I can still picture those swap meets in the 90s, boxes full of Cross-Fire Injection systems going for next to nothing. Everyone jokingly called them ‘Missfire Injection. What a time…
Ah, the good ol' days of swap meets! Sure, Cross-Fire Injection had its quirks, but let's give it credit-it laid groundwork for modern fuel injection. On paper, 205 hp from the '82 Corvette's L83 seemed tame, but it was a step forward in efficiency during a tough era. Corvette's always found a way to blend innovation with iconic style, even when the tech wasn't perfect.
@@AdelynDodson Cross-Fire Injection? Cool idea, but let’s be real, it’s no match for a proper carb setup or the TPI that came later. 205 hp from the L83 in a ‘Vette felt underwhelming for the nameplate. It paved the way, sure, but muscle’s about power, not just efficiency. Bring on the big blocks...
@@mikee2923 Oh, absolutely....The Cross-Fire system had a bad rep, but it was more about that transitional period for GM, trying to bridge the gap between the old-school carburetor days and fuel injection. It was a solid idea, just poorly executed. But, man, those swap meets were the place to be! You could pick up parts like that for pennies, even if it was a Missfire system. Funny how things come full circle
Wow, what a flashback Those swap meets in the '90s were something else-boxes of Cross-Fire Injection systems, or as we all jokingly called them, ‘Misfire Injection,’ going for pocket change! It’s amazing how that tech, once the punchline of a joke, is now a nostalgic piece of muscle car history. The Cross-Fire system had its quirks, but it also laid the groundwork for future fuel injection systems we see today. For all the fans out there, what’s your most memorable swap meet find? Share your stories in the comments below-we’d love to hear them! And if you’re into American Muscle Cars, don’t forget to explore our channel for more epic car history, like, comment, and subscribe for the ride of a lifetime. Have a fantastic day, and from all of us at Muscle Car Masters, Happy New Year
That whole system was a mess from the start. It didn’t just hurt performance, it was prone to reliability issues too. The engine’s design, with its dual throttle bodies, was meant to be innovative, but it just didn’t deliver the punch muscle car enthusiasts expected. GM learned the hard way with that one. They quickly moved to the TPI system, which was a huge improvement.
Absolutely, GM did rush things with the early releases, especially with some of those engines. Take the 1964 Pontiac GTO for example-there were issues with the 389's reliability when it first hit the streets. They pushed it out to stay ahead of Ford's Thunderbolt, but sometimes rushed performance can lead to headaches down the road. It’s a real shame because the cars had so much potential if given more time to refine
@@AdelynDodson The '64 GTO’s 389 Tri-Power setup wasn’t perfect, but it delivered serious muscle-325 HP standard, or 348 HP with the Tri-Power option. That was groundbreaking for the time
@AdelynDodson what about the Chevy Corvair and Vega? The Pontiac Fiero? The Cadillac Cimarron and the 8-6-4 V8 engine. What about the Oldsmobile diesel 350 or Quad 4? All GM cars and engines rush too quickly into the public hands without enough testing. And we wonder why Toyota is the number one car manufacturer today? 🤔
@@crw3673 You make some solid points, but let’s dig deeper. The Corvair had potential but suffered from overblown safety concerns (thanks, Nader). The Vega? Aluminum engine issues, sure, but its Cosworth variant showed promise. The Fiero? Early ones caught fire, but later models were legit mid-engine contenders. The Cadillac 8-6-4 V8? Innovative, but plagued by tech too ahead of its time. Olds Diesel 350 and Quad 4? Rushed execution marred good ideas. GM wasn’t perfect, but they pushed boundaries. Toyota’s rise? Consistency, not innovation.
the '82 Z28 with the 305 Cross-Fire is definitely a cool piece of early '80s muscle, and it’s awesome to hear yours held up strong! But, let’s be real-305 Cross-Fire wasn’t exactly a powerhouse at 165 hp. Chevy was trying to keep performance alive in tough emissions-regulated times. Compared to the old big-blocks or even later Tuned Port Injection models, the Cross-Fire struggled a bit. Still, the Z28 looked sharp with that aero styling, and white with red interior? Classic combo! Glad you loved it, but for real muscle, you gotta look at the LT1 or L98 era
@DNG1966 Wow, an '82 Z28 with the 305 Cross-Fire Injection? That’s pure nostalgia right there! A white beauty with a red interior-talk about iconic styling from the golden age of muscle cars. It’s amazing to hear you had such a reliable experience and gave it the ultimate test at just 16! Those Z28s were known for their sleek aero styling, T-tops, and innovative Cross-Fire system that aimed to bring performance and efficiency together. Did you ever get it on the open road and let that 305 V8 roar? We’d love to hear more about your adventures with it! To all the muscle car fans out there: What’s your favorite Z28 memory? Drop it in the comments! Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe to Muscle Car Masters for more classic car stories and history. Let’s keep the muscle car legacy alive Have a great day
Sounds like you had a blast with that '82 Z28! The 305 Crossfire was a bit underrated but still packed a punch, especially for the era. The fuel injection system on the Crossfire made it smoother and more efficient than some of the carb setups, but it still had that classic Camaro muscle feel. White with red interior-man, that’s a timeless combo
@@AilaniMadden the 305 Cross-Fire at 165 hp wasn’t breaking any speed records. Sure, it had a unique twin throttle body setup, but it struggled compared to earlier big-blocks or even the Tuned Port Injection that came later in the mid-’80s. Chevy kept the Camaro alive in tough times, and the Z28’s styling was pure fire-especially in white with that red interior. But for serious muscle?
Hey Mike, actually, the Cross-Fire Injection system debuted in '82, but it wasn't why the '83 Corvette wasn’t publicly sold. GM made about 43 prototypes to test the new platform for the C4. None were sold because it was a transitional year for development. Just a cool piece of Corvette history
yes....The '82 had it, and while they did make some '83s, it wasn't sold to the public due to a variety of issues, including regulations and timing with emissions. The '83 had some solid performance upgrades, but it wasn’t ready for prime time.
@mikeholland1031 the 1982 model did have it, and there’s always been a bit of mystery surrounding why the 1983 wasn’t sold to the public. While it’s true that a few were made, they were mostly pre-production models and prototypes. Rumor has it that tighter emissions regulations and a shift in market demand at the time played a big role in shelving the 1983 release. But hey, these unique quirks in muscle car history are what keep the passion alive for all of us fans, right? What do you think, Mike? Would you have loved to see the 1983 hit the streets? Let us know in the comments! And to everyone else reading this, don’t forget to share your thoughts, like this video, and subscribe for more awesome American Muscle Car content Wishing you an amazing day, my fellow gearheads
It’s telling that GM scrapped the Cross-Fire system after just two years. They never abandon anything that fast unless it’s an absolute disaster. Great content as always, sir.
The Cross-Fire injection was a total flop. It was GM's attempt to improve fuel efficiency, but it just couldn’t keep up with the power needs of a true muscle car. The system had throttle response issues and couldn’t deliver the punch that muscle car enthusiasts crave. GM quickly ditched it, going back to a more reliable carburetor setup.
Thank you for the fantastic comment, fellow enthusiast GM ditching the Cross-Fire Injection after just two years speaks volumes. It was a bold concept, but it struggled with reliability and performance compared to the carbureted systems it aimed to replace. Many gearheads saw it as an ambitious leap that fell short, especially when paired with emissions regulations of the time. By 1985, Tuned Port Injection stepped in to redeem Chevy's V8 legacy, showing that even setbacks can lead to innovation in the muscle car world We’d love to hear more thoughts from the community: Do you think Cross-Fire was a necessary experiment for progress, or was it doomed from the start? Drop your take below! Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe to American Muscle Cars for more deep dives into automotive history. Have an amazing day and Happy New Year, muscle car family
I had an 84 Corvette and when tuned right it ran really well. I never had an issue with that crossfire. Me and my daughter in it we ran a 14.7in a quarter mile and all stock. I know it wasn't the greatest time but it did run well for what it was. If I remember correctly I believe I got 26 miles a gallon on the highway
Hey, I respect that you had a good experience with the Cross-Fire! It’s cool your ’84 ran a 14.7 and got decent mileage. But as a diehard car fan, I gotta push back a bit. The Cross-Fire system was infamous for its limitations-those throttle-body injectors didn’t flow great, and 205 hp from the L83 350 was underwhelming compared to earlier Corvettes. Tuned right, they ran okay, but they struggled against competition in the muscle car world.
@@KeithGreene-k1v The mustangs at the time would beat me at the big end. Of course that was in the 2000s. I thought about taking the intake off in Port matching and porting the intake but it ran fine for being stock. The only other thing I thought about doing is getting two TBI off of 4.3 with the two throttle plates to put on each side. I looked into it but I would have to change the computer for the amount resistance The injectors would have too much resistance for the computer. I forgot to say I had a 1.7 60 ft time with street tires
@@bobkolar8901 But as a true muscle car fan, I gotta call out the L83’s limits. The 205 hp was underwhelming, especially compared to the C3's peak. Port-matching and better air delivery could’ve helped, but the Cross-Fire’s injectors and ECU were bottlenecks. Those Mustangs probably edged you out on the big end because they had better top-end power. A dual TBI setup sounds wild, but yeah, the stock computer would've hated it.
@bobkolar8901 Wow, that’s a fantastic story, and your ’84 Corvette sounds like it was a real gem Running a 14.7 in the quarter mile with a stock setup is solid for that era, especially with the Crossfire Injection, which often gets a bad rap. Getting 26 MPG on the highway too? That’s incredible for a V8-powered sports car-proof that when these cars are tuned right, they deliver on performance and efficiency! Your idea about port matching and upgrading the intake shows some real passion for maximizing the potential of that L83 engine. The dual TBI mod you mentioned could have turned your Corvette into a beast, but keeping it stock and still achieving those numbers shows just how capable these cars are. What do the rest of you think about the ’84 Corvette and its potential? Share your thoughts, like this video, and subscribe for more Muscle Car content. Have a great day, Bob
@commandertopgun Thank you for the awesome comment, partner Cross-Fire Injection sure is one of those fascinating pieces of muscle car history-love it or hate it, it’s part of what makes these cars so iconic! GM took a bold step with this system in the early '80s, trying to merge performance with fuel efficiency during a tough era for American muscle. While it didn’t always hit the mark, it paved the way for some of the incredible fuel injection systems we see today. We’re glad you found this video inspiring! Keep exploring the quirks and innovations of American muscle cars with us. What’s your take on other infamous engines-like the Cadillac 8-6-4 or the Oldsmobile diesel? Let us know in the comments below Don’t forget to share this with fellow muscle car fans, subscribe for more, and give us a like to keep the engine roaring Have a great day....
Crossfire Injection wasn’t perfect, but it debuted on the '82 Corvette. The 5.7L L83 made 200 hp-a jump for the era. Sure, it wasn’t a big-block beast, but it paved the way for modern fuel injection tech. Gotta respect its place in Corvette evolution.
You’re spot on about the '82 Vette and the Crossfire injection! That setup was definitely a game-changer, combining two throttle bodies with a unique dual-port design. It wasn’t quite the high-performance solution fans were hoping for, but it helped with fuel efficiency while still trying to keep the Vette’s muscle car spirit alive.
Hey @Dr_Reason the 1982 Corvette introduced the Crossfire Injection system, which was a big deal for Chevy back then. It combined two throttle bodies in a unique fuel delivery system, aiming to balance performance and fuel economy during a time of strict emissions regulations. While it didn’t quite match the raw power of earlier models, the Crossfire Injection was an innovative step forward in Corvette history. Thanks for keeping the muscle car spirit alive, and have a fantastic day
I hear you on the malaise era struggles, but let’s not sell the era too short. Sure, horsepower took a hit thanks to emissions regulations and fuel crises, but innovation didn’t stop. Take the Buick 3.8L turbocharged V6-by the ‘80s, it was pushing the Grand National to over 200 HP, paving the way for performance revival. Even those Cross-Fire systems had potential if dialed in right. It was a tough time, but enthusiasts kept the spirit alive through swaps and mods.
@AilaniMadden those were tough times for enthusiasts. The malaise era hit American cars hard, with emissions regulations, oil crises, and corporate cost-cutting taking their toll. Plastic dashboards, low horsepower, and lackluster designs were a far cry from the roaring '60s and early '70s muscle cars we all love. The Cross-Fire Injection System in the 1983 Corvettes was a bold but flawed attempt to adapt to the times, but hey, it paved the way for the return of performance innovation later! What’s your favorite comeback story from this era? Maybe the rebirth of horsepower in the '80s with models like the Buick Grand National or the Fox Body Mustang? Let us know in the comments, share your thoughts, and don’t forget to subscribe for more American muscle car nostalgia and history Have a great day, and wishing you a Happy New Year filled with horsepower and classic car dreams
Na. If you knew what you were doing under the hood of a car you could swap in some old school parts that make some serious power still. Most of these cars got intake and carburetor swaps with cams and heads anyways.
