I believed this LIE about FLUOROCARBON For Years
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TACTICAL fluorocarbon?????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Im pretty much there, i also dont buy into less visiable i dropped many brands and sizes compared to mono in a pool and glass water....but im in Az sun almost shines 340 days year. Floro here gives off a shine
I've been using braid to fluoro leader for years and don't ever regret it. Heavy fishing, ultralight finesse, it works.
Heard a rumor that mono stretches more when it’s wet. Growing up, all I used was mono. Lost countless fish in the salt on piers and around grass (on long casts) due to stretch so I tend to believe those rumors. Would love to see someone incorporate water into their tests somehow.
With that said, I’ve also fallen victim to the misconceptions around fluoro. I’m not a believer that ALL stretch more than mono. But I do know that fluoro will burn out and become prone to break offs much faster than mono. And at it’s price point, I’ll take a copolymer or a coated fluoro that has some quality good traits at a better price vs just paying for expensive fluoro because that’s what the pros do.
Good info, Tyler. Yes, as a beginning fisherman, years ago, I was never told the actual breaking strength of line is usually MORE than that number on the label. I thought 12=12, etc. but finally caught on, through reading and some simple tests, and also when the Berkley reps like Doug Stange came to my area, 40 years ago, for seminars and they brought their knot/ line testing machine.
I've tried 6 different brands of flour and, truthfully, the issues and price point doesn't justify the average angler investing in it. My opinion, based on my years of experience and my budget. XT and Big Game handles most applications with braid handling the rest.
Big game now has a fluorocarbon line out as well
I consider myself an average angler and I just spent $1000 dollars on a new sonar set I'm going to use out of a $5 rental jon boat so I'm not worried about the cost line; I'm pretty sure I will also get FFS in the future, the main motivation for the purchase was to get a compatible head unit. I can afford it and realized I can catch a lot more (and bigger) fish using a sonar at a public area that has several small (10-40 acre) lakes that don't allow private boats. Most of the boaters still fish shallow; kayaks were recently allowed as well but most of them are also fishing shallow or are there just to paddle around so the fish are usually much easier to catch when you get away from the bank. I'm not one who is going to enjoy fishing without the catching so for me it is money well spent. My main problem with fluorocarbon is how easy it is to wreck, one errant cast and the backlash can be so bad you should just start stripping the reel right away.
Are the different brands of flour for dry-dusting the fish prior to frying?
I agree, I'm retired and watch my income and have good luck out of Big Game and XT also. I'm on the water just a few days a month so I won't spend big bucks to pad someone's pocket.
I happen to use ANDE Back Country Blue monofilament, which is purchased in bulk spools. I like the lack of memory on the spool. Never cared for braid and fluro. Especially fluro, it would break and it was to stiff for me. ANDE mono is priced right in bulk 1/4, 1/2, spools.
I've given up on Flouro personally. Too many break offs in situations where it just shouldn't happen. Mono and braid work for me!
Seaguar was miserable for that. Any time id backlash I'd fix it but it would break further up in the spool. Cheaper almost seems to be better
I personally use McCoy copolymer. Great stuff.
I have done the same. After fluro stretches on a big fish, once it's much much weaker than it used to be, but mono stays the same. Also, mono is a lot cheaper. There is really no need for anyone to use fluro (in my opinion)
Cheap Flouro is the devil. You have to spend a little to get the full benefits. Sunline is by far the best money can buy. Shooter and or Sniper is the only way to go. Yes it’s more but you can’t beat it. P-Line Tactical is pretty solid as well.
I avoid Seaguar invisix like the plague. It’s basically expensive mono.
The main reason for using fluro is it’s ability to refract light therefore being almost invisible under water which wasn’t mentioned
I love using it as a Leader In most my lure fishing situations it’s also very tough and has high abrasive qualities I love the stuff
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i use mono as my leader and prob catch more fish than you (and my wallet is thicker at the end of the day)
@@WhiteGhost21 lmao
A lot of companies mislead buyers with pound test rating because they lable a lower pound test on a larger diameter line.
I am a YoZuri Hybrid guy. I am very good at getting backlashes, 100% flouro hates that. I change line as needed and my wallet hates that with 100% flouro. Even braid to leader the leader is YoZuri Hybrid. It does stretch some, but in the 10 or so years I have used it, no issues: flippin, casting or finesse. I have used the Seagar and a few other types of floro line over time and how I fish, for me, 100% flouro is a friggin nightmare that is expensive to boot.
