And you can feel how uncomfortable the name is on her lips but she has to ask because she’s concerned. She looked out for everyone of the family including sybils husband who needs help most of all
My heart ached for Tom from this moment on. Alone in a land that's not his own, with a family he doesn't feel he belongs to, grief struck and with a newborn child as his only anchor to life, away from everything he had ever planned for his life
Lady Sybil & Tom's newborn child could well be the reason he kept going🕊️. Without a real "reason" to keep alive, after all that Tom had gone through and LOST😢. A man/person can choose to make very dark choices....💔
Same. But I also feel for Cora, another outsider to the family as it were. The pain of a mother seeing her child, her baby, die in front of her and having to bury her would hurt as deep as seeing the love of your life die in front of you. Both Cora and Tom were broken after Sybil died
‘But since this is the last time we three will all be together in this life-let’s love each other now.’ No drama will EVER eclipse the power and pain in the words of Downton Abbey.
I hated Violet here the most her sheer bluntness always gained my respect, however her clear partiality towards her son was excruciating. It was his and only his fault and arrogance that led to Sybil's death.
@@koushikisaha5197 to be fair, she wasnt there and was trying to unify the family. but i do have a big issue with violet getting dr clarkson to lie to them about sybil's chances of survival had they not ignored him. that was really shallow.
The moment Violet pauses was and is one of the most powerful moments on film. She never falters, yet, in just a few seconds we see her weakness and the one thing that steadied her was the strength of the walls of Downton. Intended metaphor? I don’t know but it was powerful no less
At that moment we see Not the Dowager Countess of Grantham, we see a Devoted Grandmother mourning, coping, coming to grips with the lost of her youngest Grandchild. #MissingHerBaby
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That little moment where Maggie Smith goes from shambling along like a grief striken old woman to flipping her veil and becoming the Dowager striding stoicially through her pain is part of why she's an icon.
Maggie Smith from 1'55 to 2'15, always makes me understand why she is one the greatest actress of the century. You can feel that the fearless lady is gone, replaced by the deep sadness and despair of a grandmother. It's maybe her best moment in the whole show
The stoicism of the Dowager leaning on her walking stick as she goes to the drawing room is so powerful. And all we see is her back. That’s quite a feat of acting.
And this has been why Downton has been so well received and respected. Through sensitive writing, gifted direction and extraordinary ensemble performances this intensely human drama touches the heart and never veers away from being a very adult and compelling view of life in a certain age and setting. More of television should be this smart and honest.
I found Violet’s reaction to be the most heartbreaking. It was like I saw her as an old woman for the first time, which I hadn’t done before this because she was always so formidable!
I miss Sybil She was and still is the best character of Dowtown Poor Tom, I still cry when he remebers Sybil, but he has been the best father for Sybbie, and they will always remember her... I feel Cora's pain... She is an amazing mother, and I really like the scene when she promises Sybil to take care to both of them ❤
There is truth in it. But Robert is not a doctor and two doctors disagreed. Sadly, he picked the wrong one to listen to. He loved Sybil and he thought he was helping her.
I agree for the most part, but unfortunately I do think he let fashion dictate his choice to a degree. Which is a poor choice when the alternative is a doctor who had known Sybil all her life. The whole affair was just such an impossible situation.
Doctor Clarkson was a general practitioner and the other muppet was a specialist. It's probably wiser to listen to the specialist. Also it was a time of new discoveries in medicine. Some doctors might not have been able to keep up. So Robert wasn't a fool though.
@@micca903 it also was a time when medicine was biased against women and they had no idea how women worked. They just barely are in the period where they think women can’t have sexual frustration and that hysteria was treated with medical assisted masturbating or she’ll go nuts. You can see all the sexist ways Robert and the doctor behave. Writing off her airy and confused behaviour as a woman having a baby as if it’s such a common fickle thing women do to be confused. Scoffing at the concerns when it’s just a womanly thing. Apart from other things of the way tapsel never knew Sybil like clarkson did knowing she doesn’t have thick ankles. But also that he was more concerned about not freaking out the family with his concerns than actual safety of the woman
@@KoiYakultGreenTea I don't immediately think of sexism when I watch that scene. It is a very rare condition and I immediately understood why he chose to ignore it. He was slightly dismissive but that's not sexist. The scene was more classist really. The "hysteria" phenomenon wasn't part of this scene.
You know, for me this was a turning point in Mary and Edith relationship. I felt that Edith lost her will to fight anymore, and trully wanted to make peace. But Mary couldn´t let go, and we had too many seasons more of sisterly hate, but more from Mary than from Edith.
lee charles She’s kind of selfish and that’s her justification in lots of cases! Like when she decided she’s on with Mathew again! She went and kissed him not minding that he was engaged to Lavinia then she had the decency to ask him to use the dead woman’s money to save the Downton! I just think that she lacks class and dignity sometimes! She’s not ashamed and Mathew shouldn’t be with Lavinia knowing he cannot control himself! Lavinia was a gorgeous kind pure person and surely didn’t deserve to die this way.
Nerdy Snailie I don’t blame either of them. Mary liked Lavinia and Lavinia like her they were both nice to each other. When Dowager and Lady Rosamund was trying to convince her to tell Matthew about the Marconi Scandal. Mary never told bc she didn’t want to sabotage their relationship. Mary and Matthew for life 🥰 They were the best couple of the series and that is my opinion
The Dowager Countess Violet's sweetest moment in the whole series was when she patted Mr. Carson's hand after Lady Sybil died. It's amazing what a simple gesture can convey.
