So do you like Slowya or Fastya🗿 edit: energy for Slowya is changed to strength, as she can 3T ult with EEE (even if she cant 2T ult, but Bronya can't 3T ult with EAE unless higher Sig LC superimposition)
Fastya, she's faster than my Seele without the buff, but the hability to turn the battle at my favor is priceless, usually I buff Seele turn1 because if Seele doesn't have her ult already she probably will farm one anyways.
The Slowya and Fastya names reminds me of Warframe, which I haven't played in a long while but there's a frame called Nova who's can slow enemies down or speed them up depending on how you build her, and the respective builds are called Slowva and Fastva respectively. Just thought it was interesting and had a bit of nostalgia.
Slowva for assasination, etc. Fastva for farming like survival with Nekros, Hydron, Trinity. Or just farming exp on, what's that map called again. Grineer map. Back in the day when I play 6 -12 hours a day and never touch grass. rofl.
Note that there is an upper limit for hyperspeed bronya which is around 1.7x your dps's speed (talent 10). This lets your bronya AE and get the maximum action gauge skip, but any higher than this and your bronya will go just before your dps and ruin her skill use. Most notably useful for slow dpses like blade with hp boots. Also, 160 speed lets your bronya do AAE on turn 0 and fill up exactly 150 AV which is a neat trick you can use for sp heavy teams.
@yuuta.1013 with 126 blade use 125 bronya although 134 135 id better for moc. Hyperspeed bronya is 97 blade with hp boots with 160+ bronya. This allows aae on turn 1 and the e spam. AE bronya is not worth it with blade. Just e spam
@@s-zs7nn hmm, i can see ur point. What if with double jingliu blade bronya? Kinda wanna go 160 bronya, 135ish jing, blade naked speed, and still kinda generating sp with bronya, while still be able to AE to jing or AE to blade depending on bosses weakness? And yeah sacrificing blade since he's more of a follow up andy as long as jing got AE with bronya. Thought?
For Slowya I think e2 Dan Heng works really well because you can just basic attack when his talent is not active and stack all the multipliers after Bronya skill, this makes Dan Heng pretty much skill neutral.
Nooo... With E2 S1 DHIL you want Fastya.... Not slowya.... If it's E0 DHIL, you want slowya. Also, with E2 DHIL, you want to use Atk% boots over speed boots... Your DHIL will be slow. This is the optimal DHIL CN build
I just go for as much speed as i can while having good pieces also on all characters, speed tunning is not f2p friendly at all as you need to min and max too much on relics , to be able to do it you need to sacrifice better relics to achieve a specific speed as a f2p/low spender as you wont have many relic pieces , that is not efficient for 90+% of players , having correct main stats, sub stats, relic sets, etc all come before speed tunning for most people. Is good to know the best breakpoints but not that usefull for people with limited resources that is pretty much everyone outside of spenders
It’s actually better to speed tune than using something with better substat for overall damage in most situations. The exception being if the gear you are switching out has really good substats. But you generally speed tune in relation to your dps and substats on supports generally mean much less. As f2p, the best gear on your support probably has trash substats anyways so you aren’t losing much
Feel like the decision between fastya and slowya is dependent on the relics you get, its just not feasible for me to get Bronya that fast tbh so I have to go Slowya
I used to use Slownya, because it's more skill point efficient in heavy skill usage team. When I got Blade, I made her into Fastnya and it works too well since Blade rely more on his basic attack and he can followup attack more. I dunno how all this mechanic works but I feel Fastnya is better.
There's also Midya, the spot where she's Slowya for the fast characters like Seele, but Fastya for slow characters like Blade, around the mid 120s SPD mark. It isn't 'maximum value', but it lets you be 'good enough' to be a net positive no matter who you're bringing along as a DPS xD And yes, that's where my Bronya sits :P
There's no real reason to run Blade slow with her though, being able to E every single turn allows you to lineup his counterattack/ulti for big burst windows.
5:02 even after basic attack, Bronya should still be able to pull your main dps back ahead of her after 1 skill use. Yeah you waste the 100% forward of it but it still gives bonus damage. With the speed tuning, regardless of where Bronya is ahead of your dps, you can always pull the cycle back after 1 skill use.
Yes, exactly. I think it's a common misconception that Bronya speed-tuned to be slightly slower than your DPS is very punishing if your Bronya is forced to basic attack for whatever reason. It actually only messes up your speed tuning for one turn, not for the rest of combat. If your Bronya ends up going before your DPS then she can just use her skill to put both your DPS and Bronya at the same action value and, since your DPS is faster than your Bronya, your DPS's very next turn will be in front of Bronya again which means your speed tuning is fixed!
You right, my seele speed is below bronya, and its just take 1 turn to fix it after seele use skill, it comeback to where it is, this is also help me to manage my sp usage
Thank you so much man. I didnt know which one to go with Blade. I am going Slowya all the way. Although I think Blade needs like 7 rolls and Its a little tricky to build that since I need 70% Crit rate for Rutilant Arena.
You can also speed tune fastya technically, there's just no point with current characters. Your bronya needs to be extremely fast as essentially your carry's AV should be just over 17000/bronya speed, which even with slowest carry in the game (blade at 97 speed) would mean up to a 164 speed bronya. In this case, being a little slower isn't an issue (as this is a cap to bronya's speed, not a minimum threshold). Just wanted to point this out as you do mention hyperspeed bronya, and I think if you're at 160 speed anyways its probably worth looking into slowing down your main carry and having bronya do AEAE rotation. With blade this is kinda pointless as he doesn't need bronya to generate that many skill points anyways, but maybe a dps in the future will be slow and SP hungry.
Could you tell me more about this and what else it requires? My Bronya right now is exactly 164 speed as you mentioned. And I think I'll be running this in the foreseeable future as my blade has practically zero Speed substats right now, as you mentioned 97 speed. In line with this, I think I should also max my talent, coz it's only level 3 rn, and optimally I will not be using this normally since I want to E to bump blade(or whoever else) up. I generally use them with luocha and SW/Pela too which seem SP positive enough.
