@@averyparticularsetofskills don't you dare leave Oldsmobile out of there. And I think you know of a '58 that'll have some Fury if you forget Plymouth.
Has been on my "bucket list" forever. Loved the first one I saw back in the '70s, and always thought I would want only one of the original ones. But I'd sure be open to a II after seeing this great specimen.
People can say what they want about Studebaker but Studebaker was way ahead of the curve in luxury, performance and styling. The problem was they were just too darn expensive to buy.
My old mechanic was a stock drag racer in the late 60s/70s. He had a Copo 427 Camaro, 427 stingray, and a 442 along with an Avanti. He told me outside of the Copo, the Aventi was easily the next fastest when you replaced the rear tires. What a strange car.
Sounds like a Winner !!! To bad they didn't build more of them !! I've been going to car shows in the East for 30+ yrs and these are hard to come by !!
They built them from the late 60s into the 80s, but, like everything else, they lost their performance and became "personal luxury" cars. (Not counting the later versions, that no longer had Studebaker derived bodies, those lasted until around 2000). Weirdly, the Avanti II was not qualified as an AACA approved vehicle until recently. The club deemed it a "tribute" car, so it wasn't allowed to be shown at sanctioned events.
Some real go power to go with that wonderful body! Purists might want that old 289, but the 327 Chevy made this thing a real rocket! ( as well as tons of parts to further mod the mill )
It's an all-American design by Bob Andrews, John Ebstein, and Tom Kellogg, supervised by Franco-American industrial designer Raymond Loewy. The original Studebaker engine allowed the blower to be mounted lower for a flatter hood, and Granatelli wouldn't let an R-3 (five liter supercharged) engine leave his shop 'til it had made 411 horsepower on the dyno.
The R3 initially made 335 bhp with the smaller 289-size displacement. With the 304.5-cid upgrade and consequently the 411 horses you mention it became the R4 engine. A second Paxton supercharger raised the output to 575 bhp. Both of the 5.0-liter engines were experimental.
I've always dug Avantis...ever since our neighbor had a frost white one in about '67. Lot of folks think they're ugly...not me man. I'd LOVE to have one with the small block Chev and that Paxton blower. Too bad they never hardly publish the quarter mile times in these Lindemann reviews.
Either the most expensive American car of its' time or in second place behind the Cadillac factory limo. You got what you paid for. One detail that stuck out to me seeing a mid '80s example at a show was how some parts were beautifully designed and very early-60s in style (the chrome pop-out window hardware) while others were '80s off-the-shelf, high-end where it counts (Recaro seats). I suspect they moved from one to the other as original parts stocks Studebaker ordered in 1962 ran out. I know Newman and Altman's deal to buy the Avanti included the entire factory parts reserve and they turned everything for the older Studes, Lark and derivatives and Packards over to the owners' clubs.
I used to love those cars. In the mid-1980s I worked at Crestmont Cadillac in Beachwood Ohio near Cleveland and we were an Avante dealer when Steve Blake owned the company. I think I probably broke a record as a young mid-20s guy, I sold 4 Avanti's in one year. I love those cars, I believed in them. It was before the convertible came out they were all hard tops. Two were standards and the other two or upgraded and off the top of my head I don't remember what the difference was but I believe they had Recaro seats in them. And of course I made a fortune on commissions.
I’m so glad someone saved the Avanti! I believe there are actually three types. The first of course was the original. The second, like the test car was known as the Avanti II, plus I’m not sure if production stopped or not, but I have seen later models, like a 1984? 4 door Avanti, that was built on a Chevy platform with a 307!
Yes, Avanti came back to life in the 80's for a while, with 305 Chevy power. I saw one racing the Escort Showroom Stock Endurance Championship series in ~1984. It handled quite well because Herb Adams did the suspension tuning.
@@annecook9101 yea you might have a point there with the weird bumpers and the “softened” interior. But there were a small number of 4 dr’s made, that are actually quite sharp and actually hold less value!