@@kskip4242 yes....Sure, they were factory-strangled by emissions regs and low compression, but swap in high-flow heads, a performance cam, and a properly tuned carburetor, and you could easily double that factory 150 hp. Guys in the '70s were turning these into street beasts with aftermarket intakes, headers, and hotter ignitions.
@@kskip4242 With some know-how, those "malaise era" cars can roar to life with the right upgrades. Swapping in a high-rise intake, a performance carburetor, or throwing in a hotter cam and better heads can make those old rides scream like it’s 1970 again. Enthusiasts back then were all about getting creative under the hood, and it’s no different today. The Fox Body Mustang is a prime example of a platform that came alive with the right mods, and let’s not forget the Buick Grand National-it took turbocharged performance to a whole new level. What’s your favorite modification or build story from this era? Share your thoughts in the comments! We’d love to hear how you’ve brought new life to classic machines. Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe to the channel for more American muscle car history and stories.
I've owned my '84 corvette for 36 yrs. It has 107000 miles on it and over the years I've replaced many many parts on the car but have never had any issues with the Rochester crossfire fuel injection system. It used to get 27 mpg on the highway.
I had a 1982 collector edition corvette. I bought it from a wreking yard due to an engine fire in 1995. Turned out that I couldnt find the upper engine wireing harness. I contacted every corvette wrecking yard in the US. A number of them said that the only 1982s that they see are due to an engine fire. The computer couldnt keep up and under certain circumstances the engine would back fire, blowing flaming fuel into the fiberglass tunnel built into the hood. Back then crossfire was nicknamed forest fire injection. Years after selling the car i learned that a speed shop was modifying the computer from a 1995 blazer to replace the 1982 crossfire computer to eliminate the fires. I finally found the wire harness at a after market harness maker. They had 2 they were using as a pattern for when they could get the distributer connector sourced. My advice is leave fire damaged 82 corvettes in the garbage.
I hear you on the challenges with the '82 Collector Edition and the Crossfire setup, but I gotta disagree-don’t sleep on that car’s potential! Sure, Crossfire got the "Forest Fire Injection" nickname, but when properly tuned (or swapped with modern tech like you mentioned), it can shine. The L83 was underrated at 200 hp, and with upgrades, it’s capable of much more. Plus, that fiberglass hood and liftback design were ahead of their time. Instead of trashing it, some see these as opportunities to turn a flawed gem into a real street beast.
@@AilaniMadden The '82 Collector Edition deserves a second look. Yeah, the Crossfire had its quirks, but that L83 was underrated at 200 hp, and with modern tuning or a standalone ECU, it can breathe fire-in a good way. The lightweight fiberglass hood and sleek liftback weren’t just ahead of their time; they scream potential for performance and style. Plenty of enthusiasts have turned these "fire hazards" into reliable street machines. Sure, it was flawed stock, but isn’t fixing that what being a gearhead is all about?
@davidster1704 Wow, what a story The 1982 Collector Edition Corvette is such a unique piece of history, but it sure came with its quirks, especially that infamous Cross-Fire Injection system! Your journey to restore it shows real dedication-contacting wrecking yards nationwide, hunting for a wiring harness, and learning about the modified Blazer computer years later. It's wild how something like the Cross-Fire earned the nickname “Forest Fire Injection.” It’s a tough lesson, but your advice about steering clear of fire-damaged ’82 Corvettes is gold for anyone thinking of taking on a similar project. For all our fellow muscle car enthusiasts, what’s your most memorable story with a project car? Let us know in the comments below! And if you haven’t yet, subscribe, like, and share to keep celebrating the legacy of American muscle cars. Wishing you a great day and a Happy New Year
BS, I had an 84 Vette with Crossfire injection Never had a problem with it. Even added the in-line chip from Indy Speed shop and removed most of the lag on the low end. TUNED PORT WAS BETTER, BUT CROSSFIRE WAS a good system
Respect for sticking up for the Crossfire Injection, but let’s dig deeper. While it had potential, Crossfire was plagued by limited airflow and tuning challenges, especially compared to Tuned Port Injection (TPI), which brought serious improvements in throttle response and performance. The 305/350 engines in the early ‘80s were choked by emissions restrictions, and the Corvette suffered for it-1983 was a skipped model year, after all. Not saying Crossfire was junk, but compared to TPI's better intake design and power delivery, it was a stepping stone.
Yes....The Crossfire injection gets way too much hate. Sure, the Tuned Port is a step up, but that Crossfire setup wasn’t as bad as people think. I ran it for years with no issues, just like you. Adding the chip from Indy Speed Shop really helps clean up the low-end throttle response, and when tuned right, it can be a solid performer.
@powhatan1165 That’s awesome to hear about your ’84 Vette with Crossfire Injection! It’s great to see someone who’s had firsthand success with the system. While the Crossfire got a lot of criticism back in the day for its quirks, enthusiasts like you have shown how proper tuning, like adding that Indy Speed Shop chip, can really unlock its potential. You’re right-Tuned Port Injection (TPI) is often seen as the next step, but Crossfire definitely has its place in Corvette history, especially as it kept the C3 alive during tough times. What do you think-does the Crossfire Injection deserve more love in muscle car circles? Let’s get the conversation rolling! Share your thoughts, experiences, and mods in the comments below! Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share with other American Muscle Car fans. Wishing you a fantastic day and a Happy New Year
@@castlegarage6969 I’m sorry to hear about the cylinder and valve issue! The thing with those 84 engines is they were still working out a few kinks, but once everything's dialed in, they can really impress. Even with some hiccups, fuel injection gave us smoother starts and better throttle response. Plus, it's much easier to tune for performance when it's all sorted.
@kskip4242 That’s an awesome memory! Your old man must have been one heck of a mechanic to handle all those carb swaps back in the day. It’s incredible how those carburetors were the heart of muscle cars, from Holley Double Pumpers to Rochester Quadrajets, keeping those beasts roaring down the streets. Back then, swapping carbs wasn’t just about performance; it was an art form that kept the soul of American muscle alive. We’d love to hear more stories about your old man’s work-did he have a favorite carburetor or a dream muscle car he worked on? Let us know Have a great day, and Happy New Year to you and all muscle car enthusiasts
@MuscleCarMasters68 He had many old fords he muscled up. He always bragged about his built 302 Windsor in his 68 Ford fairlane that would gap big blocks lol. I was not born yet for that one. But me and him built a 71 maverick with a 302 in it together. Honorable mentions, 74 2dr Ltd 351windsor, 73 Lincoln Is continental with a built 460. He was a connoisseur of carburetors, He could get inside of them and fix all the factory defaults And you would never have to even pump the gas.They would start just like fuel injections It was unreal. His favorite carb was the Q-jet, he put them on his fords because He swore you would get the best gas mileage and the best performance with them.And we both love the sound of those big secondaries opening up! The 460 he had had the rare spread bore intake That came originally with a thermoquad carter carburetor. He had a built quadrogen on it after he built the 460. I could go on for hours Is telling stories lol.
I've owned my '84 C4 corvette or 36 years and have 107000 miles on it. I've replaced several parts over the years but never had a ptoblem with the crossfire fuel injection which is all original.
@bobbylindvest9911 You’re spot on about the 1982-83 Crossfire setup, definitely a unique piece of GM history! By 1984, the LG4 V8 made a return with carburetors, which was a breath of fresh air for muscle car fans. The late-production L69 option, with its 305ci and a higher compression ratio, gave the Firebird and Camaro a bit more punch. Those carb’d engines definitely gave that old-school muscle feel we all love
@@AdelynDodson the Crossfire setup in '82-'83 Camaro and Firebird was a bold GM experiment, but I’ve got to disagree a bit on the "breath of fresh air" for 1984. While the LG4 brought carburetors back, it was still saddled with 150hp-hardly the muscle we crave. Now, the L69 305ci was a step in the right direction, boasting 190hp thanks to a higher compression ratio and a hotter cam.
@bobbylindvest9911 Thanks for chiming in with that detailed insight! You're absolutely right-the Cross-Fire Injection system made its brief appearance in the Camaro and Firebird in 1982 and 1983 before giving way to the LG4 and the high-output L69 in late 1984. The L69, with its dual-snorkel air cleaner and functional hood scoop, was an underrated powerhouse for carburetor enthusiasts. It’s fascinating how GM transitioned through these systems while refining performance during this era. Speaking of transitions, 1983 was indeed a pivotal year without a Corvette-something that shook the muscle car world. What do you all think of the Cross-Fire Injection system and its impact on GM’s lineup during those years? Let us know in the comments below! Don’t forget to hit like, share this video with fellow gearheads, and subscribe to Muscle Car Master for more deep dives into American muscle car history. Wishing you a fantastic day and a Happy New Year
I thought it skipped 83 due to the adaption of the targa top and the increase in the frame rails to sign the car with the structural targa removed. Crossfire was already a thing.
Hey @bigikediesel, great observation the Crossfire injection system already being in use, and the targa top changes were a big factor. The 1983 skipped model year for the Corvette was indeed an interesting chapter in its history. Chevrolet was making huge strides in design and safety, including beefing up the frame rails for the structural integrity of the removable targa. They wanted to ensure the C4 was a groundbreaking model, which meant taking extra time to refine its engineering. While there were prototypes built in '83, none officially hit the market until the stunning 1984 C4. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! What’s your favorite Corvette generation? Let us know in the comments. Keep exploring the world of American muscle cars with us, and don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more amazing content. Have a fantastic day
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Haha, classic case of "close, but no cigar!" An ’82 with a body kit pretending to be an ’84 is a hard pass, especially at $30K! The Cross-Fire Injection system wasn’t exactly GM’s finest hour-it’s like a carburetor and EFI hybrid, but it left much to be desired in performance. The 305 and 350 V8s made 165-200 hp, far from the muscle era’s glory. GM was gearing up for the C4 debut, and 1983 had no production Corvette. They needed a year to nail it. A real fan would hold out for a cleaner, legit C3 or early C4 instead that is lucky for you and wife because they did not offer a 1983 Corvette...LOL
@@buildingracingvideos4714 As for the ’96 Collector’s Edition, that’s a serious piece of history right there! It’s got the LT4 V8, pushing 330 hp and 340 lb-ft of torque, which is a big step up from the earlier years. That engine really brought some performance back to the table, and that Corvette's definitely got some muscle. Bet your wife’s got a real gem on her hands
It's crazy how some people try to pull that off. The '84 Vette had the crossfire injection, which wasn't exactly a powerhouse, but at least it wasn’t rocking that "cheapy body kit" look! Honestly, you could get a real steal with an '84 if it's in good shape, but that body kit on an '82?....lol
@KeithGreene-k1v I love it. I was never much of a corvette guy until she showed up with it. I had driven c5s and c6s, but I just wasn't feeling them. This c4 is a totally different animal. For me, it has so much better feeling. An actual throttle cable that's connected to an amazing 350 for any time period. All in a 3,300 lbs package.
Just sold my c7 in 10000 miles it was towed twice n had so many issues but it was fastest car I've been in but unaffordable car money pit z28 was still cool but slower than molasses 😅
those LS engines are beasts, especially the LT4 in the Z06, pumping out 650 hp and 650 lb-ft of torque. As for the Z/28, it’s a different animal-a track-focused monster with the LS7, 505 hp, and a glorious 7,000 RPM redline. It wasn’t built for straight-line speed but to dominate corners, where it holds its own with world-class handling. Sure, they’ve got quirks, but these cars are icons for a reason
@DNG1966, thanks for sharing your story Sounds like you had quite the ride with your C7-fast as lightning but definitely a wallet drainer! It’s true, the Z28 might not win drag races against modern cars, but it has that unmistakable old-school muscle charm that stands the test of time. That’s the beauty of American Muscle Cars: they each have a unique character, whether it’s speed, style, or nostalgia. The Cross-Fire Injection era sure had its quirks, but it paved the way for the innovation we see today. Wishing you all a fantastic day
The C7's a beast for sure, but man, those maintenance issues can really add up. As for the Z28, it's a great car, but yeah, it doesn’t quite hit like the big muscle cars we love. I’d take a classic 427 V8 or a 426 HEMI over it any day-those engines really put you back in your seat.
True, the malaise era hit hard, but Corvette never lost its spirit. Even in the '70s, its L82 and later Cross-Fire Injection engines pushed boundaries, delivering up to 230 hp. Not peak muscle, but it kept innovating when many gave up.
@@AilaniMadden You make a solid point about Corvette’s spirit, but let’s break it down. The L82, while respectable for the time, wasn’t exactly pushing boundaries-230 hp in the late ’70s pales against the muscle legends of the '60s. And the Cross-Fire Injection? Innovative, sure, but it struggled with reliability and wasn’t a performance game-changer. What kept Corvette alive wasn’t just innovation-it was its unwavering focus on being a true sports car. Even during the malaise era, its chassis dynamics and iconic styling kept it relevant. Corvette endured, but let’s be real-it was surviving, not thriving, during those years.