IIRC they were not really involved in the discussion when Clarkson pointed out Sybil's weird behaviour and asked to take her to the hospital. At one point Cora says "I would have taken her hours ago" so she was aware of the situation.
DA characters are so wonderfully written that you can be angry at them and have sympathy at the same time. I found Robert's behavior during the labor very upsetting but afterwards he didn't shy away from that fact "nevertheless there is truth in it". My heart broke all over again when he said that.
@p a I'm curious as to how your comment alters/changes mine. Sybil's was/is the saddest death (I don't think anyone would disagree with that, given the context of things); however, Matthew's death was certainly the most shocking as it came with no previous narrative set-up (unlike with Sybil's, wherein the possibility of her dying was foreshadowed in the episode vs. occurring with just a few seconds lead-in as Matthew's was). Hence, "saddest" vs "shocking". Impactfulness is relative. Sybil's had a great impact on the household on an emotional level (particularly for Cora/Robert, due to the sense of guilt and accountability); Matthew's had a great impact because even though George was born at that point it still threw the future of the house in jeopardy, forcing Robert/Mary and Tom to forge a new way to run the estate as well as restructure their lives-as-planned vs what was then necessary. Both are impactful in their own ways (Sybil's was the saddest, but her dying didn't potentially threaten the estate/continuation of things; Matthew's was of course sad, but more so shocking given its suddenness and the shift in focus required.)
@p a Apparently you made a post relative to my response to you, but I can only see that a post was made but not the post itself. Maybe a YT glitch or something?
tideoftime I agree. Someone spoiled the death of Sybil so I knew about it and after the death at end of the season I was so shocked i wanted to give up watching it. However I cried so much at Sybil’s death even though I knew it was going to come.
I read ahead. I knew of Sybil's death. But I still found myself staring open-mouthed at the screen when the episode ended. That's because they all played it so painfully well. Everyone's reaction is spot-on and heartbreaking. And god the actual death scene... There's no "bright side" to the death of a happy, new mother with her whole life ahead of her and that's what I appreciate. They're so realistic about it. She's there one minute and gone the next.
Compare Tom and Mary’s response to their partners dying with their children. Mary was so broken she lost all feeling and she ignored her son for months and felt herself inadequate for being a mother. Tom on the other hand is broken too and is even more lost than Mary. He’s a ‘peasant’ in a noble home, left to raise his daughter who he specifically named after his wife so he can always remember her. The day they take her body away, he’s standing at the window feeling very vulnerable and alone but he carries her and though he feels afraid him holding her shoes he wants to be a good father. He is seen holding her even more when Mary comes to see him. In contrast to Mary who left it all to the nurse and only gives a perfunctory kiss on the head and holds him like he’s a statue she has to pose for a picture with. It took Mary considerably longer for a number of reasons. Particularly because she always showed herself as cold and unfeeling in order to protect herself and she believed that only with Matthew was it there. After his death she felt that she was just that cold thing again and couldn’t be a good mother. She was grieving her husband and the most of the mother she thought she was. It took her a while but she did it. But we can’t help but feel Tom had the short end of the stick being an outsider in his wife’s home raising his daughter who is a lady and he was not equal to her. It took him long we to settle into place in society than it was to be a father. And therein lies the difference between them. Mary has all she needs in society - status and the etiquette to be it. But she was ill prepared to be a mother on her own, she thought she didn’t because she thought the source of the goodness in her was Matthew. In Tom, he lacked all the societal graces but at his heart, something that most wealthy families are accused of lacking and ordinary folk do not ( mostly but there are some who lack anyway) is family and warmth and affection. Which is what the babies needed from their parents since they don’t have to worry about nursing with nurses. But All Tom To do was to cherish the baby and nourish it. But not what to do with himself
Post partum depression. You can't compare how two people grieve especially when the stoey is set in a time when gender wnforces one's personality and actions
stahp pls you can if the genders do inform their grieving. Which is exactly what I did. I even compared their socio economic backgrounds. Their family support structures. Their gender roles which inform how they look after the baby. Tom has to do considerably less and but in contrast Mary does even less then he does. What I’m really going for here is that despite gender norms and all that tom still was more proactive and engaged whether it was because of said factors and even his personality that made him more active and able to provide for his child as compared to Mary who just ‘moped’ in her depression. They both lost a spouse at the time of child birth and yet Th y both reacted differently. Even if we took away the historical context you can see how stark their differences were. And taking into account that Mary comparatively has more support and is also expected to turn out better overal. She did not.
After Matthew, Tom became the son Robert and Cora more than they had hoped for. For me, Tom became the brother to Mary and Edith they never had before. In a way, Tom successfully became a real glue to each of the Crawley members.
That is so true. Tom held together the family. He convinced Mary to marry Henry, stuck up for Edith when Mary told Bertie about Marigold, advised Robert and Cora on things. He even had a nice relationship with Isobel. I love Tom, as you might be able to tell from this comment. Before Sybil’s death he had a few angry moments, but after he really became my favorite character.
I believe that the scenes shown here are the best of the entire series. The heartache of the characters of Tom, Edith, Mary, Cora and the Duchess were so believable. The performers outdid themselves and it still makes me weep each and every time that I watch this.
Tom was fortunate to have baby Sybbie, a precious scrap of humanity combination of Sybil and him. My husband died in a motorcycle accident when our only child was 13 months old. Brandon anchored me in this life and I experienced joy of him. God bless our son, he was my light in a dark world.