The original Studebaker offering was no slouch! It was available with a R-3 304 CID supercharged engine that would hit 160 with ease! I had a Gran Turismo Hawk with the R-3 option. The Hawk was several hundred pounds heavier than the Avanti, but would peg the 160 MPH speedometer! As I recall my R-3 Avanti powered Hawk was one of less than 100 so equipped. Interestingly, all the Avanti engine options were available in the entire Studebaker line! Even the most plain jane models! That really gave one a chance to have a real "sleeper"! The Avanti engines did have some internal upgrades such as cam and other things not found in the stock 289 engines!
This body design isn't Italian; it was designed by a team led by RAYMOND LOEWY. It was INSPIRED by Italian designs; however Mr. Lindemann gets a break on this because he was reviewing an early example and basing his information on the manufacturer's information.
Drew some cues from the '61 Lincoln (blade leading edges to the front corners) and Loewy's own custom BMW, Cadillac, and Jaguar coupes. Loewy's Avanti team included Bob Andrews and John Ebstein (who had fled the Nazis in the late thirties), both of whom were long-time Studebaker designers, and Tom Kellogg, a brilliant young designer with a fine eye for a good line and experience designing Fiberglas hulls for speedboats. If you look at an original Avanti, you'll have a hard time spotting even one straight line among the compound curve surfaces.
This is not a Studebaker. It’s an Avanti 2.. studebaker stopped making vehicles in America December 1st 1963. I hate it when people say the avanti 2 or the avanti motor co cars are Studebakers..
Hmm maybe I figured out my own question. I always wondered why they looked like they sit a little high in the nose. Since the 327 was 100 pounds lighter, did they keep the same front springs? I’d guess yes.
Newman & Altman didn't like the genuine Avanti's "droop-snoot" look (which was good for allowing less air under the car), so they changed the body mounts, IIRC, to get it level. Of course, it was no longer going to be the fastest production car, but they owned the factory, and could build it the way they wanted.
Well, it's either an Avanti II or a Studebaker Avanti. The "Italian body design" was styled in Palm Springs, California by three American designers working under the leadership of French born Raymond Loewy. the cars were expensive and Studebaker had production problems that made it impossible for them to meet the demand upon the car's introduction. It was widely liked for its styling but was truly a Lark in a gilded cage which was an inauspicious beginning. Despite the chassis limitations, Studebaker was able to make a good handling car and the addition of standard caliper disc brakes was inspired. I like the car, but the video was nonsense.
Corvette 327's came in 250, 300, 350, 365, and 375hp. The HP rating of this supercharged engine 300hp, ok I get why they would use the lowest compression engine but why bother when the 365 was only listed as cost $129.15 more back then? Only $107.60 the top hydraulic lifter version.
What year is this car? I think the reason for going with the supercharger was to bring back the nostalgia and oem feel that the factory Studebaker came with one
They weren't absorbed. They merged with Packard in the late 50's and stumbled along until 1966, then went out of business. The Avanti was their big attempt at igniting interest in the brand by injecting exotic design. I think the body style has stood the test of time.
@@andyharman3022 You're also mistaken. Studebaker did not go out of business after 1966. They ended the automotive division and focused on their other holdings that they had been acquiring since 1959. These included Franklin appliances, STP products, Gravely tractors, and Onan generators. The Studebaker Corporation continued at least until the early 2000s. I think the last remnants of it finally died recently.
@@jakekaywell5972 You are correct. Studebaker's Board of Directors allowed an experiment to continue building the cars at their Canadian plant in part to avoid lawsuits from franchised dealers but also because the break even point was bout 20,000 cars which they thought they could meet with the smaller plant. They didn't produce quire enough cars - got close - but the car business isn't horseshoes. Their other businesses were producing profits. They went in the right direction.
@@andyharman3022 Packard bought Studebaker, it was not a merger. Studebaker's finances were terrible but Packard, unwilling to deal with the far more successful American Motors, did not review Studebaker's financial situation sufficiently. Had a few less egos been in the way, all might have survived. AMC remained independent until acquired by Chrysler in 1987.
I really love these muscle cars and even more the ships of the 50s, but their handling is absolutely horrible! Even 10 HP are too much for these chassis! A Citroen 2 CV is in corners like a racing car compared to this extremely dangerous handling!
