Did you guys do the underwater visibility test? Can't find it. Not sure if humans looking will be representative of what fish see, or what's important to them, but would be curious. The more I see people catch fish....the more stupid I think fish are. haha, But would like to see more science.
IMHO this has been some of the best news for me. The difference between the two is so negligible that it's truly worthy to consider the cost for any appreciable quantities of leader being used. Good stuff... Thanks !!!
I'm 53 and have been fishing in one way or another for 45 years. I started out knowing nothing and progressed absorbing everything I could about the subject. As gear and lures got better and better, the one constant has been Berkley Trilene XL and Stren Original on my reels, From Zebco spin casters to spinning reels then to top quality bait casters, the main line on my reels has been XL. I have been catching fish, my friends have been catching fish, all with $5.99 mono line, We left line on our reels for LONG periods of time and just kept fishing it and still catching fish. Ask the Bass Masters how they caught fish in the 70's and 80's without Fluorocarbon lines. Is it really better? You be the judge but dont forget, many of the bass tournament fishermen are sponsored by line companies. They can get all the line they want for free. Of course they are going to use the expensive line. The average guy? Use what makes you happy. I just dont feel I need it.
I appreciate the testing and analysis. The only times I have lost fish with line breaks have been with fluoro. After watching and listening to what you guys have shared in another video I threw what I had of that junk in the trash.
I have fished many tournaments for bass in Clearwater. I think you guys hit on a subject! When mono is cast on top of the water it tends to sit on top of the water,throwing a slight shadow which I think spooks fish. When floral carbon is cast on top of the water it immediately sinks so it’s underwater,so I think it cost less of a shadow,therefore more fish might be spooked from it laying on top of the water! I would like to see the lines tested in sunlight vertical and horizontal for the visual difference! Most fish whether they are predators,or prey have predators.lines moving on top of the water spook fish that’s why I think floral carbon is better in shallow clear water it sinks immediately. In my experience just like your test monofilament is much stronger!
I started out using mono a long time ago simply for financial reasons and still exclusively use it for inshore fishing today. My only fluoro leader applications are for bass fishing when I need my lure to sink faster. Great stuff as always, guys!
I believe in mono for most applications and flouro solely for ultra clear water. Hold a bit of mono and flouro right next to each other then use your phone flashlight and you’ll be able to see the difference yourself. It’s minimal but it helped me understand refraction vs reflection
When light passes through a prism it causes refraction which is the science of eyeglasses and sight correction. Reflection is light bouncing off of a surface, a mirror is the best example
35:09 Berkeley Vanish Easy Casting Fluorocarbon 17lb I think something should be said about the stretchy nature of fluorocarbon Vs Mono. Fluoro is more stretchy and has a little more give.
Using Berkeley big game I can’t seem to keep regular cinch knots to stay tied. The abrasion of it is out of this world though. But seems to turn a cloudy white color after awhile of using. I fish a lot in super clear shallow water poling for reds and have switched to flouro and have had great success. Less stretch also with flouro
I use floro for live bait fishing for picky fish. When working lures mono. When trying to get a snag out with floro line will snap way quicker than mono. I had 2 rods 1 mono 1 floro all same bait and line pound in clear water and I didn't catch a fish on the mono. I caught 6 on floro.
I fish out of Louisiana. Water is always dirty due to Mississippi river. I rarely ever use a leader just tie directly to braid. I have tried leaders and can't tell any difference.
Ever since I saw the testing conducted and being a monofilament kid when I started fishing, I am glad that mono is a key line to use. If there are key applications for fluoro, please pass them on. Great video and discussion
I think you guys are putting a strain on the Flouro market with all this good info! I found a 250 yard spool of 20# Berkley Flouro leader on Amazon for under $10...