Anyone else realize that every time a Crawley daughter had a child, one of the child's parents died? Sybil dies after having Sibbie, Matthew dies after George is born, and Michael Greggson dies before Marigold is even born. It is a wonder that Bertie and Henry wanted children after marrying Edith and Mary.
I've seen people talking about Edith being whiny. When Bertie is going on tour before their baby is born. I said, remember the last time Edith had a baby. Her baby's father was murdered.
The others may have suffered from that loss of Sybil but I truly don't think that anyone felt the loss as deeply or as badly as Tom did Sybil was his world, his life and then she was gone.
They do really. If you've not seen the film yet, it seems like after all that happened in season 6 they have buried the hatchet and seem to actually get on now.
The absolutely stunning bit of acting when the Dowager appears to almost stumble as she's so weighted with grief. Then as she approaches the door to the family she raises her head high and tossed back her veil, preparing to be the strong pair of loving hands they all desperately need. All without saying a word. RIP Maggie Smith, fantastic performance.
The thing, perhaps ironically, that I liked best about that part was how Mary (who, despite telling the occasional lie, is fundamentally an honest person) answered Edith's question with direct truthfulness -- "I doubt it...". She knew, even in their pain, that once things had passed then she and Edith would (as they did) be sniping at and backstabbing each other in relatively short order. That's a rare clarity in a character or person....
The sisters could comfort each other. But they’re powerless to comfort Tom whom they don’t know that well yet. And it filled them with sorrow and empathy for him who was all lone
I agree. I feel like when Edith asked Mary if she thought they would start getting along better, she was trying to tell Mary she wanted to at least try to start getting closer with her and try getting along better.
Why did Mary have to say I Doubt it.....I wish she just had some clear optimism for one minute even if it was fake. They just needed hope in that moment.
It's because, fundamentally, Mary is very honest. That's been a consistent trait of hers throughout the show. (Lying about her one night stand pained her in season one -- the only thing, though, was that her sense of shame/admonishment from her father and the social world was greater, so she was able to cover it up at least for a time.) Seriously, though: if you go back and rewatch a number of key episodes, Mary's sense of truthfulness works against her in many situations... and this, perhaps, is one of them. (But what she says *is* true, never-the-less; she and Edith never really do get along in the future, only coming to some terms at the end of the series as much for rounding out the show as for anything else.)
Mary never wanted to get along with Edith. Edith actually approached her twice but Mary was so cold. I often wonder why so nasty to your own sister even if you are nothing like her? Mary is a good example of when you do others bad, they return it to you. I just hated how she couldn’t rise to the occasion and instead just went with more of it
Dr. Clarkson: "I can save her life, let's get her to the hospital!" Sybil: "I'm trying to save my career, let me die!" Jessica Brown Findlay's career since leaving DA: wwhheeeeeee splash!!💥💥⬇⬇
This is one of the most heartbreaking moment in DA. Not only because it's Sybil, but because there is actually a chance that she might be alive but due to pride of some, she is gone. I can't wait for the next spin-off series of DA.
Tom reminds me of Rhet Butler when he wouldn't let them take his baby girl, Bonny Blue, to bury her. I can't help but support Cora in her view of why Sybil died.
Mary’s “What? Why?” when Cora references Dr. Clarkson - she’s way too smart to ask a dumb question like that. It’s so obvious why Cora wants to write to Clarkson; she shouldn’t have needed to explain.
Brilliant acting from Maggie Smith. As she walked away you could she the weight of the world on Violets shoulders. She just seemed so much older. So much smaller. ❤❤😢
When edith and mary do get along...they oddly make each other better. Wishing we could have seen more of those moments. Movie idea for 2nd movie. Edith mary Lady Crawley and Cora, And Rosamund and Tom all go to America to see Rose. #DowntonAbbey
So heartbreaking to watch all that emotion. Mary and Edith loved their baby sister and vice versa since she was younger. I did feel for Edith hoping she can be closer to Mary and Mary said no! Cora it is so painfully to see a mother full of pain. Such good acting. Violet saying such good advice. Robert trying his best to hold up like a gentleman as best he can. Feel Tom not from that social class letting it out.
I appreciate Robert standing by there being truth to what Cora said. Because there is. He and Sir Phillip wouldn’t listen to what the doctor, an EXPERT on the subject, said and they reaped the consequences. How little has changed in that respect a century later 🙄
Sir Phillip WAS the expert though. Dr. Clarkson was a general practitioner but Sir Phillip was an obstetrician with a practice in Harley Street. He was supposed to know what he was doing. So I don't really blame Robert for going with the expert's opinion. Did he let the fancy credentials blind him? Yes. Did he pick the wrong opinion? Yes. But Dr. Clarkson had also been wrong previously when it came to Matthew's condition and other instances, so he wasn't infallible either.
Mary's words in the first scene remind me of my relationship with my own brother... we may not get along, maybe we never will, but we are siblings, and this will always be stronger than anything else.
I feel so bad for the servants as well. Especially Ms. Hughes, Carson and Patmore, probably Thomas too. They knew her since she was a baby, they saw her grow up and die in what should have been the happiest day of her life.
Why did Mary have to say 'I doubt it' when Edith asked if they'd get along better in the future? I mean they didn't, really, but that was hardly the time-stood over Sybil's dead body!