How did it do over 170 miles per hour on the salt and become the fastest production car in the world if it handled so bad And was so dangerous? I don't think of everyone heard of one of these rolling over or crashing.
@@7x779 Well, I love these cars, but leave springs, rigid axle on the rear, drum brakes,. 70% of the weight on the front axle etc. are not the best equipment for well handling cars.
Chevy Avanti II is what they should have named this. After Studebaker folded in 1964, they continued making Avantis in Canada, but didn't refer to them as Studebakers... Just a little bit of background on Avantis. Bud Lindeman always had really good reviews on automobiles, and this was one of them. R.I.P. Mr. Lindeman!
Better than the modern hipster videos with a guy wearing a flat brim Monster Energy hat pulled way down covering the top of his ears and one of those ridiculous man beards. You just look dumb. I bet hipster guy listens to Nickelback.
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The loss of Studebaker was one of Americas tragedys.
They made good cars for the time.
Nah
Yeah right up there with The Packard, the Delorean, Pontiac,🇺🇸 JFK 🇺🇸
-and the Vector- .
@@averyparticularsetofskills don't you dare leave Oldsmobile out of there. And I think you know of a '58 that'll have some Fury if you forget Plymouth.
You forgot to mention American Motors, Packard, Willys, Nash, Hudson and Kaiser. Those losses we're tragedies as well.
Without question it is perhaps the most unique and distinct American cars ever produced .
I can think of a number of models that deserve that title
Love mine
Has been on my "bucket list" forever. Loved the first one I saw back in the '70s, and always thought I would want only one of the original ones. But I'd sure be open to a II after seeing this great specimen.
I'd say it's second to the Auburn Cord
The 53-56 Commander and Champion are both gorgeous and unique as well.
The bongos at beginning let you know this is an exotic auto.
That "Twin Traction" differential sure did a good imitation of an open differential.
Where did you see TT in this vid ?
Must have been an option...
@@kickahaw 5:15
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What a neat car! The braking is by far the best I've seen on any of these Bud Lindemann videos
Yeah really good brakes
If you were lucky enough to see the uniqueness of this machine back then, you definitely had/have a good eye for classics.
Studebaker was ahead of it's time we're excellent cars
People can say what they want about Studebaker but Studebaker was way ahead of the curve in luxury, performance and styling. The problem was they were just too darn expensive to buy.
That little 327 sounds awesome.
Yeah...it sounds mean!
mark krul(+_+)(+_+)B-)O:-)
HeavilyArmedGoy from reading prior comments and the ‘V8’ sounds from the straight 6 Jaguar..all these sounds are edited in. I was horrified!
I tore a rotator cuff just listening to those bongos..
Those are Tom Tom drums...lol
Limited slip rear end....smoke em if you got em!
Of all these old Car and Track videos, this car had one of the best exhaust notes! V8 music, very American...
The engine sound was dubbed on top. Even the Jaguar 6 cylinder sounded like a v8.
My old mechanic was a stock drag racer in the late 60s/70s. He had a Copo 427 Camaro, 427 stingray, and a 442 along with an Avanti. He told me outside of the Copo, the Aventi was easily the next fastest when you replaced the rear tires. What a strange car.
One of the better "muscle cars" of the era
Sounds like a Winner !!!
To bad they didn't build more of them !!
I've been going to car shows in the East for 30+ yrs and these are hard to come by !!
They built them from the late 60s into the 80s, but, like everything else, they lost their performance and became "personal luxury" cars. (Not counting the later versions, that no longer had Studebaker derived bodies, those lasted until around 2000).
Weirdly, the Avanti II was not qualified as an AACA approved vehicle until recently. The club deemed it a "tribute" car, so it wasn't allowed to be shown at sanctioned events.
@@seed_drill7135 Thanks for that info !
Some real go power to go with that wonderful body! Purists might want that old 289, but the 327 Chevy made this thing a real rocket! ( as well as tons of parts to further mod the mill )
The power was available from the Studebaker R3 supercharged Granatelli mill that went 170 at Bonneville. Just got shut down early.