I wonder how old that spool of fluoro is? Does it show a date of manufacture? I do know that the highly acclaimed online tackle critics: "Tackle Tour" give high praise to Berkley/Trilene Big Game mono for fantastic shelf life. The chief editor ( I can't recall his name ) once told the story of being invited to go offshore fishing at the last minute before departure. He was in a rush, stopped by his house, and simply grabbed one of his offshore rigs already spooled with the Big Game mono. He stated as they were on their way in the boat, he began to worry about "how old the line was on his reel". He said he caught plenty of fish, and had zero issues with "aged line". He also said that after giving it some thought, the Big Game mono on his reel was incredibly old. Just sayin'. I used fluoro almost exclusively for 4 years. But I began to realize I was having far more line breakage issues than ever before, even though I made it a point to retie often. I eventually got so fed up, I switched back to Big Game mono. The majority of my line breakage issues vanished. Seriously. I use 8 different rod & reel set-ups ( baitcasters ), so I'm also saving a lot of money on fishing line alone. I still use braid on spinning tackle of course.
Copolymer mono. Flouro gets very weak after stressing it a couple of times, something a lot of people don’t know. A few stress events can weaken flouro by 50%, casts poorly, is not good with knots, and is less abrasion resistant. The slight difference in underwater visibility (very slight) doesn’t come close to making up for that
A couple of points if I may gentlemen. You spoke of comparing bases on diameter vs line strength. I easily see that comparing based on size is more scientifically valid BUT for it's intended use, fishing, don't we select our line based on strength rather than diameter so perhaps testing should do the same? Secondly, on the refraction or reflection argument, perhaps it in large part doesn't matter. I feel that the underlying point is really line visibility. If the line is visible enough to the fish it will spook the fish, period. To better understand refraction, google the glass and glycerin refraction trick. It's very cheap to do yourself with materials from Wal-mart. Sure, there are other factors but if the fish cannot see the line they are not spooked and if they can see it they may well be spooked. So what really matters is how visible it may be. Consider that the line may be visible in some situations from reflection and in some from refraction but it's the "total" visibility that really matters. If we can see it, it's a fairly sure bet the fish can see it. If a line is better in reflection it's a good thing but only if it's refraction isn't so bad as to make it visible anyway the reflective qualities matter little. Without question an excellent post and a great opening discussion of the subject. Thank you for your work! Oh, monofilament in all cases.
What happen to Lukes test for visibility ? It would be interesting to see what all 5 use today for leaders and Knots ? Did Luke convert anyone ? Oh just FYI at a Walleye Seminar the Pro was asked what was the best line and his answer was what ever his sponsor provides !
When testing the visibility, how do you account for the color variations of the line vs the color of the water you are fishing in? If I'm fishing in muddy green water, I'm inclined to use green colored line.....but curious what difference the color of the line makes in the line choice....
I’m new to the inshore game and I am soaking up all of this information. How long are you typically making your leaders? Love all of the content. Will be joining the club as soon as I move to Florida
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Hi Just checked website and searched for the test, couldn't find it. Was the test done and available to view? Could you send a link to the actual video please as I really appreciate your unbiased views 👍
A little off subject, however I was with a friend fishing with a guide in Pensacola, sight fishing redfish. We both used the same lures, gold spoons rigged identically with 3 foot fluorocarbon leaders. My buddy took his own rod & reel filled w 10 pound PowerPro. I used the guide’s rod filled with Andre back country 10 pound mono. We casted to the same pods, however I caught 4 fish for each of his one. I’m convinced they could see his braided line and not my mono? I love braid however still want to spool with mono? Opinions? Thanks
Mono will have a lower tone or sound moving through water. Floro will have a higher pitch. It has to do with the softness over the hardness of lines. I havent come up yet with whitch one would be louder. I have to say floro would be louder to the human ear. The reason I say this is if you string a guitar with floro vs mono it will give you a pretty good understanding of the sounds and pitches the lines are capable of. But the question is what sounds do the fish hear better...... These questions lead to answers we have never thought of before.
Ditto. The diameter of that product is significantly thinner than their other models (Blue Label and Premiere). I personally use Gold Label, but it has not been tested yet against Mono.