@@uramis00 Blade with 97 speed = 103.09 AV Bronya with 164 speed = 60.98 With L10 talent, she advances herself forward 30%, meaning bronya auto will put you back 164/7000 = 42.68 added up, this means that bronya auto + skill is *just* slower than blade. Basically it makes bronya + carry rotation look like this: 60.98 - Bronya auto, next action at 103.66 103.09 - Blade 103.66 - Bronya skill blade
personally i go spdy build on bronya for that free sp. I don't think her build really matter when cc or pushback or even a random turn push will ruin the turn order regardless of how you're trying to manage her speed.
Wow 134 is slownya, then my 99 bronya is snailnya Also question, my bronya is e2 and i am having blade with 100spd since i run hp on his boots, what is the best bronya can i build for blade, the slow or fast, also what is the best relic and lc? Sorry if this so much
Go with fast. The main thing with slownya is both her and the main DPS(on this case blade) hitting that 134 threshold for 4 blade actions on turn 0. HP boots on blade makes it almost impossible to hit 135spd (since Bronya wants to get to 134 spd)
I suspect this means that if you spend the time to grind up a Hyperspeed Bronya she'll be applicable for most characters in the game. I'd rather suffer through one excruciating grind than have to worry about speed subs on any future DPS I might pull.
A bit late but exactly my thoughts. I tend to save up for chars I like (not their kits), so I dont rly pull for that many supports, Bronya (who i will get in the standard banner exchange) or Tingyun or Yukong will be main supports for almost every team I hv. In this case, I am going to aim for a hyperspeed Bronya bc I aint hv that much resource and time to speed tune for every DPS I hv, plus fewer restrictions when building future DPS
very easy to understand love ur video, can u talk about sampoo in near future before kafka if possible so we can decide to build him or not when kafka come. ur video make my team build way more easy and fun
I just got her a couple of days ago and was very excited but I quickly realized it was a bit more tricky to build her to support my Seele. I keep ending up with Bronya going directly before her which totally negates the advance forward part of her kit... I think Yukong emotionally scarred me with that bs. Building a perfectly speed tuned set for a Slowya build is simply not something I'm willing to do. I despise the longevous/hackerspace domain after being stuck in there for 3 days straight (can't be auto'd without Gepard+Luocha and with them it takes 10min per run -.-). I guess I will just have to do a happy-go-lucky Fastya build and see if I can figure out a good rotation that is sp neutral, cause it's kinda cringe to E Seele and then there are no sp left.
personally i have special speed tuning for her. I use the wind set and when i need my bronya to be faster, i use ult and E, when i need to be slower, i use ult *only during her turn* so she doesnt gain any advanced action. Also i have speed boots and atk boots for different occasions
A few questions to clarify, SlowYa: Spd 134, DPS Spd: 135, Spam Bronya skill every turn. In total DPS attack 4 times 1st turn. DPS skill > Bronya skill > DPS skill > Basic atk > Basic atk > DPS skill > Bronya skill > DPS skill If not using Blade, we will be using 6 SP while generating 2 SP from the other 2 party members in the 1st turn. Is this correct? HyperYa: Spd 160, DPS Spd: Low(use atk boots), Spam Bronya skill every turn. In total Bronya goes 4 times within 2 turns, then goes 7 times within 4 turns. What does "Bronya goes 4 times within 2 turns" means? 1st turn Bronya goes twice then 2nd turn Bronya go twice again?
1) yeap, thats how slowya works! 2) bronya can go 4 times in 2 turns if she hits 160, as thats the threshold for any unit to go twice in first turn, and twice in 2nd turn. same for 7 times in 4 turns, part of the threshold (156).
@@mrpokkeeDoes the requirement for 160 speed threshhold get reduced, if Bronya has the Advance Forward Talent? Or it's still the same 160 speed for any character, regardless of ADV forward passives?
Can you compare the damage between a Fastya + Blade with HP boots vs Slowya + Blade with SPD boots? I'm guessing that when you're running a Fastya or Hyperspeed, Blade wouldn't really need extra SPD.
My field team was 156 speed hyper bronya with 106 speed blade, 148 speed sw, 150 speed luocha (auto all content with this team), and all i can say is, hyper speed bronya always use skill, it doesnt matter how low your sp is as long you can skill, you will use it. If you need more skill point, just let other unit to normal attack. Hyper fast bronya + slow blade + super fast luocha + super fast other unit for sp refill is very easy to do anything.
I have e2 bronya and with 134 speed what speed do I need for fast bronya if I auto attack first turn and then buff my dps in the same cycle b4 the enemy turn? Because after I use my skill I'm to slow to do that on the second cycle
How does E2 affect her speed requirents? Is it best to build a fast Bronya and start with A, then spam E, assuming the DPS overtakes her with the SPD buff?
yeap, as long as it is within the speed threshold. do check out my sheets, there is a section on Speed Sheet and it will show you the respective thresholds! also pinned in my discord discord.gg/WVXBkADypV
I don’t understand why Slow Bronya is considered a DPS increase over Fast Bronya. Fast Bronya is still giving her carry the same number of turns. If your team is super stacked I can see how she saves real world time by allowing your carry to go back to back for faster burst, but in a prolonged fight the dps should be the same right?
Excellent video Pokke! I have a question - my Dan Heng IL has a full nuke build and he is E6 (So he has his 100% action forwarding from his E2) and is slow (104 Speed), I have managed to get my Bronya 147 SPD, do you think this will work out nicely as a Fastya? maybe because DHIL is much slower? (she is using the 4x Wind Set with the 25% action advance on her ultimate). Thanks!