It's an all-American design by Bob Andrews, John Ebstein, and Tom Kellogg, supervised by Franco-American industrial designer Raymond Loewy. The original Studebaker engine allowed the blower to be mounted lower for a flatter hood, and Granatelli wouldn't let an R-3 (five liter supercharged) engine leave his shop 'til it had made 411 horsepower on the dyno.
The R3 initially made 335 bhp with the smaller 289-size displacement. With the 304.5-cid upgrade and consequently the 411 horses you mention it became the R4 engine. A second Paxton supercharger raised the output to 575 bhp. Both of the 5.0-liter engines were experimental.
I've always dug Avantis...ever since our neighbor had a frost white one in about '67. Lot of folks think they're ugly...not me man. I'd LOVE to have one with the small block Chev and that Paxton blower. Too bad they never hardly publish the quarter mile times in these Lindemann reviews.
Italian body design done by a Frenchman with USA citizenship (Raymond Loewy)
@Ashley Sutherland: Or shorty said: A Jew!
And in Palm Springs!
Either the most expensive American car of its' time or in second place behind the Cadillac factory limo. You got what you paid for. One detail that stuck out to me seeing a mid '80s example at a show was how some parts were beautifully designed and very early-60s in style (the chrome pop-out window hardware) while others were '80s off-the-shelf, high-end where it counts (Recaro seats). I suspect they moved from one to the other as original parts stocks Studebaker ordered in 1962 ran out. I know Newman and Altman's deal to buy the Avanti included the entire factory parts reserve and they turned everything for the older Studes, Lark and derivatives and Packards over to the owners' clubs.
Would love to see it on modern performance tires.
I got one with good tires. Still scares the crap out of me.
The beauty of this beast makes it easy to overlook the shortcomings.
In all my days I've spoken to perhaps 8 or 9 Avanti owners and none of them had a bad thing to say about them. Only praise.
I'm curious, Mike, were those all Avanti II owners you've met, or were some original Studebaker owners?
@@trudygreer2491 - most all of them were Avanti 2. The most recent of them being a 98 or 99 model, if memory serves me correctly.
I used to love those cars.
In the mid-1980s I worked at Crestmont Cadillac in Beachwood Ohio near Cleveland and we were an Avante dealer when Steve Blake owned the company.
I think I probably broke a record as a young mid-20s guy, I sold 4 Avanti's in one year.
I love those cars, I believed in them.
It was before the convertible came out they were all hard tops.
Two were standards and the other two or upgraded and off the top of my head I don't remember what the difference was but I believe they had Recaro seats in them. And of course I made a fortune on commissions.
Wow that track footage was shot at Grattan, when it was new.
I’m so glad someone saved the Avanti! I believe there are actually three types. The first of course was the original. The second, like the test car was known as the Avanti II, plus I’m not sure if production stopped or not, but I have seen later models, like a 1984? 4 door Avanti, that was built on a Chevy platform with a 307!
Yes, Avanti came back to life in the 80's for a while, with 305 Chevy power. I saw one racing the Escort Showroom Stock Endurance Championship series in ~1984. It handled quite well because Herb Adams did the suspension tuning.
I don't think the third iteration was as sharp. I understand it was made into the early '90s.
@@annecook9101 yea you might have a point there with the weird bumpers and the “softened” interior. But there were a small number of 4 dr’s made, that are actually quite sharp and actually hold less value!
The original Studebaker offering was no slouch! It was available with a R-3 304 CID supercharged engine that would hit 160 with ease! I had a Gran Turismo Hawk with the R-3 option. The Hawk was several hundred pounds heavier than the Avanti, but would peg the 160 MPH speedometer! As I recall my R-3 Avanti powered Hawk was one of less than 100 so equipped. Interestingly, all the Avanti engine options were available in the entire Studebaker line! Even the most plain jane models! That really gave one a chance to have a real "sleeper"! The Avanti engines did have some internal upgrades such as cam and other things not found in the stock 289 engines!
Very true! The R-4 was no slouch either!
@@karlkamphefner8529 Never had any contact with the R-4. As I recall it had 4 carbs?
Probably just as few as the R-3, maybe even fewer.
@@karlkamphefner8529 I'd say fewer. Over the years I encountered a couple of R-3s, never saw a R-4.