Hi @AdelynDodson despite the performance challenges, the Corvette’s design has always been iconic, even during the tougher years. The 1983 model year is a unique chapter in Corvette history, and while the Cross-Fire Injection system had its flaws, it was a bold step in blending performance with evolving emissions standards. Let’s not forget, this period set the stage for the revolutionary C4 Corvette in 1984, which pushed boundaries in aerodynamics and handling. Corvette has always been more than just a car; it’s a symbol of innovation, resilience, and American style. What’s your favorite Corvette generation? Let us know in the comments! And to everyone out there, don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe to Muscle Car Masters for more in-depth stories and discussions about American muscle cars. Wishing you a great day and a Happy New Year
The factory Z/28 302 was rated at 290 HP (underrated for insurance), and even with the Cross Ram dual four-barrel setup, it realistically made closer to 400 HP at high RPM. It was a high-revving, small-block beast, but 500 HP is a stretch without major mods.
@MatthewSzalkowski4719 Wow, you really know your stuff The 302 Cross Ram from '69 was an engineering marvel, no doubt. It's incredible how underrated those small-blocks were. You’re right-the real-world dyno numbers could show impressive results, especially with tuned setups and breakerless ignitions. Many enthusiasts say that when the Cross Ram was dialed in just right, it became an absolute beast, producing that signature high-revving power that defined the Trans Am series. What a time to be alive for muscle car fans Thanks for sharing your insights-it’s always great to hear from fellow enthusiasts who know the finer details. What do you all think about the underrated performance of setups like the 302 Cross Ram? Drop your thoughts below! Don’t forget to like, comment, and share our passion for American Muscle Cars. Subscribe to stay updated, and Happy New Year
@@CookeZachery the Z/28 302-definitely a legendary small-block! But let’s dig into the numbers a bit. That factory 290 HP rating was pure insurance bait, no doubt. While the Cross Ram dual four-barrel setup boosted performance, hitting 425-460 HP on a dyno would be an exception with fine-tuning, optimal conditions, and mods like breakerless ignition. The factory setup realistically made closer to 375-400 HP. Hitting 500 HP is a tall order without a cam swap, higher compression, or head work.
@@AilaniMadden I love the passion for the Z/28 302, it’s an icon, no doubt! But let’s break it down. That 290 HP rating? Total sandbagging for insurance. With the Cross Ram, you're right 400 HP is realistic at screaming RPMs, but even 425-460 HP took serious tuning and conditions most factory setups didn’t see. Breaking 500 HP? You’re in custom territory, think bigger cam, higher compression, or ported heads. Don’t forget, the DZ302 wasn’t about raw horsepower; it was a precision tool for high-revving domination, perfect for the SCCA Trans-Am circuit. It’s a small-block legend built for balance and handling, not just peak numbers
Oh, I totally remember those days! The Cross-Fire Injection system really got a bad rap back then. It was designed to give the Corvette better fuel efficiency, but it just didn’t have the punch like the old carb setups. The 350 V8 was still a beast, though, even with the 'Missfire.' The 89 Corvette had the potential, just not with that system.
@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 Thanks for the comment The "89hp Corvette" is a legendary joke among enthusiasts when talking about the early '80s and the infamous Cross-Fire Injection system. While it wasn’t really 89 horsepower (more like 200hp for the Corvette in those days), it sure felt like it compared to the muscle cars of the '60s and '70s! The early '80s were tough for performance cars, but that period helped pave the way for some incredible innovations we’d see later. By the mid-'80s, Corvette came roaring back with the C4 and its Tuned Port Injection system, reclaiming its place as America’s sports car. What do you think about the evolution of Corvette performance over the decades? Let us know in the comments! Don’t forget to explore more American muscle history on our channel, like, share, and subscribe. Have a great day and a Happy New Year
But let’s give credit where it’s due: the 305 and 350 V8s were still solid engines mechanically. The Cross-Fire system was an early attempt at fuel injection, and while it had its quirks, it was an evolution step that paved the way for the powerhouse systems we saw later, like the Tuned Port Injection. Sure, 1983 lacked a Corvette, but the era set the stage for better engineering.
@Matthewszalkowski4719 Thanks for bringing up the legendary 4.3 Central Point Injection It was GM's next step in fuel injection technology, offering better efficiency and smoother performance compared to carburetors. While the Cross-Fire Injection system of the early '80s often gets mixed reviews, the CPI setup was a precursor to GM’s advancements in electronic fuel injection, paving the way for future powerhouses like the LT1 and LS-series engines. What do you think about how these systems impacted muscle cars transitioning into the modern era? We'd love to hear your thoughts! To all muscle car fans out there, make sure to comment below with your favorite engine tech or memories of the '80s era. Don’t forget to share this video with fellow enthusiasts and subscribe to American Muscle Cars for more deep dives into our passion for horsepower Have an awesome day, and Happy New Year
There were delays for the C4 Corvette's release so it ended up being a 1984 model.The 1984 C4 Corvette still had the crappy cross fire injection 5.7 liter 350 V8 engine.The newer tune port injection 5.7 liter V8 was a better engine.
Absolutely, the 1984 C4 Corvette did feature the Cross-Fire Injection 5.7L 350 V8, which some enthusiasts see as underwhelming. However, calling it "crappy" might be a bit harsh. It delivered 205 hp and 290 lb-ft of torque-not groundbreaking, but a solid step in transitioning Corvette into the modern era. The Tuned Port Injection (TPI) 5.7L V8 introduced in 1985 was indeed a performance leap with 230 hp, better throttle response, and smoother power delivery. But let's give credit to the Cross-Fire for paving the way for advancements in fuel injection technology, setting the stage for the TPI's success
The '84 C4 Corvette was a bit of a letdown with that Crossfire injection setup - not the best for performance. The '85 models with the Tuned Port Injection 5.7L V8 were a serious improvement, though. The TPI system provided better airflow and efficiency, which made a noticeable difference in both power and throttle response. That engine truly woke up the C4 and gave it the muscle it deserved
@Darren-r8l The 1984 C4 Corvette was indeed delayed, making it a standout for its debut year. While the Cross-Fire Injection 5.7L V8 wasn't everyone’s favorite due to its finicky performance, it paved the way for improvements. By 1985, Chevrolet introduced the Tuned Port Injection system, transforming the 350 V8 into a more efficient and powerful engine. This leap forward truly embodied the Corvette's commitment to performance and innovation-something every muscle car fan can appreciate. What do you think about the C4’s radical design for its time? Love it or hate it, the sharp edges and digital dashboard made it an icon of the '80s. Let us know your thoughts in the comments below Don’t forget to explore more American muscle car content on our channel. Like, share, and subscribe to join the ride Wishing you a fantastic day and a Happy New Year
Absolutely, @CookeZachery, the 1984 C4 Corvette gets a lot of mixed reactions, but let's take a moment to appreciate its role in Corvette history. Sure, the Cross-Fire Injection 5.7L V8 wasn’t a powerhouse, but at 205 hp and 290 lb-ft of torque, it helped transition the Corvette into a new era of performance engineering. Plus, the TPI system that followed in 1985 wouldn’t have been the same without the lessons learned from the Cross-Fire! Let’s not forget the groundbreaking design of the C4-the sharp, angular body, digital dashboard, and overall futuristic vibe defined the '80s and turned heads everywhere. Keep cruising, and Happy New Year to all our fellow enthusiasts
@@MuscleCarMasters68 Yes... The 1984 C4 Corvette’s Cross-Fire 5.7L V8 may not have been a dragstrip king, but it was an important step forward in Corvette history. While 205 hp wasn’t mind-blowing, it helped bridge the gap to the TPI engine that really upped the game. The C4’s sharp styling and tech-forward features like the digital dash made it a true '80s icon
@pdennis93 Cease-Fire Injection was an early GM attempt at fuel injection, but it fell short of its promise. Only 283 hp from the Corvette’s 283? Rochester Ramjet fuel injection was a game-changer later, pushing over 315 hp.
@pdennis93 The Cross-Fire Injection system from 1983 has earned its place in muscle car history, but not exactly for the best reasons. This unique system was GM’s early attempt at electronic fuel injection, combining two throttle body injectors on a dual-plenum intake. While innovative for its time, it was plagued by reliability issues and underwhelming performance, especially when compared to the raw power muscle car fans expected. It wasn’t until later years that GM refined its fuel injection technology to meet the Corvette’s legendary standards. What do you think-was the Cross-Fire system a misstep, or was it just ahead of its time? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below! Don’t forget to share this with your fellow muscle car enthusiasts and subscribe to Muscle Car Master for more American muscle car history. Keep those engines roaring, and have a great day
@patrickradcliffe3837 Great catch at 11:51 The 1983 Corvette was indeed a unique chapter in automotive history. While enthusiasts missed out on owning a '1983' model, it set the stage for the groundbreaking C4 Corvette in 1984. The Cross-Fire Injection system may not have been perfect, but it was an innovative step toward blending performance with stricter emissions standards of the era. Love it or not, it’s part of what makes Corvette history so fascinating! For all our muscle car fans, what’s your take on the Cross-Fire Injection system? Did it pave the way for modern fuel injection, or was it a missed opportunity? Let us know in the comments! Don’t forget to share this video with your fellow car enthusiasts and subscribe to Muscle Car Masters for more deep dives into muscle car history. Wishing you a fantastic day and a Happy New Year
GM was again in Corvette protection mode. The 3rd generation Trans Am was originally slated to get the Pontiac 301 turbo engine. This is evidenced by most high performance 3rd generation Firebirds having the same offset hood bulge as the late 2nd generation Firebirds. While the 301 turbo was hardly a good engine, it made more power than the Corvette did. And with some refinement, it could’ve been a monster. Considering Buick made an underrated 276 HP with the GNX 3.8 turbo V6, it isn’t unrealistic to believe the 301 would’ve eclipsed 300 HP by 1987. Something the Corvette didn’t do until the mid 90s. God forbid a regular production Pontiac would beat a Corvette.
I get where you’re coming from, but the 301 Turbo wasn’t the monster you’re imagining. It struggled with reliability and limited potential compared to the GNX 3.8. Corvette protection aside, Pontiac needed a stronger base to rival Chevy's engineering. A refined 301 hitting 300+ hp? A long shot, sadly.
@ Yes the 301 was garbage. But so was the initial Buick 3.8 V6. If the 301 would’ve had a sturdier bottom end, better flowing heads and electronic fuel injection to properly tune the boost, it would’ve been a monster. Don’t forget Pontiac made the Ram Air V which was a 303 CI for Trans Am racing in the late 60s. It had heads that would feed that engine at 7500 RPM all day long. Only the bottom end wasn’t up for the task. Pontiac wanted to use those heads for larger production V8s until Chevrolet cried because Pontiac was getting close to 500 HP out of a production 400 just using 303 parts. Those heads would bolt to any Pontiac V8 but required a different intake, cam and exhaust manifolds. This is because the port arrangements were along the lines of a BBC.
@@mikee2923 I hear you, but I’ve gotta push back a bit. The 301 Turbo had potential, but even with EFI and better flowing heads, it wasn’t in the same league as Pontiac’s Ram Air V or Buick’s 3.8 GNX. The 301’s lightweight design sacrificed bottom-end strength, which limited its reliability under boost. The Ram Air V, though, was a beast-those BBC-inspired heads could’ve redefined Pontiac V8s if GM politics hadn’t intervened. But let’s be real: turning the 301 into a 300+ hp contender would’ve required a complete redesign. Cool concept, but Pontiac’s magic was in its bigger cubes and uncompromising engineering.
@mikee2923 What a fantastic insight into GM's history with the Corvette and Pontiac rivalry the 3rd-gen Trans Am had serious potential with the 301 turbo, and the hood bulge is a clear nod to its performance-oriented roots. Imagine if Pontiac had refined that 301 turbo to GNX-level power-over 300 HP by 1987 would have been a game-changer! It’s wild to think how GM’s Corvette-first strategy may have held back some incredible muscle cars. The Firebird could’ve truly soared higher, challenging the Corvette as a true street dominator. What do you all think about this? Should Pontiac have been given more freedom to push the limits? Drop your thoughts in the comments below, and don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more American muscle car nostalgia and deep dives. Have an awesome day, and Happy New Year
@@mikee2923 no.. disagree about the 301 being total garbage. Sure, it had its limits, but it wasn't designed to be a high-performance mill like Pontiac's legendary Ram Air engines. The 301 Turbo showed potential but lacked the robust bottom end and airflow needed for big power. Now, the Ram Air V? Absolute legend! Those 303 heads flowed like a dream, and with better internals, they could’ve redefined Pontiac power. But Chevy wasn’t having it-they knew Pontiac was on the verge of breaking the 500 HP barrier.
Appreciate your passion for the '84 Z51, but let’s be real, Cross-Fire was more “miss” than hit. Rated at 205 HP, it struggled compared to other setups of the era. Sure, it can light up the tires, but GM ditching it after two years speaks volumes. The L98 that followed? Way better performer.