Hello, i'm using DHIL although he's E0. I use Fastya, she has 161 spd and DHIL has 114 spd ( coz muskeeter 4 set, crit rate with spd sub stat, and he's using atk boots ). It's work or not, it depends but for slower dps like DHIL / Blade, it will better coz it less sp hungry tbh I think it works, it makes less sp hungry
@@saskiazaaura My build is similar to yours and it works just fine until I enable autobattle and bronya just used all the skill points before IL can use fulgurant leap 😢
Perfect timing..I just got Bronya. Though I'm concerned. I heard slowy a if your dps doesn't use many skill points and moves quickly and fastya if the opposite. Where does Sushang E1 fall? She uses skill points sometimes and action advances.. Sometimes. So...hyperspeed bronya so she keeps ahead of Sushang and go EAEA when the enemy isn't broken and EEEE once they are? More than that. i was thinking of being able to swap between sushang and blade. Would the above work well enough (not min.maxing every last damage just looking for a good end goal)
Really depends on Team's Capability to Break Toughness Bars faster, where E1 Sushang could shine better. Even if Bronya has good Speed stats.....Sushang's Speed and ADVF passive can potentially overtake Bronya. You would only need to utilize Bronya's Skill on Sushang, whenever there's a "Toughness Broken" Enemy for E1 Sushang to take advantage of....(and a Spare Skill point, so Sushang can use a Skill) As long as you find yourself "Skill Cost Positive or Neutral" in Overall Team's Skill Point Usage, anything goes.
Ah, the meta gaming. I use a variant of fast-nya except I do it only with Silver Wolf. because yeah if it's with dps the balance becomes very rigid.. I only want double turn first turn in case that fucking 1% in Silver Wolf's fail effect application hits, anyway. Plus I use Seele, so that balance is guaranteed to be gone anyway.
I had just reached 145 speed on Bronya as i was following your Jing analysis for fast Bronya. However i lost the 50/50 for blade and now have E2 Bronya.. Now i have to time Jings ult to only go off after Bronya E else sometimes LL goes before Bronya.
Thanks for this video, was regretting rerolling for bronya bc i thought she's not good after playing her and decided to bench her, but when this video came out i realized she's the most broken character in the game 😂.
So with Bronya E0S1 for a team with a character like Seele E0S0, that uses a lot of SP and it's insanely fast, which option is better? I do think that the slowya it's hard to use because Seele have so much turns even without the resurgence proc that it's hard to keep generating SP.
in the case of a fast dps bronya should be slow just right after the dps. ofc the problem is the sp economy so you need the other two units to be sp+. in my case i use luocha and tingyun
This is quite unlikely since spd do have decimals that do get calculated in the action order… but if it’s the exact same spd there is a hidden mechanic. The members that are on the left of the team slot actually go first. So if you were to move Bronya to the left of the dps she would go first and vice versa. That way you just shove the character you want to go on the left of the other in team selection.
So which one should i use?, sonic bronya or speed tuning bronya?(my bronya speed 144 with E1 with her lightcone and my acheron speed is 136) "help me im stressing rn" 😢
Huh. I'm still trying to hit 160 spd and kinda gave up. My bronya is 142spd and I put atk and hp boots on Dan Heng IL and Blade. Too tired to speed tune when I already did it for Yukong. It seems to work fine tho 😂 idk I have her at 215cd and enough effect res to run broken keel it's insane trying to get 161spd with over 200cd and 30 effect res.
I don't have Bronya but in my opinion most of the time you will want to build Fastya since it is more skill point friendly. Slowya is much more annoying to build because you have to min-max her relics really well and that's not something low spenders/f2p can do all the time, also the dmg output Slowya provides is more likely for people who want to flex in MOC with 0 cycles or events. Fastya is way easier to build and she can fit in any teams even if you are not going for hyperspeed Fastya it is still more beneficial for you because of skill point neutral Conclusion: Fastya is everyone's friend. Slowya is when Bronya loses her bike from HI3 and has to walk when she becomes supreme guardian of belobog...
Fastya / hyperspeed are more sp friendly coz less using her skills, especially they just push her spd Slowya just for moc 0 cycles and faster dps, for dps sp hungry is kinda annoying to see it
I go with slownya 125 spd and my Blade 126 spd,I can clear moc 10 only need 3 turn all phase,while danheng il e2 need 6 turn 😂,my Blade c0 and bronya c0,don't waste your stamina to build bronya hyperspeed Its not worth it
Hi, I want to play slowya since I'm kinda new to the game and I'm confused on what to use for my team knowing that I only have bronya as a 5 star, however I have every 4 star and I'm trying to build a team with sushang but I feel like the sp cost may be too big, my current team is : -Bronya -Sushang -Serval -March Any tips on what I could change in my team? In the spreadsheet it's stated that you can run double harmony/nihility for OHKO so I was wondering if replacing serval and march with pela and tingyun would be a good idea or it would just be way too SP hungry
9:50 My Bronya right now is 166 speed. So the next breakpoint for me is 172 speed? I have to be very very lucky in some of my relics to get that though. Right now everything is like a double roll into speed, so to get like 6 more speed I need three artifacts that rolled around 3 times to speed. Unless I get even luckier and get high speed rolls.
Yeah I thing fast bronya and slow qingque is best. It means more skill points for QQ, more free tiles for QQ, and you can choose to skill or not depending on how the skill points and tiles are looking
4PC Eagle "25% Adv Forward per Burst" only works as intended.... when the Wearer uses their Burst AFTER they have taken action like basic attack or Skill and put their AV turn in 50-100 numbers. Coz you "cannot" push your Action Value beyond 0. Same goes for Dance 3x Harmony LC. Tho for Support Characters, it's hard not to spam their Burst Buffs ASAP, or holding off...just for the ADVforward to work effectively.
I totally can’t math haha, but I prefer running a 150-160 Bronya cause my Blade is stacked with CR + CD gears, waste not to go with it. Speed is ~106. In this regard what should the rotation of Bronya be? Just spam skill when I can? Thanks heaps
saw a video claiming it's the bis if you are using blade, since it buffs everything (attack, ult and counter) and not just one action. but you are losing on ult gain and sp regen so I really don't know if it is true, need some big brain to do the math
If below 133.4 then no 2 turn at first cycle. Not a big deal but just less comfy. If already below 133.4, less speed doesn’t matter that much, just less action value gained since her subsequent turns (gap is wider)
Okay… this depends on the character on god… I play Blade with e2 Bronya… the speed tuning for optimal damage is 160 Bronya with a 133 Blade. For blade she gives a 29.1 spd buff (30% of Blade’s base spd) and after the buffs he is greater than Bronya’s 160 spd for every turn after the skill. This way it essentially runs as a slownya build but the characters are faster… it’s called “hyper slownya” which sounds paradoxical but it’s the same rotation just faster… but if you lose the spd buff on Blade it’s annoying. You have to skill spam. This could be done with every dps but you have to make sure they are faster than Bronya after the buff. Also because the buff is after Bronya’s skill you don’t get the spd buff for most of the 0th cycle (for blade is this case he was running most of the track at 133 spd so the buff is backloaded for the cycle) but is best for every other cycle assuming 100% uptime which is easy if you have sp since it’s such a huge spd buff. Bronya essentially gets the spd buff from Asta’s kit usually around 20 spd less but can help reach insane speed break points…
New speed set relic, is more easier to use. 4pc Eagle set needs proper timing when to use Burst....because you cannot push your AV beyond 0. Which could make the 4pc Adv Forward passive pointless, if not used properly. Like you need to do a Basic attack or Skill first, then use Burst...if you wanna push Action Value forward properly.