Love it sounds good avanti lit up those tires 🔥
This body design isn't Italian; it was designed by a team led by RAYMOND LOEWY. It was INSPIRED by Italian designs; however Mr. Lindemann gets a break on this because he was reviewing an early example and basing his information on the manufacturer's information.
Drew some cues from the '61 Lincoln (blade leading edges to the front corners) and Loewy's own custom BMW, Cadillac, and Jaguar coupes. Loewy's Avanti team included Bob Andrews and John Ebstein (who had fled the Nazis in the late thirties), both of whom were long-time Studebaker designers, and Tom Kellogg, a brilliant young designer with a fine eye for a good line and experience designing Fiberglas hulls for speedboats.
If you look at an original Avanti, you'll have a hard time spotting even one straight line among the compound curve surfaces.
Best sounding sbc ever right there.
I recognize that music from an old shaw bros kung fu movie, anyway I miss my Avanti...
Looks balanced but the right rear tire really seams to catch hell 😂
A car review combined with a detective TV show. Smell the cigarette smoke.
A very rare car superchated was an option. A real classic
great sound quality
I think i heard this same music on Mannix.
bdan1 or maybe Hawaii Five-0
This is not a Studebaker. It’s an Avanti 2.. studebaker stopped making vehicles in America December 1st 1963. I hate it when people say the avanti 2 or the avanti motor co cars are Studebakers..
You could bake a Thanksgiving turkey in that engine compartment!
These were the fastest and would have been one of the most successful if it wasn't for the front end styling.
impressive
Fun Fact: The Avanti's cup holders were large enough to hold 44 ounces of bourbon.
The engineers thought of everything!
@@joelalexander5338 What, no relief tube? 🤣
My mom’s dream car.
I never understood why in these episodes they spun the tires so much when performing the acceleration tests.
this message ( rear tires ) will self destruct
silverbird58 should you decide to accept this mission
Hmm maybe I figured out my own question.
I always wondered why they looked like they sit a little high in the nose.
Since the 327 was 100 pounds lighter, did they keep the same front springs?
I’d guess yes.
Newman & Altman didn't like the genuine Avanti's "droop-snoot" look (which was good for allowing less air under the car), so they changed the body mounts, IIRC, to get it level. Of course, it was no longer going to be the fastest production car, but they owned the factory, and could build it the way they wanted.
Some sources say the Studebaker motor was 750 pounds, does anyone know for sure?
Buddy Rich!
They even made a 4dr in 1990
The fiberglass bodies were made in ohio? Wonder what town?
Ashtabula, OH. Not too far from Cleveland.
No 1/4 mile time ???
65 mph in 6.8 secs. It would have been well under 6 had the driver not just popped the clutch and mashed the gas.
True
@Homeless Home MoviesIts a stick, 4 sp Borg Warner.
WHAT YEAR?
im talking about the engine too , the 289 and 304.5 stude engine never mind the chev
The music isn’t dramatic enough.
Well, it's either an Avanti II or a Studebaker Avanti. The "Italian body design" was styled in Palm Springs, California by three American designers working under the leadership of French born Raymond Loewy.
the cars were expensive and Studebaker had production problems that made it impossible for them to meet the demand upon the car's introduction. It was widely liked for its styling but was truly a Lark in a gilded cage which was an inauspicious beginning. Despite the chassis limitations, Studebaker was able to make a good handling car and the addition of standard caliper disc brakes was inspired.
I like the car, but the video was nonsense.
2 words TIRE SMOKE!
The music is so dramatic and loud!
Drooling._.._._.._.._._.._
It's sad that they offered a supercharger with on open diff... kinda like an EcoBoost with an open diff
Where was the US to save the car company like they did with Chrysler with Lee Iacoca in 1981 and again during the Bailouts in 2008?
How much horse power does it make?
300hp
A normal 327 4bbl 2 dual exhaust makes 300-350hp add the blower and I'd guess 350-425.
Bongo Fury !!!!
twin grip not on board
Its as if it was Designed not to handle
swanky tune.
Corvette 327's came in 250, 300, 350, 365, and 375hp. The HP rating of this supercharged engine 300hp, ok I get why they would use the lowest compression engine but why bother when the 365 was only listed as cost $129.15 more back then? Only $107.60 the top hydraulic lifter version.
