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Are you saying that since my personal info. had been Hi-jacked' (some of it wrong), and because I'm not in Calif., that it would be useless to sign up for your service? Are you? -R
Also back then there was a resource called the City Directory. You could not opt out. It had much more information than the phone book. It was available at any public library to anyone.
Of note, such phone books and directories tended to only be for a specific area, and quite scarce or difficult to access if you weren't in that area. Usually, anyway.
It was the phone company. You paid the phone company for an unlisted number. Also, operators could connect people to numbers, so it wasn't just the phone book. You had to pay for the unlisted number. There were various grades of phone services. From party lines, which was the most basic service, a shared line among multiple houses where your neighbor down the street might pick up and listen in on your call. A listed number. The unlisted number. There may have been more options.
Does anybody know how this applies to EU? In the EU - giving personal information to 3rd parties without consent is strictly prohibited - we have a right to be forgotten Are there such data broker companies in the EU and how should they receive data if I didn't gave my consent in cookie banner? (Sure they could illegaly but that would shut down the company legally)
absolutely, how do you think the for profit corporations market their products to the consumers. Not everyone watches TV but just about everyone receives mail and phone messages.
@@jacquelinemanzano9328 I mean Google does not share personal data to 3rd in terms of transferring copy's of data. Google just sells advertising customers the possibility to publish their ads to targeted groups (according to them) so I wonder what those shady cooperations are. With Meta idk, they openly contradict GDPR in so many ways
Does Delete Me use the data broker registry listed on the Office of The Attorney General's (OAG) website? Am I right to think that the Office of Attorney General forces all data brokers to register on the OAG website for each individual state?
Being removed from the yearly printed "White Pages" residential phone book was not as simple as calling your phone company. You had to pay the equivalent in today's money of $10 a month for an unlisted number. People could still dial 411 and pay ($2.50 today) to get your phone number and address. Only a fool would have listed their cell phone number in the phone book back in the 90s if it was even an option. It was also $50 equiv a month for each service: Home phone number (caller-id extra), Internet (dial-up only) and Cell Phone (no free minutes at $1.75/minute for both incoming and outgoing calls). The only good thing back then was no company could afford to collect your data.
I moved half way across the country. I used google street view extensively as well as google earth. I would go up and down the street, check the next blocks, check the view from Earth, before I would ever contact the real-estate people about a house. The moving company reviewed street view to make sure they could get their truck up to the house. The tree trimming people reviewed street view to determine if it was worthwhile coming out to make an estimate. If you managed to block street views, then you are blocking potential sales ability and work contracts. The real thing to do is block private information and project public information.
the phone book conversation is a bit off here. they did have names, addresses and numbers. yes they required you to ask to be unlisted, but it was a very easy thing to do. no one considered that extreme. and you CAN still get calls. several times you make it sound like an unlisted number is practically disconnecting your line. no, you can get calls from anyone you give your number to. it just wasn't public.
Some of this stuff in inaccurate. The vast majority of the data on people search websites comes from you and services you sign up for. For example, if you go and get a bank account or sign up for some order with your true name, address, phone number etc. When you give that info to your bank or a service, they sell that information to marketing companies and data aggregators like Lexis Nexis, CLEAR, etc. Many of these people search sites just buy the data from these guys, or source them from leaks. I don't believe much of it comes from social media sites,
i searched on multiple different search engines using a bunch of different search terms but i couldn’t find any information about me. i did find stuff about my mom. i looked on whitepages and searched many different variations of my name and my phone number and address but i still couldn't find myself. i know im not invisible but i did delete nearly all my social media and changed my name on the ones that i kept. but i still feel like i should've found something, especially with my phone number and address. am i doing something wrong? is it normally this hard to find information about yourself?
Third party sharing of information is really the most problematic part, and ofc just internal security of the service you are using in first place. But third party sharing just doesn't make sense, if data is shared with third party, what about their terms of service? Or what about one after that if third party shares it? Customer didn't agree to those. I mean terms of service is kinda shaky subject anyways, but at very least customer should shown every single third party service they share data with and made to agree with sharing of data and possibly terms of service for those. And possibly ones after that. If that's too hard, they could just not share anything.
Data Brokers are NOT immune from the law. They can , have been and will be sued by consumers for non disclosure and no, written, express or implied consent. These data brokers are committing a voluntary act by publishing your private and public information, there is no law that I can find that gives them authority, they simply assumed to role to do it for profit. So, I am going to assume the role of {Plaintiff and sue them for violations of my privacy and identity theft, since they have my private info without my consent.
If you pay for a recurring service, the payment must be recurring too, to be profitable. You probably can't go to a barber and pay once per lifetime either
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Was there a reason a certain "word " was cut out at 30:13 - 30:15 ?
Are you saying that since my personal info. had been Hi-jacked' (some of it wrong), and because I'm not in Calif., that it would be useless to sign up for your service? Are you? -R
If I remember correctly, not only was the phone book opt out, you had to pay a fee to opt out. They called it an 'unlisted number'.
Also back then there was a resource called the City Directory. You could not opt out. It had much more information than the phone book. It was available at any public library to anyone.
Of note, such phone books and directories tended to only be for a specific area, and quite scarce or difficult to access if you weren't in that area. Usually, anyway.
@@laurencefraser:
Yes, good point.
It was the phone company. You paid the phone company for an unlisted number. Also, operators could connect people to numbers, so it wasn't just the phone book. You had to pay for the unlisted number. There were various grades of phone services. From party lines, which was the most basic service, a shared line among multiple houses where your neighbor down the street might pick up and listen in on your call. A listed number. The unlisted number. There may have been more options.