@@CookeZachery Respect the Z51, but let’s dig deeper. The Cross-Fire 350 had 205 HP, but torque made it fun off the line. GM moved to L98 for more power 230+ hp and TPI tech, but '84s still laid rubber
@@AilaniMadden Cross-Fire 350 may have torque, but it wasn’t a true powerhouse. The L98's TPI tech brought real muscle with 230+ hp and better breathing. '84s could lay rubber, sure, but L98 Corvettes delivered the torque and top-end performance muscle fans crave....lol...
@haroldleaming2625 Wow, a 1984 Corvette Z51 That’s a legendary ride right there! No doubt it’ll bake the tires off-that Cross-Fire Injection system paired with the Z51 performance package made it a beast on the road, especially for its era. While the '84 model brought Corvette back with a fresh design and modern suspension, many enthusiasts know the challenges of the 305/350 Cross-Fire Injection engines during its earlier years. Still, those who own and love them-like you-know how to unleash their potential. That Z51 setup? Truly built for the track. We’d love to hear more about your experience with your Corvette-what’s been your favorite road trip or upgrade? Drop a comment and share it with the community Remember to like, share, and subscribe to celebrate the legends of American Muscle Cars with us. Wishing you an awesome day and a Happy New Year filled with roaring V8s and tire smoke
Chevrolet skipped the model year while retooling for the all-new C4. The 1984 Corvette launched with the advanced Cross-Fire Injection 5.7L V8, pumping out 205 HP-a step forward in tech at the time. Sure, it wasn’t a horsepower monster compared to earlier muscle cars, but it set the stage for future performance gains.
yes....What really happened in '83 was GM dropped the 'Vette for a year, but it wasn’t because of some ban. The real issue was the Cross-Fire Injection system in the 305 and 350 V8s that year. The system was tough on performance and reliability, which hurt the car’s appeal. Still, the 'Vette bounced back strong in '84
@donaldsalkovick396, you're absolutely right The Corvette was never officially "banned," but 1983 was a year of transformation for this iconic car. Due to production challenges, quality control issues, and the introduction of stricter emission standards, Chevrolet skipped the 1983 model year entirely for the Corvette, focusing instead on perfecting the revolutionary C4 generation launched in 1984. It was a bold move that preserved the Corvette’s reputation as America’s sports car. The Cross-Fire Injection system in the early '80s was innovative for its time, but it came with its share of quirks, making it a topic of debate among enthusiasts even today. What’s your take on the Cross-Fire system and the leap to the C4? Let us know in the comments! Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe to celebrate the enduring legacy of American muscle cars! Have a great day and Happy New Year
@@AdelynDodson Actually, I gotta disagree with you on a couple of points here. The Cross-Fire Injection 350 V8 in the 1984 Corvette made 205 HP, but calling it "advanced" might be a stretch. While it was a step toward modern EFI systems, it had its quirks-performance and reliability weren’t exactly top-notch, and it didn’t scream muscle car power. The skip in '83 wasn’t just about retooling; GM was ironing out issues to ensure the C4 hit right. It wasn’t a horsepower king, but the new chassis and design laid the groundwork for the LT1 and LT5 engines that dominated later.
@@AilaniMadden The Cross-Fire Injection 350 V8 in the '84 Corvette made 205 HP, sure, but calling it "tough on performance" is a bit harsh. It wasn’t perfect, but it was GM’s first big step into modern fuel injection-laying the foundation for the LT1 and LT5 beasts that followed. Plus, skipping the '83 model wasn’t just about Cross-Fire quirks; GM was retooling everything for the C4’s groundbreaking chassis and design. It may not have been a horsepower monster, but it set the stage for the Vettes we still celebrate today.
the ol' Quadrajet gets a lot of heat, but calling it “legendary” isn’t far off for those in the know! Sure, folks love to joke about the “Quadrajunk,” but when dialed in, that spread-bore carb was a beast, offering crisp throttle response and great high-RPM flow-up to 750 or even 800 CFM on certain models. Let’s not forget GM slapped it on everything from the 396 to the 455s for a reason. And Cross-Fire? Yeah, it earned the “Missfire” nickname
The 'Legendary Quadrajet,' huh? it was definitely legendary for testing our patience back in the day! But let’s give it some credit; that Cross-Fire Injection system was GM’s early attempt at fuel injection. It wasn’t perfect, but it paved the way for modern tech. While 1983 might have been a tough year without a new Corvette, it sure made enthusiasts cherish the return of the C4 in '84 even more. And hey, every era teaches us something about performance and innovation! What’s your favorite piece of '80s American muscle tech? Let us know in the comments! Keep sharing your thoughts, subscribe for more muscle car stories, and spread the word to every gearhead you know. Together, let’s keep the muscle car passion alive! Wishing you a fantastic day and a Happy New Year from all of us at Muscle Car Masters
@@600wheel The Quadrajet earned its stripes for good reason. It wasn’t just on GM big blocks like the 396 or 455-it even powered performance icons like the LS6 Chevelle. Sure, it needed a skilled hand to tune, but when dialed in, it delivered unmatched versatility: crisp throttle for street cruising and massive flow for high-RPM blasts.
Respectfully, I’ve got to disagree! While '74-'83 had challenges, calling every car a 'turd' misses some gems. Take the 1978 Pontiac Trans Am, packing the W72 400 engine, delivering a solid 220 hp amidst emissions struggles. Or the 1977-79 Dodge Lil’ Red Express, America’s fastest production vehicle in ‘78 Sure, no Corvette in ‘83, but the C4 launched in ‘84 redefined handling and performance.
@johnnoeth2191 Great observation, John While it’s true that 1974-1983 was a challenging era for the automotive industry, especially with emission regulations, rising fuel costs, and the infamous “malaise era,” let’s not forget some bright spots! Cars like the Pontiac Trans Am and Dodge Lil’ Red Express still delivered that raw muscle car charm we all love. The Ford Mustang Cobra II and Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS may not have been beasts, but they showed the heart of American engineering, even in tough times. 💪 What’s your take on the underappreciated classics of this era? Share your thoughts! And hey, if you love American muscle, don’t forget to comment, share your favorite rides, and subscribe to Muscle Car Masters for more gearhead glory. Let’s keep the spirit of muscle cars alive together Wishing you a fantastic day and a roaring Happy New Year
@@MuscleCarMasters68 The Last of the 455 Super Duty Trans Ams and the 80s Monte Carlos built in Mexico had proper 350 motors not anemic 305's and I'd say these two were exceptions. I like your mention of the Lil Red Express since due to a technicality these were fitted with free flowing exhausts, not heavily detuned and made respectable power and torque. I in fact owned a beautiful 74 Thunderbird that came with a 460 4v and was the last year of true duals without cats. This was the early 90's and I obtained it for under 2000! Once I un-detuned that big block ford, It would do 140+ mph and it was like sitting on your living room couch in comfort!
@@AilaniMadden An 84 Corvette couldn't do a burnout from a dead punch. My POS '97 350vortec Silverado could cook em 100 feet dead punch no brake torque BS. Albeit the trans is a POS. If it can't make 1 HP per cubic inch it is not a performance car.
@@johnnoeth2191 the '84 Corvette! Sure, it wasn’t a C3 big-block bruiser, but that Cross-Fire Injection 350 still put down 205 hp and 290 lb-ft-a respectable launch for its day, especially with a curb weight under 3,200 lbs. Plus, it handled like a dream compared to most trucks or muscle cars then. As for the 1 hp per cubic inch rule, that’s a tall standard, but let’s not forget the legendary L98 350 in later ‘80s Vettes crushed it with 230 hp. Burnouts aside, the ‘84 Vette was a stepping stone to Corvette greatness
I get where you're coming from, but I’ve got to disagree. Sure, the mid-70s to early-80s saw tighter emissions and lower compression ratios that hit horsepower, but there were still some gems. The '77 Pontiac Trans Am with the W72 400 made 200 hp-solid for the time. As for tuned port injection, Buick didn’t roll that out in '83; it was Chevy’s 1985 Corvettes that debuted TPI. Buick was already dominating with the turbocharged Regal in the early 80s, leading to the legendary GNX in '87.
You’re absolutely right! Buick’s Tuned Port Injection (TPI) system really marked a shift in performance technology. First seen in the '83 Regal, it was a game-changer for the brand. By '84, Buick took it up a notch with the turbocharged versions, pushing the envelope on power and efficiency. The TPI really gave those G-body cars a much-needed boost, bringing fuel efficiency without sacrificing that legendary muscle car grunt
@matthewszalkowski4719 Buick's tuned port injection was a game-changer in the early '80s, first showing up on the non-turbo Regal before making its way to the turbo models. This innovation was part of GM's push toward improving fuel efficiency and performance during a challenging era for American performance cars. While Cross-Fire Injection on the 305/350 V8 had its quirks, these steps paved the way for the legendary multi-port fuel injection systems we saw later in the '80s and beyond. Thanks for sharing this gem of knowledge! What’s your favorite fuel injection story from this era? Let us know in the comments! Don't forget to explore more on American Muscle Cars on our channel and hit subscribe so you don’t miss any updates on the iconic rides that shaped history. Wishing you a fantastic day and a Happy New Year, fellow car enthusiast
Hey, I get where you're coming from, but let’s dive deeper. GM's push for innovation, like the mid/rear-engine concepts, showed they were trying to break the mold. Sure, the Cross-Fire Injection on the 305/350 engines wasn’t a home run, but it paved the way for modern fuel injection tech. Pontiac’s role was vital too, but let's not forget their focus was muscle, not high-tech experiments. The 305 Cross-Fire wasn’t perfect, but paired with the right tuning, it could hold its own. True enthusiasts know every misstep is a step toward greatness-just look at what followed with tuned port injection
@bradburk4360 GM had its sights set on a revolutionary rear/mid-engine design, but when those plans stalled, Pontiac indeed stepped in to keep the innovation alive. The 1983 Corvette hiatus was a tough pill to swallow for enthusiasts, but it also set the stage for something truly game-changing-the introduction of the C4 Corvette in 1984. While the Cross-Fire Injection system of the 305/350 V8 may not have been everyone's favorite, it paved the way for GM’s ongoing pursuit of performance and technology. The 1983 gap year is a reminder of how even legends stumble but rise stronger. What do you think about the Cross-Fire system-misstep or misunderstood genius? Let us know in the comments below! Don’t forget to share this with other muscle car fans and subscribe for more American muscle history. Have a fantastic day and Happy New Year
@johncouger That’s awesome to hear your ride runs fine-proof that even in a tough year like 1983, with no new Corvettes and the polarizing Cross-Fire Injection system, some of these machines were built to last! The 305/350 V8 Cross-Fire might have had its critics, but when it’s running right, it still delivers that unmistakable American muscle car vibe-raw, powerful, and full of character. It’s a reminder of how every car tells its own story, even from a challenging chapter like 1983. What’s the story behind yours? Share the details-we’d love to know To everyone watching, let us know about your favorite Corvette memories or your own muscle car stories in the comments! Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe to American Muscle Cars for more in-depth stories and classic car nostalgia. Wishing you a fantastic day and happy driving
Ah, yes. Cease-fire injection. I still have nightmares about working on that junk and i havent seen one since the late '80s. It was a good idea but we speculated it was implemented by a gang of drunk fifth graders.
No...the Cross-Fire Injection system actually used dual 48mm throttle bodies, roughly equivalent to 750 cfm in total airflow-not far off. The real bottleneck wasn’t airflow but that restrictive dual-plane intake manifold, which choked the high-end potential. While rated at 205-215 hp, the 305/350 Cross-Fire wasn’t about peak power but torque and drivability. GM’s focus on emissions and fuel economy at the time held it back. Sure, it wasn’t a classic high-performance setup, but calling it "false info" doesn’t do justice to its unique design.
Thanks for your comment, and you bring up a great point The Cross-Fire Injection system, often criticized for its intake design and restrictive flow, was indeed a factor in limiting horsepower during that era. The dual throttle-body setup wasn’t capable of fully utilizing the airflow potential, which held back the performance, especially for enthusiasts who expected more from their Corvettes. However, it’s worth noting that GM was working to balance emissions regulations, fuel economy, and performance-a tough act back then. What are your thoughts on how the Cross-Fire could have been improved? Let us know in the comments! Also, make sure to check out the channel for more deep dives into American muscle history, from legendary engines to rare models. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe to keep the muscle car legacy alive Wishing you a fantastic day and a Happy New Year
@@AdelynDodson The Cross-Fire Injection system did use dual 48mm throttle bodies, which, combined, are close to 750 cfm in airflow. But you’re spot on about the intake-it was the real villain, not the throttle bodies. That restrictive dual-plane design strangled any chance for high RPM power. Still, the setup wasn’t meant to be a screamer; it was all about low-end torque and smoother drivability while meeting emissions regs. It wasn’t a powerhouse, but dismissing it as "false info" oversimplifies its engineering.