Yes sir...using it for years. Very effective, affordable, gets the job done!
I too am a YoZuri Hybrid guy. In addition to what you said, it has pretty low line memory. (YoZuri Soft was even better but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Discontinued?) I seldom have to battle YoZuri Hyrbrd or work out loops and snarls. I haven't used pure flouro because I have not seen no need to.
That's good line I caught a monster catfish on the 12 lb no problem at all
Everything Yo-Zuri/Duel makes is a quality product. The company deserves much more respect over here in the US.
I’d still like to see confirmation of another video I saw where they tested the RE-stretch strength of fluorocarbon. It might stretch nearly as much as mono, but mono supposedly retains a much higher percentage of its strength though multiple stretches.
Yep, I read or heard the same thing, that Mono (and Co-Polymer) lines return to the same strength/shape/integrity after stretching while fluoro does not, it is essentially damaged or weaker after it stretches -????
I can personally attest to that, my 10lb floro feels solid after a bottom hook or landing a large fish.
I like sunline sniper 7lb and a loose drag, caught a 10# Monday, and my heart rate still hasn’t gone down 😅
Congrats
Funny you say that. I was fishing yesterday with 10lb braid to 6lb sniper leader. Hooked and caught, after 15min fight and regaining 50-60 ft of drag…. a massive 18-20 striper!! my PB. He hit my 2.8 keitec on the most finesse combo I was using, thank God no brush for him to wrap on. 😂😂
That line video is one of the best fishing videos ever made in my opinion. Awesome work
I switched to zebco omni flex mono years ago and haven't looked back. Save a ton of money and it is as tough as nails. Everyone pushed me to try flouro years ago... I broke off more fish in one week than I had my entire life using mono. There's a video somewhere on TH-cam showing an abrasion comparison mono vs fluoro and mono won every time. I fish tournaments a lot and do pretty decent. My fishing partner was a diehard fluoro guy, bought the best of the best.... he now throws the cheap stuff as well. Thanks Matt Robertson for the pointer, fished the bassmaster team championship on Harrison chain him and Wendall won.
Trilene BIG GAME is AWESOME line still to this day, lol! No go Fluoro
I agree 100%! I use 10 pound trilene big game for most spinning applications unless I specifically target smaller species. I even use it for tippets on my fly gear when I chase both pacific and atlantic salmon and big rainbow trout in the great lakes. Never lets me down. 👌
I fish in Central Florida and have returned to Berkeley Trilene Big Game except for when I use braid ...
Big game and Original blue Stren for NW Salmon ,steelhead and crappie. , they can keep the braid and folurocarbon.
It takes all kinds and I’m glad everyone can choose what they like .
A point I would like to make, when I was a young man I saw an article in an unnamed magazine.
Tie a 5 lb bag of flour to the end of your fishing line try to pick it up off the floor?
It's amazing just how much pressure it takes. Keep your hands on the rod handle. How do you break your fishing line? Certainly lines over 10 lb is for abrasion resistance in bad knots.
TA
The best part about this video: All of the variations of how flourocarbon can be spelled in the comments. Lol.
Instant classic!
Americans will never get how to spell FLUOROcarbon rigth!
hahahaha
Floor-o-carb-in!
FC
Been through it all..53 years of fishing... settled on braid & Trilene XL/Big game...cheap but good
Great information I have a question I have heard angler's say about having your finger against the line helps you feel a bite
My favorite is Sufix Advance but I also use Seaguar InvisX.
If there is this much variation between brands, I must wonder how much variation exists within each brand. Thanks for all of your good work.
I'll have to go back & watch that testing vid. One of biggest & most common misconceptions I hear all the time is floro sinks & mono floats? They both sink! Floro is more dense & sinks a little quicker. But thinner line sinks faster than larger diameters also.
Have you ever tested the Florocarbon coated lines ? I have had great success with the Floroclear. Casts and handles like mono but it supposed to have the light refractive qualities. Maybe giving a little less abrasion protection.
Best bang for the money. I've caught hundreds of stripe bass since 2017 on the CA Delta with this line. 15 and 20 lb test on swimbaits.