@@Jritchey1211 I used the 20 lb gold for when I was going after false albacore. But then again I hooked one with 30lb mono before ... Inshore wise it held up fine.
Hey guys thanks a lot for the content :) Is it possible to repeat Luke's abrasion resistance experiment while having all lines in water for 1, 2 and 5 hours? Since the fluorocarbon manufacturers claim they have better abrasion resistance with respect to mono it might be based on the waterproof property of fluoro. If mono wins again then its a clear sign that what the companies claim is wrong and they should clarify the conditions under which they tested the lines. In any case for all of us who use mono as leader line will be a perfect test to know how often we shall change our leader. Demian
Looking forward to visibility test, but I guess we can't prove what fish can see. I would love to see a stretch and sensitivity test another misinformed marketing gimmick on fluorocarbon.
The stretch characteristics of fluoro vs. mono seem to be true... fluoro doesn't have quite as much stretch which will enable it to have better feel of strikes when used as a mainline (for shorter leaders, the slight difference in stretch aren't noticeable)
I Use Trilene big game now. Andy has to much memory, and when you tie cinch knots it frays the line, seaguar is too expensive although I recommend red label for 20lb test leader.
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Gentelmen if any of you could just put those lines under a lighted microscope to see the reflexion or refracion or the clearness as close to water because at the end I don`t even think the fish care about what`s hanging as a line ( they don`t understand what a line is that a human view ) ,they care about how the bait is presented or if it is even eatable because it is not in their diet or a familiar color to just gulp it , if the bait looks good they will bite otherwise they leave it alone because it might kill them and when people talk about they smell it ,maybe , if the bait has been sitting in the same spot for a while ... is seen from underwater hunting how fish look at food , I bust scallops with my flat pry to get the muscle to loose grip and the guts I pull off get gulped in a second while all kinds of fish are waiting like opportunistic seagulls or bust few sea urching with the butt of my gun and back off few feet to let the feeding frenzy vibrations bring the big ones close to my range , my point is that in a school or pack of all kinds of fish around a bait ,fish don`t look at a line, they will bite before another one gets it first if they can sense food, but when the food looks weird in shape or color or they already took a little peck at it and don`t feel right they will just ignore it like if it was a piece of trash floating around... and human eyes are not as same as fish eyes just like dogs don`t see as we humans see ,,,for me I believe is 80% the bait and 20% the line , I think they can see more the hook than the line anyways... great discussion but I am staying with mono because fluorocarbon seems to be just a little more clear and shiny but does not means it attracts fish better, just my 2 cents.... Lets see a microscope comparison under a light spectrum since the manufactures won`t for a reason !.... fish will bite on a piece of banana if presented right .
@@fuq584 non of ya business applies to you too... I am talking to the post writer to get a opinion if they are willing to comment but not interested in yours clown!
@@frankc6430 we will wait until you post your YT video with lines under microscopes, and a thoroughly written research paper on line refraction, reflexion, light spectrum underwater, fish eyes/vision, hook visibility, scents etc. Let us know when you post it 👍 oh and get a PhD along the way otherwise it wouldn't be acceptable.
Fluro is literally pointless. If you think spending 4-6 times the amount for significantly less material is the way to go, then be my guest. Strictly mono for all applications on leader material, and there is no difference whatsoever. Fish aren’t as smart as people think. Lures, live bait, dead bait, it doesn’t matter guys. Be smart.
@@Saltstrong haha I bought some slam shady minnowz from dicks sporting goods last month( online) and I accidentally left it on top of my tackle bag earlier and she came running into the living room with a bag of slam shady’s. I guess it does catch many species! German Shepard included
@@noahjohns7954 How awesome!!! I've seen at least a half dozen come out in Otis' dumps... he likes them too much to even consider delivering them to me:)
@@Saltstrong I guess my dog did because she knows that they’re one of the things I put in my small bag when I go on short bank fishing trips, and she likes to get some little pieces of fish fillets instead of treats that day when I do catch keepers so I guess she was in the mood for fish that day.😂
Why are you using the blue label, when there most abrasive resistant flouro is the seaguar inshore? And it’s the cheapest. You get a 100 yards of 15lbs for 20$ or less.