Wait, so I got a E2 bronya (gives 30% speed with skill) and 143 speed. My blade is on hp% boots with 101 speed. While my Seele is 133 speed with atk% boots. Should I go with fastya? but seele would always be way faster that bronya after turn 1 because of her built in speed + the 30% speed buff 😵💫
will be discussing E2 bronya next video, but generally all E2 bronyas should aim for slowya, since the extra speed given to any DPS effectively reduces the AV advance amount from a Bronya E, since your DPS is now faster.
It's really about being the team being Skill Point Positive or Neutral. As long as Bronya could feed Seele's Skill usage or sometimes make Seele pay for her own Skill Cost via Basic attack....and Enemies are Slow, you are good.
So do you like Slowya or Fastya🗿
edit: energy for Slowya is changed to strength, as she can 3T ult with EEE (even if she cant 2T ult, but Bronya can't 3T ult with EAE unless higher Sig LC superimposition)
I would like to have a Bronya 🥲
At this moment for me is impossible to build Fastya, thats why I choose Slowya
I'm hoping for Tuning her into Slowya for Blade😊
hyperspeed
Fastya, she's faster than my Seele without the buff, but the hability to turn the battle at my favor is priceless, usually I buff Seele turn1 because if Seele doesn't have her ult already she probably will farm one anyways.
people flexing bronya with 150+ speed meanwhile i'm still struggle building bronya and dps to 134 speed💀
Ppl flexing with bronya. Meanwhile I’m still struggling with pulling her
@@kelp8749same bro, she is so good it hurts to not have her sometimes. Tingyun the goat tho.
I build Bronya with 153 spd tbh, but she's fast enough
Got 165 spd after months of farming 😂
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The Slowya and Fastya names reminds me of Warframe, which I haven't played in a long while but there's a frame called Nova who's can slow enemies down or speed them up depending on how you build her, and the respective builds are called Slowva and Fastva respectively. Just thought it was interesting and had a bit of nostalgia.
Slowva for assasination, etc. Fastva for farming like survival with Nekros, Hydron, Trinity. Or just farming exp on, what's that map called again. Grineer map. Back in the day when I play 6 -12 hours a day and never touch grass. rofl.
IDC, just staynax & Atlas Prime enjoyer
@@johnnyyespapa1368Back then I really want Prime Nyx but it was so expensive. Also farming Atlas but to no avail. Haha.
Warframe mentioned 🥳
@@nyx4074 Warframe perm ban me last month. For saying bad words. No first warning. Straight ban for saying bad words during argument. Not cheating
Essentially Slow (speedtuned) Bronya works really well with Hunt,
while Fast Bronya works good with Destruction and Erudition characters.
So my Bronya should be faster than my Blade
@@HollyClementine no with blade specifically you want your blade faster. youll get follow up attack a lot faster
@@Gobbygoblin For hyperspeed, I thought bronya spd = blade spd, no need spd boots for blade.
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Note that there is an upper limit for hyperspeed bronya which is around 1.7x your dps's speed (talent 10). This lets your bronya AE and get the maximum action gauge skip, but any higher than this and your bronya will go just before your dps and ruin her skill use. Most notably useful for slow dpses like blade with hp boots. Also, 160 speed lets your bronya do AAE on turn 0 and fill up exactly 150 AV which is a neat trick you can use for sp heavy teams.
this was actually rly helpful thx
With 160 bronya, can u do AAE on blade 126?
@yuuta.1013 with 126 blade use 125 bronya although 134 135 id better for moc. Hyperspeed bronya is 97 blade with hp boots with 160+ bronya. This allows aae on turn 1 and the e spam. AE bronya is not worth it with blade. Just e spam
@@s-zs7nn hmm, i can see ur point.
What if with double jingliu blade bronya? Kinda wanna go 160 bronya, 135ish jing, blade naked speed, and still kinda generating sp with bronya, while still be able to AE to jing or AE to blade depending on bosses weakness?
And yeah sacrificing blade since he's more of a follow up andy as long as jing got AE with bronya. Thought?
And maybe lil bit fyi, i want to use both anyway regardless in 1 team.
trying to build a hyper fastya is pain
love the content, in depth and easy to understand. great job on the pacing now, you're a lot clearer!
For Slowya I think e2 Dan Heng works really well because you can just basic attack when his talent is not active and stack all the multipliers after Bronya skill, this makes Dan Heng pretty much skill neutral.
Nooo... With E2 S1 DHIL you want Fastya.... Not slowya.... If it's E0 DHIL, you want slowya. Also, with E2 DHIL, you want to use Atk% boots over speed boots... Your DHIL will be slow. This is the optimal DHIL CN build
@@chilly2171 Dan Heng, not DHIL.
That 182% crit dam on welt is insane... and thats without factoring imaginary 4 piece bonus too...
This was the clearest explanation of Speed tuning I've come across, thank you for the guide!
I just go for as much speed as i can while having good pieces also on all characters, speed tunning is not f2p friendly at all as you need to min and max too much on relics , to be able to do it you need to sacrifice better relics to achieve a specific speed as a f2p/low spender as you wont have many relic pieces , that is not efficient for 90+% of players , having correct main stats, sub stats, relic sets, etc all come before speed tunning for most people. Is good to know the best breakpoints but not that usefull for people with limited resources that is pretty much everyone outside of spenders
It’s actually better to speed tune than using something with better substat for overall damage in most situations. The exception being if the gear you are switching out has really good substats. But you generally speed tune in relation to your dps and substats on supports generally mean much less.