Same like I have run for years. Tried alot of others and always back to floroclear. Knot strength and have never had a fish break off work it
Big fan of the Pline copoly . Never had issues
Hello Tyler, great video, by the way. Just a question: Did you measure the diameter of the line to determine if there is a correlation between line size and breaking strength?
Trilene big game . Best line for the money. Sensitive and tough .
Yup 10lb for me.
20lb big game handles salmon all day long!
Yep I've fished the big game for years and just bought some fc sniper and it gave me so much trouble I went back to the big game. I really don't think I'll go back to fluro
That’s exactly what I use and also best line for the abrasive mouths of snook
Not a good idea for super clear water….
I’ve recently switched my crankbait reel from red label to Abrazx. Huge mistake, that line seems to stick to itself. Causing massive backlash, I’ve tried to adjust to it but I’m to the point of swapping back. I’ve had similar issues with the Invizx in lighter tests but use 20lbs on my jigging reel. The 20 lbs is fantastic, seems smaller. Closer to 15-16 lbs maybe?
I use the big game you mentioned in 30lbs on my catfish reels for leaders on 65 lbs braid. Can’t imagine using it for Bass fishing, it’s similar to weed eater string.
The fact that monofilament line has a bit of stretch is a strength not a weakness. I have also done exhaustive tests on mono, fluoro, braid and many types of line connections and knots. I have an engineering background and applied the usual controls and rigor to the tests, the results of which find that "mono" is definitely superior to fluorocarbon. Knots tied with monofilament cinch down and form up more easily and are considerably stronger than the same knots tied in fluoro for the same lb test and/or diameter. I fish a lot and have been doing so for a very long time. These days almost everyone uses braid as a main line, as do I. Braid has zero stretch for a start and a rod length or two of nylon leader leader on your rig, mono or fluoro makes no difference to "feel".
Mono beats fluoro hands-down for strength, abrasion resistance and durability and connections to braid with knots like FG and Alberto etc. are much stronger as the braid locks itself into the mono better than with fluoro. Likewise, snug knots and loop knots tied to hooks or lures with mono don't fatigue and become weak after a few hard pulls like they do with fluoro.
The only thing left is whether Fluorocarbon is harder for fish to "see". Despite all the claims, no one has actually proved this yet. Fish actually "feel" line more than see it anyway..... The invisibility myth will likely be de-bunked eventually just as the abrasion resistance myth has been already. I think its likely that a lot of fisher folks have already done their dough on ridiculously expensive fluoro line and feel that they need to justify it by parroting the marketing hype and continuing to say its good without any any real evidence.
Stop wasting your money on fluorocarbon line. It's just another fishing industry con. Just use Diawa J-Thread or Shimano Exage and you can't go wrong. Also..... Have a look at Salt Strong - www.youtube.com/@Saltstrong and see the tests and videos they have done.
in socal salt water we use fluorocarbon for abrasion resistance, that's it. only about 3ft onto a top shot of mono like 200 ft. the rest is all braid. some go fluoro straight to braid.
I went back to mono for a lot of situations. I’m happy with it. Been bass fishing 40 years. Tried everything out there. If I need a leader to braid I use mono. Flipping I use 17 or 20 pound mono.
Gamma Edge is the best fishing line I’ve ever used. Berkeley flouro was the worst. Both flourocarbon. Line type seems to be less important than line manufacturer.
I have a Professional tensile test machine and test fishing line all the time. I can also measure fishing line stiffness, abrasion resistance and even dampened harmonic oscillations. Let me know if you want Professional fishing line test data.
What are you using? I've been fishing for years and still can't find a fluorocarbon line that checks off all of the boxes. Lot's of the high end line is a joke. I can't seem to find a line that doesn't have a ton of memory and kinking. I'm about to give mono another shot. I'd love to see what you came up with
@@steveodonnell2921 I've been liking Mason T-Line
@@steveodonnell2921 if your big issue is memory and kinking going to mono from flouro is not going to be an improvement
Fluoro has no contolled stretch like mono...gets weakened after every fish catch, snag, heavier lure (swimbait)...if Fluoro isn't changed very frequently, u will have random breaks at no particular spots....Pros likely change it every week, maybe even more ofte when it's free....my 30 combos, 6 are braid...24 are mono....Bass Pro Excel & Big Game is all i need & does everything needed for bass fishing...can't recall ever breaking off on a fish using mono or braid..Fluoro, broke 1 time on a hookset no where near the knot randomly...That was enough for me to stick with what works & not about the hype...