Fish can see mono in the water. Floro dam near dissappears. Mono stretches more and is less brittle therefore stronger abrasion resistsnce. Floro sinks faster. Mono gets dirty faster. Daytime snapper fishing floro will outcatch mono ALL DAY... Go ahead with your mono and leave me all your snapper. LOL 😆
@@Gio-nl7eg I fish offshore and inshore saltwater almost every day. Monofilament line literally and visually holds a salt water film on the outside much much more than fluorocarbon. I think it has something to do with the surface of the line, the sun and the salt. And it won't come off. It's clearly visible to the me and the fish and requires replacement often the same day. People invest time and money just to fish. Side by side I've outfished mono in my boat 10 or 20 to 1. So the minor extra cost of fluorocarbon puts way more fish in the box in clear water conditions with fish that can see a camouflaged 1/4 inch crab on the bottom. Sorry for the pun, but fluorocarbon is the clear winner 🏆
@@stedyone1090 honestly you’re the only person I’ve ever heard mention that about the salt water film. I would assume it’s makes more sense to attribute that to the brand and not exactly mono in general. What brand mono were you using? I don’t mean to come off like I’m trying to argue but if you’re getting those results then I wonder why I’m not seeing any similar results from other people and from personal experience. I only fish inshore though so the water I fish isn’t too clear
@@Gio-nl7eg Ande, Triplefish, and Berkley trilene monofilament all work fine in cloudy dirty water, but if you can see 6 inches through the water so can the fish. I only use mono on hooks, lures and plugs for better abrasion against teeth and rocks and mangrove roots. Night fishing you can get away with mono.On surface and twitch baits/lures I use fluorocarbon.
@@Gio-nl7eg Why do fly fisherman use tapered very very light line for fishing teeny tiny Flys 🪰 Cuz you want the lightest thinnest clearest line you can get away with. Only logical thing. Hey now That's right ✅
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Did you guys do the underwater visibility test? Can't find it. Not sure if humans looking will be representative of what fish see, or what's important to them, but would be curious. The more I see people catch fish....the more stupid I think fish are. haha, But would like to see more science.
Can’t beat Berkeley big game. 300 yards for 8-10$. Thanks for all the real world tests. 👍🏼
IMHO this has been some of the best
news for me. The difference between
the two is so negligible that it's truly worthy
to consider the cost for any appreciable
quantities of leader being used.
Good stuff... Thanks !!!
I'm 53 and have been fishing in one way or another for 45 years. I started out knowing nothing and progressed absorbing everything I could about the subject. As gear and lures got better and better, the one constant has been Berkley Trilene XL and Stren Original on my reels, From Zebco spin casters to spinning reels then to top quality bait casters, the main line on my reels has been XL. I have been catching fish, my friends have been catching fish, all with $5.99 mono line, We left line on our reels for LONG periods of time and just kept fishing it and still catching fish. Ask the Bass Masters how they caught fish in the 70's and 80's without Fluorocarbon lines. Is it really better? You be the judge but dont forget, many of the bass tournament fishermen are sponsored by line companies. They can get all the line they want for free. Of course they are going to use the expensive line. The average guy? Use what makes you happy. I just dont feel I need it.
I appreciate the testing and analysis. The only times I have lost fish with line breaks have been with fluoro. After watching and listening to what you guys have shared in another video I threw what I had of that junk in the trash.