As f2p, the best gear on your support probably has trash substats anyways so you aren’t losing much
Feel like the decision between fastya and slowya is dependent on the relics you get, its just not feasible for me to get Bronya that fast tbh so I have to go Slowya
I used to use Slownya, because it's more skill point efficient in heavy skill usage team. When I got Blade, I made her into Fastnya and it works too well since Blade rely more on his basic attack and he can followup attack more. I dunno how all this mechanic works but I feel Fastnya is better.
There's also Midya, the spot where she's Slowya for the fast characters like Seele, but Fastya for slow characters like Blade, around the mid 120s SPD mark. It isn't 'maximum value', but it lets you be 'good enough' to be a net positive no matter who you're bringing along as a DPS xD
And yes, that's where my Bronya sits :P
There's no real reason to run Blade slow with her though, being able to E every single turn allows you to lineup his counterattack/ulti for big burst windows.
@@Sam-up4ul its kinda hard to get blade to 135 I think since he got sutch low base speed
ayy thanks :) was looking for bronya speed tuning vids.
Finally!!! Thx Mr pokke I was waiting so long for this
here i am waiting to hit 300 pulls or getting lucky on standard to get bronya, looking forward to the day i get her
Lets meet again in half year, atleast
Yoo your guys get the queen?
@@Licitumz it has been 3 months and i have gotten an early welt on the standard, currently at 220 pulls. still a long way to go
@@javierlee7233 Use jade, do it!
update i just got her after losing 50 50, best day of my life
5:02 even after basic attack, Bronya should still be able to pull your main dps back ahead of her after 1 skill use. Yeah you waste the 100% forward of it but it still gives bonus damage. With the speed tuning, regardless of where Bronya is ahead of your dps, you can always pull the cycle back after 1 skill use.
Yes, exactly. I think it's a common misconception that Bronya speed-tuned to be slightly slower than your DPS is very punishing if your Bronya is forced to basic attack for whatever reason. It actually only messes up your speed tuning for one turn, not for the rest of combat. If your Bronya ends up going before your DPS then she can just use her skill to put both your DPS and Bronya at the same action value and, since your DPS is faster than your Bronya, your DPS's very next turn will be in front of Bronya again which means your speed tuning is fixed!
You right, my seele speed is below bronya, and its just take 1 turn to fix it after seele use skill, it comeback to where it is, this is also help me to manage my sp usage
i love analysis like this brings me back to college days
Thank you so much man. I didnt know which one to go with Blade. I am going Slowya all the way. Although I think Blade needs like 7 rolls and Its a little tricky to build that since I need 70% Crit rate for Rutilant Arena.
Don't forget, his 4 pc will gain 2 stacks on his first turn = 16% Crit Rate. Technically only need ~54%!
@@giddymac it's still a lot without his signature LC.
Then just use Salsotto, it's really not that much of the difference
@@linhlenguyen1749 yeah it's just that I wanted to Perma farm world 7 for easiness
@@Artwaltz7 Good luck chasing 70 crit and 135 spd without sig.
I'm vibing so much with the MH BGM, i can't really focus on the explanation 😂
Great guide! Thank you! Keep doing what you're doing!
134 is slow? Damn... I ain't shit. LOL
Its the optimal for Slowya, but any speed
Thanks for your explanation. It's really great 👍 hope I can get her soon 😢
love the monster hunter music in the background
You can also speed tune fastya technically, there's just no point with current characters. Your bronya needs to be extremely fast as essentially your carry's AV should be just over 17000/bronya speed, which even with slowest carry in the game (blade at 97 speed) would mean up to a 164 speed bronya. In this case, being a little slower isn't an issue (as this is a cap to bronya's speed, not a minimum threshold). Just wanted to point this out as you do mention hyperspeed bronya, and I think if you're at 160 speed anyways its probably worth looking into slowing down your main carry and having bronya do AEAE rotation.
With blade this is kinda pointless as he doesn't need bronya to generate that many skill points anyways, but maybe a dps in the future will be slow and SP hungry.
Could you tell me more about this and what else it requires? My Bronya right now is exactly 164 speed as you mentioned. And I think I'll be running this in the foreseeable future as my blade has practically zero Speed substats right now, as you mentioned 97 speed. In line with this, I think I should also max my talent, coz it's only level 3 rn, and optimally I will not be using this normally since I want to E to bump blade(or whoever else) up. I generally use them with luocha and SW/Pela too which seem SP positive enough.
@@uramis00
Blade with 97 speed = 103.09 AV
Bronya with 164 speed = 60.98
With L10 talent, she advances herself forward 30%, meaning bronya auto will put you back 164/7000 = 42.68
added up, this means that bronya auto + skill is *just* slower than blade.
Basically it makes bronya + carry rotation look like this:
60.98 - Bronya auto, next action at 103.66
103.09 - Blade
103.66 - Bronya skill blade
@@zaedulus5307 thats sick. Thanks foe the explanation. Guess i'll go live in the harmony farm for a bit.
I wanna ask, for Seele 122 spd + 25% = 152. Bronya 134 is ok right?
Or i need to up the spd a bit?
Or another alternative.... Fastya?????
Very thourogh analysis, thanks for the info
just finish my bronya spd tune, she is exactly 134 spd. But fk me my Blade is 133 spd after the build :(
better start hunting for that +2 O7
@@mrpokkee ikr :( it's painful tho
You really need great luck to get Blade at 134 🥲
the monster hunter bg music really got me nostalgic 🥲
personally i go spdy build on bronya for that free sp. I don't think her build really matter when cc or pushback or even a random turn push will ruin the turn order regardless of how you're trying to manage her speed.