I found out it go bad to fast for me .
using flouro as a mainline is weird. best leader material around
yep, the taffy effect.
I check the diameter of my lines with a micrometer. It is a professional machinist micrometer, and it reads down to .0001 - inch. If you didn't write down what line you installed, it is revealed by measuring it. Also my (HarborFreight) calipers work just as well for measuring lines.
I learned that a popular manufacturer of (usually fly fishing) monofilament isn't describing the diameter of their lines with much accuracy, with at least a couple of their spools.
Which were the most accurate? ‘Tks
@@leenelson7290 Berkley
I like that you often introduce science to the sport with your presentations.
I seem to remember a prior line test that showed mono started stretching immediately while fluoro didn't start stretching until closer to breaking point.
Can you run a test for stretch at 25, 50, 75% of rated strength?
Please do your own testing, but i have compared decent grade floro vs higher end mono. Compared in pool on bright sunny day, and water in glass test. My results, floro has a sheen or glistening effect. What do your tests show?
I do use floro and mono and copoly. Jury still out for me.
I love my Berkley big game! My favorite line is 10/12lbs mono for jerkbaits!
Vicious Pro Elite 8#, 12# and 20# and 50# braid is all I use. I really don't have any problems with breaking off and I have extreme confidence in it. Great sensitivity and doesn't get cuts easily in rock or wood.
Theirs a video showing Seaguar Basix stretching 40 something percent. I stopped using it after that. I'm going to definitely watch your video
My favourite fluorocarbon is Braid
The test I would like to see is percentage of stretch while under very light weight, like a lures weight. Because I swear flouro just feels so much more sensitive than mono.
I wonder do Fluorocarbon line manufacturers label for example 20 pound test line as 15 or 17 pound test. This way of marketing will make the consumer feel like the line that is being sold is the absolute best and better than the rest. In your line test video that I did watch, did you document and actually put a micrometer to each line to check thickness? For example, which line tested was the thinnest and which was the thickest.
I used Berkley Big Game for years. I would have no problem returning to using Big Game if I had to. Thanks for the videos.
I've tried alot of different lines, the one I keep going back to is trilene xl smooth casting. It's cheap and reliable.
Been using Berkley Trilene XL mono for years. Tried Seagur INVIZX and I still use it on a couple of rods. I really dont have a preference, but mono or fluoro are both good and are usefull under the conditions. Meaning, depending on what species, or cover, I will use accordingly. When it comes to cost, mono is still the leader. Pardon the pun.
We did a test using an Instron machine. And we found that Spro Essential was the best line.
I always tie my line to a tree and strech it a little after a respool! It reduces memory, helps it from streching so much and most of all it test for bad spots.
I use P -line flouro clear. It's a copolymer line coated with flourocarbon which makes it invisible to the fish. Supple and really strong. Don't have to worry about weak knots if your knot is not perfect.
Fireline. I've been using it since it first came out. 6,10, and twenty pound test. I used 4lb for awhile but moved up to six because it's more durable.
Great video. My favorite all around line is P-Line cxx.
Beware the advertised test vs diameter. I had some bass pro generic mono low test I was told was really strong. It certainly was. It was also of thicker diameter than almost every other brand too.
I have an idea for you since you have the data already for break strength. How about breaking it down by the pound per diameter. Such as 22 pounds divided by 0.4mm would give a rating of 55 pounds per mm. Thinner line is less visible but we would know a relative strength per thickness.
High quality mono and braid is my standard for both fresh and salt water normally This year I spooled three reels with braid mainline and Fluro leaders mainly because I bought into the hype and had to see for myself I'm an old dog stuck in my ways and don't have much faith in Fluro out performing my mono It seems from pros to weekenders including my two grown sons are using Fluro here on Florida's West coast but it's back to braid and mono the first fish that breaks off the Fluro
Out in our neck of the woods, you want very abrasive resistant line for these tuna and yellowtail or you will be chewed off, and seaguar blue is best. Also, you don’t need a lot of stretch if you’re using a parabolic tip with glass and graphite. The only thing you need to do is spend some money on a Cal-star, or Seeker Rod, Phenix Magladon Series, there are many others but mostly are inferior. When you go to the dock to get on your boat try the rods in person by pulling on them.