@@KeithGreene-k1v The Cross-Fire had potential, but let’s set the record straight: those 48mm throttle bodies weren’t the problem, it was the intake design choking airflow at higher RPMs. With just 200 hp, it underperformed, but it wasn’t junk. It aimed for emissions compliance and torque, not raw speed. Respect the engineering balance
That '68 Mustang with the HiPo 289 is a beast! The 289 really brought the muscle to life with that 271 horsepower and those high-revving capabilities. It was a true performer, and it was meant to run with the big dogs. I bet it was no contest against his Chevelle. That Mustang was built for speed and to blow those doors off
@@AdelynDodson I gotta disagree with you on this one, but all in good fun! The '68 Mustang with the HiPo 289 is definitely a spirited machine-271 horsepower, solid lifters, and a high-revving small block. But when you stack it up against something like a 396 Chevelle, it's a different ballgame. The Chevelle's big-block torque and 350+ horsepower would outpull the Mustang in a straight line every time.
Hey @patrickcoughlin-qj9uk A 1968 Mustang with a Hi-Po 289? Now that's a legendary setup-lightweight, quick, and built for speed. Sounds like you gave your buddy’s car a lesson in muscle car supremacy! The Cross-Fire Injection system definitely had its quirks, but it’s a fascinating piece of muscle car history. It was GM’s early attempt at fuel injection technology, paving the way for modern systems we see today. While it wasn't perfect, it was part of the innovation that kept the muscle car spirit alive through tough times. We’d love to hear more stories like this-what’s your favorite memory with your Mustang or other classic rides? Drop a comment and share your muscle car moments with us Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share with other fans of American Muscle Cars. Have an awesome day, and Happy New Year
@@Linda-cn3yx the '68 Mustang HiPo 289 is a great little powerhouse with its 271 hp rating, but yeah, that's gross horsepower-if we're talking net, it drops down to around 196 hp. It’s all about that high-revving small-block fun, but when you bring in the big-block Chevelle 396 with over 350 hp and crazy torque, it’s a whole different beast.
The Cross-Fire Injection system wasn’t perfect, but it was a stepping stone in GM’s evolution towards modern fuel injection. The 305/350 engines were limited by emissions regulations of the time, but they still managed to squeeze out respectable performance. The ’83 Corvette’s absence was a disappointment, sure, but it set the stage for the C4’s debut with major improvements.
Hey @geerstyresoil3136, we appreciate your passion for GM It’s true, 1983 was a tough year for Corvette fans, but that's part of what makes its story so legendary. The Cross-Fire Injection System was an ambitious step forward, aiming to balance performance and fuel efficiency during challenging times for the industry. While it wasn’t perfect, it laid the groundwork for the incredible innovations we saw in later Corvettes, like the C4 and beyond. Have an awesome day
I can still picture those swap meets in the 90s, boxes full of Cross-Fire Injection systems going for next to nothing. Everyone jokingly called them ‘Missfire Injection. What a time…
Ah, the good ol' days of swap meets! Sure, Cross-Fire Injection had its quirks, but let's give it credit-it laid groundwork for modern fuel injection. On paper, 205 hp from the '82 Corvette's L83 seemed tame, but it was a step forward in efficiency during a tough era. Corvette's always found a way to blend innovation with iconic style, even when the tech wasn't perfect.
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Cross-Fire Injection? Cool idea, but let’s be real, it’s no match for a proper carb setup or the TPI that came later. 205 hp from the L83 in a ‘Vette felt underwhelming for the nameplate. It paved the way, sure, but muscle’s about power, not just efficiency. Bring on the big blocks...
We always called it the ceasefire.
@@mikee2923 Oh, absolutely....The Cross-Fire system had a bad rep, but it was more about that transitional period for GM, trying to bridge the gap between the old-school carburetor days and fuel injection. It was a solid idea, just poorly executed. But, man, those swap meets were the place to be! You could pick up parts like that for pennies, even if it was a Missfire system. Funny how things come full circle
Wow, what a flashback
Those swap meets in the '90s were something else-boxes of Cross-Fire Injection systems, or as we all jokingly called them, ‘Misfire Injection,’ going for pocket change! It’s amazing how that tech, once the punchline of a joke, is now a nostalgic piece of muscle car history. The Cross-Fire system had its quirks, but it also laid the groundwork for future fuel injection systems we see today.
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Another classic situation were General Motors rush something way too quick into production and the customers and dealerships had to pay for it!
That whole system was a mess from the start. It didn’t just hurt performance, it was prone to reliability issues too. The engine’s design, with its dual throttle bodies, was meant to be innovative, but it just didn’t deliver the punch muscle car enthusiasts expected. GM learned the hard way with that one. They quickly moved to the TPI system, which was a huge improvement.
Absolutely, GM did rush things with the early releases, especially with some of those engines. Take the 1964 Pontiac GTO for example-there were issues with the 389's reliability when it first hit the streets. They pushed it out to stay ahead of Ford's Thunderbolt, but sometimes rushed performance can lead to headaches down the road. It’s a real shame because the cars had so much potential if given more time to refine
@@AdelynDodson The '64 GTO’s 389 Tri-Power setup wasn’t perfect, but it delivered serious muscle-325 HP standard, or 348 HP with the Tri-Power option. That was groundbreaking for the time
@AdelynDodson what about the Chevy Corvair and Vega? The Pontiac Fiero? The Cadillac Cimarron and the 8-6-4 V8 engine. What about the Oldsmobile diesel 350 or Quad 4?
All GM cars and engines rush too quickly into the public hands without enough testing. And we wonder why Toyota is the number one car manufacturer today? 🤔
@@crw3673 You make some solid points, but let’s dig deeper. The Corvair had potential but suffered from overblown safety concerns (thanks, Nader). The Vega? Aluminum engine issues, sure, but its Cosworth variant showed promise. The Fiero? Early ones caught fire, but later models were legit mid-engine contenders. The Cadillac 8-6-4 V8? Innovative, but plagued by tech too ahead of its time. Olds Diesel 350 and Quad 4? Rushed execution marred good ideas. GM wasn’t perfect, but they pushed boundaries. Toyota’s rise? Consistency, not innovation.
We had the 82 z28 305 cross fire for 1.5 years in was 16 n put it through a major test not one problem white with red interior i loved it 😊
the '82 Z28 with the 305 Cross-Fire is definitely a cool piece of early '80s muscle, and it’s awesome to hear yours held up strong! But, let’s be real-305 Cross-Fire wasn’t exactly a powerhouse at 165 hp. Chevy was trying to keep performance alive in tough emissions-regulated times. Compared to the old big-blocks or even later Tuned Port Injection models, the Cross-Fire struggled a bit. Still, the Z28 looked sharp with that aero styling, and white with red interior? Classic combo! Glad you loved it, but for real muscle, you gotta look at the LT1 or L98 era
@DNG1966 Wow, an '82 Z28 with the 305 Cross-Fire Injection? That’s pure nostalgia right there!
A white beauty with a red interior-talk about iconic styling from the golden age of muscle cars. It’s amazing to hear you had such a reliable experience and gave it the ultimate test at just 16! Those Z28s were known for their sleek aero styling, T-tops, and innovative Cross-Fire system that aimed to bring performance and efficiency together. Did you ever get it on the open road and let that 305 V8 roar?
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Sounds like you had a blast with that '82 Z28! The 305 Crossfire was a bit underrated but still packed a punch, especially for the era. The fuel injection system on the Crossfire made it smoother and more efficient than some of the carb setups, but it still had that classic Camaro muscle feel. White with red interior-man, that’s a timeless combo
@@AilaniMadden the 305 Cross-Fire at 165 hp wasn’t breaking any speed records. Sure, it had a unique twin throttle body setup, but it struggled compared to earlier big-blocks or even the Tuned Port Injection that came later in the mid-’80s. Chevy kept the Camaro alive in tough times, and the Z28’s styling was pure fire-especially in white with that red interior. But for serious muscle?
They had it on the 82 model. This is not why the 83 wasn't sold to the public. They did make some.
Hey Mike, actually, the Cross-Fire Injection system debuted in '82, but it wasn't why the '83 Corvette wasn’t publicly sold. GM made about 43 prototypes to test the new platform for the C4. None were sold because it was a transitional year for development. Just a cool piece of Corvette history
yes....The '82 had it, and while they did make some '83s, it wasn't sold to the public due to a variety of issues, including regulations and timing with emissions. The '83 had some solid performance upgrades, but it wasn’t ready for prime time.
@mikeholland1031
the 1982 model did have it, and there’s always been a bit of mystery surrounding why the 1983 wasn’t sold to the public. While it’s true that a few were made, they were mostly pre-production models and prototypes. Rumor has it that tighter emissions regulations and a shift in market demand at the time played a big role in shelving the 1983 release. But hey, these unique quirks in muscle car history are what keep the passion alive for all of us fans, right?
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@MuscleCarMasters68 I heard it was cuz they were still experimenting with the targa top and how big the box could be by the door for support.
@CookeZachery I specifically said it wasn't why they weren't sold. I heard it was targa top and frame testing issues.
It’s telling that GM scrapped the Cross-Fire system after just two years. They never abandon anything that fast unless it’s an absolute disaster. Great content as always, sir.
The Cross-Fire injection was a total flop. It was GM's attempt to improve fuel efficiency, but it just couldn’t keep up with the power needs of a true muscle car. The system had throttle response issues and couldn’t deliver the punch that muscle car enthusiasts crave. GM quickly ditched it, going back to a more reliable carburetor setup.
Thank you for the fantastic comment, fellow enthusiast
GM ditching the Cross-Fire Injection after just two years speaks volumes. It was a bold concept, but it struggled with reliability and performance compared to the carbureted systems it aimed to replace. Many gearheads saw it as an ambitious leap that fell short, especially when paired with emissions regulations of the time. By 1985, Tuned Port Injection stepped in to redeem Chevy's V8 legacy, showing that even setbacks can lead to innovation in the muscle car world
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I had an 84 Corvette and when tuned right it ran really well. I never had an issue with that crossfire. Me and my daughter in it we ran a 14.7in a quarter mile and all stock. I know it wasn't the greatest time but it did run well for what it was. If I remember correctly I believe I got 26 miles a gallon on the highway
Hey, I respect that you had a good experience with the Cross-Fire! It’s cool your ’84 ran a 14.7 and got decent mileage. But as a diehard car fan, I gotta push back a bit. The Cross-Fire system was infamous for its limitations-those throttle-body injectors didn’t flow great, and 205 hp from the L83 350 was underwhelming compared to earlier Corvettes. Tuned right, they ran okay, but they struggled against competition in the muscle car world.
@@KeithGreene-k1v The mustangs at the time would beat me at the big end. Of course that was in the 2000s. I thought about taking the intake off in Port matching and porting the intake but it ran fine for being stock. The only other thing I thought about doing is getting two TBI off of 4.3 with the two throttle plates to put on each side. I looked into it but I would have to change the computer for the amount resistance The injectors would have too much resistance for the computer. I forgot to say I had a 1.7 60 ft time with street tires
@@bobkolar8901 But as a true muscle car fan, I gotta call out the L83’s limits. The 205 hp was underwhelming, especially compared to the C3's peak. Port-matching and better air delivery could’ve helped, but the Cross-Fire’s injectors and ECU were bottlenecks. Those Mustangs probably edged you out on the big end because they had better top-end power. A dual TBI setup sounds wild, but yeah, the stock computer would've hated it.
@bobkolar8901
Wow, that’s a fantastic story, and your ’84 Corvette sounds like it was a real gem
Running a 14.7 in the quarter mile with a stock setup is solid for that era, especially with the Crossfire Injection, which often gets a bad rap. Getting 26 MPG on the highway too? That’s incredible for a V8-powered sports car-proof that when these cars are tuned right, they deliver on performance and efficiency!
Your idea about port matching and upgrading the intake shows some real passion for maximizing the potential of that L83 engine. The dual TBI mod you mentioned could have turned your Corvette into a beast, but keeping it stock and still achieving those numbers shows just how capable these cars are.
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I didn't know this about the cross-fire injection, wow,, 's truly informative Thank you very much for sharing, inspiring, what a great video.
@commandertopgun
Thank you for the awesome comment, partner
Cross-Fire Injection sure is one of those fascinating pieces of muscle car history-love it or hate it, it’s part of what makes these cars so iconic! GM took a bold step with this system in the early '80s, trying to merge performance with fuel efficiency during a tough era for American muscle. While it didn’t always hit the mark, it paved the way for some of the incredible fuel injection systems we see today.
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The 82 Corvette had Crossfire Injecton. The premise is totally wrong.
Crossfire Injection wasn’t perfect, but it debuted on the '82 Corvette. The 5.7L L83 made 200 hp-a jump for the era. Sure, it wasn’t a big-block beast, but it paved the way for modern fuel injection tech. Gotta respect its place in Corvette evolution.
You’re spot on about the '82 Vette and the Crossfire injection! That setup was definitely a game-changer, combining two throttle bodies with a unique dual-port design. It wasn’t quite the high-performance solution fans were hoping for, but it helped with fuel efficiency while still trying to keep the Vette’s muscle car spirit alive.
Hey @Dr_Reason
the 1982 Corvette introduced the Crossfire Injection system, which was a big deal for Chevy back then. It combined two throttle bodies in a unique fuel delivery system, aiming to balance performance and fuel economy during a time of strict emissions regulations. While it didn’t quite match the raw power of earlier models, the Crossfire Injection was an innovative step forward in Corvette history.
