I (Tomo) ramble on about the importance of critical thinking in martial arts and in general, the problems of Mizner and traditional martial artists alike
The only evidence that would change your mind is hands on experience, I get that. So when you say it's on him to prove it, you're asking him to come to you and do a personal demo basically. This is why people say to go meet him and find out in person, not to have you disprove but to experience first hand. I'm glad you have the position of be willing to change your mind, that is the best first step in my opinion.
No, I need sufficient evidence that supports the claim so I can have a warranted belief in Mizner's ability, hands on experience is only one of the possible roads to that, but it's not by any means the ONLY evidence that would change my mind...best evidence actualy would be the scientific conscensus agreeing that this stuff is possible...or at least Mizner throwing mma guys arround in the same way he throws his students and replicates it multiple times with multiple people...not funded documentaries that can easily be faked, actual live video taken by skeptics and techniques performed on skeptics would be the least that can be done from a person making such extraordinary claims that contradict everything we know about how phisycs work
@@martialgeeks The problem with video for evidence is anyone can just claim it's fake or the people involved were paid to go along with it. It doesn't matter if there is video of him tossing MMA fighters or strongmen, it would never be enough, which is fine actually. The only way to be completely sure is to have hands on experience. And the last few years have shown me scientific consensus just doesn't carry weight and I'd rather not dismiss something based on the opinions of others.
@@funkalopigus well based on what you think about the scientific conscensus then we don't have much further to talk about, appreciate the comment though, peace
To a person like me who has never seen Cherry Blossoms in real life, but only on TV. I cant say that, I need people to prove that they exist or is real. Instead, I must go find a cherry blossom tree for myself to see if it is real. I cant just expect others to prove its existence to me, because that is a subjective interpretation. So....
No, that's way off, we have mountains upon mountains of evidence of cherry blossoms existing, nothing about their existence contradicts with what we understand about reality, it's not even close to being analogous...
I don’t think Sifu Mizner cares wether you believe or not, or anyone else for that matter. Anyone who has touched hands with him has felt his skill and knows first hand is entitled to comment. Anyone else is in no way entitled to an opinion. End of.
You have no authority until you have direct experience, otherwise it is just uninformed conjecture. Go touch hands with him and then let’s here what you have to say
The problem with what you're doing from the outset here is that it's not really critical thinking, on two major levels. And I am not a Mizner follower or that of any magic, as a disclaimer. 1. I was there in the MMA community from the beginning of the term, and here are things which were not taken seriously in MMA at one point or another. Boxing, hammerfists, high kicks, spinning kicks or elbows, working the body, much of kickboxing- especially savate, karate, open bjj guard, sweeps, any kind of Kung fu (and this particular one continues despite several MMA top 5 fighters having had sanda backgrounds), and even Judo. All of these things became taken seriously eventually. There was enormous prejudice in MMA, and even today some of theories of respected MMA coaches dismiss older arts to the point that is self contradictory and conspiratorial -begging the question of how the arts that gave them the moves they now use from kicks to armbars could have been frauds. The second and bigger problem with your reasoning is the assumption that if mizner type taiji was real, it would be useful for combat sports athletes. But football quarterbacks do not make use of baseball pitching and vice versa. They are already adapted to excelling in different scenarios, despite both being athletes that throw balls. Maybe if the way to win a UFC championship was to be able to handle yourself in most surprise, black box, self defense scenarios at a moderate level, while avoiding major health problems, over a period of decades, rather than to peak at an excellent level for ten years and dominate 1 person in a sport, and who cares about the rest of your life and health - then they would. The idea that it would be a worthwhile trade off to train Mizner's way, even if it is real, for someone who has a million other things they MUST get good at if they want to compete in a specific sport, is not well founded. Here's a thought experiment: If there was a rare program that could let the average guy hit has hard as mike tyson, but it would take 20 years of constant practice, would such guys do well in MMA? Or would they lack every other skill, experience and attributes needed to win any match that went longer than 15 seconds, because they traded off those years and thus skills for developing the hardest hook on earth?
Actualy I am, I am using sound epistemology, we are talking about specific claims, such as making a person fall just by touching the tips of their fingers, the only relevant thing here is the burden of proof that hasen't been met...no other talk is realy neccecary.
@@martialgeeks Bruce Lee said once, "I cannot teach you, only to help you to explore yourself, nothing more." Bruce Lee also said, "Don't think, feel; it is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory." You are the finger in this analogy. And those quotes come from a profound and respectable martial artist.
No it's not, it's completely arbitrary, you can put any vague general quote and make it seem roughly analogous to the topic, what's relevant is sound epistemology
Look at onemanstampede his new video your too much busy with thinking just go and train and look less in your books and on your computer screen you waste your time
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Does Adam Mizner do seminars outside of his bubble? It would be so cool to attend one.
Oommgg, Jerry's in our comments🤯🔥
Anyone can attend. Next one is in Bucharest in June. Details on Heaven Man Earth website
Adam could literally just enter a push hands competition at an Arnold's Classic to prove his legitimacy.
Great video. Stand by for the mizner fanboys and their lack of knowledge.
"Red alert, shields up, all hands to battle stations, ready primary phaser banks and load photon torpedoes"
"aye captain"
*Star trek battle music intensifies
Good points you made 😄.
Can't wait for the competition footage 😄.
