although quite few of the gripes to be had with the lesser ports hold true for the gameplay on the better ports as well for me.
You guys always have the best shirts.
garou1911 I always have the best shits
The 3P! Piss Poor Ports.
Also Contra 3 was one of my favorites because of how its difficulty setting changes the bosses mechanics.
What's funny is the N64 version of THPS2 has way bigger multiplayer levels, like the size of the single player levels, whereas the ps1 version had heavily shortened levels multiplayer wise.
Why would you play it on either system when the vastly superior Dreamcast version is available?
Because control pad
one of the worst "ports" that I know of is the original Genesis Sonic games poorly converted and optimized to PAL mega drive, causing Sonic to be drastically slower and not showing off the true blast processing
No need Dave, Jet Set Radio is on the Vita in full cel-shaded glory.
And mobile, I spose.
NickBLeaveIt Wait, it's on the Vita? Thanks for telling me! :D I've been looking for a version of that game to play on the go
US Gold were the bane of my existence as a Amiga owner back in the day. so many bad ports
It's not the games fault, its the Saturns hardware. I bought the Saturn port of Castlevania SOTN and played it on my computer using Yabause emulator and it played just as good as the Play Station version. I didn't even need to tweak the settings of the emulator.
Then that emulator is flawed.
Game Sack How is the emulator flawed if it runs the game better then the system its emulating?
It's not running it accurately to system specs; it should be emulating any slowdown.
sometimes the emulators default settings will be set to run games better than they ever did on the actual system. So that could mean the port was tweaked badly so that it was not optimally compatible for the system it was suppose to run on .
True, but that makes it sound like the game was to advanced for the system and you need an emulator to play it as intended.
Hey Gamesack! You guys should do an episode on ROM hacks and Create your own type games! Big fan and Happy Holidays!
Don't forget to add the VS capcom games on the PSone, like xmen vs street fighter and marvel vs capcom. As a piss poor ports it lack frames from the arcade and most importantly the tag feature. The Sega Saturn ports were far superior. Idk why these Psone ports were ever released, when they're not even close to the arcade.
I do baseball! And I would also like to thank you guys for an early Christmas gift. Speaking of which, time to fire up ye 'ol Saturn for some Christmas Nights....
Yeah Christmas Nights. Good idea!
I'm a new fan and, good job, you hooked me. I just went through the whole Game Sack playlist from oldest to newest in order. Of course, I have seen all these episodes before separately but I decided to just go through them in order so I could see them again. Now what am I suppose to do? I guess I'll just go through them again but honestly you guys could never make new episodes fast enough for me.
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youtube: new gamesack bitch
me: thaaaaaaaaank yeeeeeeeeew!
santa: bitch thats your gift.
funny!!
Speaking of piss poor ports of Jet Grind Radio. The Steam release was a disaster. It's not the somewhat shoddy textures and strange way they implemented cell shading nor the clunky controls that was the problem... it was the fact that you couldn't save the game.
This was due to a spelling error in the .ini file where they wrote 'save' instead of 'SAVE.' Yup, just needed to be in all caps to work. They never patched this.
Best anyone who bought the game could do was follow online tutorials on how to manually patch their own game. Hence, the leader boards are barren. And despite the underground clamor for wanting new JGR games, no one talks about the steam version.
What are you talking about? I was just playing the game, directly from Steam, the other day. Save support works and the graphics look amazing and it has native ultra widescreen support.
If you want to play Jet Grind/Set Radio on the go then just play the Vita version.
A Blob or the original dreamcast version :)
Matias Carp16 You can take the Dreamcast on the go? Emulators don't count. .3.
A Blob yes i will be buy a dreamcast. For me is the best console of all time. Emulators sucks just is not the same experience like you are playing on real console.
A Blob sorry for mi bad english i'm argentinian
Matias Carp16 Yeah, but I mean playing it on the go. Having Jet Set Radio on a handheld. Playing it in the car and stuff.
The PlayStation Vita has a port of Jet Set Radio so... the Vita port easily beats the GBA port.
I love the cheesey skits at the end! Merry Christmas, guys.
"I'll tell you what I think of it... it's piss poor!" also that was a fairly weak stream Dave, I'm concerned. Might have to get a checkup for that, just in case.
Great vid. Love the passion and attention to detail. I can tell you guys really love games. Glad to see you haven't lost that passion as you've grown older.
Skatin' to "Police Truck". That's priceless, dude. 👍
Sad you guys feel sorry for me for buying tony hawk on 64... At least I paid like 20 dollars in quarters for it at toys r us. Almost bought the gameboy version too.
who the fuck gives game sack a thumbs down? why even?
I do, because Out Run for Sega Mega Drive is cool!
Merry Christmas guys, thanks for the early upload! Enjoy the holidays with your families!