I just lost 40 in snook on floro it’s crap in my opinion
I have fished many tournaments for bass in Clearwater. I think you guys hit on a subject! When mono is cast on top of the water it tends to sit on top of the water,throwing a slight shadow which I think spooks fish. When floral carbon is cast on top of the water it immediately sinks so it’s underwater,so I think it cost less of a shadow,therefore more fish might be spooked from it laying on top of the water! I would like to see the lines tested in sunlight vertical and horizontal for the visual difference! Most fish whether they are predators,or prey have predators.lines moving on top of the water spook fish that’s why I think floral carbon is better in shallow clear water it sinks immediately. In my experience just like your test monofilament is much stronger!
I started out using mono a long time ago simply for financial reasons and still exclusively use it for inshore fishing today. My only fluoro leader applications are for bass fishing when I need my lure to sink faster. Great stuff as always, guys!
I believe in mono for most applications and flouro solely for ultra clear water. Hold a bit of mono and flouro right next to each other then use your phone flashlight and you’ll be able to see the difference yourself. It’s minimal but it helped me understand refraction vs reflection
Good topic. Really want to see the under water test for visibility
When light passes through a prism it causes refraction which is the science of eyeglasses and sight correction. Reflection is light bouncing off of a surface, a mirror is the best example
35:09 Berkeley Vanish Easy Casting Fluorocarbon 17lb
I think something should be said about the stretchy nature of fluorocarbon Vs Mono.
Fluoro is more stretchy and has a little more give.
Using Berkeley big game I can’t seem to keep regular cinch knots to stay tied. The abrasion of it is out of this world though. But seems to turn a cloudy white color after awhile of using. I fish a lot in super clear shallow water poling for reds and have switched to flouro and have had great success. Less stretch also with flouro
where is the underwater visibility test??
I recently changed most of my line back to Mono. I really didn't like the way floro felt in my hands. I definitely prefer mono over floro.
Good discussion gentleman. Makes one stop n think of the where, what ur targeting and overall conditions.
I use floro for live bait fishing for picky fish. When working lures mono. When trying to get a snag out with floro line will snap way quicker than mono. I had 2 rods 1 mono 1 floro all same bait and line pound in clear water and I didn't catch a fish on the mono. I caught 6 on floro.
Copolymer does the thing for me..Gonna try Berkley Fluroshield... as soon as this snow melts. Ever try it?
Please test the Icast 2020 fishing line winner Berkley Fluoroshield.
Mono vs fluoro seems to be important, how about treble hooks and others attached to lure . Would like to understand that aspect as well.
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Thank you
Line diameter matters. No doubt about it when lure fishing
For sure
I fish out of Louisiana. Water is always dirty due to Mississippi river. I rarely ever use a leader just tie directly to braid. I have tried leaders and can't tell any difference.
My local Academy just had Andr spools on clearance. I paid $5 per spool (the 700m area spools). I have enough for the rest of my life.
interested to see how Berkeley Fluoroshield performs on some of these tests...saw 3000yards for $33 on amazon recently
Ever since I saw the testing conducted and being a monofilament kid when I started fishing, I am glad that mono is a key line to use. If there are key applications for fluoro, please pass them on. Great video and discussion
I think you guys are putting a strain on the Flouro market with all this good info! I found a 250 yard spool of 20# Berkley Flouro leader on Amazon for under $10...
I wonder how old that spool of fluoro is? Does it show a date of manufacture? I do know that the highly acclaimed online tackle critics: "Tackle Tour" give high praise to Berkley/Trilene Big Game mono for fantastic shelf life. The chief editor ( I can't recall his name ) once told the story of being invited to go offshore fishing at the last minute before departure. He was in a rush, stopped by his house, and simply grabbed one of his offshore rigs already spooled with the Big Game mono. He stated as they were on their way in the boat, he began to worry about "how old the line was on his reel". He said he caught plenty of fish, and had zero issues with "aged line". He also said that after giving it some thought, the Big Game mono on his reel was incredibly old. Just sayin'. I used fluoro almost exclusively for 4 years. But I began to realize I was having far more line breakage issues than ever before, even though I made it a point to retie often. I eventually got so fed up, I switched back to Big Game mono. The majority of my line breakage issues vanished. Seriously. I use 8 different rod & reel set-ups ( baitcasters ), so I'm also saving a lot of money on fishing line alone. I still use braid on spinning tackle of course.