I use what I learned on ,zebco 202 with 6 lb line and have had lots of fun with it, bugs my son he says dad I know you can afford a better set up , my pole throws out and reels in and I catch fish and have money left over after fishing for ice cream😮
After I learned how to tie a couple floro knots, have not had an issue in over 20 yrs. The knot you tie is the most important part most knots used for mono and braid will not work for floro because those knots cut into the line which is floro’s kryptonite. And the line has to be lubricated at the knot. Floro works better for me. I also only ever use Sunline. I have had problems with a couple other popular companies.
I did at home testing with knots after switching to flouro, all the pros tying the palomar and it did work really well. The double pitzen knot gave me the best results where 10lb line was breaking at 13-15 pounds and never at the knot.
@@willboswell3698 I don’t use polomar. It puts too much pressure on the line. I use a knot that I’m not sure what the name is. Learned it years ago, I think it’s called “double San Diego jam knot”. But it’s the best knot for flouro. It doesn’t cut into or put any pressure on the line and it’s very easy to tie. Don’t quote me on the name of the knot. That knot works for everything though not just flouro. There’s tutorials all over YT.
I use the "Fool's knot" for braid/mono, but triple loop for fluoro. Knot Wars put them all to the test...
@@timyogerst4349 I’m going to look up knot wars now! Never heard of it, hopefully I’ll learn a couple new knots
Tyler, please test the strongest line per line diameter size, not stated pound test.
I did that in the line test big dawg
@@TylerBergerFishing I would like to see the line test redone except all the lines are the same diameter (or as close as possible) instead of stated pound test. Some of the parameters/testing would also need to be modified; I think the lines that state lower strength compared to their actual strength would do worse.
This is good info to have ! Thank you !
Biggest thing I learned early on is that flouro will break much easier in colder water temps, once I figured that out it has been pretty good to me. But before I figured that out I had some heart breaks on some big ones and cost me a tournament win as well. If I’m flipping or dragging in January, February or early March to mid March I just use 25 lb test where I might normally be using 20. Once the water warms up I don’t even think about it, issues for me have been extremely rare in warm water temps. I live close to Caney Lake in Louisiana and fish Toledo a lot so we have to be rigged up for big ones.
I'm a fireline fan. Their 30lb test is a great line for the big flathead catfish. I use 6lbs on my crappie rod for a long cast.
I use 15lb big game but the low-vis green. I have a theory that the colorant/dyes make the line a bit stiffer than the clear. I throw big hard swimbaits up to 4 oz on 15lb big game with absolutely 0 issues. Flouro is a frigging nightmare
Agree I don’t like flou due to knot slipping only a few knots work
10/12 mono good stuff to braid or just straight up Big game can handle the snags while maximum green stresses
Tyler I like your videos and I do fish fresh water. I never use Floro. I haven’t for years. I also saw the test that Salt Strong did. That just reinforced that Floro is way too expensive and I will stick with Mono.
I don't like to over complicate fishing either. (funny you should mention) when my line breaks it's mostly because of a snag and not a fish. If you take your sweet time.....keep a.loose drag and gently play that big fish and let it run and tire out, you're not going to break your line. I use Berkley brand just because it's still make here, Good video.
I use BERKLEY Big game all the time. Top water, crank bait. Anything with treble hooks. I use 20lb big game flipping grass edges. My most used rod I use Suffix Advance 17lb pitching in reeds and sparse grass, Carolina rig and Texas rig. The suffix stretches less than the average mono. Have braid on frog rod, heavy flipping and a spinning rod with mono leader. Never use fluorocarbon. Once it stretches if you hook a fish of equal size the next time it will break. Knot strength sucks. Learned years ago florocarbon was nothing but a money maker for the line company. Copoly is a much better and cheaper option.
My brother and close friend used Berkeley big game for Sockeye in Alaska 20lb, it was the best back then
20-30 lb braid to 8-15 lb mono
Samurai braid. Maxima
Green
I have yet to snap on a 8-10 lb bass, striper haven’t even broken me off either. Daiwa Exist is a good reel that doesn’t let you down.