Wow 134 is slownya, then my 99 bronya is snailnya
Also question, my bronya is e2 and i am having blade with 100spd since i run hp on his boots, what is the best bronya can i build for blade, the slow or fast, also what is the best relic and lc? Sorry if this so much
Go with fast. The main thing with slownya is both her and the main DPS(on this case blade) hitting that 134 threshold for 4 blade actions on turn 0. HP boots on blade makes it almost impossible to hit 135spd (since Bronya wants to get to 134 spd)
I suspect this means that if you spend the time to grind up a Hyperspeed Bronya she'll be applicable for most characters in the game. I'd rather suffer through one excruciating grind than have to worry about speed subs on any future DPS I might pull.
A bit late but exactly my thoughts. I tend to save up for chars I like (not their kits), so I dont rly pull for that many supports, Bronya (who i will get in the standard banner exchange) or Tingyun or Yukong will be main supports for almost every team I hv. In this case, I am going to aim for a hyperspeed Bronya bc I aint hv that much resource and time to speed tune for every DPS I hv, plus fewer restrictions when building future DPS
very easy to understand love ur video, can u talk about sampoo in near future before kafka if possible so we can decide to build him or not when kafka come. ur video make my team build way more easy and fun
I just got her a couple of days ago and was very excited but I quickly realized it was a bit more tricky to build her to support my Seele. I keep ending up with Bronya going directly before her which totally negates the advance forward part of her kit... I think Yukong emotionally scarred me with that bs. Building a perfectly speed tuned set for a Slowya build is simply not something I'm willing to do. I despise the longevous/hackerspace domain after being stuck in there for 3 days straight (can't be auto'd without Gepard+Luocha and with them it takes 10min per run -.-). I guess I will just have to do a happy-go-lucky Fastya build and see if I can figure out a good rotation that is sp neutral, cause it's kinda cringe to E Seele and then there are no sp left.
personally i have special speed tuning for her. I use the wind set and when i need my bronya to be faster, i use ult and E, when i need to be slower, i use ult *only during her turn* so she doesnt gain any advanced action. Also i have speed boots and atk boots for different occasions
A few questions to clarify,
SlowYa: Spd 134, DPS Spd: 135, Spam Bronya skill every turn. In total DPS attack 4 times 1st turn.
DPS skill > Bronya skill > DPS skill > Basic atk > Basic atk > DPS skill > Bronya skill > DPS skill
If not using Blade, we will be using 6 SP while generating 2 SP from the other 2 party members in the 1st turn. Is this correct?
HyperYa: Spd 160, DPS Spd: Low(use atk boots), Spam Bronya skill every turn. In total Bronya goes 4 times within 2 turns, then goes 7 times within 4 turns.
What does "Bronya goes 4 times within 2 turns" means? 1st turn Bronya goes twice then 2nd turn Bronya go twice again?
1) yeap, thats how slowya works!
2) bronya can go 4 times in 2 turns if she hits 160, as thats the threshold for any unit to go twice in first turn, and twice in 2nd turn. same for 7 times in 4 turns, part of the threshold (156).
@@mrpokkee thanks for the clarification
@@mrpokkeeDoes the requirement for 160 speed threshhold get reduced, if Bronya has the Advance Forward Talent?
Or it's still the same 160 speed for any character, regardless of ADV forward passives?
Can you compare the damage between a Fastya + Blade with HP boots vs Slowya + Blade with SPD boots?
I'm guessing that when you're running a Fastya or Hyperspeed, Blade wouldn't really need extra SPD.
Bump, I’d like this as well, currently running slowya and blade with speed boots
i am 99% sure the calcs shown in the video for the dmg comperasing between hyperspeed and slowya are for blade with hp boots vs blade with speed boots
@mrpokkee Could you confirm this? A couple of us are curious about that damage chart.
My field team was 156 speed hyper bronya with 106 speed blade, 148 speed sw, 150 speed luocha (auto all content with this team), and all i can say is, hyper speed bronya always use skill, it doesnt matter how low your sp is as long you can skill, you will use it. If you need more skill point, just let other unit to normal attack. Hyper fast bronya + slow blade + super fast luocha + super fast other unit for sp refill is very easy to do anything.
its not about deal high dps. its about fking taking damageeee from enemie!!!!! - Brotank
I have e2 bronya and with 134 speed what speed do I need for fast bronya if I auto attack first turn and then buff my dps in the same cycle b4 the enemy turn? Because after I use my skill I'm to slow to do that on the second cycle
Holy shiet, my brain just melted
As battle pass spender, any relic with good mainstat and substat will do ☠️😃
How does E2 affect her speed requirents? Is it best to build a fast Bronya and start with A, then spam E, assuming the DPS overtakes her with the SPD buff?
I build Fastya with 4pc Wind and Sponwacq, her ult is basically up nostop because of it.
Thank you for explanation, coz i build fast Bronya 161 spd with my IL
question...if the speed of slowya is above 134 aka 135/136 and your dps is 137/138 does the two attacks in 1st turn still apply?
yeap, as long as it is within the speed threshold. do check out my sheets, there is a section on Speed Sheet and it will show you the respective thresholds! also pinned in my discord discord.gg/WVXBkADypV
First. Been waiting for this one
I don’t understand why Slow Bronya is considered a DPS increase over Fast Bronya. Fast Bronya is still giving her carry the same number of turns.
If your team is super stacked I can see how she saves real world time by allowing your carry to go back to back for faster burst, but in a prolonged fight the dps should be the same right?
Slowya can focus on crit dmg sub stats, which increases dmg on dps. Fastya sacrifices crit dmg sub stats for spd
my Seele speed is 121, should I build Fastya or Slowya? (what's relics should I use instead of the wind set)
Excellent video Pokke! I have a question - my Dan Heng IL has a full nuke build and he is E6 (So he has his 100% action forwarding from his E2) and is slow (104 Speed), I have managed to get my Bronya 147 SPD, do you think this will work out nicely as a Fastya? maybe because DHIL is much slower? (she is using the 4x Wind Set with the 25% action advance on her ultimate). Thanks!
Hello, i'm using DHIL although he's E0. I use Fastya, she has 161 spd and DHIL has 114 spd ( coz muskeeter 4 set, crit rate with spd sub stat, and he's using atk boots ). It's work or not, it depends but for slower dps like DHIL / Blade, it will better coz it less sp hungry tbh
I think it works, it makes less sp hungry
@@saskiazaaura My build is similar to yours and it works just fine until I enable autobattle and bronya just used all the skill points before IL can use fulgurant leap 😢
That's why i never turn on auto with Dan Heng IL @@hidekazu8895
Love u content with some change my blade deal almost x 1.5 dam lol
Perfect timing..I just got Bronya.