I've been fishing inshore on the southwest coast of FL for more than 45 years and only use Ande mono leader material.
Thanks for sharing the feedback!
Copolymer mono.
Flouro gets very weak after stressing it a couple of times, something a lot of people don’t know. A few stress events can weaken flouro by 50%, casts poorly, is not good with knots, and is less abrasion resistant.
The slight difference in underwater visibility (very slight) doesn’t come close to making up for that
Thanks for sharing!
A couple of points if I may gentlemen. You spoke of comparing bases on diameter vs line strength. I easily see that comparing based on size is more scientifically valid BUT for it's intended use, fishing, don't we select our line based on strength rather than diameter so perhaps testing should do the same?
Secondly, on the refraction or reflection argument, perhaps it in large part doesn't matter. I feel that the underlying point is really line visibility. If the line is visible enough to the fish it will spook the fish, period. To better understand refraction, google the glass and glycerin refraction trick. It's very cheap to do yourself with materials from Wal-mart. Sure, there are other factors but if the fish cannot see the line they are not spooked and if they can see it they may well be spooked. So what really matters is how visible it may be. Consider that the line may be visible in some situations from reflection and in some from refraction but it's the "total" visibility that really matters. If we can see it, it's a fairly sure bet the fish can see it. If a line is better in reflection it's a good thing but only if it's refraction isn't so bad as to make it visible anyway the reflective qualities matter little.
Without question an excellent post and a great opening discussion of the subject. Thank you for your work!
Oh, monofilament in all cases.
What happen to Lukes test for visibility ? It would be interesting to see what all 5 use today for leaders and Knots ? Did Luke convert anyone ? Oh just FYI at a Walleye Seminar the Pro was asked what was the best line and his answer was what ever his sponsor provides !
We're working on more tests!
Just wondering what if we put a ligth source running vertically down trough the line. Would line gets some “glowing” effect?
When testing the visibility, how do you account for the color variations of the line vs the color of the water you are fishing in? If I'm fishing in muddy green water, I'm inclined to use green colored line.....but curious what difference the color of the line makes in the line choice....
I’m new to the inshore game and I am soaking up all of this information. How long are you typically making your leaders? Love all of the content. Will be joining the club as soon as I move to Florida
Could you use regular mono as a leader?
Yes 100%
Hi
I can't find the video showing the underwater visibility test, mono v flourocarbon, did you do it?
Cheers
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Hi
Just checked website and searched for the test, couldn't find it. Was the test done and available to view? Could you send a link to the actual video please as I really appreciate your unbiased views 👍
Is there a follow up of this same panel to see if they changed their minds at all?
A little off subject, however I was with a friend fishing with a guide in Pensacola, sight fishing redfish. We both used the same lures, gold spoons rigged identically with 3 foot fluorocarbon leaders. My buddy took his own rod & reel filled w 10 pound PowerPro. I used the guide’s rod filled with Andre back country 10 pound mono. We casted to the same pods, however I caught 4 fish for each of his one. I’m convinced they could see his braided line and not my mono? I love braid however still want to spool with mono?
Opinions?
Thanks
The braid is for casting distance. Use a long leader with a good line to line knot, and you are setup for every situation inshore.
Mono will have a lower tone or sound moving through water. Floro will have a higher pitch. It has to do with the softness over the hardness of lines. I havent come up yet with whitch one would be louder. I have to say floro would be louder to the human ear. The reason I say this is if you string a guitar with floro vs mono it will give you a pretty good understanding of the sounds and pitches the lines are capable of. But the question is what sounds do the fish hear better...... These questions lead to answers we have never thought of before.
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Agree!
I'm curious on the gold label
Ditto. The diameter of that product is significantly thinner than their other models (Blue Label and Premiere). I personally use Gold Label, but it has not been tested yet against Mono.