Idk what lines you used, Seaguar Invisx has very little stretch….not even close to mono stretch
Out of the dozen or so rods that will be on the deck of my boat half will have big game mono. The other half will have various Brands and types depending on what I use those rods for. But you still can't hate on the big game
If two lines have similar diameters and one brakes at a much higher number then it is safe to say the one with the higher break strength is better, assuming they perform similar in other test.
In the ocean the experienced vets use Pink Ande when it comes to leader material and live bait.
The best of both worlds is Yozuri fluoro-Mon hybrid line. AS LONG AS YOU REPLACE IT REGULARLY!!!
When new this stud is incredibly fantastic, but it will fray more quickly than mono or fluoro so you need to run your fingers along the last few feet regularly to ensure you cut and re-tie as needed.
I have never used flourocarbon line, I have never seen the need to buy a brittle line that does not knot well. I have always chosen lines for what i want to do with them.
Great video. So many variables heat and UV light.
All of Pline's product line are amazing. It's all I use anymore
The stretch profile of 100% fluoro VS mono are different. Near the line's breaking point, fluoro and mono will have similar stretch. But fluoro will have less stretch when you have just the weight of the lure. Mono will absorb a bit of water when it gets wet. Causing mono to stretch easily.
Try Sufix Siege - you’ll thank me later! 👍🏼
Durable as hell, less stretch than mono gets the wrap for, more abrasion resistant than flouro. Superior knots!
Pro tip: downsize your mono to the next lb test compared to your usual flouro size. The diameter of mono is larger than flouro.
20lb Flouro=17lb mono
Sufix siege is my preferred line ive been using it for years.
@@kylebarnes7775 Siege is good line. Very little memory. I casts like butter and lays on the spool great.
Trilene big game has never let me done. Tough and cheap
It will
Big game all day
😂 Trilene big game covers all my fishing situations , and has done so for a long time.
Amen
Been using it for 20 years try others now and again but keep going back to big game
I would love to have all the manufacturers have a standard as far as diameter. It would be much easier to test and to choose.
i watched to hear you discuss the hype that flurocarbon line is almost invisible underwater...
Also keep in mind mono can be manipulated more and have less stretch than almost all fluo
From the videos/research I've watched on floro: stretch, abrasions, and knot strength are all less than mono. The sink rate is where it shows a little better performance...and supposedly the "invisible" performance...
Not true at all. Floro is much stronger than mono
@@dualthreatoutdoors LOL- watch "Saltstrong" videos. They are eye-opening.
@@dualthreatoutdoors You cM start by watching Salt Strong's test on floro vs mono:
th-cam.com/video/KiQTvmM-1cY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sy34qOmn--BZNMcr
They have a lot of videos on it.
I was out of fishing when fluorocarbon blew up. When I got back in a few years ago I bought into the hype. “Invisible underwater! How can I lose?” Imagine my disappointment when I could see it underwater lol. I’ll stick with my Big Game.
I’ll run straight fluro for my stream rods… or as a leader for bass fishing… I use mono for a leader sometimes cuz it’s cheaper
I've only used fluorocarbon in situations where it was needed....for jerkbaits and fishing in winter where you keep the bait on the bottom. Otherwise it was mono. Never had line break with it.
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I don't like the handling, breakage vulnerability, and high cost of fluorocarbon. Pros recommend respooling for each trip. Here's my quick cost workup to do such: 15 outfits for moving baits; 50 yds per outfit; 3 trips per week; 40 weeks per year = 90,000 yards needed Sunline FC Sniper 15 lb price for 1000yd spool is $149 at TW; 90,000 yards costs $13,410 per year Seagur InvisX 14 lb price for 1200 yd spool is $122 at TW; 90,000 yards costs $9,150 per year Sufix Adv 14 lb VIP price for 1200 yd spool is $70; 90,000 yards costs $5,250 per year
Would love to see you test Shimano Mastiff the same way
Bass Pro Shops Excel Mono out performs any other mono or Fluoro on the market. I've tried many. Fluro is too brittle imo. The stretch/give in mono keeps you from snapping lines AND pulling the hooks out of barely hooked fish that happens with mono and braid.
Used them and went back.
100%...I'm shocked at how well Bass Pro Excel mono performs... Big Game, Bass Pro Excel...only mono I need
I love how you say all this even though I’ve broke 30 pound test braid on a backlash before 😂
Does flouro recover the same as mono after being stretched? If not, the next time you catch a fish, you won’t get that same stretch.