It just puzzles me why Mary as the eldest had such snobbish and childish hatred toward Edith who wasn't even equal to her nor surpasses her! Like why!? We see the season 1 start with Mary showing how much she disliked Edith but to me that's puzzling. She is the favourite child! Her parents, her grandma, even the butler! She is the have it all child! Why on earth does she have no empathy towards her middle sister? She is mean to her always and then she continues to hurt her because she enjoys it. Mary is just w a wicked soul. I think Mathew tried to make her nicer and he was going to succeed had he lived but since he died, she returned to be so evil! Look at Edith, trying to reach out and look at Mary shutting her down! Even later, Edith was the one reminding Mary they are the only ones who lived what they lived, who'll remember Sybil and who'll actually remember their loved ones! Mary never was kind on her own! She had to be reminded to be kind .. that's just awful! I just also hate how that's acceptable too. Even when she ruined her sister engagement to Bertie, broke her heart on purpose knowing her sister had it before as a man left her by the alter, Violet did nothing towards Edith .. she was concerned for Mary's love life! Almost as if this series is about Mary! I am just glad she didn't laugh last and Edith just won the last round! :)
Edith was more snobbish than Mary and Edith was more self centred. Mary was way less snobbish. Mary was a nice person but she comes off as a aloof and cold person. But deep down she still has a heart and still deserves happiness. Edith is just petty and acts like she’s always the victim 🙄 ( Mary will always be my favourite character, especially Sybil)
One thing I liked, Mary and Edith were united in loving Tom as their brother.
Violet calling Tom, "Tom" is a very lovely underrated moment
I just thought basically the same thing when I watched the scene. Violet usually calls him Branson, and then corrects herself.
And you can feel how uncomfortable the name is on her lips but she has to ask because she’s concerned. She looked out for everyone of the family including sybils husband who needs help most of all
Also look at Robert's reaction when she pronounces his name
@@Snakecharmer1984 Great catch. I didn't notice his expression before.
Too bad Cybil could never hear her say it
My heart ached for Tom from this moment on. Alone in a land that's not his own, with a family he doesn't feel he belongs to, grief struck and with a newborn child as his only anchor to life, away from everything he had ever planned for his life
Lady Sybil & Tom's newborn child could well be the reason he kept going🕊️. Without a real "reason" to keep alive, after all that Tom had gone through and LOST😢.
A man/person can choose to make very dark choices....💔
Same. But I also feel for Cora, another outsider to the family as it were. The pain of a mother seeing her child, her baby, die in front of her and having to bury her would hurt as deep as seeing the love of your life die in front of you. Both Cora and Tom were broken after Sybil died
Yes, and he rebuilt his life with grace, dignity, and honor. It was a beautiful thing to watch evolve through the series.
‘But since this is the last time we three will all be together in this life-let’s love each other now.’ No drama will EVER eclipse the power and pain in the words of Downton Abbey.
Even I didn't like Mary back then, I was touched by those words becoz I also have a brother and a sister. I never think us that way.
i sobbed when she said this
This before Mary tried to ruin Edith's happily-ever-after, or after?
@@magicalmilimi894 before.
Never dies ever
"When tragedies strike we find someone to blame, and in the absence of a suitable candidate we usually blame ourselves"
except its literally Robert and Tapsell's fault
I hated Violet here the most her sheer bluntness always gained my respect, however her clear partiality towards her son was excruciating. It was his and only his fault and arrogance that led to Sybil's death.
@@koushikisaha5197 to be fair, she wasnt there and was trying to unify the family. but i do have a big issue with violet getting dr clarkson to lie to them about sybil's chances of survival had they not ignored him. that was really shallow.
Tapsell and Robert didnt kill Sybil, their PRIDE did.
@@felipeestopado2346 tomato tomato
The moment Violet pauses was and is one of the most powerful moments on film. She never falters, yet, in just a few seconds we see her weakness and the one thing that steadied her was the strength of the walls of Downton.
Intended metaphor? I don’t know but it was powerful no less
At that moment we see Not the Dowager Countess of Grantham, we see a Devoted Grandmother mourning, coping, coming to grips with the lost of her youngest Grandchild. #MissingHerBaby
Raspberry Dove-Ali I am beside myself giddy for September. I am so excited about the film
Nurse JoCo Exactly what I’ve always thought. Very moving as she quietly mourns.
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This! ♥️
Sybil’s death is the most shocking and painful plot in the entire Downton series.
I agree. I've been rewatching the series before seeing the film, and I cried just as much during this episode as I did the first time I saw it.
This episode wrecks me
*Devastating*
*Matthew has entered the chat
I agree, she was the glue that kept the family together. So heartbreaking I couldn't stop crying...
That little moment where Maggie Smith goes from shambling along like a grief striken old woman to flipping her veil and becoming the Dowager striding stoicially through her pain is part of why she's an icon.
Beautifully put
So true
When Mary called Sybil darling for the last time it broke my heart.
Tom looking helplessly out the window when he should have been beaming with happiness at the baby in his arms. Damn.
Then the camera pulled back and he looked swallowed up by the house. Fantastic cinematic shorthand.
this episode was so heartbreaking. Especially when Violet was walking away from Carson.
Golden Rose
It makes me cry every single time I watch it...😔
I know right!
Violet looks so heartbroken and weak, I really wish Carson would have offered her his arm and walked her into the room.
Because she was a grief stricken grandmother not the sharp tounge and quick wit dowager countess
Maggie Smith from 1'55 to 2'15, always makes me understand why she is one the greatest actress of the century. You can feel that the fearless lady is gone, replaced by the deep sadness and despair of a grandmother. It's maybe her best moment in the whole show
Mrfabuleux
I agree with you 100%
The stoicism of the Dowager leaning on her walking stick as she goes to the drawing room is so powerful. And all we see is her back. That’s quite a feat of acting.