Data brokers will only “hide” the data when requested. They don’t actually delete it. When your subscription expires your data will reappear. FYI
This was a great interview. I hope to see more interviews like these in the future!
Does anybody know how this applies to EU?
In the EU
- giving personal information to 3rd parties without consent is strictly prohibited
- we have a right to be forgotten
Are there such data broker companies in the EU and how should they receive data if I didn't gave my consent in cookie banner?
(Sure they could illegaly but that would shut down the company legally)
absolutely, how do you think the for profit corporations market their products to the consumers. Not everyone watches TV but just about everyone receives mail and phone messages.
@@jacquelinemanzano9328 I mean Google does not share personal data to 3rd in terms of transferring copy's of data.
Google just sells advertising customers the possibility to publish their ads to targeted groups (according to them) so I wonder what those shady cooperations are.
With Meta idk, they openly contradict GDPR in so many ways
@@jacquelinemanzano9328 Thats not what he asked?
Were you *Born Yesterday* as the rest of your Nation?
Does Delete Me use the data broker registry listed on the Office of The Attorney General's (OAG) website? Am I right to think that the Office of Attorney General forces all data brokers to register on the OAG website for each individual state?
A great interview, thanks!
Being removed from the yearly printed "White Pages" residential phone book was not as simple as calling your phone company. You had to pay the equivalent in today's money of $10 a month for an unlisted number. People could still dial 411 and pay ($2.50 today) to get your phone number and address. Only a fool would have listed their cell phone number in the phone book back in the 90s if it was even an option. It was also $50 equiv a month for each service: Home phone number (caller-id extra), Internet (dial-up only) and Cell Phone (no free minutes at $1.75/minute for both incoming and outgoing calls). The only good thing back then was no company could afford to collect your data.
The only issue i have is that it's not available in most countries outside of US
Yes too bad, we also this features internationally
Try Incogni.
@@magnetsec too bad also US, UK, EU only
I moved half way across the country. I used google street view extensively as well as google earth. I would go up and down the street, check the next blocks, check the view from Earth, before I would ever contact the real-estate people about a house. The moving company reviewed street view to make sure they could get their truck up to the house. The tree trimming people reviewed street view to determine if it was worthwhile coming out to make an estimate. If you managed to block street views, then you are blocking potential sales ability and work contracts.
The real thing to do is block private information and project public information.
Ever notice how few views around these videos. Makes you wonder why
the phone book conversation is a bit off here. they did have names, addresses and numbers. yes they required you to ask to be unlisted, but it was a very easy thing to do. no one considered that extreme. and you CAN still get calls. several times you make it sound like an unlisted number is practically disconnecting your line. no, you can get calls from anyone you give your number to. it just wasn't public.
also henry, it was not the "cell company". this was before cell phones. :)
Some of this stuff in inaccurate. The vast majority of the data on people search websites comes from you and services you sign up for. For example, if you go and get a bank account or sign up for some order with your true name, address, phone number etc. When you give that info to your bank or a service, they sell that information to marketing companies and data aggregators like Lexis Nexis, CLEAR, etc. Many of these people search sites just buy the data from these guys, or source them from leaks. I don't believe much of it comes from social media sites,
*DeleteMe* Only exists in US (where the servers are located)
None of The Suggestion you just *Provided* applies - For the rest.
i searched on multiple different search engines using a bunch of different search terms but i couldn’t find any information about me. i did find stuff about my mom. i looked on whitepages and searched many different variations of my name and my phone number and address but i still couldn't find myself. i know im not invisible but i did delete nearly all my social media and changed my name on the ones that i kept. but i still feel like i should've found something, especially with my phone number and address. am i doing something wrong? is it normally this hard to find information about yourself?
You just go on google and search your first and last name. Example: John Smith
Is there going to be an arken tutorial?
In the 'old days' we had to pay to op-out of the phone book.
Third party sharing of information is really the most problematic part, and ofc just internal security of the service you are using in first place.
But third party sharing just doesn't make sense, if data is shared with third party, what about their terms of service? Or what about one after that if third party shares it? Customer didn't agree to those.
I mean terms of service is kinda shaky subject anyways, but at very least customer should shown every single third party service they share data with and made to agree with sharing of data and possibly terms of service for those. And possibly ones after that.
If that's too hard, they could just not share anything.
My mom paid $5 a month to keep her name out of the phone book. Also gave her a private number.
Wats a phone book ?
Great interview
Thank you!
Isn't DeleteMe a data broker since they also collect all your personal information to battle tech companies who collect all your personal information?
Ding!
Comes down to a single outfit that Might be trustworthy vs many that definitely are not, I suppose.
@@laurencefraser lol
@@laurencefraser reminds me of the VPN situation.
By your definition - Is *Facebook* not a *Data broker?*
Data Brokers are NOT immune from the law. They can , have been and will be sued by consumers for non disclosure and no, written, express or implied consent. These data brokers are committing a voluntary act by publishing your private and public information, there is no law that I can find that gives them authority, they simply assumed to role to do it for profit. So, I am going to assume the role of {Plaintiff and sue them for violations of my privacy and identity theft, since they have my private info without my consent.
Should be a class action lawsuit against data brokers who post your information.
Until I watched this interview, I had _no idea_ - Joe Rogan knows a lot about technology, _digital_ security, and privacy. 🐵
6:17 White Pages then vs now
Whow did u see there privacy and there right to sell ur date
He didn't know the answer....
Who drinks out of a vase 😂
$129/year :D
oof, yeah no thanks. not sure why it needs to be recurring anyway. can't we just do it as a one-time? that kind of makes no sense.
If you pay for a recurring service, the payment must be recurring too, to be profitable.
You probably can't go to a barber and pay once per lifetime either
Nice interview!