TurboGrafx 16 / Turbo Duo Demystification (EXTRA 6 - North American game formats & consoles)
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Turbo Views Extra 6: a close look at the TurboGrafx-16 North American game formats and the various consoles released (to help collectors figure out what they need in order to play or collect each format).
Thanks so much for this info man. This was extremely helpfull for me wanting to get into TurboGrafx, and doing it right the first time and not wasting any money!
Chris, I do want to give my thanks. You have actually helped me believe it or not get into collecting for the Turbografx-16. I ended up picking up a few games a few weeks ago. What I am actually interested in is the TurboExpress so I can play TG-16 on the go, or on the TV via a tuner.
Once again, thanks for the 411 on covering the system! Very informative, and in-depth!
It was always a bit of a minefield when it came to the CD formats for the system. Especially if you were collecting much later in the life and into import gaming.
But most excellent video Sir, really enjoyed it!
At least it's a nice collector's primer.
Right? Tell me about it. The good news is, I never had much trouble at the time (I didn't import much back then, I got my DraculaX, that's all I needed it, lol!)
Thanks for watching as always Larry. :)
Turbo CD is the best early 90s CD system, when you include the PC Engine CD library it destroys the Mega CD.
Guru
Amazing. Commented 4 days ago and hadn't even heard of this thing. Now whad'ya know, Turbografx mini announced at E3! Thought of you immediately.
It's been 10 months and the mini's have technically been released! I got my PCE Core Grafx Mini and I love it! If you haven't got one yet you can order one from Amazon Japan. They're completely out of the TG-16 Mini's and why I went with the Core Grafx. They are identical in every single way accept the case. The PCE Mini has less games and no turbo switches. I ordered mine and got it in 4 days! The cost of shipping was...I don't even know how they do this...it was $10.00 USD, that's it!
What's absolutely bananas is how many games are on the TG-16 and PCE Core Grafx Mini. They started out saying...50 games. That turned into 55 games and we thought that was it. Then people starting unearthing secret game after secret game. The number is at 66 or if you count the English Ninja Gaiden ROM cheat it's 67 games so far...you can get to these secret games by pressing select a certain amount of times on different games. Seriously, my Core Grafx Mini is the best micro console I have ever seen and I have them all. It even manages to beat the mighty Neo Geo AES mini and I'm an SNK collector saying this...get it now if you can! ;)
Sadly the Turbo Technologies building in Los Angeles is now HUB International, an insurance company. :(
Gatorade Well at least it's used for something and not abandoned.
Interesting. Poor TTI! :)
My old friend from university works at HUB International, she says she likes it.
Great stuff. Newcomers to the platform will have a ton of questions and it's nice to see an all-in-one video that addresses them.
Thanks Austin! That was kind of what I was hoping to accomplish with the piece. Now hopefully people who need it can find it. :) Thanks for watching man.
Really enjoyed the video, was a huge TG16 fan when I was younger. Subscribed and thank you from Canada!!!!
I just discovered your channel and it's been great helping me decide what to add to my new, growing TG16 collection. The system really does have some great, enjoyable games. Keep up the great work!
Great explanation! Im kinda new to the PC engine/turbografx and this was very clarifying, thx! :)
Great Video!! I've been watching you for a very long time and I really liked this content. You looked and sounded spiffy, knowledgeable and the usual chipper Turbo player. Thanks again for all your great work!
Wow, the Gate of Thunder 3-in-1 deal was really good!
This was incredibly informative. Thank you!
I remember seeing turbografx 16 commercials and being blown away! I wanted to play Bonk so badly!! I didn't get the system until 1996, but the games and system were very very cheap at that time. It will always be one of my favorite consoles!!!
Hey, same here my friend! Ha ha.
Thanks for always watching, commenting and supporting the channel. :)
22:17 There were some "LaserActive" discs released by Pioneer that took advantage of the PCE/TG-16 pak to play those particular discs, as there were for the Mega Drive/Genesis pak.
Cool stuff. Thanks for watching.
For a newcomer this is essential, thank you for the great info!!