Thanks for keeping the muscle car spirit alive, and have a fantastic day
The malaise era really did a number on cars, plastic everywhere, horsepower barely breaking 150. A tough time for enthusiasts, to say the least.
I hear you on the malaise era struggles, but let’s not sell the era too short. Sure, horsepower took a hit thanks to emissions regulations and fuel crises, but innovation didn’t stop. Take the Buick 3.8L turbocharged V6-by the ‘80s, it was pushing the Grand National to over 200 HP, paving the way for performance revival. Even those Cross-Fire systems had potential if dialed in right. It was a tough time, but enthusiasts kept the spirit alive through swaps and mods.
@AilaniMadden
those were tough times for enthusiasts. The malaise era hit American cars hard, with emissions regulations, oil crises, and corporate cost-cutting taking their toll. Plastic dashboards, low horsepower, and lackluster designs were a far cry from the roaring '60s and early '70s muscle cars we all love. The Cross-Fire Injection System in the 1983 Corvettes was a bold but flawed attempt to adapt to the times, but hey, it paved the way for the return of performance innovation later!
What’s your favorite comeback story from this era? Maybe the rebirth of horsepower in the '80s with models like the Buick Grand National or the Fox Body Mustang?
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Na. If you knew what you were doing under the hood of a car you could swap in some old school parts that make some serious power still. Most of these cars got intake and carburetor swaps with cams and heads anyways.
@@kskip4242 yes....Sure, they were factory-strangled by emissions regs and low compression, but swap in high-flow heads, a performance cam, and a properly tuned carburetor, and you could easily double that factory 150 hp. Guys in the '70s were turning these into street beasts with aftermarket intakes, headers, and hotter ignitions.
@@kskip4242 With some know-how, those "malaise era" cars can roar to life with the right upgrades. Swapping in a high-rise intake, a performance carburetor, or throwing in a hotter cam and better heads can make those old rides scream like it’s 1970 again. Enthusiasts back then were all about getting creative under the hood, and it’s no different today. The Fox Body Mustang is a prime example of a platform that came alive with the right mods, and let’s not forget the Buick Grand National-it took turbocharged performance to a whole new level.
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I've owned my '84 corvette for 36 yrs. It has 107000 miles on it and over the years I've replaced many many parts on the car but have never had any issues with the Rochester crossfire fuel injection system. It used to get 27 mpg on the highway.
I had a 1982 collector edition corvette. I bought it from a wreking yard due to an engine fire in 1995. Turned out that I couldnt find the upper engine wireing harness. I contacted every corvette wrecking yard in the US. A number of them said that the only 1982s that they see are due to an engine fire. The computer couldnt keep up and under certain circumstances the engine would back fire, blowing flaming fuel into the fiberglass tunnel built into the hood. Back then crossfire was nicknamed forest fire injection. Years after selling the car i learned that a speed shop was modifying the computer from a 1995 blazer to replace the 1982 crossfire computer to eliminate the fires. I finally found the wire harness at a after market harness maker. They had 2 they were using as a pattern for when they could get the distributer connector sourced. My advice is leave fire damaged 82 corvettes in the garbage.
I hear you on the challenges with the '82 Collector Edition and the Crossfire setup, but I gotta disagree-don’t sleep on that car’s potential! Sure, Crossfire got the "Forest Fire Injection" nickname, but when properly tuned (or swapped with modern tech like you mentioned), it can shine. The L83 was underrated at 200 hp, and with upgrades, it’s capable of much more. Plus, that fiberglass hood and liftback design were ahead of their time. Instead of trashing it, some see these as opportunities to turn a flawed gem into a real street beast.
@@AilaniMadden The '82 Collector Edition deserves a second look. Yeah, the Crossfire had its quirks, but that L83 was underrated at 200 hp, and with modern tuning or a standalone ECU, it can breathe fire-in a good way. The lightweight fiberglass hood and sleek liftback weren’t just ahead of their time; they scream potential for performance and style. Plenty of enthusiasts have turned these "fire hazards" into reliable street machines. Sure, it was flawed stock, but isn’t fixing that what being a gearhead is all about?
@davidster1704 Wow, what a story
The 1982 Collector Edition Corvette is such a unique piece of history, but it sure came with its quirks, especially that infamous Cross-Fire Injection system! Your journey to restore it shows real dedication-contacting wrecking yards nationwide, hunting for a wiring harness, and learning about the modified Blazer computer years later. It's wild how something like the Cross-Fire earned the nickname “Forest Fire Injection.” It’s a tough lesson, but your advice about steering clear of fire-damaged ’82 Corvettes is gold for anyone thinking of taking on a similar project.
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BS, I had an 84 Vette with Crossfire injection Never had a problem with it. Even added the in-line chip from Indy Speed shop and removed most of the lag on the low end. TUNED PORT WAS BETTER, BUT CROSSFIRE WAS a good system
Respect for sticking up for the Crossfire Injection, but let’s dig deeper. While it had potential, Crossfire was plagued by limited airflow and tuning challenges, especially compared to Tuned Port Injection (TPI), which brought serious improvements in throttle response and performance. The 305/350 engines in the early ‘80s were choked by emissions restrictions, and the Corvette suffered for it-1983 was a skipped model year, after all. Not saying Crossfire was junk, but compared to TPI's better intake design and power delivery, it was a stepping stone.
Yes....The Crossfire injection gets way too much hate. Sure, the Tuned Port is a step up, but that Crossfire setup wasn’t as bad as people think. I ran it for years with no issues, just like you. Adding the chip from Indy Speed Shop really helps clean up the low-end throttle response, and when tuned right, it can be a solid performer.
@powhatan1165 That’s awesome to hear about your ’84 Vette with Crossfire Injection! It’s great to see someone who’s had firsthand success with the system. While the Crossfire got a lot of criticism back in the day for its quirks, enthusiasts like you have shown how proper tuning, like adding that Indy Speed Shop chip, can really unlock its potential. You’re right-Tuned Port Injection (TPI) is often seen as the next step, but Crossfire definitely has its place in Corvette history, especially as it kept the C3 alive during tough times.
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I had an 84. Lost cylinder num4.. valve dropped fuel injection worked ok not perfect but better than a carb all day long
@@castlegarage6969 I’m sorry to hear about the cylinder and valve issue! The thing with those 84 engines is they were still working out a few kinks, but once everything's dialed in, they can really impress. Even with some hiccups, fuel injection gave us smoother starts and better throttle response. Plus, it's much easier to tune for performance when it's all sorted.
My old man was a mechanic back in the day.I can't even count on both hands and both feet.How many Carburetor swaps he did on these.
@kskip4242
That’s an awesome memory! Your old man must have been one heck of a mechanic to handle all those carb swaps back in the day. It’s incredible how those carburetors were the heart of muscle cars, from Holley Double Pumpers to Rochester Quadrajets, keeping those beasts roaring down the streets. Back then, swapping carbs wasn’t just about performance; it was an art form that kept the soul of American muscle alive.
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@MuscleCarMasters68 He had many old fords he muscled up. He always bragged about his built 302 Windsor in his 68 Ford fairlane that would gap big blocks lol. I was not born yet for that one. But me and him built a 71 maverick with a 302 in it together. Honorable mentions, 74 2dr Ltd 351windsor, 73 Lincoln Is continental with a built 460. He was a connoisseur of carburetors, He could get inside of them and fix all the factory defaults And you would never have to even pump the gas.They would start just like fuel injections It was unreal. His favorite carb was the Q-jet, he put them on his fords because He swore you would get the best gas mileage and the best performance with them.And we both love the sound of those big secondaries opening up! The 460 he had had the rare spread bore intake That came originally with a thermoquad carter carburetor. He had a built quadrogen on it after he built the 460. I could go on for hours Is telling stories lol.
I've owned my '84 C4 corvette or 36 years and have 107000 miles on it. I've replaced several parts over the years but never had a ptoblem with the crossfire fuel injection which is all original.
Crossfire was used in the Camaro and Firebird in 1982 and 1983 only. In 1984 LG4 And late production L69 both with carbs
@bobbylindvest9911 You’re spot on about the 1982-83 Crossfire setup, definitely a unique piece of GM history! By 1984, the LG4 V8 made a return with carburetors, which was a breath of fresh air for muscle car fans. The late-production L69 option, with its 305ci and a higher compression ratio, gave the Firebird and Camaro a bit more punch. Those carb’d engines definitely gave that old-school muscle feel we all love
@@AdelynDodson the Crossfire setup in '82-'83 Camaro and Firebird was a bold GM experiment, but I’ve got to disagree a bit on the "breath of fresh air" for 1984. While the LG4 brought carburetors back, it was still saddled with 150hp-hardly the muscle we crave. Now, the L69 305ci was a step in the right direction, boasting 190hp thanks to a higher compression ratio and a hotter cam.
@bobbylindvest9911
Thanks for chiming in with that detailed insight! You're absolutely right-the Cross-Fire Injection system made its brief appearance in the Camaro and Firebird in 1982 and 1983 before giving way to the LG4 and the high-output L69 in late 1984. The L69, with its dual-snorkel air cleaner and functional hood scoop, was an underrated powerhouse for carburetor enthusiasts. It’s fascinating how GM transitioned through these systems while refining performance during this era.
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I thought it skipped 83 due to the adaption of the targa top and the increase in the frame rails to sign the car with the structural targa removed. Crossfire was already a thing.
Hey @bigikediesel, great observation
the Crossfire injection system already being in use, and the targa top changes were a big factor. The 1983 skipped model year for the Corvette was indeed an interesting chapter in its history. Chevrolet was making huge strides in design and safety, including beefing up the frame rails for the structural integrity of the removable targa. They wanted to ensure the C4 was a groundbreaking model, which meant taking extra time to refine its engineering. While there were prototypes built in '83, none officially hit the market until the stunning 1984 C4.
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I wish TH-cam would put a label on the thumbnail of these AI videos so I could skip them all together
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A couple weeks ago, someone offered my wife a 1984 corvette for $30,000. She sent a picture, and it was an 82 with a cheap body kit🤣🤣🤣
Haha, classic case of "close, but no cigar!" An ’82 with a body kit pretending to be an ’84 is a hard pass, especially at $30K! The Cross-Fire Injection system wasn’t exactly GM’s finest hour-it’s like a carburetor and EFI hybrid, but it left much to be desired in performance. The 305 and 350 V8s made 165-200 hp, far from the muscle era’s glory. GM was gearing up for the C4 debut, and 1983 had no production Corvette. They needed a year to nail it. A real fan would hold out for a cleaner, legit C3 or early C4 instead
that is lucky for you and wife because they did not offer a 1983 Corvette...LOL
@KeithGreene-k1v my wife's familiar with them enough. She drives a 96 collectors edition. Which I love and want to take from her badly 🤣🤣🤣
@@buildingracingvideos4714 As for the ’96 Collector’s Edition, that’s a serious piece of history right there! It’s got the LT4 V8, pushing 330 hp and 340 lb-ft of torque, which is a big step up from the earlier years. That engine really brought some performance back to the table, and that Corvette's definitely got some muscle. Bet your wife’s got a real gem on her hands
It's crazy how some people try to pull that off. The '84 Vette had the crossfire injection, which wasn't exactly a powerhouse, but at least it wasn’t rocking that "cheapy body kit" look! Honestly, you could get a real steal with an '84 if it's in good shape, but that body kit on an '82?....lol
@KeithGreene-k1v I love it. I was never much of a corvette guy until she showed up with it. I had driven c5s and c6s, but I just wasn't feeling them. This c4 is a totally different animal. For me, it has so much better feeling. An actual throttle cable that's connected to an amazing 350 for any time period. All in a 3,300 lbs package.
Just sold my c7 in 10000 miles it was towed twice n had so many issues but it was fastest car I've been in but unaffordable car money pit z28 was still cool but slower than molasses 😅
those LS engines are beasts, especially the LT4 in the Z06, pumping out 650 hp and 650 lb-ft of torque. As for the Z/28, it’s a different animal-a track-focused monster with the LS7, 505 hp, and a glorious 7,000 RPM redline. It wasn’t built for straight-line speed but to dominate corners, where it holds its own with world-class handling. Sure, they’ve got quirks, but these cars are icons for a reason
@DNG1966, thanks for sharing your story
Sounds like you had quite the ride with your C7-fast as lightning but definitely a wallet drainer! It’s true, the Z28 might not win drag races against modern cars, but it has that unmistakable old-school muscle charm that stands the test of time. That’s the beauty of American Muscle Cars: they each have a unique character, whether it’s speed, style, or nostalgia. The Cross-Fire Injection era sure had its quirks, but it paved the way for the innovation we see today.
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The C7's a beast for sure, but man, those maintenance issues can really add up. As for the Z28, it's a great car, but yeah, it doesn’t quite hit like the big muscle cars we love. I’d take a classic 427 V8 or a 426 HEMI over it any day-those engines really put you back in your seat.
Say what you will about performance hiccups, Corvette has always been a standout in design, even during its rough patches.