And this has been why Downton has been so well received and respected. Through sensitive writing, gifted direction and extraordinary ensemble performances this intensely human drama touches the heart and never veers away from being a very adult and compelling view of life in a certain age and setting. More of television should be this smart and honest.
I found Violet’s reaction to be the most heartbreaking. It was like I saw her as an old woman for the first time, which I hadn’t done before this because she was always so formidable!
The moment Dame Maggie Smith started to falter, that is when I lost it. 😭
I miss Sybil
She was and still is the best character of Dowtown
Poor Tom, I still cry when he remebers Sybil, but he has been the best father for Sybbie, and they will always remember her...
I feel Cora's pain... She is an amazing mother, and I really like the scene when she promises Sybil to take care to both of them ❤
"All we can do now is cherish her memory."
"And her child."
THAT should have been enough to stop the animosity between Mary and Edith.
There is truth in it.
But Robert is not a doctor and two doctors disagreed. Sadly, he picked the wrong one to listen to.
He loved Sybil and he thought he was helping her.
I agree for the most part, but unfortunately I do think he let fashion dictate his choice to a degree. Which is a poor choice when the alternative is a doctor who had known Sybil all her life. The whole affair was just such an impossible situation.
Doctor Clarkson was a general practitioner and the other muppet was a specialist. It's probably wiser to listen to the specialist. Also it was a time of new discoveries in medicine. Some doctors might not have been able to keep up. So Robert wasn't a fool though.
I think when you have two doctors that disagree, when it comes to childbirth, action is the better choice over inaction.
@@micca903 it also was a time when medicine was biased against women and they had no idea how women worked. They just barely are in the period where they think women can’t have sexual frustration and that hysteria was treated with medical assisted masturbating or she’ll go nuts. You can see all the sexist ways Robert and the doctor behave. Writing off her airy and confused behaviour as a woman having a baby as if it’s such a common fickle thing women do to be confused. Scoffing at the concerns when it’s just a womanly thing. Apart from other things of the way tapsel never knew Sybil like clarkson did knowing she doesn’t have thick ankles. But also that he was more concerned about not freaking out the family with his concerns than actual safety of the woman
@@KoiYakultGreenTea I don't immediately think of sexism when I watch that scene. It is a very rare condition and I immediately understood why he chose to ignore it. He was slightly dismissive but that's not sexist. The scene was more classist really. The "hysteria" phenomenon wasn't part of this scene.
You know, for me this was a turning point in Mary and Edith relationship. I felt that Edith lost her will to fight anymore, and trully wanted to make peace. But Mary couldn´t let go, and we had too many seasons more of sisterly hate, but more from Mary than from Edith.
Well Mary started it and we never knew why
Mary despite being the oldest sister is way more immature than Edith and Sybil.
lee charles She’s kind of selfish and that’s her justification in lots of cases! Like when she decided she’s on with Mathew again! She went and kissed him not minding that he was engaged to Lavinia then she had the decency to ask him to use the dead woman’s money to save the Downton! I just think that she lacks class and dignity sometimes! She’s not ashamed and Mathew shouldn’t be with Lavinia knowing he cannot control himself! Lavinia was a gorgeous kind pure person and surely didn’t deserve to die this way.
Prettier and older siblings are often like that. Cruel but true
Nerdy Snailie I don’t blame either of them. Mary liked Lavinia and Lavinia like her they were both nice to each other. When Dowager and Lady Rosamund was trying to convince her to tell Matthew about the Marconi Scandal. Mary never told bc she didn’t want to sabotage their relationship. Mary and Matthew for life 🥰 They were the best couple of the series and that is my opinion
The way the music swells up as the camera zooms in on Tom holding Sybbie, looking so devastated and alone 😭😭
Violets release of emotion prior to entering to be a source of strength as grandmother shows a lot to her character.
Mary: “Let’s love eachother now , as sisters should
*6 years later*
Mary: ‘Sup Bertie, u wanna hear something funny?
LOL
The Dowager Countess Violet's sweetest moment in the whole series was when she patted Mr. Carson's hand after Lady Sybil died. It's amazing what a simple gesture can convey.
For me, Mary and Edith both love Sybil and fond of Tom. It may one of a few thing they have in common.
All these years later and I’m still not over Sybil’s death. She was a sweet soul.
I'm suprised Mary and Edith didn't feel the same way as Cora, I would have.
Cora was EXACTLY right!!
IIRC they were not really involved in the discussion when Clarkson pointed out Sybil's weird behaviour and asked to take her to the hospital. At one point Cora says "I would have taken her hours ago" so she was aware of the situation.
@@yannickdrmda5295Yes! When Tom asks Cora if she were him, if she would take her to the hospital, and she says, “I would’ve taken her an hour ago!”
DA characters are so wonderfully written that you can be angry at them and have sympathy at the same time. I found Robert's behavior during the labor very upsetting but afterwards he didn't shy away from that fact "nevertheless there is truth in it". My heart broke all over again when he said that.
While the death at the end of the season is arguably the most shocking of the show, this was certainly the saddest.
@p a I'm curious as to how your comment alters/changes mine. Sybil's was/is the saddest death (I don't think anyone would disagree with that, given the context of things); however, Matthew's death was certainly the most shocking as it came with no previous narrative set-up (unlike with Sybil's, wherein the possibility of her dying was foreshadowed in the episode vs. occurring with just a few seconds lead-in as Matthew's was). Hence, "saddest" vs "shocking".