Great video Chris. I really like how you went in detail. I wish I had this video to reference back in 2000 when I started collecting for the Turbo.
Thanks my friend. :)
I never knew that Chris Isaak was on the CD+Graphics pack-in disc. I love that song!
Great video! :)
I bought a PC Engine Duo R awhile back. It’s modded to play American and Japanese games. Fantastic system. Soo many people missed out on that library of Games.
Great choice!!! Thanks for watching.
I've finally ordered a Turbo Grafx! Can't wait to get playing now after seeing this! :P Great video man, just subbed. Hope to be making my own Turbo Grafx content as of the next few weeks
MAZ Gaming UK
I still have my SuperGrafx. Awesome system.
For me the TurboGrafx is the Hu Cards.. the CD add on is something i didint find out untill the 2000s lol. So for me its something extra.. and now impossible to get without spending ALOT
Emulation and isos
Very informative. Thanks Chris.
Thanks Yule. :)
One of the youtubers that's been around before youtube took the you outa youtube lol. Awsome your still around man!
Thanks for watching my friend. :)
forgot the arcade cards and back when turbo duo came out i had that vhs demo talking about lords of thunder which was badass
these days about a year ago i bought a supergrafx cdrom-rom and arcade cards to complete my collection back in the early 90's only 1 friend i knew had turbografx i also picked up a turbo express
Great job, thank you for the work you put into making this
I'm so glad you enjoyed it. Thanks Luis! :)
I never really understood the "order only" marketing with the Super System Card. Maybe some sort of early test market before the Duo release? Still this is really valuable stuff to know because this system can get confusing to collect for. There are some titles like "Ys Book 1 & 2" that knowing what version you have is vital. I would hate to find out I got the Duo version with no Super System Card to play it!
I just have to add that your whole channel has been super helpful. It's videos like these that add some of those extra bits of info. I've recently added a Turbo to my line-up of systems because Turbo Views sparked a fascination! It's good to know about the compositor problems. That alone will help me in future hardware requirements!
Anyways, before I ramble like a collector, thanks again for the series. Can't wait for the next game review ^_^
I know, it can get pretty crazy. That nice part is ... Ys Duo version has the CD2ROM on the Disc. If you run across it and don't have the Super System Card, you can still play it (as it's just a regular CDROM game). At least that's the nice part. Ha ha.
I'm so glad you found some use from my channel! I am happy to hear and thanks my friend. :)
1:52 love that cd rom attachment, it was bigger than the base console. Gold. As a 40+ gamer from Aus, knew nothing about this machine.
Having a physical TurboGrafx is great, but for those who are curious about using a Wii or Wii U as a surrogate TG-16 machine: The Virtual Console shop will close the register to new purchases on March 27th, 2018. Several games are available including CD's and imports.
Thanks for watching.
i feel like back in the 80s and 90s big entertainment systems was a trend im not surprised the turbo and super turbo ended up being bulk systems with attachments also the pioneer system is a perfect example of entertainment system style set up. I do believe if these game consoles took off the mid 90s nintendos, segas and playstations woulda been a whole stereo system attachment add ons.
love the video. I just picked up a turbo express for a Christmas gift to myself. lol really liking it
That's an awesome Christmas gift!!! :)
Thanks for watching.
I am so jealous that you have a duo. Great video as always.
Thanks for watching my friend. :)
Great stuff Chris!
Thanks cpnnpr! As always.
Got a Turbografx-16 from TRU when it first came out. Really enjoyed it and liked how the games are on the slim HuCards. Just so cool! I traded it in to get a SNES though. The lack of good games hurt the system and they were hardly bringing games over from Japan. I didn't have an adapter and couldn't afford the Japanese games being in high school at the time. I eventually picked up the TurboDuo years later and started collecting import games. I still have it along with a Kisado converter for the Japanese HuCard games. Great system and it's a shame TTI didn't market it well here in the US.
Still have my SuperGrafx!! Awesome.
This is an awesome video. I love the TurboGrafx, but I just don't have the money to adapt mine with the CD stuff, and all the good stuff you have. I actually accepted the fact I may never get the CD.