True, the malaise era hit hard, but Corvette never lost its spirit. Even in the '70s, its L82 and later Cross-Fire Injection engines pushed boundaries, delivering up to 230 hp. Not peak muscle, but it kept innovating when many gave up.
@@AilaniMadden You make a solid point about Corvette’s spirit, but let’s break it down. The L82, while respectable for the time, wasn’t exactly pushing boundaries-230 hp in the late ’70s pales against the muscle legends of the '60s. And the Cross-Fire Injection? Innovative, sure, but it struggled with reliability and wasn’t a performance game-changer. What kept Corvette alive wasn’t just innovation-it was its unwavering focus on being a true sports car. Even during the malaise era, its chassis dynamics and iconic styling kept it relevant. Corvette endured, but let’s be real-it was surviving, not thriving, during those years.
Hi @AdelynDodson
despite the performance challenges, the Corvette’s design has always been iconic, even during the tougher years. The 1983 model year is a unique chapter in Corvette history, and while the Cross-Fire Injection system had its flaws, it was a bold step in blending performance with evolving emissions standards. Let’s not forget, this period set the stage for the revolutionary C4 Corvette in 1984, which pushed boundaries in aerodynamics and handling.
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Sadly, the 302 crossram in 69 would really churn north of 500 hp
The factory Z/28 302 was rated at 290 HP (underrated for insurance), and even with the Cross Ram dual four-barrel setup, it realistically made closer to 400 HP at high RPM. It was a high-revving, small-block beast, but 500 HP is a stretch without major mods.
Car and driver dyno tested at 425 to 460 on a great day with breakerless ignition
@MatthewSzalkowski4719 Wow, you really know your stuff
The 302 Cross Ram from '69 was an engineering marvel, no doubt. It's incredible how underrated those small-blocks were. You’re right-the real-world dyno numbers could show impressive results, especially with tuned setups and breakerless ignitions. Many enthusiasts say that when the Cross Ram was dialed in just right, it became an absolute beast, producing that signature high-revving power that defined the Trans Am series. What a time to be alive for muscle car fans
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@@CookeZachery the Z/28 302-definitely a legendary small-block! But let’s dig into the numbers a bit. That factory 290 HP rating was pure insurance bait, no doubt. While the Cross Ram dual four-barrel setup boosted performance, hitting 425-460 HP on a dyno would be an exception with fine-tuning, optimal conditions, and mods like breakerless ignition. The factory setup realistically made closer to 375-400 HP. Hitting 500 HP is a tall order without a cam swap, higher compression, or head work.
@@AilaniMadden I love the passion for the Z/28 302, it’s an icon, no doubt! But let’s break it down. That 290 HP rating? Total sandbagging for insurance. With the Cross Ram, you're right 400 HP is realistic at screaming RPMs, but even 425-460 HP took serious tuning and conditions most factory setups didn’t see. Breaking 500 HP? You’re in custom territory, think bigger cam, higher compression, or ported heads. Don’t forget, the DZ302 wasn’t about raw horsepower; it was a precision tool for high-revving domination, perfect for the SCCA Trans-Am circuit. It’s a small-block legend built for balance and handling, not just peak numbers
The 89hp Corvette.
Oh, I totally remember those days! The Cross-Fire Injection system really got a bad rap back then. It was designed to give the Corvette better fuel efficiency, but it just didn’t have the punch like the old carb setups. The 350 V8 was still a beast, though, even with the 'Missfire.' The 89 Corvette had the potential, just not with that system.
@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 Thanks for the comment
The "89hp Corvette" is a legendary joke among enthusiasts when talking about the early '80s and the infamous Cross-Fire Injection system. While it wasn’t really 89 horsepower (more like 200hp for the Corvette in those days), it sure felt like it compared to the muscle cars of the '60s and '70s! The early '80s were tough for performance cars, but that period helped pave the way for some incredible innovations we’d see later. By the mid-'80s, Corvette came roaring back with the C4 and its Tuned Port Injection system, reclaiming its place as America’s sports car.
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4.3 central point injection
But let’s give credit where it’s due: the 305 and 350 V8s were still solid engines mechanically. The Cross-Fire system was an early attempt at fuel injection, and while it had its quirks, it was an evolution step that paved the way for the powerhouse systems we saw later, like the Tuned Port Injection. Sure, 1983 lacked a Corvette, but the era set the stage for better engineering.
@Matthewszalkowski4719 Thanks for bringing up the legendary 4.3 Central Point Injection
It was GM's next step in fuel injection technology, offering better efficiency and smoother performance compared to carburetors. While the Cross-Fire Injection system of the early '80s often gets mixed reviews, the CPI setup was a precursor to GM’s advancements in electronic fuel injection, paving the way for future powerhouses like the LT1 and LS-series engines.
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There were delays for the C4 Corvette's release so it ended up being a 1984 model.The 1984 C4 Corvette still had the crappy cross fire injection 5.7 liter 350 V8 engine.The newer tune port injection 5.7 liter V8 was a better engine.
Absolutely, the 1984 C4 Corvette did feature the Cross-Fire Injection 5.7L 350 V8, which some enthusiasts see as underwhelming. However, calling it "crappy" might be a bit harsh. It delivered 205 hp and 290 lb-ft of torque-not groundbreaking, but a solid step in transitioning Corvette into the modern era. The Tuned Port Injection (TPI) 5.7L V8 introduced in 1985 was indeed a performance leap with 230 hp, better throttle response, and smoother power delivery. But let's give credit to the Cross-Fire for paving the way for advancements in fuel injection technology, setting the stage for the TPI's success
The '84 C4 Corvette was a bit of a letdown with that Crossfire injection setup - not the best for performance. The '85 models with the Tuned Port Injection 5.7L V8 were a serious improvement, though. The TPI system provided better airflow and efficiency, which made a noticeable difference in both power and throttle response. That engine truly woke up the C4 and gave it the muscle it deserved
@Darren-r8l The 1984 C4 Corvette was indeed delayed, making it a standout for its debut year. While the Cross-Fire Injection 5.7L V8 wasn't everyone’s favorite due to its finicky performance, it paved the way for improvements. By 1985, Chevrolet introduced the Tuned Port Injection system, transforming the 350 V8 into a more efficient and powerful engine. This leap forward truly embodied the Corvette's commitment to performance and innovation-something every muscle car fan can appreciate.
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Absolutely, @CookeZachery, the 1984 C4 Corvette gets a lot of mixed reactions, but let's take a moment to appreciate its role in Corvette history. Sure, the Cross-Fire Injection 5.7L V8 wasn’t a powerhouse, but at 205 hp and 290 lb-ft of torque, it helped transition the Corvette into a new era of performance engineering. Plus, the TPI system that followed in 1985 wouldn’t have been the same without the lessons learned from the Cross-Fire! Let’s not forget the groundbreaking design of the C4-the sharp, angular body, digital dashboard, and overall futuristic vibe defined the '80s and turned heads everywhere.
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@@MuscleCarMasters68 Yes... The 1984 C4 Corvette’s Cross-Fire 5.7L V8 may not have been a dragstrip king, but it was an important step forward in Corvette history. While 205 hp wasn’t mind-blowing, it helped bridge the gap to the TPI engine that really upped the game. The C4’s sharp styling and tech-forward features like the digital dash made it a true '80s icon
Cease-Fire injection
@pdennis93 Cease-Fire Injection was an early GM attempt at fuel injection, but it fell short of its promise. Only 283 hp from the Corvette’s 283? Rochester Ramjet fuel injection was a game-changer later, pushing over 315 hp.
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The Cross-Fire Injection system from 1983 has earned its place in muscle car history, but not exactly for the best reasons. This unique system was GM’s early attempt at electronic fuel injection, combining two throttle body injectors on a dual-plenum intake. While innovative for its time, it was plagued by reliability issues and underwhelming performance, especially when compared to the raw power muscle car fans expected. It wasn’t until later years that GM refined its fuel injection technology to meet the Corvette’s legendary standards.
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11:51 the answer to the question in the title.
@patrickradcliffe3837 Great catch at 11:51
The 1983 Corvette was indeed a unique chapter in automotive history. While enthusiasts missed out on owning a '1983' model, it set the stage for the groundbreaking C4 Corvette in 1984. The Cross-Fire Injection system may not have been perfect, but it was an innovative step toward blending performance with stricter emissions standards of the era. Love it or not, it’s part of what makes Corvette history so fascinating!
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GM was again in Corvette protection mode. The 3rd generation Trans Am was originally slated to get the Pontiac 301 turbo engine. This is evidenced by most high performance 3rd generation Firebirds having the same offset hood bulge as the late 2nd generation Firebirds. While the 301 turbo was hardly a good engine, it made more power than the Corvette did. And with some refinement, it could’ve been a monster. Considering Buick made an underrated 276 HP with the GNX 3.8 turbo V6, it isn’t unrealistic to believe the 301 would’ve eclipsed 300 HP by 1987. Something the Corvette didn’t do until the mid 90s. God forbid a regular production Pontiac would beat a Corvette.
I get where you’re coming from, but the 301 Turbo wasn’t the monster you’re imagining. It struggled with reliability and limited potential compared to the GNX 3.8. Corvette protection aside, Pontiac needed a stronger base to rival Chevy's engineering. A refined 301 hitting 300+ hp? A long shot, sadly.
@ Yes the 301 was garbage. But so was the initial Buick 3.8 V6. If the 301 would’ve had a sturdier bottom end, better flowing heads and electronic fuel injection to properly tune the boost, it would’ve been a monster. Don’t forget Pontiac made the Ram Air V which was a 303 CI for Trans Am racing in the late 60s. It had heads that would feed that engine at 7500 RPM all day long. Only the bottom end wasn’t up for the task. Pontiac wanted to use those heads for larger production V8s until Chevrolet cried because Pontiac was getting close to 500 HP out of a production 400 just using 303 parts. Those heads would bolt to any Pontiac V8 but required a different intake, cam and exhaust manifolds. This is because the port arrangements were along the lines of a BBC.
@@mikee2923 I hear you, but I’ve gotta push back a bit. The 301 Turbo had potential, but even with EFI and better flowing heads, it wasn’t in the same league as Pontiac’s Ram Air V or Buick’s 3.8 GNX. The 301’s lightweight design sacrificed bottom-end strength, which limited its reliability under boost. The Ram Air V, though, was a beast-those BBC-inspired heads could’ve redefined Pontiac V8s if GM politics hadn’t intervened. But let’s be real: turning the 301 into a 300+ hp contender would’ve required a complete redesign. Cool concept, but Pontiac’s magic was in its bigger cubes and uncompromising engineering.
@mikee2923 What a fantastic insight into GM's history with the Corvette and Pontiac rivalry
the 3rd-gen Trans Am had serious potential with the 301 turbo, and the hood bulge is a clear nod to its performance-oriented roots. Imagine if Pontiac had refined that 301 turbo to GNX-level power-over 300 HP by 1987 would have been a game-changer! It’s wild to think how GM’s Corvette-first strategy may have held back some incredible muscle cars. The Firebird could’ve truly soared higher, challenging the Corvette as a true street dominator.
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@@mikee2923 no.. disagree about the 301 being total garbage. Sure, it had its limits, but it wasn't designed to be a high-performance mill like Pontiac's legendary Ram Air engines. The 301 Turbo showed potential but lacked the robust bottom end and airflow needed for big power. Now, the Ram Air V? Absolute legend! Those 303 heads flowed like a dream, and with better internals, they could’ve redefined Pontiac power. But Chevy wasn’t having it-they knew Pontiac was on the verge of breaking the 500 HP barrier.
I have a 1984 corvette z51 mine will bake the tires off. This guy never drove one
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Appreciate your passion for the '84 Z51, but let’s be real, Cross-Fire was more “miss” than hit. Rated at 205 HP, it struggled compared to other setups of the era. Sure, it can light up the tires, but GM ditching it after two years speaks volumes. The L98 that followed? Way better performer.
@@CookeZachery Respect the Z51, but let’s dig deeper. The Cross-Fire 350 had 205 HP, but torque made it fun off the line. GM moved to L98 for more power 230+ hp and TPI tech, but '84s still laid rubber
@@AilaniMadden Cross-Fire 350 may have torque, but it wasn’t a true powerhouse. The L98's TPI tech brought real muscle with 230+ hp and better breathing. '84s could lay rubber, sure, but L98 Corvettes delivered the torque and top-end performance muscle fans crave....lol...
@haroldleaming2625 Wow, a 1984 Corvette Z51
That’s a legendary ride right there! No doubt it’ll bake the tires off-that Cross-Fire Injection system paired with the Z51 performance package made it a beast on the road, especially for its era. While the '84 model brought Corvette back with a fresh design and modern suspension, many enthusiasts know the challenges of the 305/350 Cross-Fire Injection engines during its earlier years. Still, those who own and love them-like you-know how to unleash their potential. That Z51 setup? Truly built for the track.