Thank you! For the comps the organisation said there might potentialy be a livestream of the mma fights, regardless we will film everything
@@martialgeeks YAY 😄!!!
I would love to have a background of what these "Mizner claims" are, but great video nonetheless!
Short story; "I can do chi magic"
@@martialgeeks Goofy. Anyhow, the point in the video can be used in life in general.
@@thecrosader5181 I like to believe that, so thank you!
The only evidence that would change your mind is hands on experience, I get that. So when you say it's on him to prove it, you're asking him to come to you and do a personal demo basically. This is why people say to go meet him and find out in person, not to have you disprove but to experience first hand. I'm glad you have the position of be willing to change your mind, that is the best first step in my opinion.
No, I need sufficient evidence that supports the claim so I can have a warranted belief in Mizner's ability, hands on experience is only one of the possible roads to that, but it's not by any means the ONLY evidence that would change my mind...best evidence actualy would be the scientific conscensus agreeing that this stuff is possible...or at least Mizner throwing mma guys arround in the same way he throws his students and replicates it multiple times with multiple people...not funded documentaries that can easily be faked, actual live video taken by skeptics and techniques performed on skeptics would be the least that can be done from a person making such extraordinary claims that contradict everything we know about how phisycs work
@@martialgeeks
The problem with video for evidence is anyone can just claim it's fake or the people involved were paid to go along with it. It doesn't matter if there is video of him tossing MMA fighters or strongmen, it would never be enough, which is fine actually. The only way to be completely sure is to have hands on experience. And the last few years have shown me scientific consensus just doesn't carry weight and I'd rather not dismiss something based on the opinions of others.
@@funkalopigus well based on what you think about the scientific conscensus then we don't have much further to talk about, appreciate the comment though, peace
To a person like me who has never seen Cherry Blossoms in real life, but only on TV. I cant say that, I need people to prove that they exist or is real. Instead, I must go find a cherry blossom tree for myself to see if it is real. I cant just expect others to prove its existence to me, because that is a subjective interpretation. So....
No, that's way off, we have mountains upon mountains of evidence of cherry blossoms existing, nothing about their existence contradicts with what we understand about reality, it's not even close to being analogous...
I don’t think Sifu Mizner cares wether you believe or not, or anyone else for that matter.
Anyone who has touched hands with him has felt his skill and knows first hand is entitled to comment.
Anyone else is in no way entitled to an opinion. End of.
Yeah, let's remove people's freedom of opinion! Yay🥳
You have no authority until you have direct experience, otherwise it is just uninformed conjecture. Go touch hands with him and then let’s here what you have to say
Well I'm done explaining the DEAFULT position that I hold
That’s because you don’t hold any position
@@milehigh61 I prefer kesa gatame
The problem with what you're doing from the outset here is that it's not really critical thinking, on two major levels. And I am not a Mizner follower or that of any magic, as a disclaimer.
1. I was there in the MMA community from the beginning of the term, and here are things which were not taken seriously in MMA at one point or another.
Boxing, hammerfists, high kicks, spinning kicks or elbows, working the body, much of kickboxing- especially savate, karate, open bjj guard, sweeps, any kind of Kung fu (and this particular one continues despite several MMA top 5 fighters having had sanda backgrounds), and even Judo. All of these things became taken seriously eventually. There was enormous prejudice in MMA, and even today some of theories of respected MMA coaches dismiss older arts to the point that is self contradictory and conspiratorial -begging the question of how the arts that gave them the moves they now use from kicks to armbars could have been frauds.
The second and bigger problem with your reasoning is the assumption that if mizner type taiji was real, it would be useful for combat sports athletes. But football quarterbacks do not make use of baseball pitching and vice versa. They are already adapted to excelling in different scenarios, despite both being athletes that throw balls.
Maybe if the way to win a UFC championship was to be able to handle yourself in most surprise, black box, self defense scenarios at a moderate level, while avoiding major health problems, over a period of decades, rather than to peak at an excellent level for ten years and dominate 1 person in a sport, and who cares about the rest of your life and health - then they would.
The idea that it would be a worthwhile trade off to train Mizner's way, even if it is real, for someone who has a million other things they MUST get good at if they want to compete in a specific sport, is not well founded.
Here's a thought experiment: If there was a rare program that could let the average guy hit has hard as mike tyson, but it would take 20 years of constant practice, would such guys do well in MMA? Or would they lack every other skill, experience and attributes needed to win any match that went longer than 15 seconds, because they traded off those years and thus skills for developing the hardest hook on earth?
Actualy I am, I am using sound epistemology, we are talking about specific claims, such as making a person fall just by touching the tips of their fingers, the only relevant thing here is the burden of proof that hasen't been met...no other talk is realy neccecary.
@@martialgeeks Bruce Lee said once, "I cannot teach you, only to help you to explore yourself, nothing more."
Bruce Lee also said, "Don't think, feel; it is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory."
You are the finger in this analogy. And those quotes come from a profound and respectable martial artist.
@seanhand446 yeah I love Bruce Lee, he's my biggest martial arts inspiration, yet again though it's a non sequitor
@@martialgeeks No it's not a non sequitor, it is completely relevant to the topic here.
No it's not, it's completely arbitrary, you can put any vague general quote and make it seem roughly analogous to the topic, what's relevant is sound epistemology
Look at onemanstampede his new video your too much busy with thinking just go and train and look less in your books and on your computer screen you waste your time
Wait!? Are you serious??!