Impactfulness is relative. Sybil's had a great impact on the household on an emotional level (particularly for Cora/Robert, due to the sense of guilt and accountability); Matthew's had a great impact because even though George was born at that point it still threw the future of the house in jeopardy, forcing Robert/Mary and Tom to forge a new way to run the estate as well as restructure their lives-as-planned vs what was then necessary. Both are impactful in their own ways (Sybil's was the saddest, but her dying didn't potentially threaten the estate/continuation of things; Matthew's was of course sad, but more so shocking given its suddenness and the shift in focus required.)
@p a Apparently you made a post relative to my response to you, but I can only see that a post was made but not the post itself. Maybe a YT glitch or something?
tideoftime I agree. Someone spoiled the death of Sybil so I knew about it and after the death at end of the season I was so shocked i wanted to give up watching it. However I cried so much at Sybil’s death even though I knew it was going to come.
tideoftime exactly it’s like a reverse. Sybil gives birth and she dies. Mary gives birth and Matthew dies 😭
Rebecca Morgan I know once you have disagreements about a birth you know it’s going to go wrong
When Edith feeblessly says "oh Mary..." i always crumble inside.
same
I read ahead. I knew of Sybil's death. But I still found myself staring open-mouthed at the screen when the episode ended. That's because they all played it so painfully well. Everyone's reaction is spot-on and heartbreaking. And god the actual death scene... There's no "bright side" to the death of a happy, new mother with her whole life ahead of her and that's what I appreciate. They're so realistic about it. She's there one minute and gone the next.
I knew she was suffering from eclampsia when she complained of a headache...I was yelling and crying at the tv...knowing what’s about to happen 😔
Compare Tom and Mary’s response to their partners dying with their children. Mary was so broken she lost all feeling and she ignored her son for months and felt herself inadequate for being a mother. Tom on the other hand is broken too and is even more lost than Mary. He’s a ‘peasant’ in a noble home, left to raise his daughter who he specifically named after his wife so he can always remember her. The day they take her body away, he’s standing at the window feeling very vulnerable and alone but he carries her and though he feels afraid him holding her shoes he wants to be a good father. He is seen holding her even more when Mary comes to see him. In contrast to Mary who left it all to the nurse and only gives a perfunctory kiss on the head and holds him like he’s a statue she has to pose for a picture with. It took Mary considerably longer for a number of reasons. Particularly because she always showed herself as cold and unfeeling in order to protect herself and she believed that only with Matthew was it there. After his death she felt that she was just that cold thing again and couldn’t be a good mother. She was grieving her husband and the most of the mother she thought she was. It took her a while but she did it. But we can’t help but feel Tom had the short end of the stick being an outsider in his wife’s home raising his daughter who is a lady and he was not equal to her. It took him long we to settle into place in society than it was to be a father. And therein lies the difference between them. Mary has all she needs in society - status and the etiquette to be it. But she was ill prepared to be a mother on her own, she thought she didn’t because she thought the source of the goodness in her was Matthew. In Tom, he lacked all the societal graces but at his heart, something that most wealthy families are accused of lacking and ordinary folk do not ( mostly but there are some who lack anyway) is family and warmth and affection. Which is what the babies needed from their parents since they don’t have to worry about nursing with nurses. But All Tom To do was to cherish the baby and nourish it. But not what to do with himself
Post partum depression. You can't compare how two people grieve especially when the stoey is set in a time when gender wnforces one's personality and actions
stahp pls you can if the genders do inform their grieving. Which is exactly what I did. I even compared their socio economic backgrounds. Their family support structures. Their gender roles which inform how they look after the baby. Tom has to do considerably less and but in contrast Mary does even less then he does. What I’m really going for here is that despite gender norms and all that tom still was more proactive and engaged whether it was because of said factors and even his personality that made him more active and able to provide for his child as compared to Mary who just ‘moped’ in her depression. They both lost a spouse at the time of child birth and yet Th y both reacted differently. Even if we took away the historical context you can see how stark their differences were. And taking into account that Mary comparatively has more support and is also expected to turn out better overal. She did not.
Also Tom was a man. So he had to have a stiff upper lip and all that
@@stahppls2293 Gender isn't real
What gets me is that Violet has her moment of weakness and needs the wall, but then she lifts her veil and holds herself up to show strength...😭😭
After Matthew, Tom became the son Robert and Cora more than they had hoped for. For me, Tom became the brother to Mary and Edith they never had before. In a way, Tom successfully became a real glue to each of the Crawley members.
That is so true. Tom held together the family. He convinced Mary to marry Henry, stuck up for Edith when Mary told Bertie about Marigold, advised Robert and Cora on things. He even had a nice relationship with Isobel. I love Tom, as you might be able to tell from this comment. Before Sybil’s death he had a few angry moments, but after he really became my favorite character.
I believe that the scenes shown here are the best of the entire series. The heartache of the characters of Tom, Edith, Mary, Cora and the Duchess were so believable. The performers outdid themselves and it still makes me weep each and every time that I watch this.
Dowager, but yeah. If there was a What If series about Downton, Episode 1 has to be Sybil surviving.
Tom was fortunate to have baby Sybbie, a precious scrap of humanity combination of Sybil and him. My husband died in a motorcycle accident when our only child was 13 months old. Brandon anchored me in this life and I experienced joy of him. God bless our son, he was my light in a dark world.
I’m so sorry you lost your husband that way. ❤️ I’m glad you had your child to help you through it. I hope you’re doing well now.
@@julesk2629 ❤️ Thank your for your kind comment. My son and I are great. I remarried seven years later and my son is now 40 years old. ❤️
The score at the end gets me everytime.