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This car was never "banned "
Chevrolet skipped the model year while retooling for the all-new C4. The 1984 Corvette launched with the advanced Cross-Fire Injection 5.7L V8, pumping out 205 HP-a step forward in tech at the time. Sure, it wasn’t a horsepower monster compared to earlier muscle cars, but it set the stage for future performance gains.
yes....What really happened in '83 was GM dropped the 'Vette for a year, but it wasn’t because of some ban. The real issue was the Cross-Fire Injection system in the 305 and 350 V8s that year. The system was tough on performance and reliability, which hurt the car’s appeal. Still, the 'Vette bounced back strong in '84
@donaldsalkovick396, you're absolutely right
The Corvette was never officially "banned," but 1983 was a year of transformation for this iconic car. Due to production challenges, quality control issues, and the introduction of stricter emission standards, Chevrolet skipped the 1983 model year entirely for the Corvette, focusing instead on perfecting the revolutionary C4 generation launched in 1984. It was a bold move that preserved the Corvette’s reputation as America’s sports car.
The Cross-Fire Injection system in the early '80s was innovative for its time, but it came with its share of quirks, making it a topic of debate among enthusiasts even today. What’s your take on the Cross-Fire system and the leap to the C4? Let us know in the comments!
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@@AdelynDodson Actually, I gotta disagree with you on a couple of points here. The Cross-Fire Injection 350 V8 in the 1984 Corvette made 205 HP, but calling it "advanced" might be a stretch. While it was a step toward modern EFI systems, it had its quirks-performance and reliability weren’t exactly top-notch, and it didn’t scream muscle car power. The skip in '83 wasn’t just about retooling; GM was ironing out issues to ensure the C4 hit right. It wasn’t a horsepower king, but the new chassis and design laid the groundwork for the LT1 and LT5 engines that dominated later.
@@AilaniMadden The Cross-Fire Injection 350 V8 in the '84 Corvette made 205 HP, sure, but calling it "tough on performance" is a bit harsh. It wasn’t perfect, but it was GM’s first big step into modern fuel injection-laying the foundation for the LT1 and LT5 beasts that followed. Plus, skipping the '83 model wasn’t just about Cross-Fire quirks; GM was retooling everything for the C4’s groundbreaking chassis and design. It may not have been a horsepower monster, but it set the stage for the Vettes we still celebrate today.
“Legendary Quadrajet”😂😂 😂😂 in a way I guess🤣🤣🤣
the ol' Quadrajet gets a lot of heat, but calling it “legendary” isn’t far off for those in the know! Sure, folks love to joke about the “Quadrajunk,” but when dialed in, that spread-bore carb was a beast, offering crisp throttle response and great high-RPM flow-up to 750 or even 800 CFM on certain models. Let’s not forget GM slapped it on everything from the 396 to the 455s for a reason. And Cross-Fire? Yeah, it earned the “Missfire” nickname
The 'Legendary Quadrajet,' huh?
it was definitely legendary for testing our patience back in the day! But let’s give it some credit; that Cross-Fire Injection system was GM’s early attempt at fuel injection. It wasn’t perfect, but it paved the way for modern tech. While 1983 might have been a tough year without a new Corvette, it sure made enthusiasts cherish the return of the C4 in '84 even more. And hey, every era teaches us something about performance and innovation!
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You mean quadrapuke, quadrafail, quadrajunk, quadracrap
@ I love them when they work they work and you cannot beat that sound when the secondary is open but calling them legendary is bold
@@600wheel The Quadrajet earned its stripes for good reason. It wasn’t just on GM big blocks like the 396 or 455-it even powered performance icons like the LS6 Chevelle. Sure, it needed a skilled hand to tune, but when dialed in, it delivered unmatched versatility: crisp throttle for street cruising and massive flow for high-RPM blasts.
Bottom line.. any car made between 1974 and 1983 was a turd.
Respectfully, I’ve got to disagree! While '74-'83 had challenges, calling every car a 'turd' misses some gems. Take the 1978 Pontiac Trans Am, packing the W72 400 engine, delivering a solid 220 hp amidst emissions struggles. Or the 1977-79 Dodge Lil’ Red Express, America’s fastest production vehicle in ‘78
Sure, no Corvette in ‘83, but the C4 launched in ‘84 redefined handling and performance.
@johnnoeth2191 Great observation, John
While it’s true that 1974-1983 was a challenging era for the automotive industry, especially with emission regulations, rising fuel costs, and the infamous “malaise era,” let’s not forget some bright spots! Cars like the Pontiac Trans Am and Dodge Lil’ Red Express still delivered that raw muscle car charm we all love. The Ford Mustang Cobra II and Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS may not have been beasts, but they showed the heart of American engineering, even in tough times. 💪
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@@MuscleCarMasters68 The Last of the 455 Super Duty Trans Ams and the 80s Monte Carlos built in Mexico had proper 350 motors not anemic 305's and I'd say these two were exceptions. I like your mention of the Lil Red Express since due to a technicality these were fitted with free flowing exhausts, not heavily detuned and made respectable power and torque.
I in fact owned a beautiful 74 Thunderbird
that came with a 460 4v and was the last year of true duals without cats. This was the early 90's and I obtained it for under 2000! Once I un-detuned that big block ford, It would do 140+ mph and it was like sitting on your living room couch in comfort!
@@AilaniMadden An 84 Corvette couldn't do a burnout from a dead punch. My POS '97 350vortec Silverado could cook em 100 feet dead punch no brake torque BS. Albeit the trans is a POS. If it can't make 1 HP per cubic inch it is not a performance car.
@@johnnoeth2191 the '84 Corvette! Sure, it wasn’t a C3 big-block bruiser, but that Cross-Fire Injection 350 still put down 205 hp and 290 lb-ft-a respectable launch for its day, especially with a curb weight under 3,200 lbs. Plus, it handled like a dream compared to most trucks or muscle cars then. As for the 1 hp per cubic inch rule, that’s a tall standard, but let’s not forget the legendary L98 350 in later ‘80s Vettes crushed it with 230 hp. Burnouts aside, the ‘84 Vette was a stepping stone to Corvette greatness
Then buick came out tuned port injection in 83 first uesd on a non turbo regal then turbo
I get where you're coming from, but I’ve got to disagree. Sure, the mid-70s to early-80s saw tighter emissions and lower compression ratios that hit horsepower, but there were still some gems. The '77 Pontiac Trans Am with the W72 400 made 200 hp-solid for the time. As for tuned port injection, Buick didn’t roll that out in '83; it was Chevy’s 1985 Corvettes that debuted TPI. Buick was already dominating with the turbocharged Regal in the early 80s, leading to the legendary GNX in '87.
You’re absolutely right! Buick’s Tuned Port Injection (TPI) system really marked a shift in performance technology. First seen in the '83 Regal, it was a game-changer for the brand. By '84, Buick took it up a notch with the turbocharged versions, pushing the envelope on power and efficiency. The TPI really gave those G-body cars a much-needed boost, bringing fuel efficiency without sacrificing that legendary muscle car grunt
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Buick's tuned port injection was a game-changer in the early '80s, first showing up on the non-turbo Regal before making its way to the turbo models. This innovation was part of GM's push toward improving fuel efficiency and performance during a challenging era for American performance cars. While Cross-Fire Injection on the 305/350 V8 had its quirks, these steps paved the way for the legendary multi-port fuel injection systems we saw later in the '80s and beyond.
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GM wanted to go rear/mid engine, failed! Pontiac took up the slack
Hey, I get where you're coming from, but let’s dive deeper. GM's push for innovation, like the mid/rear-engine concepts, showed they were trying to break the mold. Sure, the Cross-Fire Injection on the 305/350 engines wasn’t a home run, but it paved the way for modern fuel injection tech. Pontiac’s role was vital too, but let's not forget their focus was muscle, not high-tech experiments. The 305 Cross-Fire wasn’t perfect, but paired with the right tuning, it could hold its own. True enthusiasts know every misstep is a step toward greatness-just look at what followed with tuned port injection
@bradburk4360
GM had its sights set on a revolutionary rear/mid-engine design, but when those plans stalled, Pontiac indeed stepped in to keep the innovation alive. The 1983 Corvette hiatus was a tough pill to swallow for enthusiasts, but it also set the stage for something truly game-changing-the introduction of the C4 Corvette in 1984. While the Cross-Fire Injection system of the 305/350 V8 may not have been everyone's favorite, it paved the way for GM’s ongoing pursuit of performance and technology.
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Mine runs fine and have had no problems
@johncouger That’s awesome to hear your ride runs fine-proof that even in a tough year like 1983, with no new Corvettes and the polarizing Cross-Fire Injection system, some of these machines were built to last! The 305/350 V8 Cross-Fire might have had its critics, but when it’s running right, it still delivers that unmistakable American muscle car vibe-raw, powerful, and full of character.
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Ah, yes. Cease-fire injection. I still have nightmares about working on that junk and i havent seen one since the late '80s. It was a good idea but we speculated it was implemented by a gang of drunk fifth graders.
It was no near near 750cfm, the intake was a big restriction and the main reason for low HP. So much false info here.
No...the Cross-Fire Injection system actually used dual 48mm throttle bodies, roughly equivalent to 750 cfm in total airflow-not far off. The real bottleneck wasn’t airflow but that restrictive dual-plane intake manifold, which choked the high-end potential. While rated at 205-215 hp, the 305/350 Cross-Fire wasn’t about peak power but torque and drivability. GM’s focus on emissions and fuel economy at the time held it back. Sure, it wasn’t a classic high-performance setup, but calling it "false info" doesn’t do justice to its unique design.
Thanks for your comment, and you bring up a great point
The Cross-Fire Injection system, often criticized for its intake design and restrictive flow, was indeed a factor in limiting horsepower during that era. The dual throttle-body setup wasn’t capable of fully utilizing the airflow potential, which held back the performance, especially for enthusiasts who expected more from their Corvettes. However, it’s worth noting that GM was working to balance emissions regulations, fuel economy, and performance-a tough act back then.
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@@AdelynDodson The Cross-Fire Injection system did use dual 48mm throttle bodies, which, combined, are close to 750 cfm in airflow. But you’re spot on about the intake-it was the real villain, not the throttle bodies. That restrictive dual-plane design strangled any chance for high RPM power. Still, the setup wasn’t meant to be a screamer; it was all about low-end torque and smoother drivability while meeting emissions regs. It wasn’t a powerhouse, but dismissing it as "false info" oversimplifies its engineering.
@@KeithGreene-k1v The Cross-Fire had potential, but let’s set the record straight: those 48mm throttle bodies weren’t the problem, it was the intake design choking airflow at higher RPMs. With just 200 hp, it underperformed, but it wasn’t junk. It aimed for emissions compliance and torque, not raw speed. Respect the engineering balance
A close friend had one , what a hunk of true junk . I blew his doors off with
A 1968 mustang with a hypo. 289
That '68 Mustang with the HiPo 289 is a beast! The 289 really brought the muscle to life with that 271 horsepower and those high-revving capabilities. It was a true performer, and it was meant to run with the big dogs. I bet it was no contest against his Chevelle. That Mustang was built for speed and to blow those doors off
@@AdelynDodson I gotta disagree with you on this one, but all in good fun! The '68 Mustang with the HiPo 289 is definitely a spirited machine-271 horsepower, solid lifters, and a high-revving small block. But when you stack it up against something like a 396 Chevelle, it's a different ballgame. The Chevelle's big-block torque and 350+ horsepower would outpull the Mustang in a straight line every time.
Hey @patrickcoughlin-qj9uk
A 1968 Mustang with a Hi-Po 289? Now that's a legendary setup-lightweight, quick, and built for speed. Sounds like you gave your buddy’s car a lesson in muscle car supremacy! The Cross-Fire Injection system definitely had its quirks, but it’s a fascinating piece of muscle car history. It was GM’s early attempt at fuel injection technology, paving the way for modern systems we see today. While it wasn't perfect, it was part of the innovation that kept the muscle car spirit alive through tough times.
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68 Mustang with a 289 271 HP was rated at gross HP. Net HP rating would have been 196 HP.
@@Linda-cn3yx the '68 Mustang HiPo 289 is a great little powerhouse with its 271 hp rating, but yeah, that's gross horsepower-if we're talking net, it drops down to around 196 hp. It’s all about that high-revving small-block fun, but when you bring in the big-block Chevelle 396 with over 350 hp and crazy torque, it’s a whole different beast.
GM hit piece trash video
The Cross-Fire Injection system wasn’t perfect, but it was a stepping stone in GM’s evolution towards modern fuel injection. The 305/350 engines were limited by emissions regulations of the time, but they still managed to squeeze out respectable performance. The ’83 Corvette’s absence was a disappointment, sure, but it set the stage for the C4’s debut with major improvements.
Hey @geerstyresoil3136, we appreciate your passion for GM
It’s true, 1983 was a tough year for Corvette fans, but that's part of what makes its story so legendary. The Cross-Fire Injection System was an ambitious step forward, aiming to balance performance and fuel efficiency during challenging times for the industry. While it wasn’t perfect, it laid the groundwork for the incredible innovations we saw in later Corvettes, like the C4 and beyond.
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