A quality flourocarbon is better after it’s stretched imo. When I spool up the first thing I do is tie the end to my hitch ball and walk away till the end. Then I stretch the shit out of it. Removes the “stretch” and removes all line memory, and I see no drop in break strength with gamma edge.
I have the testing equipment and I have tested the stretch, line diameter and break strength. The best line on the market is Strike King Tour Grade.
Also the largest in diameter when it comes to 20lb line
Saw an abrasion test video that shows mono tested more back and forth reps across the sandpaper than fluoro.... mono floats fluoro sinks. They fish the same for me.
Stretch is good in a leader especially if using braid mainline.
I use flouro for fly fishing and have never had much of a problem with it over mono. There is a difference between cheap line vs more expensive line, flouro or mono. I’ve caught many a 3-5 lb trout on 4-5lb flouro. One think between the 2 is flouro sinks and mono will float.
I fish panfish and trout, any 4-8# test work's just fine. I usually buy Berkley Vanish or Trilene.
I used to flip with 20lb berkley big game and hardly ever had issues. I went to primarily fluoro because thats what youtube and BASS magazines said I should do 🤣 I went back to mono this year for flipping, too many breaks with fluoro. I could see where fishing a jig on ledges in 20 ft of water could be to deep for the mono stretch, but for a lay down in 4ft of water it works great
Much of this stems from the understanding that very few of the fluorocarbon lines available are *pure* fluorocarbon. Working commercially with some of the earliest available from Japan in the mid-90s, much of it was pure fluoro. Knotting pure fluorocarbon is a nightmare. But it does have considerably less stretch than you've experienced with your testing. The knot difficulty issue was solved by making these fluoro lines hybrids with some other polymer. Obviously, this has the side effect of increasing stretch. (or maybe not obviously, but it does anyway)
The stretch or lack thereof isn't the real feature of fluoro though. Yeah, it's nice, but the important part of fluoro is it's ultra-low refractive index that makes it damn near blend in with the water. Water's refractive index is 1.33. In our testing, we found pure fluoro to have a refractive index of between 1.39 and 1.42. Monofilament is anywhere from 1.52 on up past 1.6.
If you're fishing spooked fish in thin, clear water, the stretch part becomes inconsequential.
Tyler, interesting video but you skipped over the elephant in the room. YES, fluoro generally stretches as much as mono. But unlike fluoro, mono returns to it's original shape. Fluoro does not. Some refer to it as the taffy effect. Unlike mono, fluoro is much more inclined to be deformed or damaged by significant stretch.
This is completely false…..mono looks like a 90s phone chord after it stretches…
@@dualthreatoutdoors are you saying that fluoro line retains it's elasticity? I thoroughly enjoy your vids, but the research clearly shows that while mono stretches and retains it's elasticity, fluoro does not. Check out Salt Strong video(s). One is titled "Could Monofilament be Superior to Fluorocarbon Fishing Line?"
@@nickdigrino4423 I’m just saying it doesn’t have as much memory as monofilament
@@dualthreatoutdoors agree that fluoro is considerably more sensitive, but I find when comparing equal diameter line, fluoro is a bit less plyable (harder, more brittle). Especially in cold weather. Just my experience. And thanks for taking time to respond - I know you are extremely busy.
This stretchathon was quite informative
lol i use fluoro for everything and enjoy watchign dudes lose fish etc have 47 setups while catching 2 fish. i literally hit lakes and rivers with eh same 3 poles i have for decades obviously some replacements. 6lb setup 8lb setup 15lb setup. ps u can even throw topwater on fluoro if you know how. and that stretch helps you not lose fish when they give those big unexpected pulls/runs and your drag isnt set proper. or needs adjusting mid fight
Tyler I'm surprised you didn't cover the biggest scam with fluoro, abrasion resistance. Might be worth testing that component of various fluoro lines vs mono counterparts. I was surprised when I saw the truth.
I don't have any scientific data, but floro had way too many break offs compared to mono. Based on my experience, floro would stretch, but lost a lot of strength,very quickly. Mono would stretch, but maintain much of its strength. I believe the technical term is cyclic fatigue for the floor failure. Even casting heavy baits causes stretch and floor tends to fail faster during multiple stretch cycles much faster than mono. The heavier the bait, the faster the failure in my experience. This was especially true when I was bay fishing and making 800-1000 casts per day.