How does Maggie Smith manage to convey her emotions so effectively walking away from the camera? Amazing performance.
The most painful moment of all time in downtown abbey... ☹️
The bit that really got me was when the Dowager-usually such a strong woman-has to stop and steady herself on the wall. 😪😪😪
Her death and Matthew's killed me
This show. So beautiful in every way.
The dowager having to steady herself is so showing of her inner pain.
People always talk about Mary’s grief or Tom's but no one about Edith's we didn’t get a lot of scenes with Edith and Sybil
Anyone else realize that every time a Crawley daughter had a child, one of the child's parents died? Sybil dies after having Sibbie, Matthew dies after George is born, and Michael Greggson dies before Marigold is even born. It is a wonder that Bertie and Henry wanted children after marrying Edith and Mary.
I have said that same thing! Smh
I've seen people talking about Edith being whiny. When Bertie is going on tour before their baby is born.
I said, remember the last time Edith had a baby. Her baby's father was murdered.
Conclusion: The Crawley sisters are cursed!
@@williamarturofernandeztino6148 lol
The others may have suffered from that loss of Sybil but I truly don't think that anyone felt the loss as deeply or as badly as Tom did Sybil was his world, his life and then she was gone.
Best series ever!!!
Unfortunately they didn't get along better
They were for the rest of the season and even season four.
They do really. If you've not seen the film yet, it seems like after all that happened in season 6 they have buried the hatchet and seem to actually get on now.
Niffle Puff I heard that. I think the big blowup between them in season six cleared the air and woke them up
Edith tried to get along but Mary didnt want to.
Raquel Florence well that’s because Edith is a horrible bitch.
Poor Violet.
This episode was so sad.
There is a saying in Japan a good person has a short life.
The absolutely stunning bit of acting when the Dowager appears to almost stumble as she's so weighted with grief. Then as she approaches the door to the family she raises her head high and tossed back her veil, preparing to be the strong pair of loving hands they all desperately need. All without saying a word. RIP Maggie Smith, fantastic performance.
MAGNIFICENT PRODUCTION, WRITERS, PRODUCER, DIRECTOR, ACTORS, SETS, WARDROBE, ACTING.......MAGNIFICENT EVERYTHING!!!
It's amazing how "old" Maggie managed to look when she stumbled in the hallway, superb acting.
When it was out that scene broke my heart ! I cried I loved this show miss it a lot ! I watched every week !
You know, at least Mary was always honest about how she felt about Edith lol
Maybe one of the two or three instances of affection-(ish?) behavior between Mary and Edith.
The thing, perhaps ironically, that I liked best about that part was how Mary (who, despite telling the occasional lie, is fundamentally an honest person) answered Edith's question with direct truthfulness -- "I doubt it...". She knew, even in their pain, that once things had passed then she and Edith would (as they did) be sniping at and backstabbing each other in relatively short order. That's a rare clarity in a character or person....
they have a little bit more nicer moments
The sisters could comfort each other. But they’re powerless to comfort Tom whom they don’t know that well yet. And it filled them with sorrow and empathy for him who was all lone
Sibyl,s 2 sisters and her Husband saying Goodbye to the best one in Downton Abbey, but her baby daughter lives on, Life goes on
2022
I always wished edith and mary got along better.
I agree. I feel like when Edith asked Mary if she thought they would start getting along better, she was trying to tell Mary she wanted to at least try to start getting closer with her and try getting along better.
Why did Mary have to say I Doubt it.....I wish she just had some clear optimism for one minute even if it was fake. They just needed hope in that moment.
It's because, fundamentally, Mary is very honest. That's been a consistent trait of hers throughout the show. (Lying about her one night stand pained her in season one -- the only thing, though, was that her sense of shame/admonishment from her father and the social world was greater, so she was able to cover it up at least for a time.) Seriously, though: if you go back and rewatch a number of key episodes, Mary's sense of truthfulness works against her in many situations... and this, perhaps, is one of them. (But what she says *is* true, never-the-less; she and Edith never really do get along in the future, only coming to some terms at the end of the series as much for rounding out the show as for anything else.)
@@tideoftime Wow, well said
tideoftime As I'm sure the Dowager would say 'There can at times be too much honesty.'
@@alexanderjones9572 ...because of course we all know that The Dowager has a ... nuanced... relationship with honesty... ;)
Mary never wanted to get along with Edith. Edith actually approached her twice but Mary was so cold. I often wonder why so nasty to your own sister even if you are nothing like her? Mary is a good example of when you do others bad, they return it to you. I just hated how she couldn’t rise to the occasion and instead just went with more of it
edith: do you think we might get along a little better in the future?
mary: i doubt it.
edith: *_hello darkness my old friend_*
lol
Dr. Clarkson: "I can save her life, let's get her to the hospital!"
Sybil: "I'm trying to save my career, let me die!"
Jessica Brown Findlay's career since leaving DA: wwhheeeeeee splash!!💥💥⬇⬇
Yeah staying would have been better
I am sorry the dad's stubborness killed Sybil.
This is one of the most heartbreaking moment in DA. Not only because it's Sybil, but because there is actually a chance that she might be alive but due to pride of some, she is gone. I can't wait for the next spin-off series of DA.
Tom reminds me of Rhet Butler when he wouldn't let them take his baby girl, Bonny Blue, to bury her.
I can't help but support Cora in her view of why Sybil died.
Laura Carmichael is such a good actress
I met Lady Mary Crowley in 1970. She was old & I was young. And now I'm old. Life is always moving on.