But last week on Facebook I saw a PC Engine briefcase for $150! So I got that today. It is clean! Caps are fine. I have to print that gear... I feel lucky to have found it. I have an Everdrive, so I don't have to buy a collection over again. Perhaps one day I can find a handheld....Not!
It has taken about ten years to assemble my console collection. Feels good!
Love your videos Chris. Simply cannot get enough Turbografx! Would love to see you do a collaboration with Game Sack. Keep up the awesome work.
Hey, thanks low_e! I would be down for that with the GS guys! They're great supporters of the series as well. :)
Thanks for watching and supporting the show.
Great video, can't wait for the Japanese consoles episode. They really packed a ton of stuff into that Turbo Duo pack. Had I ever actually seen it in stores back in the day, I might have picked it up.
Thanks for watching and commenting as always. :)
Amazing video man. Its nice to see this buyers guide. (I picked up a turbo around 3 months ago) and this video was a great guide. Im still on the fence about getting a turbo duo though.
Thanks my friend. I am so glad you enjoyed it. :)
spida1a i found your channel while i was debating getting a tg16. Your reviews made me decide to get one. Id love to see your tg16 collection. Do you think you could do a video showcasing your collection.
Love the Air Zonk tunes, Chris! Great vid!!!
Thanks ShaFnZAM! I appreciate it and thanks for watching.
I had to come back...while the TG-16 and TG-16 CD ROM looked unsightly too me the Duo is sweeeet looking. At any rate, here's some cool information some people might like to know about NEC's console...
System Cards:
The bulge in the Super System Card/Arcade Card is RAM. The Super System Card added 256kb of RAM to your TG-16 CD ROM ROM. That may not sound like much but back then it was freaking huge. The Arcade Card adds 2mb of RAM or in 16-bit console speak 16 megs. What's funny is that is less added RAM than what came with the SF2 Championship Edition Hue Card for the PC Engine (24megs). That was the biggest card ever released for the system.
Games-
Did you know that some of the people behind The incredible Thunder Force series for the Genesis/Saturn/Arcade also created Gates of Thunder? No wonder the game is an absolute banger.
Did you know that Bonk actually appeared on the Nes? Hudson ported the original TG-16 version over. It was a very good port but of course lacked the graphical punch of the TG-16 counterpart.
Did you know that Y's I-II were actually separate games before they were ported to the TG-16 CD? The Sega Master System actually had the very best version of the first game before the TG-16 port released. Much like R-Type before it. Sega had the very best version until it released on the TG-16 as a whole game (it sold in two parts on the PC Engine).
Ninja Spirit for the TG-16 was almost arcade perfect. It is such a good game and anyone interested in this machine should check it out. It does suffer from some flicker and slowdown but it doesn't effect the gameplay that much. The game just throws so much on screen at once...very cool.
Such good memories of playing Bonks Adventure , I love the music
Really cool video. I had the TG16 back in the day, but lost it at some point.
I love seeing this stuff and taking a walk down Memory Lane.
Thanks man!
Good explanation! took me forever to finally figure out what's what in the turbografx/pc engine universe. Personally, I settled on getting a regular TG16 with the booster, and a pc engine duo R for everything else.
Absolutely a great choice! :)
Thanks for watching.
Can’t help but think of the INXS song mystify. Great video. Pc Engine is even more complicated
Gajillionaire Too bad CD+G never became a format they could've released Japanese CD Dramas on, like ones to popular anime at the time that could take advtange of adding pictures to their stories.
Yes indeed! The PC-Engine would be fun to dig into someday! Thanks for watching.
Christopher Sobieniak yea I had the CDG that came with the tgcd and it was at the time amazing! But I just don’t know why nothing was ever done with it. Somehow DVD broke through the rest could not
Pretty much (aside from VCD, but we know where that went). But yeah, it's interesting Japanese record companies weren't quick to go on the CD+G bandwagon with their licensed anime properties of the time, that way you'd have this cool radio drama to listen to while seeing the pictures on your TV!
I know! and they are so eager to try out new formats all the time!
Very good explanation on all features, thanks!