Though I'm concerned. I heard slowy a if your dps doesn't use many skill points and moves quickly and fastya if the opposite.
Where does Sushang E1 fall? She uses skill points sometimes and action advances.. Sometimes.
So...hyperspeed bronya so she keeps ahead of Sushang and go EAEA when the enemy isn't broken and EEEE once they are?
More than that. i was thinking of being able to swap between sushang and blade. Would the above work well enough (not min.maxing every last damage just looking for a good end goal)
Really depends on Team's Capability to Break Toughness Bars faster, where E1 Sushang could shine better.
Even if Bronya has good Speed stats.....Sushang's Speed and ADVF passive can potentially overtake Bronya.
You would only need to utilize Bronya's Skill on Sushang, whenever there's a "Toughness Broken" Enemy for E1 Sushang to take advantage of....(and a Spare Skill point, so Sushang can use a Skill)
As long as you find yourself "Skill Cost Positive or Neutral" in Overall Team's Skill Point Usage, anything goes.
Ah, the meta gaming. I use a variant of fast-nya except I do it only with Silver Wolf. because yeah if it's with dps the balance becomes very rigid..
I only want double turn first turn in case that fucking 1% in Silver Wolf's fail effect application hits, anyway. Plus I use Seele, so that balance is guaranteed to be gone anyway.
I really love fast tuned bronya cuz i have e1 so i could bring 2 heavy sp dps
I had just reached 145 speed on Bronya as i was following your Jing analysis for fast Bronya. However i lost the 50/50 for blade and now have E2 Bronya.. Now i have to time Jings ult to only go off after Bronya E else sometimes LL goes before Bronya.
Thanks for this video, was regretting rerolling for bronya bc i thought she's not good after playing her and decided to bench her, but when this video came out i realized she's the most broken character in the game 😂.
Step 1 : Have Bronya
Step 2 : Cope
Appreciate what you are doing, especially your sheet, very detail and complicated.
So with Bronya E0S1 for a team with a character like Seele E0S0, that uses a lot of SP and it's insanely fast, which option is better? I do think that the slowya it's hard to use because Seele have so much turns even without the resurgence proc that it's hard to keep generating SP.
Fastya so u can do some basic attack and become sp natural at least
Slownya is sp negative so ur sp management gonna be harder
in the case of a fast dps bronya should be slow just right after the dps. ofc the problem is the sp economy so you need the other two units to be sp+. in my case i use luocha and tingyun
For what i get, Slownya for seele is viable after you unlock E1, S1 is just bonus. So yeah....
fast or slow bronya for jingliu?
But what if the dps and bronya has the same speed?
This is quite unlikely since spd do have decimals that do get calculated in the action order… but if it’s the exact same spd there is a hidden mechanic.
The members that are on the left of the team slot actually go first. So if you were to move Bronya to the left of the dps she would go first and vice versa. That way you just shove the character you want to go on the left of the other in team selection.
So which one should i use?, sonic bronya or speed tuning bronya?(my bronya speed 144 with E1 with her lightcone and my acheron speed is 136) "help me im stressing rn" 😢
Huh. I'm still trying to hit 160 spd and kinda gave up. My bronya is 142spd and I put atk and hp boots on Dan Heng IL and Blade. Too tired to speed tune when I already did it for Yukong. It seems to work fine tho 😂 idk I have her at 215cd and enough effect res to run broken keel it's insane trying to get 161spd with over 200cd and 30 effect res.
I don't have Bronya but in my opinion most of the time you will want to build Fastya since it is more skill point friendly. Slowya is much more annoying to build because you have to min-max her relics really well and that's not something low spenders/f2p can do all the time, also the dmg output Slowya provides is more likely for people who want to flex in MOC with 0 cycles or events.
Fastya is way easier to build and she can fit in any teams even if you are not going for hyperspeed Fastya it is still more beneficial for you because of skill point neutral
Conclusion: Fastya is everyone's friend. Slowya is when Bronya loses her bike from HI3 and has to walk when she becomes supreme guardian of belobog...
Fastya / hyperspeed are more sp friendly coz less using her skills, especially they just push her spd
Slowya just for moc 0 cycles and faster dps, for dps sp hungry is kinda annoying to see it
Still trying to get my slowya to 162 speed so she can catch up to my seele
So with all things considered would you personally build a slowya or fastya for standard seele?
Can never go wrong on fast bron
Question : to clarify, fastnya AEAE = 150-160 speed
Hyperspeed = 160+ ?
I go with slownya 125 spd and my Blade 126 spd,I can clear moc 10 only need 3 turn all phase,while danheng il e2 need 6 turn 😂,my Blade c0 and bronya c0,don't waste your stamina to build bronya hyperspeed Its not worth it
why?
You using e and c at the same time T - T
What is with Jing Yuan? Not even a mentioning? He will have a rerun banner so soon!
Hi, I want to play slowya since I'm kinda new to the game and I'm confused on what to use for my team knowing that I only have bronya as a 5 star, however I have every 4 star and I'm trying to build a team with sushang but I feel like the sp cost may be too big, my current team is :
-Bronya
-Sushang
-Serval
-March
Any tips on what I could change in my team? In the spreadsheet it's stated that you can run double harmony/nihility for OHKO so I was wondering if replacing serval and march with pela and tingyun would be a good idea or it would just be way too SP hungry
Man, I'm not used to big braining, in genshin it's mostly just random bullsh*t go! and in star rail it's big brain go!
Do you have suggestion to how to speed tunner her and the DPS when the DPS can self-buff SPD? Characters like Dan Heng for example.
Dan Heng b4, she's better in slowya tbh but Dan Heng IL she should hyperspeed or faster minimal
I build her hyperspeed coz Dan Heng IL is sp hungry
wait so fast bronya is still slow bronya in e2 seele comps right? I can just run 134 bronya?
yeap!