The Master System version of Streets of Rage II *looks* like it might of meant to be for the Game Gear.
More like the Atari 5200.
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if you are reading this comment I wish you merry christmas and happy new year. 😃
I am reading this comment and Thank You! A Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well.
A Game Sack on Friday?! What is this beautiful sorcery?!
Piss Poor Ports for a Sad Sack O' Shit like me . . . thanks for the Christmas present, Game Sack!
Wow, Dave is really hydrated it appears.
Contra 3 on the GBA was 10 years later, not 4 years.
I should write Dave's script for him........
Nukleon Unless he's talking about the 1998 Game Boy port, which actually came out in 1994.
I loved the overhead stages in Contra III as well Dave.
I enjoyed Tony Hawk 64 despite missing FMVs. Back then, the only difference I knew about between PS1 and N64 was blood. The really annoying part about THPS N64 was having no memory ca- I mean, pak. So unless you could beat everything in one go, you were stuck at the beginning.
The PS1 had a memory card.......
True, but with some N64 games you could save to the cart. So when we got a game that needed the memory card, it was a surprise rather than the expected norm. I guess the problem wasn't really the game itself lol.
Me and Hybrid Heaven in a nutshell. By the time I was old enough to look for used Controller Paks online, my cart started freezing up on test runs very early in the game, so what's the point?
Also, I was excited to finally own Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon and...I need a Pak for that too. COME ON MAN.
I'm not defending Streets of Rage 2 on the Master System, but the reason the sprites are so small is because it was originally developed as a GameGear game, and they scaled it down for the screen size, and when played on the GameGear the sprites don't look as bad(I had both Streets of Rage 1 and 2 on the Game Gear as a kid), no it's not a great game but it's playable at least.
Far as Outrunners on the Genesis I thought it was fun enough as I rented it a few times from my local mom and pop place back in the day, and had never seen the arcade version to compare it too.
Anyways have a great Christmas guys. :-)
Gotta go with SEGA Smashpack vol. 1 on the Dreamcast.... you'd think emulating Genesis games on a Dreamcast would be a nobrainer? I still cannot fathom how they messed up the sound, practically ruined Yuzo Koshiro's great soundtrack in Streets of Rage II. :(
Thank you for all the high quality, entertaining content.
Dear Game Sack,
Have a merry Christmas, a happy chanukah, a crazy Kwanzaa, a tip top Tet and solemn and dignified Ramadan.
Same to you and a Very Happy Festivus!
Stringer Bell It's not Ramadan, dude. Moon calendar or something, don't lose sleep over it.
Feats of strength! Feats of Strength!
The problem with your argument about the Saturn Castlevania is that on an old CRT television, you can't tell the difference between transparency and mesh and the jagged textures are only just barely discernible. It is only when playing on an LCD that these issues become a noticeable eye sore.
Oh, you want piss poor ports? Try Re-Volt on Playstation.
What's more happy to see Gamesack video on merry xmas day!
the Saturn version was handled by KCEN, while the PSX version was handled by KCET. KCET was the much more experienced team. Still despite the ugly graphics, I prefer the Saturn version. So much more to explore.
Yes I mentioned that.
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Incorrect. The Saturn version of SotN was actually programmed singlehandedly by my dad.
Other games programmed by my dad include, but are not limited to:
Battle Monsters - Saturn
Shadow Blasters - Genesis
Ultraman - Super NES
Super Bunghole - Jaguar
Mr. Mario Man - PS4
Computer Jones - PC
Dave Bladegun it's possible lol!!
Merry Christmas guys! Thanks for the great content over the year. It's amongst the best on TH-cam. Have a safe and happy Christmas
Added one minute ago! Can't believe I'm late 😭
Merry Christmas!
with the exception of the dithered sprites, I happen to like both versions of Castlevania SotN.
jgfjgfify of course, everyone has their preferences.
Trevgauntlet It looks painful, honestly. Is like the slow motion version of Sotn.
DEADPOOL9AND I know it is, but it feels more complete imo. Don't worry, I like the PSX version too.
Silent Hill HD Collection.
Oh wait...
no no.... that's fair.
It's basically the Exodus the Destroyer of piss poor ports. Game over.
@singularon1 i mean one of then said that thps5 isn't bad
I really like their channel because of the game commentary on games and ports few people care about buy they really suck at reviewing
I actually do own "Jet Grind Radio" for the GBA. Bought it as a part of bundle, with like 10 more games. Tried it once, never gonna go back to it again...
15:34 "Four years later..." should be "Ten years later..."
thanks for the new episode guys! I loved listening to you complain for half an hour. I hope you have a merry holiday! and I also hope the guy who does ups isn't getting his ass kicked from holidays. :)
My recommendation, PLAY TONY HAWK PRO SKATER ON DREAMCAST the PlayStation & N64 ports both suck.