I just don't understand how the Amercian HuCards are called Turbo Chips. It says HuCard on the american hucards as well!
Probably marketing. "TurboChip" probably sounded easier to understand and more exciting (the same time that cartridge games would often advertise their memory size (megabits) to sound more impressive). Harder to explain what "Hu" is. And besides that, I'm not sure if Hudson would've needed to limit themselves from association with the console at the time in America due to Nintendo of America's restrictive license agreement (though I've heard different information on the extent of that policy). Wondering if that's why they added "FROM NEC" to the title screens of most US version games.
spartonberry It probably is. I'm sure a lot of clever marketing had to go into how they tried to market the TG-16 back in '89. I suppose keeping the "Hucard" written on the "turbochips" might be a legal designation on Hudson's part given they probably held patents to that.
I think spartonberry and Christopher S already answered that pretty good. Not to mention, everything they went with marketing-wise had Turbo "something" with it. You know? Stick, Tap, Pad ... Chip. Ha ha.
Thanks for watching.
16:26 Turbo Duo--it's from an era when console manufacturers added hardware features with each iteration instead of removing them.
You know my TG-16 console from Toys R us was broken on Xmas morning also. My dad took me to exchange it the next day. In my case my dad actually had already opened it and played through Bonk's adventure while I was at school so you could argue that he broke it somehow.
I think it would be worth doing the Japanese versions too with so many of us importing those due to the lower price. I also just ordered a Pc engine duo, took me awhile to find out if i was going to need a cd card (outside the arcade card)
I'll make sure to do a non-North-American episode in the future :)
Thanks for watching.
Thank you sir, great stuff, was listening to your stuff all the way home on a long commute today, had forgotten how good Psychosis was, was one of those games that made me proud to own the TG16!
Love that you showed Dynastic Hero! So Jealous! Haha. I have a Turbo Duo that I need to get recapped. Can't wait to get it done.
I was trying to find something Super CD and literally it was the first on my stack. Lol. :)
Thanks for watching.
This was a really helpful video. Thanks for taking your time to show off the collection and your knowledge on it TB/TB CD!
I have a PC Engine CD with the Interface Unit, but want a Turbo Duo also.
Was it possible to get a Laseractive with both sega cd *and* turbografx?
One day I'll have a Turbo Duo of my very own...
But for now, I'm happy playing TurboGrafx-16 games on my Wii~
Heck yes!! :)
Thanks as always my friend.
Thanks for doing this. I was hoping to see the DUO R and RX.
One day I'll do a non-North-American series and will be able to focus more on those! They're gorgeous systems as well! :)
Thanks for watching.
spida1a did the duo R appear in America?
spida1a it looks like the duo r was only a PC Engine thing. I didn’t know. That explains your video content. Thanks again great video!
Thanks for the great informative video, Chris. The TG 16 hardware can get quite confusing. I'm sure you familiar with the Arcade Card Pro that was a Japanese exclusive. Have you considered covering that in a video? There's actually some pretty good games for it. I have the classic white PC engine with CD system and play Sapphire with the Arcade Card. Very fun game.
Yes indeed. I have had the Arcade Card for a while. I remember how excited I was to see that there were all those Neo Geo fighters on it back when I picked it up. You know? Ha ha! :)
Thanks for watching BigSnipp!
Damn your a turbo crazy dude, I was left homeless in a motel 6 while I watched this but it was cool dude. I dig the Turbo a lot I've already told you I own the express. It was a great underrated system kind of like the Sega Saturn I believe.
Thanks for watching!
I’d love to hear a breakdown of the arcade card.
basically you need it to play Sapphire 🙃
Awesome buddy..thank you :)
Turbo was always my favorite, i used to love staying up late trying to beat Keith courage! I remember hitting the glitch and beating the game!
It's funny that you mention turbo chips being the thing people probably think of immediately when they think of the TurboGrafx-16, because when I was a kid, I didn't even know they existed -- I thought the TG-16 was *solely* a CD-based system. Like, I'd never even heard of it until the Turbo CD had been released, and at that point, all I *ever* heard about was the Turbo CD. I didn't learn that turbo chips existed until... man, probably 10 years later?