I tuned my bronya slower and dan heng faster, now i manage to clear moc 10 in 6 cycle
9:50 My Bronya right now is 166 speed. So the next breakpoint for me is 172 speed? I have to be very very lucky in some of my relics to get that though. Right now everything is like a double roll into speed, so to get like 6 more speed I need three artifacts that rolled around 3 times to speed. Unless I get even luckier and get high speed rolls.
Yeap, all the best but 166 is already incredible.
Does Fastya make sense for Qingque (Low spd dps, high sp cost)? Or is it more complicated than that?
Yeah I thing fast bronya and slow qingque is best. It means more skill points for QQ, more free tiles for QQ, and you can choose to skill or not depending on how the skill points and tiles are looking
Fast Bronya's gotta feed your Qingque's Gambling addiction.
Maybe atleast one Skill point eaten by Qingque, if you have her E4.
So memories of the past and cogs both dont proc with E, only A?
yeap
im a bit confused on the fastya begginer speed, if i were to go hp boots blade with >100 speed, should i go 121 speed on bronya?
MrPokke which relic set do you recommend Hackerspace or Eagle of Twilight?
will discuss next video, but hackerspace is good for general purpose!
4PC Eagle "25% Adv Forward per Burst" only works as intended....
when the Wearer uses their Burst AFTER they have taken action like basic attack or Skill and put their AV turn in 50-100 numbers.
Coz you "cannot" push your Action Value beyond 0.
Same goes for Dance 3x Harmony LC.
Tho for Support Characters, it's hard not to spam their Burst Buffs ASAP, or holding off...just for the ADVforward to work effectively.
You dont need 160 for the speed breakpoint because of av right? So isnt the speed breakpoint lowered?
Me who still don't have bronya only smol bronya
I totally can’t math haha, but I prefer running a 150-160 Bronya cause my Blade is stacked with CR + CD gears, waste not to go with it. Speed is ~106. In this regard what should the rotation of Bronya be? Just spam skill when I can? Thanks heaps
would planetary s5 for bronya be better than s1 sig when using her with blade for slowya comps?
saw a video claiming it's the bis if you are using blade, since it buffs everything (attack, ult and counter) and not just one action. but you are losing on ult gain and sp regen so I really don't know if it is true, need some big brain to do the math
I have Selee so slow bronya bc she don't need speed and bronya have to be slower than her
I have an e3 bronya and her lightcone. I'm planning to pair her with Jingliu. How should i build them? Thanks
What's ur JL speed
@@saskiazaaura currently 130 I'm farming relocs for her
@@fieltpenn3423 Maybe you can increase her spd a few until 135, and ur Bronya is 134 tbh
What should I do if my Fastya is E4S1 and she's speeding up my dps? D:
You need more SPD For your DPS.
(138+(97×.3))−(134+(99×.33))>0 You need Blade 138SPD for Bronya's Talent lvl 12
Also |(138+(97×.3))−(164+(99×.33))|
So whats best to use with Blade?
Does E2 Bronya change anything?
Is that monster hunter bg music? 😮
pokke village :)
@@mrpokkee the nostalgia of MH portable 3rd and Unite 💯
what does CN meaning?
But why 1 speed slower and not any speed slower? I don’t understand.
If below 133.4 then no 2 turn at first cycle. Not a big deal but just less comfy.
If already below 133.4, less speed doesn’t matter that much, just less action value gained since her subsequent turns (gap is wider)
should slowya use eagle set?
will be discussing relics next video, but no. eagle ruins bronya AV, pushing her before the DPS and ruins speed tuning of DPS>Bronya>DPS
How would you speed tune an E2 Bronya?
Okay… this depends on the character on god… I play Blade with e2 Bronya… the speed tuning for optimal damage is 160 Bronya with a 133 Blade. For blade she gives a 29.1 spd buff (30% of Blade’s base spd) and after the buffs he is greater than Bronya’s 160 spd for every turn after the skill.
This way it essentially runs as a slownya build but the characters are faster… it’s called “hyper slownya” which sounds paradoxical but it’s the same rotation just faster… but if you lose the spd buff on Blade it’s annoying. You have to skill spam.
This could be done with every dps but you have to make sure they are faster than Bronya after the buff. Also because the buff is after Bronya’s skill you don’t get the spd buff for most of the 0th cycle (for blade is this case he was running most of the track at 133 spd so the buff is backloaded for the cycle) but is best for every other cycle assuming 100% uptime which is easy if you have sp since it’s such a huge spd buff.
Bronya essentially gets the spd buff from Asta’s kit usually around 20 spd less but can help reach insane speed break points…
@@thederp9309 so I think this means that we have to run the dps on speed boots?
What is the recommended relic for hyperspeed bronya?
The new speed set of course
New speed set relic, is more easier to use.
4pc Eagle set needs proper timing when to use Burst....because you cannot push your AV beyond 0.
Which could make the 4pc Adv Forward passive pointless, if not used properly.
Like you need to do a Basic attack or Skill first, then use Burst...if you wanna push Action Value forward properly.
4 set messenger
@@saskiazaaura better use 2 pc hackerspace and other 2 pc rather than full 4 pc
Wait, so I got a E2 bronya (gives 30% speed with skill) and 143 speed. My blade is on hp% boots with 101 speed. While my Seele is 133 speed with atk% boots. Should I go with fastya? but seele would always be way faster that bronya after turn 1 because of her built in speed + the 30% speed buff 😵💫
will be discussing E2 bronya next video, but generally all E2 bronyas should aim for slowya, since the extra speed given to any DPS effectively reduces the AV advance amount from a Bronya E, since your DPS is now faster.
@@mrpokkee Ohhh, got it. Then the 4pc speed set is not good for an E2 bronya? or its the same?
It's really about being the team being Skill Point Positive or Neutral.
As long as Bronya could feed Seele's Skill usage or sometimes make Seele pay for her own Skill Cost via Basic attack....and Enemies are Slow, you are good.
Love your videos but your music is so depressing sounding
slowya, fastya, we still gonna killya
E2 bronya c0 , 154 speed 148% crit damage , f2p. Norm?
I on god have the same… except I have 199% crit DMG… I too am a F2P
I'm the advocate of slowya!🫡🔥