That was the second game. The first game wasn't on the DC was it??
Yeah it was.
PATRiCKFBi MetalHead
Yeah looks like it was. I never paid much attention as I considered it a sports game.
they were both on the dreamcast.
Yup THPS1 got the Dreamcast touches same chit regional nonsense , PAL version gets all the tunes lol
Here's a port that comes to mind: *Street Fighter Alpha 3 for GBA*. Sure it had extra characters, but... the 4 button scheme was REALLY problematic. You need 6 buttons for SF; the GBA had 4 (2 face and 2 shoulder buttons). The Light attacks were mapped on L and R, the Heavy attacks were mapped on A and B and the Medium attacks were mapped to L+B and R+A combinations... ouch...
Yeah, one last for the old sack this year. It's festivus miracle!
Next is the feats of strength!
This video was an entertaining airing of grievances on these awful ports. Good episode. Merry Christmas!
Back from Christmas and a new Sack to enjoy. Yes!! ;)
Next episode ought to be: Piss Easy Games!
Merry Christmas you guys I hope you all have a great one!!!
When I think abt Piss Poor Ports, I think abt Sonic Genesis on GBA, PS1 port of Duke Nukem 3D and ... ehem, Bayonetta on PS3. Good job on this episode and happy X'mas!
I haven't tried Sonic 1 on the GBA yet. Now you've got me curious!
dont go there... srsly...
Merry Christmas btw guys :)
PS1 Duke 3D is not as bad as Saturn Duke 3D though.
As Yoshi's Island told me in door 3 of 6-8...
RUN,
RUN AWAY!
Justin Nielsen lol I got the Saturn one and I try to sell it on eBay 3 times with a buy now of 4 pound n still couldn't sell it lol
Definitely agree on Symphony of the Night.
Something interesting you guys may not have known: There was a later PSP version of the game as well (tucked away as a secret in The Dracula X Chronicles) that maintains not only the good looks of the Playstation version, but also improves the game (no more slowdowns!), adds some of the Saturn version's content (such as the ability to play as Maria), and then throws in a better translation and dub on top of that (though you can also play the Japanese voices with the translation). It also bases it off the Japanese versions, so the "extra" familiars that weren't in the US PS1 version are now in there.
In fact, the only thing missing are those Saturn-only exclusive areas...
Don't piss in my port, or urine for trouble!
Lolz...
Great way to start my morning with coffee before work. Thanks
Streets of rage is the best beat em up and that is a fact
Streets of rage 2*
a new gamesack for Christmas! thanks guys. Merry Christams
I think the worst port I played would be Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis on the GBA. Ever wanted to play Sonic 1 with a spindash......but with broken controls, awful sound, some minor details turning out wrong (e.g. the spring's shine spot), screen crunch, annoying glitches and a framerate of "Potato" FPS? Well apparently Sonic Team thought it was a good port and released it for the 15th Anniversary anyway. I guess getting DIMPS to port Sonic 1 was out of the question as the GBA port was done on the engine used for Sonic Advance 1 which is a lot better than this port.
At least the Sonic 1 port on the Nintendo 3D is pretty much perfect. You can even turn the spindash on or off. :)
+RadioShadow Yep, cool thing to include in the SEGA 3D Classics Collection.
I agree.
And then some guy online took the time to make a Sonic 1 GBA rom hack that works. *And he was hired by Sega to help with Sonic Mania years later.* That always cracks me up.
UltimaKeyMaster He also made the mobile remakes of Sonic 1, 2 & CD for SEGA as well. The last of which also got released on PS3,Xbox 360, & Steam. The last of which is the version I own.
You rock game sack! Good stuff like always. I always like to hear what you guys think.
Thanks and Thanks for watching!
sans: one step closer and you're gonna have a bad time
frisk: *steps closer*
sans: you asked for it *takes out a tv, pc engine and golden axe*
also, are the ads fucked now? the one i got wasn't even english
Geo Belmont same
Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor on PS3.
Wanna play a game where you have to wait for the game to load every time you transition to a menu screen and back? How about playing on a constant 15 fps and below? And let's not forget that the sound gets choppy at times to the point where you think that the game might crash. That's the experience that you're going to get if you play Shadow of Mordor on PS3
EA did a terrible job of Marble Madness on Genesis. Atari's division, Tengen did a much better job, but was only available in Japan! Why couldn't they have that version here? Also, that version let you use a trackball for an arcade perfect experience!
Oh well. Off to play more Tony Hawk!
🎵So here I am, doing everything I can, holdin on to what I am, pretending I'm a Superman~🎵
In some cases, I actually preferred that some of the songs were instrumental, especially with Jerry was a Racecar Driver. That song has unique and interesting instruments but terrible, uninspired lyrics and singing.