The same was true of others in my area, too. Nobody we knew owned one of these (though I think everybody was at least a little curious about it), so all we really had to go by was what we heard about in ads. So we all pretty much assumed it was basically nothing but Bonk's Adventure games and the like... all on CD.
I wonder if that was true of others as well, or if my rural-ass Pennsylvania town was just REALLY FAR out of the loop. ;)
That's interesting. Ha ha. Thanks for watching.
Wyrdwad Funny you say that as I only knew of the Turbo Express growing up, but it sort of stands to reason as I was actively seeking out the best way to play games portably and that was basically the pinnacle until almost half a decade later when the Nomad came out.
Love your videos
That was nice they included that sweet case for the CD ROM
Yes, for sure. I always loved that clamshell case! :)
Great work as you always do man. I don’t know what they were thinking with all those different cd cards and stuff haha. I don’t think it would have turned the tide for them, but that couldn’t have helped build an install base. But great system nonetheless.
The TurboDuo is one of my favorite systems of all time,plus it was region free.
Yes! That's a great thing isn't it? Ha ha. :)
Thanks for watching.
Thank you very much for sharing. :^)
Great video!
I have a question.... I have a modded PC Engine DUO R. Wanted to ask would “Sapphire” work without the super card?
Dr. Turbo explains Turboness! Nobody does it better!
Hey, thanks Juan! I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)
Great video and very informative!
Thanks my friend, I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)
CDX and Turbo Duo was where it was at during that time
Y'know,the "Turbo Pad" also has a floating "D"-pad one of the first of it's kind,light years ahead of the competition.
It truly was. The TG16 had many innovations that a lot of folks don't even realize it brought to the market. You know?
Thanks for watching.
My pleasure.
I always wanted to own one these.
Still play Pc Engine/TurboDuo games. My favourite console!
Fantastic video.
Hey, thanks my friend! I was hoping some would find it useful. :)
No arcade card mention? Only in Japan but allowed you to play more games and worth a mention.
The CD-ROM attachment can also play Animaniacs CD albums.
Since I’m sure you are very Familiar with the turboduo do you know if originally the system in some markets did not come with the games, coupon book etc. From what I’m reading some were sold with out those extras new.
I think we're both Italian, and the same age lol. I got a Turbo and CD around the same time, sadly it was stolen. Lately though I've been re-buying my childhood. The cost of cartridges is insane. I ended up getting a EDFX + Everdrive Pro combo. I noticed the market just suddenly went crazy a few years ago, what happened?
Okay...and I don't mean anything by this but...nothing is form factor. I got a Sega Genesis in 1989 and a Sega CD in 1992 (Snes in 1991). I never had a Turbo Grafx 16 (I have a Core Grafx Mini!). When it came out I remember how much NEC tried to nickle and dime us too death. You wanted two players you had to either buy a Turbo Tap or a two player tap and another controller. Now, I used to think the booster fit the console well. Now that I see it close up it looks like it doesn't fit right. However, that's not my biggest issue...the CD ROM attachment is cool no doubt, however, it doesn't look right on the back of the TG-16.
When you spend upwards of $400 (price at launch) you expect it to look like a high-end piece of equipment. The Model 1 Sega Genesis w/ Sega CD looked damn good and I loved having that thing upfront for all too see. The Snes for example was so butt ugly that I hid it from view. The last thing that always bothered me about NEC was the System Cards. They could have added extra hardware with their CD ROM. The Sega CD was an absolute beast when it hit at $299.00. Not only did it come with the extra RAM to push games further but it also had its own Motorola 68K processor that was clocked higher than the Genesis. When you couple this with the custom chipset for rotation and scaling it was out of this world. I really wanted NEC to do the same thing but unfortunately, they went with numerous System Cards making it a confusing mess.
Again, I'm not saying the Turbo Grafx was bad. It was a damn good machine that was mismanaged here in the States and that is a shame. NEC finally did it right with the Turbo Duo that thing was impressive! Great video!
Nice box for the Duo and Express. I have a box for my Duo I got in 2018. U.S. Duo looks the nicest NEC system.