Mary’s “What? Why?” when Cora references Dr. Clarkson - she’s way too smart to ask a dumb question like that. It’s so obvious why Cora wants to write to Clarkson; she shouldn’t have needed to explain.
It may have been that Julian felt Mary may have been so grief-stricken that she wasn’t thinking straight.
My poor Sybil ❤😥 She was the best of them.
Brilliant acting from Maggie Smith. As she walked away you could she the weight of the world on Violets shoulders. She just seemed so much older. So much smaller. ❤❤😢
When edith and mary do get along...they oddly make each other better. Wishing we could have seen more of those moments. Movie idea for 2nd movie. Edith mary Lady Crawley and Cora, And Rosamund and Tom all go to America to see Rose. #DowntonAbbey
Even today childbirth is a killer .. lets not forget that
The worst thing that's ever happened in TV history and I cry each time, even though I've seen it 100 times 😭
It still hurts to watch this.
Damn I’m crying and it’s just a bloody clip and I’ve seen the ep thousands of times
i miss sybil..such a gentle soul.
So heartbreaking to watch all that emotion. Mary and Edith loved their baby sister and vice versa since she was younger. I did feel for Edith hoping she can be closer to Mary and Mary said no! Cora it is so painfully to see a mother full of pain. Such good acting. Violet saying such good advice. Robert trying his best to hold up like a gentleman as best he can. Feel Tom not from that social class letting it out.
idk but the war and sybil's death has changed edith so much
Agree she had great character development
What a black day for downton abbey! Woe
Nevertheless "blessed r those who mourn, for they shall be comforted"- from Jesus
Now that Downton is a film I really want Maggie Smith to get an Oscar. It won't happen but I can dream can't I😇
She already has 2 oscars
@@barnalidash2201 and she can't have 3 because?
Because the movie came out in 2019 and oscars for that year are done
I'm watching all the episodes again bliss can't wait for the film to come out
Still makes me tear up
My heart went towards the countess as she says she needs to apologize
Maggie Smith's acting as she walks towards the family omg ...
I appreciate Robert standing by there being truth to what Cora said. Because there is. He and Sir Phillip wouldn’t listen to what the doctor, an EXPERT on the subject, said and they reaped the consequences. How little has changed in that respect a century later 🙄
Sir Phillip WAS the expert though. Dr. Clarkson was a general practitioner but Sir Phillip was an obstetrician with a practice in Harley Street. He was supposed to know what he was doing. So I don't really blame Robert for going with the expert's opinion. Did he let the fancy credentials blind him? Yes. Did he pick the wrong opinion? Yes. But Dr. Clarkson had also been wrong previously when it came to Matthew's condition and other instances, so he wasn't infallible either.
Mary's words in the first scene remind me of my relationship with my own brother... we may not get along, maybe we never will, but we are siblings, and this will always be stronger than anything else.
When this episode was first broadcast, I nearly stopped watching the series. I hadn’t expected Sybil’s death, and was very shocked by it.
Sooo sad!!!! I can’t believe we lost Cybil and Matthew in the same season!!
My heart ached for all of them. 😢
I feel so bad for the servants as well. Especially Ms. Hughes, Carson and Patmore, probably Thomas too. They knew her since she was a baby, they saw her grow up and die in what should have been the happiest day of her life.
Unless Thomas started working at like 5 i dont think he saw baby Sybil
I think about the scene with Mary, Edith, and Sybil at least once a month. It helped me during the impending death of my dear father.
“She was the only person living who always thought you and I were such nice people”
Lady Mary crawley
Love each other for as long as God gives us life,
2021
♥️
Why did I watch this? My heart hurts.
A friend of mine just started watching Downton....she screamed about Sybil...I havent warned her about Matthew yet *teehee
Why did Mary have to say 'I doubt it' when Edith asked if they'd get along better in the future? I mean they didn't, really, but that was hardly the time-stood over Sybil's dead body!
You would not like to lie over a corpse
It just puzzles me why Mary as the eldest had such snobbish and childish hatred toward Edith who wasn't even equal to her nor surpasses her! Like why!? We see the season 1 start with Mary showing how much she disliked Edith but to me that's puzzling. She is the favourite child! Her parents, her grandma, even the butler! She is the have it all child! Why on earth does she have no empathy towards her middle sister? She is mean to her always and then she continues to hurt her because she enjoys it. Mary is just w a wicked soul. I think Mathew tried to make her nicer and he was going to succeed had he lived but since he died, she returned to be so evil! Look at Edith, trying to reach out and look at Mary shutting her down! Even later, Edith was the one reminding Mary they are the only ones who lived what they lived, who'll remember Sybil and who'll actually remember their loved ones! Mary never was kind on her own! She had to be reminded to be kind .. that's just awful! I just also hate how that's acceptable too. Even when she ruined her sister engagement to Bertie, broke her heart on purpose knowing her sister had it before as a man left her by the alter, Violet did nothing towards Edith .. she was concerned for Mary's love life! Almost as if this series is about Mary! I am just glad she didn't laugh last and Edith just won the last round! :)
Edith was more snobbish than Mary and Edith was more self centred. Mary was way less snobbish. Mary was a nice person but she comes off as a aloof and cold person. But deep down she still has a heart and still deserves happiness. Edith is just petty and acts like she’s always the victim 🙄 ( Mary will always be my favourite character, especially Sybil)
“I doubt it” lmao I remember when I first watched this and she said that line. I lost it.
Violet destroyed me in this scene