What year is this car? I think the reason for going with the supercharger was to bring back the nostalgia and oem feel that the factory Studebaker came with one
more bongos
That rear end is tired. LSD clearly not working.
What a stunning car! Sadly I'm guessing that it wasn't long after that Studebaker was absorbed by one of the Big Three.
They weren't absorbed. They merged with Packard in the late 50's and stumbled along until 1966, then went out of business. The Avanti was their big attempt at igniting interest in the brand by injecting exotic design. I think the body style has stood the test of time.
@@andyharman3022 You're also mistaken. Studebaker did not go out of business after 1966. They ended the automotive division and focused on their other holdings that they had been acquiring since 1959. These included Franklin appliances, STP products, Gravely tractors, and Onan generators. The Studebaker Corporation continued at least until the early 2000s. I think the last remnants of it finally died recently.
@@jakekaywell5972 It would be great to get an update on its corporate structure.
@@jakekaywell5972 You are correct. Studebaker's Board of Directors allowed an experiment to continue building the cars at their Canadian plant in part to avoid lawsuits from franchised dealers but also because the break even point was bout 20,000 cars which they thought they could meet with the smaller plant.
They didn't produce quire enough cars - got close - but the car business isn't horseshoes.
Their other businesses were producing profits. They went in the right direction.
@@andyharman3022 Packard bought Studebaker, it was not a merger. Studebaker's finances were terrible but Packard, unwilling to deal with the far more successful American Motors, did not review Studebaker's financial situation sufficiently.
Had a few less egos been in the way, all might have survived. AMC remained independent until acquired by Chrysler in 1987.
I'm not impressed with that supercharged Corvette 327 when by comparison it barely beat (by tenths of a second) a 440 4 barrel in a heavier GTX.
You couldn’t even get the blower on a corvette
That ugly square front end is the precursor to that ugly front end on the mid seventies AMC Matador.
Bud, it isn't Italian design. Raymond Lowey did it.
I'm trying to decide, which one is fugliest this turd or the amc
I really love these muscle cars and even more the ships of the 50s, but their handling is absolutely horrible! Even 10 HP are too much for these chassis! A Citroen 2 CV is in corners like a racing car compared to this extremely dangerous handling!
Learn how to drive Mary..
@@mikeborrelli193 WHO the heck is Mary?
How did it do over 170 miles per hour on the salt and become the fastest production car in the world if it handled so bad And was so dangerous? I don't think of everyone heard of one of these rolling over or crashing.
@@7x779 Well, I love these cars, but leave springs, rigid axle on the rear, drum brakes,. 70% of the weight on the front axle etc. are not the best equipment for well handling cars.
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Chevy Avanti II is what they should have named this. After Studebaker folded in 1964, they continued making Avantis in Canada, but didn't refer to them as Studebakers... Just a little bit of background on Avantis. Bud Lindeman always had really good reviews on automobiles, and this was one of them. R.I.P. Mr. Lindeman!
Hard to get through with the irritating trumpets and bongos. it's already bad enough with that 3 pack a day narrator's voice.
Perfect description of that frenetic cacophony, They had to be on drugs
Better than the modern hipster videos with a guy wearing a flat brim Monster Energy hat pulled way down covering the top of his ears and one of those ridiculous man beards. You just look dumb. I bet hipster guy listens to Nickelback.
Bongos......
That music was just the worst!!!
Crappy one wheel spinner rear axle 🤦🏼♂️
the Stude was better and the car was too , lower and looked better ,,1963s
The music sucks and really distracts from the voice over.
Ugly as sin but it sounds great! Should have made that blower available for the Vette.
I try. But that is just an ugly car. To each his own I guess.
This front end is about the ugliest dopy looking thing I've ever seen...almost as bad as the 79/80 Trash Am
Beautiful car!
@@aarongranda7825 Absolutely! The most beautiful automobile ever made!
its grown on me. Looks very aggressive and ya that was the style of the day
@@datsie14 That was anything but the style of the day. Can you point out any car from that era that looked that modern sleek clean aerodynamic?
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