Great video, man. It'd be awesome if you did the same for the PC Engine as well.
Thank you for the video, Chris. I have a much better idea what I can do so I won't have to input that ungodly Order of the Griffon password. I swear I'm going to beat it this year lol
Lol! Oh man ... I'm awful at that game. Ha ha! Wait until that review comes up. ;)
Thanks for watching my friend.
spida1a glad to hear it! ProJared gave up put his let's play on hiatus bc it was taking him too long, even with his back up memory. Love to hear your thoughts.
I remember getting Splatterhouse with my TurboDuo instead of Ninja Spirit, which would have been great if I didn't already have it.
Nice info as always...
Thanks Davide85. :)
What's the name of the first song at the opening of this?
It's very famiar? I'm thinking its a chiptune rendition of a modern song... Could be wrong though.
The first theme is from the TurboGrafx game Air Zonk. I always liked that theme to start these "Extra" vids. Ha ha. Then we go into some J. J. and Jeff, which you can't go wrong with. ;) Thanks for watching.
I think the other pack-in game for the TurboDuo was Dragon's Curse.
Ah, cool. That would be an awesome game to get! :)
The Duo is one handsome console..I almost picked it up but was pricey ..I only had the Turbo base..
Yes indeed. Very pricey! Ha ha. Thanks for watching my friend.
this more complex than a science class!
Very cool video, but I thought North America also got the Arcade Card for extra RAM, but I guess that was only on the PC Engine side of things.
No sadly, North America never received the Arcade Card. The system had all but disappeared by then. In fact, I never even heard of that until I finally go onto the internet in the mid90s. Then I was PSYCHED .. picked one up (which obviously I had to use with my converter) ... and chopped away at some Neo Geo fighters. Cool stuff. Lol. :)
Thanks for watching.
I have the PAL Turbo, sadly there are no cd attachments for it. It does run the US card games though.
I really disliked the one controller port and the no RCA out cuz even at like 9 years old, I hated RF. Thats one thing the TG-Mini (which I just got news that it will be shipped out soon, FINALLY!) got right was the 2 USB slots for 2 controllers. Im still mad my TurboTap crapped out on me back in the 90s.
I miss my turbo. But I set up a turbo exclusive retropie recently and it works just fine.
Oh beautiful! Very cool.
Surprised that system card didn't end up going down the stairwell.
All ready know what's,what on TG16 formats.Still this video is good for people who don't know.By the way spida1a,youtube is acting weird again for subscriptions.Araggg this video didn't show in my sub instead it was in recommended wtf !?
Oh really? Wow, what the!?!?!
Well, thanks for watching anyhow. I appreciate it as usual my friend. :)
cool upload
I recommend getting the PC engine It's much cheaper even for the CD stuff
Would really love to collect for this system but it is so expensive to get games for it. I think I will just stick with playing them on an emulator but also use a nes to usb converter with a original nes controller. I hope to get a turbo pad though.
Yes, for sure. I cannot believe how expensive things have gotten. Yikes! Thanks for watching.
I have one question for you some of my old games on my Turbo Duo CD wouldn't read unless if I put the console facing up other games that are new I don't have to do that
I'm the original owner of a duo... Where can I get it refurbished?
They need to bring that back game with system and not a bundle
This was a great watch but wow this is a mess to do a complete collection for. Seems Turbo Duo is the best for someone that has to have it all or just a base TG16 and the booster perhaps for chip games only. I wonder if all of this crazy accesspry nonsense was a contributing factor in the turbo failing in thr US. One controller port without an accessory for example, that's just silly.
Which games supported the 6 button controller besides SF2 and Ys 4?
I only know of a couple myself personally. Being that never was released here, I never got to experience it as a young lad. You know? Ha ha.
Thanks for watching.
Thank you
Thanks for watching.
Is there any way to be able to save your games on a PAL Turbografx?
By the by, what be that game in the add that's called "-lent -uggers", behind Battle Royale ?
TheApachacha Looks like Silent Debuggers.
Yes, I believe that's Silent Debuggers. Still got that one to tackle on the series one day. :)