@@Jritchey1211 I used the 20 lb gold for when I was going after false albacore. But then again I hooked one with 30lb mono before ... Inshore wise it held up fine.
I just tested 60lb floro vs 60 lb mono Saturday. I did catch more fish on the floro. But I had change my leader each time.
Same here. Our personal experiences don't lie. I have much better fishing experiences every time with fluro.
I always get trilene. Its super cheap. Never had a problem feeling a bite. Hasnt let me down
Tony I enjoy your listening skill , to me mono seems easier to manage tieing
Thanks for the feedback!
I like Fluoro it’s been amazing for me but I will change to mono I need to stop spending lots of money when mono is the same thanks guys
When using fluoro, we also need to consider replacement cost for it. Fluoro will break more than mono especially fishing in heavy cover area.
Hey guys thanks a lot for the content :) Is it possible to repeat Luke's abrasion resistance experiment while having all lines in water for 1, 2 and 5 hours? Since the fluorocarbon manufacturers claim they have better abrasion resistance with respect to mono it might be based on the waterproof property of fluoro. If mono wins again then its a clear sign that what the companies claim is wrong and they should clarify the conditions under which they tested the lines. In any case for all of us who use mono as leader line will be a perfect test to know how often we shall change our leader. Demian
That cheap Berkeley 20lb stuff is great for mangos offshore!
I have used mono 6lb for crappie and i can tell you knot strength is better with mono
Looking forward to visibility test, but I guess we can't prove what fish can see. I would love to see a stretch and sensitivity test another misinformed marketing gimmick on fluorocarbon.
The stretch characteristics of fluoro vs. mono seem to be true... fluoro doesn't have quite as much stretch which will enable it to have better feel of strikes when used as a mainline (for shorter leaders, the slight difference in stretch aren't noticeable)
I've never understood the appeal of spending a ton of money on line.
I Use Trilene big game now. Andy has to much memory, and when you tie cinch knots it frays the line, seaguar is too expensive although I recommend red label for 20lb test leader.
I think seagerrr is gonna come up and sue you if you keep using their name like that. 🤣🤣😂😂
That was funny as hell!
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@@Saltstrong I understand that. It was a joke I was referring to that was made in the video the way dude kept pronouncing “Seaguar”
Why none of you mention that fluro is denser and sinks quicker? which allows it to sink faster to the strike zone. Also, fluro is much more sensitive.
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Gentelmen if any of you could just put those lines under a lighted microscope to see the reflexion or refracion or the clearness as close to water because at the end I don`t even think the fish care about what`s hanging as a line ( they don`t understand what a line is that a human view ) ,they care about how the bait is presented or if it is even eatable because it is not in their diet or a familiar color to just gulp it , if the bait looks good they will bite otherwise they leave it alone because it might kill them and when people talk about they smell it ,maybe , if the bait has been sitting in the same spot for a while ... is seen from underwater hunting how fish look at food , I bust scallops with my flat pry to get the muscle to loose grip and the guts I pull off get gulped in a second while all kinds of fish are waiting like opportunistic seagulls or bust few sea urching with the butt of my gun and back off few feet to let the feeding frenzy vibrations bring the big ones close to my range , my point is that in a school or pack of all kinds of fish around a bait ,fish don`t look at a line, they will bite before another one gets it first if they can sense food, but when the food looks weird in shape or color or they already took a little peck at it and don`t feel right they will just ignore it like if it was a piece of trash floating around... and human eyes are not as same as fish eyes just like dogs don`t see as we humans see ,,,for me I believe is 80% the bait and 20% the line , I think they can see more the hook than the line anyways... great discussion but I am staying with mono because fluorocarbon seems to be just a little more clear and shiny but does not means it attracts fish better, just my 2 cents.... Lets see a microscope comparison under a light spectrum since the manufactures won`t for a reason !.... fish will bite on a piece of banana if presented right .
These guys are anglers clown and not scientists they test stuff in the real world and learn from mistakes.
@@fuq584 non of ya business applies to you too... I am talking to the post writer to get a opinion if they are willing to comment but not interested in yours clown!
@@frankc6430 we will wait until you post your YT video with lines under microscopes, and a thoroughly written research paper on line refraction, reflexion, light spectrum underwater, fish eyes/vision, hook visibility, scents etc. Let us know when you post it 👍 oh and get a PhD along the way otherwise it wouldn't be acceptable.
Sink rate, stretch, and sensitivity...none of them even considered these categories.
Fluro is literally pointless. If you think spending 4-6 times the amount for significantly less material is the way to go, then be my guest. Strictly mono for all applications on leader material, and there is no difference whatsoever. Fish aren’t as smart as people think. Lures, live bait, dead bait, it doesn’t matter guys. Be smart.
I'll out fish you 10-1 on fluorocarbon bud
@@williamdougie6213 lol
"blue label outperforming the competitors"...hahahaha
KVD has 5 million reasons why to use It 💰🏆🔐
Otis has gas? Gotta stop putting that Blackout Chum in his food, even though he loves it
Haha!!! It's probably his steady diet of slam shady lures.
@@Saltstrong haha I bought some slam shady minnowz from dicks sporting goods last month( online) and I accidentally left it on top of my tackle bag earlier and she came running into the living room with a bag of slam shady’s. I guess it does catch many species! German Shepard included
@@noahjohns7954 How awesome!!! I've seen at least a half dozen come out in Otis' dumps... he likes them too much to even consider delivering them to me:)
@@Saltstrong I guess my dog did because she knows that they’re one of the things I put in my small bag when I go on short bank fishing trips, and she likes to get some little pieces of fish fillets instead of treats that day when I do catch keepers so I guess she was in the mood for fish that day.😂
Why are you using the blue label, when there most abrasive resistant flouro is the seaguar inshore? And it’s the cheapest. You get a 100 yards of 15lbs for 20$ or less.
Fish can see mono in the water.
Floro dam near dissappears.
Mono stretches more and is less brittle therefore stronger abrasion resistsnce.
Floro sinks faster. Mono gets dirty faster.
Daytime snapper fishing floro will outcatch mono ALL DAY...
Go ahead with your mono and leave me all your snapper. LOL 😆
What do you mean by mono “gets dirty faster”
@@Gio-nl7eg I fish offshore and inshore saltwater almost every day.
Monofilament line literally and visually holds a salt water film on the outside much much more than fluorocarbon.
I think it has something to do with the surface of the line, the sun and the salt.
And it won't come off. It's clearly visible to the me and the fish and requires replacement often the same day.
People invest time and money just to fish. Side by side I've outfished mono in my boat 10 or 20 to 1.
So the minor extra cost of fluorocarbon puts way more fish in the box in clear water conditions with fish that can see a camouflaged 1/4 inch crab on the bottom. Sorry for the pun, but fluorocarbon is the clear winner 🏆
@@stedyone1090 honestly you’re the only person I’ve ever heard mention that about the salt water film. I would assume it’s makes more sense to attribute that to the brand and not exactly mono in general. What brand mono were you using? I don’t mean to come off like I’m trying to argue but if you’re getting those results then I wonder why I’m not seeing any similar results from other people and from personal experience. I only fish inshore though so the water I fish isn’t too clear
@@Gio-nl7eg Ande, Triplefish, and Berkley trilene monofilament all work fine in cloudy dirty water, but if you can see 6 inches through the water so can the fish.
I only use mono on hooks, lures and plugs for better abrasion against teeth and rocks and mangrove roots. Night fishing you can get away with mono.On surface and twitch baits/lures I use fluorocarbon.
@@Gio-nl7eg Why do fly fisherman use tapered very very light line for fishing teeny tiny Flys 🪰
Cuz you want the lightest thinnest clearest line you can get away with.
Only logical thing.
Hey now That's right ✅
this is like coming out as gay in the fishing community